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DNC in 2004 and Metropolitan Area Dept's Involvement

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One of my Secret Ninja Turtle Jump Suit type guys told me that their will be a call out of members of various local Metropolitan area PD's to assist with the Democratic National Congress AKA "Big Ass Drunken Party for Fat Cat Democrats" in Boston next year.

Sort of like what they do down in Foxboro when tha Patriots play. All different area PD's come in to augment the local PD to provide everything from basic response calls to civil disturbances if need be.

Any other Secret Ninja Turtle Jump Suit type guys or MSP "STOP" Turtles hear any of these rumors floating around? Discuss...........................



Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

I heard something along those lines. I don't give a crap who works it as long as there are details and overtime for me!



Posted by: Capt. Kirk

I am in agreement here ... As long as I get my share of OT and details, I will have no prob with other dept. coming in to help.



Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Quote:
Originally Posted by HousingCop
One of my Secret Ninja Turtle Jump Suit type guys

Any other Secret Ninja Turtle Jump Suit type guys or MSP "STOP" Turtles hear any of these rumors floating around? Discuss...........................





LOL LOL Wise Ass LOL LOL



Posted by:

Thats understandable that you will be working in YOUR city or town, where you are supposed to be. When the DNC is all over will there be any reciprocation from these outside agencies should a detail or OT slot be opened in their city/town. Seems to be a one way street is what I am saying.

Is it better to keep a closed shop or spread the wealth around? You have to look at the big picture here. I am certainly not opposed to outside jurisdictions coming in to help out but make it reciprocal. The way it looks now, there's going to be thin blue lines, literally.

If the WTO in Seattle & DNC in Philly are any indication, we are going to have our hands full of archanists and Free Mumia & Leonard Peltier freaks in our midst. It's going to be a fun week. I may just take a vacation then.

BHCCPD,
I am glad I can amuse you & bring smiles to otherwise cynical peoples all over this board. LOL



Posted by: q5_po

I know that there will be plenty of work to go around in Boston. They are calling for a TON of details around the city.

On a side note. On my part-time job in a small town on the S. Shore, I was asked if I would be interested in doing any work for the DNC. I told them "Hells yeah"!



Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

BHCCPD,
I am glad I can amuse you & bring smiles to otherwise cynical peoples all over this board. LOL[/quote]


Oh I know!!!! some people so tight assed



Posted by: bpd145

Couple points of interest for Boston during the summer of '04'...

Not only will there be work within the city itself, there will be a ton of security details at Greater Boston hotels. The hotelroom supply in the city will not support the thousands expected for the convention. When the All-Star game was held at Fenway in 1999 (pre-Sept. 11 of course), hotels as far away as Lowell to the north and Boxborough to the West were housing attendees and offiicials. Now think about today's security concerns... XYZ Hotel security will not be able to meet the demands.

Also coming to Boston... SailBoston 2004, 2 weeks (?) after the DNC. Expected attendees over 1 week: Million plus. Again this event was last help pre-Sept. 11.

Don't forget that they are attempting to roll the 'Last Call' time back to 4 AM during the DNC for bars in Boston. That too will bring more idiots to the city!



Posted by: Killjoy

As for the MSP, we've already been informed that no requests for vacation or any other time off will be considered for the week of the convention. Also ALL MSP barracks will be on 12 hour shifts for the DNC week. Command had told us that all Troops will be donating a significant amount of manpower to the DNC security. Something on the order of 1800 Troopers will be patrolling the DNC, not including Boston PD. This also does not include IMAT (incident management), communications, SERT (riot), STOP, mounted units, underwater recovery, and air wing. I cannot answer any rumors of calling for more local assistance, but certainly would not rule it out.



Posted by: fscpd907

I believe most if not ALL of the police overtime/detail work in Boston will be MSP, BPD, MBTA only. The DNC comes along with the post 9-11 Military Police aspect for outside/inside building security. The Secret Service, FBI, and Homeland Security units like the Coast Gauard will be used on the federal side. Metro area PD's will get a share when the DNC major players want to go out sight seeing or when they have to lodge outside of Boston. The events held on or near the colleges will have many campus cops willing/ordered to work many hours of OT/Details.



Posted by: JP64

Talked with a few officers from the FPS police a few months ago at a class, and they will be going natiowide for assistance during the DNC.



Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

Quote:
Originally Posted by fscpd907
I believe most if not ALL of the police overtime/detail work in Boston will be MSP, BPD, MBTA only.
Don't forget the Muni's.



