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The Triumphant Return

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Posted by: THE RP

First let me say I am new to this whole posting chatting thing here but I have been around for a while.....
I have noticed how much we all appreciate the support that our area Sherriffs have been giving us over the years....let's count together....expansion of the facilities to house more dirtbags so judges can't use that excuse every day in our district courts. Oh they haven't had the money to add bed space, thats right......The building of the regional lockups...Oh thats right no money for that either......Making their hack employees pretend to be real police,not guards and paper servers like they really are...Oh yeah they are going add more cops to the streets...right just what we need...yahoo hacks who couldn't score or pass a Psych test but mom and dad had some cash come election time....It's all been said before so I will get to the point..

This all just came to mind with me once again upon seeing the NECN report that is continuously running all day today, of our local hackmaster returning from Louisiana....a finely orchestrated piece of propaganda on his behalf....


I guess all that grant money he fraudulently acquired finally went towards a noble endeavour...I am sure some of the federal money he swiped for all of his toys, which collect dust 99.9% of the time (other than parades), originally came from the gulf states. That noble endeavour to me is that at least one NOPD guy was able to take a steaming dump in that Winnebago's hopper...

Enough to make you want to throw up...especially after talking with some friends down there on the job who were under the impression that these guys were actually Real Police. What a travesty.....

To all you want-to-be hacks I say..You won't ever work my streets. You won't ever take my calls, You won't ever see the things I see and you will never be able to look yourself in the mirror and know that you are Real Police.....walk the tier and we will be willing to buy you a beer...keep playing dress up and the day will come when someone calls your bluff and you will be holding the bag...not your hack boss. He will just print more bumper stickers....You pulled one over on the brothers down south because they would have been willing to take help from the Polish Navy after what they had been through but just so you know...we all know the truth.....and you should be ashamed of taking advantage of things so your a-hole boss gets face time in front of the cameras.



Posted by: Delta784

Wow.


Posted by: THE RP

Sorry About This Being In The Wrong Forum..maybe The Administration..i Mean Administrator Can Move This Over To The "sherriffs" Forum...yes This Is Beating A Dead Horse..i Once Again Apologize To All About That. Except For Those Who Take Any Exception To It Whatsoever.because If You Take Exception Chances Are You Are One Of Them..and If You Dont You Probably Understand The Outrage That Brought Me There..


Posted by: Wolfman

Interesting use of the caps key. I'll try to move the topic, everyone else put your flame suits on and buckle up, the ride is about to begin...


Posted by: Clouseau

Grand welcome for Big Easy peacekeepers
By Margaret Smith/ Billerica Minuteman
Saturday, October 1, 2005

BILLERICA - They returned yesterday like conquering heroes.
A convoy of trucks and vans from the Middlesex Sheriff's Office arrived home to loud music and applause after helping keep the peace in two hurricane-ravaged parishes near New Orleans.
Sheriff James DiPaola headed into the hurricane zone with 20 deputies and four reserve deputies a month ago. They remained until peace returned to the region.
``I just could not stand there as a fellow American,'' said DiPaola, who whisked his team into the sunken city.
DiPaola recalled how the group found lodging at the First Baptist Church in the town of Franklinton in Washington Parish, where they shaved and showered with a garden hose and slept on the floor. They had to shower outdoors, at night, and keep an eye out for anyone looking, he said, drawing a chuckle from the crowd.
DiPaola's team was welcomed home by family and friends near the Billerica House of Corrections.
Andrew Freker of Chelmsford was soon in the arms of his wife, Nancy, who wiped tears from her eyes.
Freker, an administrator at the jail, took a moment to talk of his experiences in Louisiana, where he said he and other deputies helped to reinforce curfews and roadblocks as well as patrol neighborhoods for looters or other lawbreakers.
``I've never seen a storm of that magnitude, and I hope I never do,'' he said.


Posted by: 2-Delta

"Pulled one over on the brothers"? wtf are you talking about. anyone else confused? I think we all know some "hacks" in the SD, but we also know some in the PD. I dont know what county your in, but Ive met more upstanding deputies then I have sparkys, and all deputies (not CO's) must complete the reserve academy, the same academy that lets special PO's do details and cruiser shifts in my town and your town. Some of the actual Sheriff's might be f'd up, but I dont think we need another thread that blankets every single deputy.


