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Posted by: CJIS

I was asked an interesting Question today. "What would/do you prefer cruiser to yourself or shared with a partner?" It got me thinking for a bit and truthfully I found it not so simple to answer. So of course I used the good old fashion "Well It depends."

Sometimes it's nice to have a partner like when you are going into a sticky situation. It's nice to have someone covering your butt. It's also nice sometimes to have someone to talk to on one of those shifts that seems to never end and there is absolutly nothing to respond to.

Then on the other hand I thought about the downs it can sometimes have too. Like those times when you want space to yourself or are not in the mood for chatting. Other times when the weather outside is nasty and you don't feel like standing out in the rain/snow/cold fumbling to get gear out in the back, when it could simply be beside you in the passenger seat.

Anyway before I go into a tanget I would like to see what some of you folks feel.



Posted by: USMCMP5811

All to my self......



Posted by: bap27

Like to have the car to myself and if I feel like chatting then I can choose to meet up.



Posted by: Gil

My department did away with two man cars a long time ago and I don't think that there is one officer that would want to see it go back to the way it was. Now with the price of gas going through the roof some are woried that they may just bring back the two man cars to save a few bucks. I'm with bap27 on this one, if I feel like talking I can just meet up, head to the station or pick up the phone.



Posted by: Opie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil
My department did away with two man cars a long time ago and I don't think that there is one officer that would want to see it go back to the way it was. Now with the price of gas going through the roof some are woried that they may just bring back the two man cars to save a few bucks. I'm with bap27 on this one, if I feel like talking I can just meet up, head to the station or pick up the phone.




Posted by: msw

If I had to guess, I would say that as far as preferences go....... (a) cops working quieter, low crime rate areas might tend towards the one-man car preference; and (b) those working the high crime rate, gang and drug infested inner city areas would probably prefer two man cars.

But I will also say that wherever you work, a two man car is safer than a one man car. Period.



Posted by: Delta784

If you like your partner, it can be a lot of fun. If you don't, it makes for a VERY long night.



Posted by: mikemac64

Was in a two man car for w hole when I was new. It was fun because I was and am still friends with the guy. I imagine it can make for a long night if you aren't in sync.



Posted by: K9Vinny

A partner in the passenger seat can get cramp up your leg space when you are trying to catch some quality zzz's on the mid shift.



Posted by: Killjoy

Statistically, two man cars are no safer than one man cars....I think officers alone tend to be more alert and cautious. Two man cars can sometimes sucker officer's into thinking they have instant backup, when in fact their partner is off paying attention to something else.



Posted by: sempergumby

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killjoy
Statistically, two man cars are no safer than one man cars....I think officers alone tend to be more alert and cautious. Two man cars can sometimes sucker officer's into thinking they have instant backup, when in fact their partner is off paying attention to something else.
I was involved with a crack head that attempted, and did hit myself and my partner two times before we opened fire. After the incident My partner stated he never thought to call back because I was already there.

We usually work 1 man cars, but the administration in its grand wisdom has us duobling up on shifts with a full roster.
2 man cars can deffinatly give you the "instant back up illusion."

" when in doubt whip it out "



Posted by: msw

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killjoy
Statistically, two man cars are no safer than one man cars....I think officers alone tend to be more alert and cautious. Two man cars can sometimes sucker officer's into thinking they have instant backup, when in fact their partner is off paying attention to something else.
I'd be curious for someone to quote the exact study or statistics this idea comes from. Common sense tells me it is BS. But even if it WAS true, statistically speaking, I think it'd be because the style of policing done by those in two-man cars is, generally, more aggressive and pro-active than the style of policing done by those in a one man car. If you have a partner, you can do more police work, safer and quicker; but you also will tend to - statistically - stick your nose into more situations than you probably would have in a one man car. Simple as that.



Posted by: popo

I worked two man and single. Love single, more initiative and pro-activity then driving around with a slug with no stree smarts.



Posted by: mpd61

popo,

You'd change your tune if Heather Locklear was your partner you neanderthal jack-booted-thug you!



Posted by: HOTLUNCH

I think it's how you train. I worked/work with a partner and I knew where his head was at all times on a carstop, clearing a corner, D/V call etc because we were trained to work with a partner. If you train solo then you work better solo, if you train doubled up it would stand to reason that you work better with a partner.
I have also worked units that roll four to a car here in NYC but it was for aggressive enforcement of high crime areas where 4 perps run four different directions.
Either way, whether you like it solo or partnered up, two sets of eyes/hands are always better than one.