Posted by: fscpd907

MY BAD The Muni's will play an important role on the police side of public safety operations at the DNC.



Posted by: fscpd907

DNC MAY FORCE ARTERY CLOSURE

Ellen Silberman

The Boston Herald reported today that the United States Secret Service may order a major portion of the Central Artery closed during the DNC. The closing could last several hours to two days and would likely reroute traffic along surface streets.

At previous political conventions the Secret Service has required all people, M/V, and equipment within 100 yards of the event searched by public safety officals and dogs.

WHAT A NIGHTMARE



Posted by: ROBOCOP1982

Quote:
Secret Service Could Close Artery For Convention
Proximity To FleetCenter Is Security Concern

POSTED: 7:32 a.m. EST October 30, 2003
UPDATED: 7:41 a.m. EST October 30, 2003

BOSTON -- Portions of the Central Artery, including some of the new underground southbound lanes of Interstate 93, could be closed off for security reasons during the Democratic National Convention in July, officials said.

The proximity of I-93 to the FleetCenter is a concern to the Secret Service, spokeswoman Jean Mitchell said. The southbound I-93 underground lanes, scheduled to open by the end of the year, pass just 40 feet from the FleetCenter where the convention to nominate a Democratic presidential candidate will be held from July 26 to 29.

The shutdown could last anywhere from several hours to two days and could potentially cause gridlock in the city as traffic would have to be rerouted onto surface streets.

"We're trying to secure that area for not only the protectees but also for the residents of the city," Mitchell said. "There will be traffic flow concerns. But we know that the people of Boston have to conduct their lives, so we try not to disrupt them to the extent that's possible."

As convention organizers plan for the first national political convention since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, they emphasized that no decisions have been made and the final arrangements will accommodate both commuters and convention-goers.

Julie Burns, executive director of the convention host committee, said she could not comment on security matters, but that no proposals for traffic changes had been offered.

Sean O'Neill, a spokesman for the $13.4 billion highway project known as the Big Dig, said no formal requests to shut down the artery have been made.

But U.S. Rep. Michael Capuano, D-Mass. said that the idea is "on the table." He said he is telling businesses to "consider a snow week during July" in anticipation of any shutdown.

Mitchell said no shutdown of I-93 would be ordered without extensive talks with Boston officials.

Seth Gitell, a spokesman for Mayor Thomas M. Menino, said the mayor could not comment because he had not been told about the possibilities.

Organizers have previously said that trucks and other large vehicles would probably be diverted from the Leonard Zakim-Bunker Hill Bridge before they reach the area around the FleetCenter.

Security officials also plan to shut down the MBTA's North Station stop, adjacent to the arena, and have commuter rail trains stop at temporary platforms before the station.
If this is true and they do end up shutting down RT93, I think the Boston Departments (BPD, Housing PD, Municipal PD, MBTA and MSP) are going to need all the help they can get. If they shut down RT93 for hours, nevermind days, the city and even surrounding communities are going to be COMPLETELY gridlocked.



Posted by: RPD931

Mark the dates...take the Train.



Posted by: Pinkos307

We are bringing in over 100 officers from all over the country. Lots of OT for Federal Officers.



Posted by: ROBOCOP1982

Just thought I would mention, as a side note, an interesting book called Chicago 1968 by David Faber. The book talks about the 1968 Democratic Convention and goes in depth into about thePolice Procedures that were involved, and what many have called the 'Police Riot' that occured. Interesting read, maybe some good lessons.



Posted by: thumper2168

BPD Spec Op's will probably handle all callouts in the Govt. Center area with MSP STOP in reserve at Fleet Center for backup. The Feds (USSS) call the ball, as other people said the alphabet soup will be runneth over, you name it FBI, SS, Park Service, DSS all sorts of Feds will be running around they might even let Customs carry their guns!!! NEMLEC from what it sounds will not be in Boston but might help with the LNG tanks over in Everett, and the Norfolk team will assist in the south of Boston. As someone said the "munis" will be stretched thin as they will used in the hotel zone, and we have to cover a ton of hotels that Boston cant possibly cover.



Posted by: michaelbos

For once, the government guys will get some OT out of something



Posted by: Pinkos307

What I dont understand is why can the MDC Rangers get Details during road work when they don't have any authority and the US Rangers can't work the detail on their own property. Boston PD takes those detail from them.