Posted by: popo

Well said "The RP", it's about time more cops grow some balls and stick it to this sheriff hacks. God damn it, I can't stand them.


Posted by: THE RP

I understand what you are saying 2-delta about blanketing all of the deputies...however let's face it...those departments are full of hacks and most of the guys that the sherriffs are trying to line up to take your job are hacks...that gets them votes and money for their campaigns....where's the competitive testing? Where's the defintive process for hiring ? I have friends that work that job, work the tiers, or have worked the tiers and they are the first ones to tell about how things really work...quite frankly I don't want them backing me up....you don't know what you will get. It's not worth the risk on the street or in court....The reserve academy ? What the F good is that? The part timers you might work with are at least known to you and to your bosses right, you have some quality control right ? What control do you have over some reserve certified deputy from who knows where coming in to back you up. Some are good hard working guys no doubt. But those are the guys who have been there for years babysitting the trash we send to them. Not the guys who have aspirations to grab a cruiser shift in your town so your boss doesn't have to pay some overtime to one of your brother officers...
Also keep in mind that like our good Sherriff off of Route3, these hack masters would be nothing without their minions....if they grab onto the coat tails they are perpetrating the fraud just like him....These Sherriffs have rallied groups of followers who think this is the side door into being a street cop. Guys who couldn't score, couldn't pass backgrounds or just didn't have the hunger to fight for a real job for years....This is not what I want backing me up....It's a shame that some good guys are going to get lumped into this but thats too bad. The good guys know it's a sham but unless they do something they risk being looked at as the problem....
As far as the guys who went to this disaster with the Sherriff..How many of them, when speaking with other cops down there, actually told them that they have never worked the street or that they were simply jail guards...because thats what they are....guards...not police...look at the definitions. Big Difference...and also look at the description of the county Sherriff as detailed in Mass. Law...There's a phrase to keep an eye out for "Care and Custody of Prisoners." Thats what those departments are for....Sorry unlike many places around the country we don't have unincorporated land that has a populus contained on or in it that needs to be protected. So the Sherriffs do not need patrol certified (full or part time) deputies. They do not need fleets of brand new cruisers only to rival the parking lots of the Ford assembly plants...They do not need urban assault vehicles and Mobile Commmand vehicles that rival Nasa launch control centers....if there is a problem at the jail they don't need to travel anywhere, they should already be there not mobile..common sense right...

It's time that the cops, the real cops, stand together and put it on them...enough playing, it's becoming embarrassing for us all....the above article mentions some reserve deputies that also went on the little escapade....we all know what it takes to become a reserve deputy right...those special little badges...Oh thats right they were going to "reform" that process of issuing those badges....what a joke.....I am sure they were the first guys to tell the cops down south that they were really truck drivers or plumbers and they were with his eminence the Sherriff because they used to play wiffle ball together when they were growing up...yeah thats quality...

Just don't complain when they take your job...send them some money and get yourself one of those little badges and join the party....But it isn't going to happen here, with me or with my coworkers....There is a big NOT WELCOME sign here for them and thats the way it will stay..SORRY go elsewhere and play toy soldier...

It's friggin nauseating.....


Posted by: clarkiek

One word for RP is "Jealous" and learn how to spell Sheriff

I am proud of the Middlesex Sheriff's that gave up there time to go to LO and help out.
They have a Department BIG enough and equiped enough to handle most anything in the Massachusetts as well as obviously anything in the USA. So give credit where credit is due. Obviously you were bound to your little town that when you patrol you have to turn around because the town line comes up so quickly. Don't be upset be happy that a great Sheriff's Office in Massachusetts came through to help there brothers in LO while you patroled your town RP


Posted by: mpd61



Showers with a "garden hose" and "reserve deputies" Oh what a sacrifice, how moving. When is this guy taking a trip over to Iraq or Afghanistan?