Posted by: msw

Quote:
Originally Posted by sempergumby
2 man cars can deffinatly give you the "instant back up illusion."
The second man in a two man car IS instant back-up; it is not an illusion. However, the second guy does not give you both a big red S on your chest; nor is the second guy a replacement for poor tactics or faulty judgement.

If you work a quiet, low crime area, and are prone to a less agressive style of policing, then maybe a one man car is fine. But you ask any cop working a gang infested high crime neighborhood, where aggressive policing is the norm and/or culture of the Dept, Station, or Precinct in question, and he'll tell you: gimme a partner, and I'll get way more police work done, safer and quicker.



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by msw
But you ask any cop working a gang infested high crime neighborhood, where aggressive policing is the norm and/or culture of the Dept, Station, or Precinct in question, and he'll tell you: gimme a partner, and I'll get way more police work done, safer and quicker.
It all depends on the partner. If the second officer is in-tune with his partner, then great! If he's a slug that's paired with the other officer out of necessity, then he becomes a liability.

I've done both....as I said, if you like your partner, it can be a lot of fun, as well as being productive. If you don't like your partner........



Posted by: kokid

My department does both, however I prefer to be alone. Riding solo allows you to keep your attention focused on the job. With a partner, although good if you get in a jam, you can sometimes get too caught up with workplace rumors, gossip, etc and not see some blatant things you would've otherwise. Also, if he/she is not in the mood to work and you are, it can make for a long tour.



Posted by: LA Copper

I think I have to agree with MSW, he's pretty right on. Although just because there are two officers in the car doesn't mean you won't need other back up. Out here in L.A., the overwhelming majority of our patrol cars have two officers (just like in Adam-12). In most divisions it's just to dangerous not to. (Last year we had 43 ambushes of officers with firearms.)

That being said, it's still up to both officers to have your sh-t together. I don't think it really matters how conscientious one officer is, if there's more than one bad guy, it makes for a potentially dangerous (and deadly) situation. Just look at the videotape from the early 90's where Constable Darryl Lunsford in Texas was attacked by three much smaller men during a traffic stop. Lunsford always liked to work alone. Unfortunately, it cost him his life.

If one of the partner officers is a slug or is not motivated, than it's up to the other partner to motivate them. If that doesn't work, then the slug's immediate supervisor needs to step in and motivate him. Again, that being said, even a slug can be better than nothing. Sometimes all the bad guys need to see is that there is more than one officer there and that alone may stop them from some type of attack on the officers.

As long as the guys you work with all want to be there and do the right thing, having a partner is always a good thing. It's kind of a personal integrity thing. If the guy doesn't want to be there, than he has no business working the field. Tell him to work the desk instead.



Posted by: Pacman

I've worked in a city where all the cruisers are single officer. Yet on approx. two years worth of plain clothes assignments I had two excellent partners. I also had one slug. With my two partners I had tactical, practical, and immediate backup. With the Slug I had someone who'd rather pay bills than catch a bad guy. Those three days were the worst LMAO!



Posted by: BPD148

To save on gas my department has instituted a rule that we are only allowed four cruisers at any given time. We usually end up with only one maybe two cruisers with two men in them but because we have three probation officers their are nights we have four 2 men cars. I have no problem with working with a partner because it means i have someone to write all the reports.



Posted by: meeko1

Had to ride with a guy for awhile.... This guy lived and breathed weight lifting... Took all kinds of supplements.... This guy farted every 2 seconds... I had to breathe that air for a long time.. MY VOTE ..... SINGLE MAN CAR



Posted by: CJIS

Quote:
Originally Posted by meeko1
Had to ride with a guy for awhile.... This guy lived and breathed weight lifting... Took all kinds of supplements.... This guy farted every 2 seconds... I had to breathe that air for a long time.. MY VOTE ..... SINGLE MAN CAR
Ahh yes the partner... I remember shift with a guy that had some gassy food for lunch. It was pouring out so windows were not an option. It was a pretty a $hitty shift.



Posted by: massirishcop

I feel like it could go either way..............sometimes it would be nice other times.......you just want to be left alone.it is a really tough question.



Posted by: msw

Quote:
Originally Posted by npd_323
I remember shift with a guy that had some gassy food for lunch. It was pouring out so windows were not an option. It was a pretty a $hitty shift.
The really manly among us pride ourselves on NOT rolling down the windows when such happenstances occur. Only sissies insist on rolling down the window when your partner lets go with gaseous emmisions to rival the olfactory characteristics of a noxious chemical factory, or overflowing sewage treatment plant.



Posted by: CJIS

Quote:
Originally Posted by msw
The really manly among us pride ourselves on NOT rolling down the windows when such happenstances occur. Only sissies insist on rolling down the window when your partner lets go with gaseous emmisions to rival the olfactory characteristics of a noxious chemical factory, or overflowing sewage treatment plant.