It is so screwed up



Posted by: PearlOnyx

Sounds like a grievence to me...where is thine union steward?



Posted by: ROBOCOP1982

Just a thought...but perhaps this should be moved to 'Shop Talk'



Posted by: ROBOCOP1982

Quote:
Convention seeks out-of-town police
By Rick Klein, Globe Staff, 11/14/2003

Organizers of next summer's Democratic National Convention in Boston are lining up security help from police departments as far away as New Bedford and are considering asking the National Guard to lend a hand during the event.

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Police and convention officials say they don't know how many officers they need, and police departments have not yet made specific commitments. But the president of the Boston Police Patrolmen's Association said planners could be trying to find as many as 2,000 more officers, about the size of the Boston Police Department's entire sworn force.

The officers are being recruited while the city is locked in tense negotiations with its main police union. Officials of the patrolmen's union are threatening to embarrass Mayor Thomas M. Menino by protesting during the convention if their contract isn't settled.

But the event represents a huge windfall of convention-financed overtime and special detail work that Boston officers will not want to cede to large numbers of police from other places. And out-of-town police would be less likely to sympathize with Boston-led protests. Both factors give the city leverage in dealing with the Boston police union, political observers say.

City and union officials downplayed any connection between labor negotiations and the planned use of officers from other departments. Menino said organizers have always planned to use officers from other agencies along with Boston police in the first national political convention to be held after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"It's not because of labor issues," the mayor said. "In events like this, like the Super Bowl, there's always a call to other agencies to help supplement the security. You just need extra police and security."

But others said the involvement of officers from outside Boston sends a message to the Boston police union. If members of the police union staged demonstrations at the convention, they might confront officers wearing the uniforms of other agencies or the National Guard instead of their own, said Lou DiNatale, a political science professor at the University of Massachusetts at Boston.

"It's a great move," DiNatale said. "The Boston police union is the most volatile, unpredictable player in the game. It sends a message to the Boston police, that it won't be a Boston cop allowing other Boston cops to disrupt an event."

Leaning heavily on State Police, the National Guard, and officers from other police departments can minimize the chance of disruption if the union contract remains unsigned in July, DiNatale said.

DiNatale said local Democrats know well the ability of police unions to capture the spotlight at big political moments. Pickets by the Springfield police union kept delegates to the 1990 state Democratic convention outside in blazing heat for hours. In 1988, the Boston Police Patrolmen's Association embarrassed Governor Michael S. Dukakis on his home turf by endorsing his presidential rival, Vice President George H.W. Bush.

Thomas J. Nee, president of the 1,400-member patrolmen's association, said he is concerned that much of the responsibility, along with financial benefits like overtime and police details, could go to officers from outside Boston. He said the union has been largely uninvolved in convention planning to this point. Still, Nee said the involvement of other police agencies is probably necessary. "We're understaffed in the city, and now they're bringing in an international event here," he said. "It's a concern, but we're looking to work with them."

Details like the rate that out-of-town officers would be paid and whether officers would receive overtime for working the convention after a regular shift in their home towns are yet to be hammered out, convention officials said.

Boston police officials hosted a meeting of area police departments over the summer, alerting them to the possibility help would be needed during the convention. It is not clear yet which agencies will participate, but officials in New Bedford and Quincy said they have been contacted, and the state and MBTA police forces are also expected to be involved in security at the convention.

Mariellen Burns, a Boston police spokeswoman, said overtime and detail opportunities will abound for all officers, even if out-of-town police are involved. With the Boston department charged with keeping the whole city safe at the same time that it deals with 35,000 visitors in town for the convention, plenty of extra help will be needed in directing traffic and keeping the area around the FleetCenter safe.

"There'll be plenty to do there for all our people and then some," Burns said. "We are talking to other jurisdictions, but we can't discuss any of those plans, because we don't have any firm commitments at this time."

Stephanie Cutter, a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Convention, said that at this stage, the only formal arrangements with agencies other than the Boston Police Department involve security at convention hotels that are located outside the city. But she said other departments would probably be involved at the convention site, just as they have been in previous conventions in other cities.

Lieutenant John Dougan of the Quincy Police Department said his chief is waiting for final plans to be developed before committing officers. "We were contacted, and we're waiting to hear back from Boston about what exactly they need," Dougan said.

Rick Klein can be reached at rklein@globe.com.


It appears that this is going to be a more complicated issue than previously expected......





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