Posted by: THE RP

Well Clarkiek you told me huh? My little town? Ha ha ha.....

You obviously don't get it...any real police get it.....you have no idea what its all about pal....

Keep holding signs at the polls bud maybe you can go for the next magical mystery tour the High Sheriff has. He loves guys like you......

jealousy no...disgust yes....We all know how they got most of that equipment...fraudulent grants...I would rather have nothing knowing that I had to scam someone to get it...

oh thanks for the spelling tip...Sheriff right...like LA County Sheriff, Dade County Sheriff, Lee County Sheriff, Pierce County Sheriff, Kings County Sheriff etc etc...no wonder I got confused....real police..real street cops..real jobs...wow, go figure....

Based on all the previous posts and the threads...this is a total dead horse..its all been said, these are the topics that clearly separate and define...you have clearly chosen to ignore a complete disregard for the integrity, honor and tradition of this profession. So either you have a stake in it or you just want to take the easy road....crystal clear bud...


Posted by: SinePari

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkiek
One word for RP is "Jealous" and learn how to spell Sheriff

I am proud of the Middlesex Sheriff's that gave up there time to go to LO and help out.
He'll spell Sheriff correctly, if you tell us where "LO" is...

And before they spend some more money on Urban Assault Vehicles, when will there be a regional lockup in EVERY county? We're still waiting...


Posted by: danforth

I can see why other cops get upset with deputies. We probably all have a story of something a nitwit did. But can't put all of them in the same bag. There are many deputies out there that are "real cops" with full academy training who also work for a Sheriff's Dept. in addition to their full time PD employment. Nothing wrong with wanting to take advantage of a detail close to your residence instead of traveling accross the state for an overtime shift.


Posted by: Wolfman

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There are many deputies out there that are "real cops" with full academy training who also work for a Sheriff's Dept. in addition to their full time PD employment. Nothing wrong with wanting to take advantage of a detail close to your residence instead of traveling accross the state for an overtime shift.
Many? How many? Any on here? Travel across the state for OT? Only one department I know of that does that, and I doubt any of them are Sheriffs...
There is also a BIG difference between a Sheriff working a detail that couldn't be filled by a real cop and a Sheriff trotting into your town and pulling over cars or kicking in doors uninvited and unannounced.


Posted by: danforth

Wolf, I agree that Sheriff's should not be pulling over cars or kicking down doors uninvited. I'm OK with it if it is at the request of the department At my last in-service there were many seasoned full time cops that work for SD's part time. My point was that there are deputies out there that have extensive training and experience. How many? I don't know but I have come across a quite a few. I've also seen the dopes that have no business in the field. I don't live in the city I work for and yes extensive travel is required. Not that i'm bitching about it...my choice.


Posted by: aem783

It's interesting, reading a person's point of view, especially a cop's POV, who does not work for the department. Just because you know people who work there doesn't mean you "know" what goes on. Sure, you can speculate. But, everything you hear is hearsay... Seems like your fight should be with DiPaola and no one else. If anyone was taking advantage of the situation, it was him all by his lonesome... I bet you didn't know that the guys sent to New Orleans really had no choice... Plus, who cares, right? Why waste your time and further his publicity here? At least he went down there to help. What did you do?

Another thing, granted there are C/Os who are pompous pricks. Then again, most people doing the dirty work in the criminal justice field, including cops, are pompous pricks. I am 'for' giving sheriffs police power within certain limitations. Say a Hurricane Katrina happened here, or a 9/11 or even an earthquake... Wouldn't we want qualified trained personnel on the street keeping order? As deputy sheriffs, c/o's have the same rights as cops essentially, EXCEPT they cannot right tickets and cannot engage in a car chase and things of that nature. Isn't that the bulk of what police do? Aren't approximately 70% of police officers in America strictly patrol? Yes. So, who would want to do that menial job anyways? Why would a c/o possibly want to write tickets or respond to calls when they can write their reports every night and respond to inmate bulls**t? It's all the same when you put it in context. When you have to resort to name-calling and insults, you really don't have a case for your points. I'm not absolving the guy, but you only have an ungrounded opinion.