TRUST ME! You would want to roll down the window. It was bad We got back to the station and he went to do his business... 2 min later the sergeant left his office do to the stench.



Posted by: USMCMP5811

Quote:
Originally Posted by npd_323
TRUST ME! You would want to roll down the window. It was bad We got back to the station and he went to do his business... 2 min later the sergeant left his office do to the stench.
Was the crapper in the next stall his office?



Posted by: CJIS

Quote:
Originally Posted by USMCMP5811
Was the crapper in the next stall his office?
No... my partner thought it would be hysterical if he used the sargents "private" bathroom, which happens to be connected to the office. When the deed was done, the sargent got pissed off and started yelling and throwing stuff at my partner



Posted by: USMCMP5811

Now that IS Funny right there, I don't care who you are.....



Posted by: Deuce

Quote:
Originally Posted by meeko1
Had to ride with a guy for awhile.... This guy lived and breathed weight lifting... Took all kinds of supplements.... This guy farted every 2 seconds... I had to breathe that air for a long time.. MY VOTE ..... SINGLE MAN CAR
Does this smelly individual currently drive a red Dodge PU?? P-U.. How appropriate... I'm with you, single man cars.. When they(the cruisers) work that is...



Posted by: Muggsy09

Depends on the person, there is only like 3 people on my dept. that I would consider having in the same cruiser as me. The rest I'd rather walk.



Posted by: LA Copper

Maybe it's me but I think many of the responses here are missing the most important point of having another officer in the patrol car with you. While I understand that sometimes there are personality clashes and such, the whole purpose of having someone riding with you is to help make sure you go home at the end of your shift. After all, two heads (and two guns) are better than one, especially when dealing with bad guys.

I don't think it makes a difference if you work in a big department like mine (9000 officers) or a small department in New England, anything can happen anywhere. We should always be thinking that officer safety is paramount.

Just my opinion after 17 years on the streets, both with and without a partner.



Posted by: BufordTJustice

Quote:
Originally Posted by npd_323
I was asked an interesting Question today. "What would/do you prefer cruiser to yourself or shared with a partner?" It got me thinking for a bit and truthfully I found it not so simple to answer. So of course I used the good old fashion "Well It depends."

Sometimes it's nice to have a partner like when you are going into a sticky situation. It's nice to have someone covering your butt. It's also nice sometimes to have someone to talk to on one of those shifts that seems to never end and there is absolutly nothing to respond to.

Then on the other hand I thought about the downs it can sometimes have too. Like those times when you want space to yourself or are not in the mood for chatting. Other times when the weather outside is nasty and you don't feel like standing out in the rain/snow/cold fumbling to get gear out in the back, when it could simply be beside you in the passenger seat.

Anyway before I go into a tanget I would like to see what some of you folks feel.
It depends on whether or not my partner will taze me if I dont stop for a coffee.



Posted by: no$.10

Here's what I remember about two-man cars:

"Stop scratching your balls"
"I am not eating at McDonald's"
"You can't stop someone just for having an out-of-state registration"
"No, I do not want to talk to your wife"
"No, I will not sit and wait outside your girlfriend's house."
"Well, I DO have to go to the bathroom"
"No, I gave you my last pen yesterday."
"I am broke, too"

These are all things I distinctly remember saying, hand to G.



Posted by: Clouseau

No $, Your'e right on the $.



Posted by: Clouseau

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clouseau
No $, Your'e right on the $.
You're.

Gill, the edit button disappears after a while?



Posted by: Irishlacop

I have to agree with LA COPPER that having two officers per car is a lot better than just one. I too have had the opportunity to work both one man, two man and sometimes (three man units - gang units). Working a one man unit some nights can get pretty boring even if you are working a city like Los Angeles. Even on some nights where I was working a two man unit and we get into a foot pursuit with some knuckleheads many a times we get split up and you get into it with the suspect, it seems like eternity waiting for your partner.

Imagine a one man unit waiting for back up? and I have had that also....it ain't fun.

Leave your egos and opinions at the station and do the job. I would rather be annoyed by my partner..................than dead.



Posted by: SGT_GRUNT_USMC

Here at LVMPD we roll one man units with the exception of Field Training units and on occasion during directed patrol activities.The Gang Unit rolls 2 officer units.Ironically, all Gang Unit Officers have take home rides.



Posted by: Killjoy

"Troopers ride alone"
nuff said!



Posted by: j809

Solo is the way I like it.



Posted by: mpd61

Quote:
Originally Posted by LA Copper
or a small department in New England, anything can happen anywhere. We should always be thinking that officer safety is paramount.

