I was just wondering.......So many people out here looking for jobs complain about Civil Service. My question is, if you are an officer currently with a civil service department, do you think Civil Service is good or bad?
Posted by: mikemac64
Civil service is not the problem with hiring. The problem is the MGL which defines veteran. There are many people who have served who are not veterans under MGL.
The consent decrees are not civil service. They are a result of lawsuits and litigation.
Civil service, without all of the extraniious requirements, would be fine. Now, most of the citites and towns who are party to the consent decrees could have pulled out of them, but have chosen not to.
To truly level the playing field, all preferences must be done away with. If they want to give someone a leg up, do as the MSP does and add a couple of points to the passing score.
Posted by: PearlOnyx
This topic has come up numerous times, so I'll keep it short and sweet. Personally, I'd agree with Mike that the vetran's preference is misapplied, with some people who deserve it not receiving it. However, I would like to see vet's receive points as opposed to automatic placement on the top of the list.
Posted by: mpd61
Hey PearlOnyx,
Sounds like a good idea to me. Next step is establishing criteria for what a vet is.
The legislature sure needs to look at this one CAREFULLY. If not, some category(s) will still get overlooked. I think most will agree it is F*CKED up right now
I think MPA and SPAM need to jump on the appropriate legislative committee, or find at least two(2) state reps/sens who can do something
Posted by: Coops320
This reply is coming from someone who received a 99 and a 100 on his last two civil service tests.....I hate civil service! I cant belive when I received a 99 i was #7 on the hire for my residency preference list and when I received a 100 I was tied for #5. At the top of the list 1 disabled vet who I knew from high school and 3vets right under him. Now the question I have to ask is what makes these vets a better potential police officer than me? I happen to know the disabled vet is is a mule when it comes to intelligence. I have no idea about the other 3 vets. Heck I shouldn't even be saying what I am saying...I am just very frustrated with the system!!! Sorry for everyone who had to read my rant....it did feel good to vent though.
Posted by: JohnBarleycorn
You are right on though. They should throw vets a couple points but not go to the head of the line. Very unfair when someone who got an 82 on the test gets hired over someone who scored a 98.
We all support the troops and they deserve some recognition, but if you can't do well on a test you should not find yourself in the #1 slot. After 9/11 the SP's at my base were ranting and raving about being activated and being pulled away from their city/town Civil Service police jobs. I didn't hear them complaining when they were claiming the preference to get hired in the first place. They were the first ones trying to get out as quick as they could when they were being sent to Afganistan.
Posted by: JP64
If I am not mistaken, MSP only throws Veterans a few points, not the Civil Service head of the line for clapping out the erasers policy.
Posted by: union1
If I can interject here, this post was discussed in depth about a year ago... I hear alot about people disagreeing about the way Vet status is given out, but has anyone actually wrote to the governor or their legislator?
If not, maybe its a good idea to do??
Posted by: ntvs
my question is : is the veterans prefrence given to people who do not enter combat?
Posted by: autox5191
Yes this is from HRD Website. Look at last line of thread, any one thats served in any branch since 8/2/90 is a Vet in Massachusetts eyes
Pursuant to Massachusetts General Law Chapter 4, section 7, clause 43, a veteran is an individual whose (a) last discharge or release from wartime service, as defined below, was under honorable conditions and who (b) served in the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, or Air Force of the United States for not less than ninety days active service, at least one day of which was for wartime service.
Wartime Service Applicable Dates Requirements World War II 9/16/40 - 6/25/50 At least 90 days of active service Korean 6/25/50 - 1/31/55 At least 90 days of active service Vietnam I 2/1/55 - 8/4/64 At least 180 days of active service Vietnam II 8/5/64 - 6/4/76 At least 90 days of active service Lebanese Peace Keeping Force 8/25/82 - withdrawal Receipt of campaign medal for service from Lebanon Grenada Rescue Mission 10/25/83 - 12/15/83 Receipt of campaign medal for service Panamanian Intervention Force 12/20/89 - 1/31/90 Receipt of campaign medal for service Persian Gulf 8/2/90 - Closing date yet to be determined
Posted by: union1
NTVS.... Yes, even people who served at an Airport or even the Quaban after Sept 11 are vets.
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