Are you aware that a new facility was built in Billerica. A modern facility. A much-needed facility because the old one has been around since the early 1900's and no one should be exposed to that kind of working environment, let alone inmates? I understand what you're saying though. Sure, he could be putting that money to better use, for example, better services for the inmates in jail or reentry initiatives... Then again, if he did that, you and he would probably be out of a job... If everyone was rehabilitated, then there would be no need for you or him right?

Essentially, with all that being said, view sheriffs as an asset to the police. They are not going to take your job. I'm sure there's enough work out there for everyone. Actually, I know there is. Because even police departments are understaffed and underfunded. Why not use a resource already there to help themselves out. For example, Boston PD is down about 350 officers... And, it's hurting them bad. They've had to shut down three drug units and condense gang units into one. BPD has started initiatives, where they engage other members of the system and the community. For example, they have the Reentry initiative, working with suffolk county sheriff department. They have the Faith based initiative, working with local area clergy. And they have the youth violence strikeforce, where they work with not only members of the community but DYS, Probation/Parole, etc... We are all part of the criminal justice community and I think we should all act as such. View it as the military- there are different branches, but in the end, we all work together.

One more thing- you have too much anger over something very trivial. Life's too short man.


Posted by: mpd61

Excellent!!

Points well articulated! We need a few more like you out here. I believe as You do that the problem is at the Top. Let's not hang Deputies for the politically motivated actions of their boss(es)




Posted by: popo

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Say a Hurricane Katrina happened here, or a 9/11 or even an earthquake... Wouldn't we want qualified trained personnel on the street keeping order?
No, I'd rather have the National Guard out there supplementing the POLICE. They are better trained than the Sheriff hacks and know their place. The Sheriff can bring all his croanies and watch the jails in case of an emergency like Katrina.

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Why not use a resource already there to help themselves out. For example, Boston PD is down about 350 officers.
They are low and that is exactly why the Sheriff should stay the f*ck out and mind his own jails and process serving business. Why should Boston hire more officers if these dinks can come in and offer services for free. Besides, let me reiterate, a deputy sheriff is NOT a cop, even with a full time academy.


Posted by: aem783

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Originally Posted by mpd61
Excellent!!

Points well articulated! We need a few more like you out here. I believe as You do that the problem is at the Top. Let's not hang Deputies for the politically motivated actions of their boss(es)
Thanks. There's a lot more from where that came from... I'm sure you'll be reading a lot of what I have to say.


Posted by: aem783

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Originally Posted by popo
No, I'd rather have the National Guard out there supplementing the POLICE. They are better trained than the Sheriff hacks and know their place. The Sheriff can bring all his croanies and watch the jails in case of an emergency like Katrina.


They are low and that is exactly why the Sheriff should stay the f*ck out and mind his own jails and process serving business. Why should Boston hire more officers if these dinks can come in and offer services for free. Besides, let me reiterate, a deputy sheriff is NOT a cop, even with a full time academy.
Hm, where's the National Guard these days anyhow... I wouldn't want them helping me if it takes our president three days to respond to a natural disaster... But, hey now, that's an argument for another day.

Again, we are resorting to name-calling and unfounded opinions. A lot of those initiatives work with the people at the top, like Superintendent Joyce, not the patrol officers. If BPD had the funds alotted to them, they certainly would hire more police officers. But, I wouldn't call c/os or deputies "low." They're making an honorable living dealing with scumbags, just as cops do.

What are all your problems anyways? You people are so angry. You don't have to worry about losing your jobs, if that's what you're all concerned about. Or, is it because you like the "prestige" of being a police officer, so you have to put down everyone else. sheesh.


Posted by: newman

Hey RP, I bet you probably work for some piss ant town where if it wasn't for ch.90 you wouldn't have anything else to do.It sounds like you need more to do and should atttend some anger management class.It's comical how you try to portray that the civil service system is 100% guaranteed.it's probably not even a civil service town you work in.(if your even a cop).Let me guess, you worked for a sheriff's department, but were probably one of those that were afraid of inmates and worked behind a glass wall your whole career then somehow managed to become a police officer and now you think your some tough guy.I know many police officers who when they worked for the sheriff's department were scared to death of being aroud an inmate and they always had to be assigned somewhere like the mailroom or outer perimeter and it's laughable when I see these guys as police officers.I bet your one of them.What town do you work for?