.
Ya that's why my "small department in New England" chief says No two man cars even when were down to one cruiser




Posted by: Mitpo62

Uno!



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killjoy
"Troopers ride alone"
nuff said!
NYPD cops in the South Bronx ride two to a car.

What's your point?



Posted by: LA Copper

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd61
Ya that's why my "small department in New England" chief says No two man cars even when were down to one cruiser
Send him out my way and I'll show him why what he's doing is wrong and unsafe. Or maybe if he had to work a black and white in today's society, he wouldn't be so quick to send you guys out alone.



Posted by: Mr.90/24

In my opinion two officers to a cruiser is only practical in certain situations. For example, in a specialized unit where you a rolling in a high crime area then I would say that two or more is appropriate. For all other situations one officer per cruiser. Numerous studies have been conducted on this and studies have found that a police department is wasting resources, plus you and I both know..when riding with another officer, you're talking, joking, etc. While driving around you miss things when with other officer(s). When you're alone you're looking around, watching people, picking up the small things that make you question a person or stop a MV for criminal activity.



Posted by: LA Copper

After reading all of these posts, I guess the moral of the story is: Officers on the east coast think a bit differently than officers on the west coast when it comes to this kind of thing.

And I still have to say that two is far better than one!



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by LA Copper
And I still have to say that two is far better than one!
Safety-wise, I totally agree. However, as I'm sure you know, if you don't like your partner, it makes for a looooong shift!!



Posted by: dave7336

Quote:
Originally Posted by npd_323
TRUST ME! You would want to roll down the window. It was bad We got back to the station and he went to do his business... 2 min later the sergeant left his office do to the stench.
get back at him by eating as much brocolli as you possibly can before the shift starts and then do all the driving, but make sure you hit the window lock button so he can't put the window down.....



Posted by: LA Copper

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.90/24
In my opinion two officers to a cruiser is only practical in certain situations. For example, in a specialized unit where you a rolling in a high crime area then I would say that two or more is appropriate. For all other situations one officer per cruiser. Numerous studies have been conducted on this and studies have found that a police department is wasting resources, plus you and I both know..when riding with another officer, you're talking, joking, etc. While driving around you miss things when with other officer(s). When you're alone you're looking around, watching people, picking up the small things that make you question a person or stop a MV for criminal activity.
In the last two months we've had several incidents that if the officers were alone, he/she would be dead right now. In particular:

An officer chased a robbery suspect on foot and was shot twice, paralyzing her for the rest of her life. Her PARTNER shot and killed the suspect, then saved her life by applying first aid which slowed the bleeding so that she didn't bleed to death until paramedics arrived.

The second, just a few days ago, happened on a "routine" traffic stop. As soon as the suspects' car stopped, the passenger came out with an AK-47 and immediately began firing on the patrol car. The passenger officer (a probationer) was shot three times, twice in the abdomen and once in the wrist, nearly severing his hand. The patrol car was hit with about 15 rounds from the suspect. The PARTNER officer was able to return fire and strike the suspect, putting him down. The probationer would be dead if it wasn't for his PARTNER.

As far as partners talking to each other while riding together, four eyes are better than two, plus you can keep each other awake after you both worked an earlier detail before coming to work, especially on the graveyard shift. Besides, nowadays, the guys riding alone are yacking on their cellphones instead of to their partner.

The moral is, We all need to go home at EOW and with a partner, the chances of that happening are much better. If your partner is not mature enough to ride in the car with you, tell him or her to grow up or get into another line of work.



Posted by: lpwpd722

In rural towns, with lower population one officer per cruiser seems to work better. There could be an incident on one side of town and the cruiser could be on the opposite side with two officers in it. This is just speaking as a dispatcher. I guess as far a safety goes in a bigger town or city two would be the more ideal situation.



Posted by: LA Copper

For the officer, two is the way to go. For the citizen and dispatcher, one seems preferable, although the officer should have preference.

After being involved in many situations where we "got into it" with suspects, my opinion of having a partner hasn't changed. It doesn't really matter if it's a big city like Los Angeles or a small town in Mass, the sh-t can still hit the fan. Sure it will happen more often in the big city but all it takes is one time, even in the small town!

As a sergeant, I ride by myself. I don't do nearly as much pro-active police work on the streets now because that's not my job as a supervisor, but I still do some. When I have, I certainly wish I had a partner each time, even though as soon as I got on the radio, the cavalry was there within a minute.

Not counting the partner that farts, is moody, drinks too much coffee, etc., those of you who really think that being by yourself is "better," feel free to come out my way and I'll demonstrate why it isn't. If you can't make it out west, when I come back east next, we can meet up and go over it that way. Feel free to PM me if you're interested. Be safe out there!