Posted by: THE RP

Very well put AEM...I accept your points but I must stress that this whole situation boils down to TRUTH, ETHICS, INTEGRITY and MORALITY. These are the most fundamental and basic principals for which our whole profession is based. When I say "our profession" I mean anyone who dedicates themselves in the profession of law enforcement... So it's pretty simple. If you pass yourself off as being something you are not you are ignoring and avoiding the TRUTH. You then disqualify yourself from being a true cop. Very simple. It's the whole "higher standard" thing.
Yes there's a new facilty. Yes there are reentry initiatives...but there are also countless numbers of backdoor jobs given to politicians, family members, donors...so much for ETHICS right. Did the Sheriff ask every one of his people if they wanted to go on the trip?
It's been clear that he has been empire building since he got there. He has made promises to people that will get him votes and keep him in power. Without those people he would be nothing. The propaganda he has perpetrated with the help of his subordinates is also a complete diservice to not only everyone else in the law enforcement community but a total diservice to the public that we all have sworn to protect. Thats something nobody should ignore.
I am proud of the job I do. It's the job I was hired to do. I do not need to pretend I am something else. I do not patrol the highways, I do not take shifts on the tiers.. Yes, There is plenty of work for all of us but we all have a place. I submit that we all should just do our jobs and not try to do other peoples jobs. It's not about turf or jealousy. It's about the machine. We are all part of a machine and when part of that machine breaks down or tries to do the work of another, the machine will break down. Common sense...
I respect and I am very priveleged to know good, solid guys that work hard for that department. They get nothing but my highest regard. I have no use for those who wish to go along with the sham that the Sheriff continuously tries to play out for votes and publicity. To go along with it or turn a blind eye to it is nothing but a slap to us all.
How about reeeling in those clowns in the unmarks speeding around our cities and towns like they have carte blanche. How about reeeling in those guys who choose not to let anyone know they are in town doing god knows what until they need real cops to bail them out. How about collecting all that tin that was given out to hacks that feel they have immunity. How about getting rid of those people in jobs that are in a law enforcement capacity that have no business being there.
How about those regional lockups. Take some pressure off the locals and troopers when it comes to prisoners. Wouldn't want to do that because then there would be a lesser neeed for his toy soldiers to someday be patrolling. That would get him less vote getting power right..less room for promises.
Make them DOC. Make them accoutable to someone other than our "esteemed" politicians. Right now it's blatantly incestuous. Its part of our machine that is broken and getting worse with every guy who agrees to go along with it.
It needs to stop. Do not ignore it or gloss over it...If you want to be part of this machine gather up some fortitude, excercise some integrity and do the job that you were hired to do. Do not pass yourself off as something that you are not and strive for excellence at what is expected of you.
Unfortunately right now I would be hard pressed to find another area local guy or state guy who doesn't say "F#@ the Sheriffs". Its a shame because there now is a stigma and I think that it has become unavoidable. So my advice is simple. Smarten up and stop trying to ignore what has gotten you there. Police yourselves a little more and stop taking part in the fraud.
DO NOT accuse any other uniform wearing member of this profession as "putting evreyone else down". Do not accuse anyone of trying to further ones prestige. That is childish and that is ignoring the facts.


Posted by: Wolfman

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Originally Posted by aem783
bet you didn't know that the guys sent to New Orleans really had no choice... Plus, who cares, right? Why waste your time and further his publicity here? At least he went down there to help. What did you do?
You ALWAYS have a choice. Did he hold a gun to their heads?

Other organizations coordinated their efforts in conjunction with the authorities in Louisiana. They also don't have their press releases chomping at the bit in the fax machine while their vehicles are still gassing up for the trip. By coordinating with local authorities, those affected at least have the opportunity to decide when and where the relief efforts should be concentrated and can maintain a sense of dignity and control, both of which are vital during a crisis.