Posted by: CC2734

I like riding by myself.....but I definitely enjoy meeting up with someone on those slow slow slow nights.

I also like the manpower of a two man car.....you have instant backup (at least an extra gun)



Posted by: 209

I agree with CC2734. I enjoy being on my own but there are always those times where 2 is better. Of course 2 in the crusier especially young guys can me hell for those on the road if they always ride alone.



Posted by: Gil

I think a mix of the two would be good, two man impact cars and solo beat cars. See who wants a partner, if no takers it goes by seniority. (of course the seniority thing wouldn't mean squat in my department)



Posted by: andy0921

The drug/violence team guys ride together and regular beat cars ride alone.



Posted by: csauce777

Can I weigh in on this even though 8 out of 10 times, I'm the ONLY officer working?? ...try those midnights, 11-7 alone ...z z z z z z z z z. Thank god for Sirius Satellite Radio, its the only thing that keeps me from driving into a tree out of boredom.



Posted by: andy0921

Personally, I'm an XM guy.



Posted by: SUOKKO

It is too small for 2 people. Between the radios, the MDT, Cruiser Bag, cover, ticket book, clipboard, etc. There is no room for another person. I would rather have the car to myself!



Posted by: LA Copper

Quote:
Originally Posted by SUOKKO
It is too small for 2 people. Between the radios, the MDT, Cruiser Bag, cover, ticket book, clipboard, etc. There is no room for another person. I would rather have the car to myself!
We carry the same stuff you guys do, plus the shotgun, rifle, beanbag shotgun, Taser and Stopsticks, and we're still able to have a partner...



Posted by: 1moreftrleo

One of my CJ professors always used to say the reason there's two cops in a cruiser is because one can lie and the other can testify to it.

He was a lawyer, need i say more?



Posted by: LA Copper

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1moreftrleo
One of my CJ professors always used to say the reason there's two cops in a cruiser is because one can lie and the other can testify to it.

He was a lawyer, need i say more?
Must of been Alan Dersherweitz (sp?)



Posted by: wgciv

I both ride alone and ride with a partner and I enjoy both. My partner and I are in different groups so we work 3 days together each rotation. Sometimes we ride together all three days but often we ride together 2 out of the three. It gives us the best of both worlds. On those days we ride together we are extremely proactive and aggressive. Also, in my city the 2 man cars are dispatched to some of the better calls: large parties, man with gun, shootings, a&b's, DV's, etc. The DV's are great for court time. We also enjoy riding alone and by mixing it up it prevents us from becoming complacent. We don't count on that instant back up being there all the time. We don't get sick of each other either. If my partner is not in then I absolutely prefer to ride alone. Not only does it make for a long night if you dont get along with the other person, but if you are not in sync on a call it can be dangerous. It also makes doing the job more difficult. If you are handling a call you might be going one direction while your partner is going another. Makes us look incompetant. My regular partner and I are always on the same page and we handle calls the same way.



Posted by: 263FPD

Me,myself, and I



Posted by: sempergumby

We are still doubled up due to the GAS CRISIS. LOLOLOLOOLOLOLL due to the Admin being petty...........



Posted by: Robert35

Rapids/Transports have two per Car/Wagon. But most officers want the Freedom to be alone.



Posted by: pnpsblows

how many departments can actually afford to put two officers in a car together...



Posted by: LA Copper

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert35 View Post
Rapids/Transports have two per Car/Wagon. But most officers want the Freedom to be alone.
I understand why an officer would sometimes want to have the freedom to be on their own, however, it's hard (and unsafe) to do police work when you're solo. It's much safer to have a partner.

For the 12 years I was a patrol officer I always had a partner. The last 7 years as a patrol sergeant I've been alone so I've experienced it both ways. Having a partner is the better way to go.



Posted by: Hb13

When you look at problably 65-80% of the PD's in this state they don't have the money/manpower to ever run 2 man cars or 2 per shift. That really had nothing to do with the question. nevermind



Posted by: HPD36

My dept would run two guys on a midnight shift and double them up due to gas prices. We only had one cruiser on the road for the whole shift and were directed to keep it under 30 miles per shift or explain why we went over. It seamed like the administration cared more about saving a few dollars then the safety of the town or it's officers.



Posted by: 5-0

I would say that I prefer to ride with a partner a majority of the time due to any one of the reasons that LA mentioned. I do understand the frustration of having a crappy co-pilot though. I voted for 'sometimes'.



Posted by: Mitpo62

I say nay. The last thing I need is another guy sitting next to me keeping me up all night.





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