Not so our Sheriff, he just blundered on down uninvited and unannounced and set up camp, the same way that he blunders into our towns and cities. I guess he just must have some sort of divine insight on crimefighting as well as hurricane and flood relief that authorities here and on the Gulf Coast lack.


Posted by: popo

F*ck the Sheriff and NEWMAN too!! Again


Posted by: THE RP

NEWMAN.....
Your highly intellectual response shows clearly where you stand....

You have some interesting insight about the problems in the world you seem to languish in.

My suggestion to ease your apparent unhappiness is to go and wash the Sheriff's car and maybe he will promote you to captain or commodore or admiral or something.

I don't need to let anyone know where I work. The real Police out there will recognize the fact that I work a real job. And interestingly enough I only wrote three six ways last year but somehow earned enough court time to probably pay your mortgage, and then some...go figure right. Thats what real police work does. It pays the bills..I'm happy

Nice try though...would have been something for you to show his eminence to prove your loyalty...Very smooth...


Posted by: popo

We had a couple of deputy sheriffs in our police academy. They used to come in every once in a while with the Sheriff's brand new decked out 1000 leds and strobes black Excursion. When we asked them why they were using it ,they would say "Oh we have to go help him out with the election later".

Newman is just a stressed out little star shaped badge carrying bunny that could never get on a PD, so he volunteers with the election signs and maybe he will get a chance to get on a detail list and work. I already know my department and many other towns will NOT use sheriffs for details. I only wish that MSP stops using them for details. I guess they work on Rte 3 in Lowell area and when I asked an LT from MSP why they use them, he said they have a cruiser and that is why they call them.


Posted by: newman

popo, I don't think I could live with the pay cut if I decided to become a real police officer.I believe the little star shaped badge you talk about has been around alot longer than whatever you might wear.As for details, I can work almost on a daily basis if I choose, because unlike whatever problems exist in your county; where I work the local police departments all use us with no problems.


Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by newman
Hey RP, I bet you probably work for some piss ant town where if it wasn't for ch.90 you wouldn't have anything else to do.It sounds like you need more to do and should atttend some anger management class.It's comical how you try to portray that the civil service system is 100% guaranteed.it's probably not even a civil service town you work in.(if your even a cop).Let me guess, you worked for a sheriff's department, but were probably one of those that were afraid of inmates and worked behind a glass wall your whole career then somehow managed to become a police officer and now you think your some tough guy.I know many police officers who when they worked for the sheriff's department were scared to death of being aroud an inmate and they always had to be assigned somewhere like the mailroom or outer perimeter and it's laughable when I see these guys as police officers.I bet your one of them.What town do you work for?
Hey Newman, anytime you are willing to go through what I went through and graduate, you can share a piece of the pie and talk all the s--t that you want. All the perks that we have are earned and not just given to us due to a campaign donation. They are earneed through blood, sweat, pain and tears. If you go to www.middlesexsheriff.com, you will all see that The MCSD boast to have the most comprehensive training academy in the state. They also boast to have the toughest academy in the state. Give me a f----'n break! Let some of these deputies you see on the website last 1 week in the SPA. And by the way, no disrespect to those Correction Officers who are employed by the Sheriff Depts. I was a State screw, so I can relate. As a c/o, you truly do walk one of the toughest beats in LE. To those others, know your role and shut your hole!


Posted by: newman

nirtallica, if you went through the MSP academy then I admire you very much. there is no doubt it is the hardest academy probably anywhere.I have nothing but the highest respect for the MSP and would never think about insulting them.I really didn't mean to insult any police departments, but it gets old when some of the people who post continually bash the sheriff's as a whole.Unfortunately, the sheriff is an elected official and has to run for office every six years and they try to drag the employees in with it.I can only blame the Legislature for making the entire mess they have created.Some of the people I have to work with, I would like nothing better than to throw them into oncoming traffic for the embarassment they create, but there isn't much to do about it.


Posted by: SinePari

Not only do we have disgruntled LE professionals, but we are also tax payers who would like to see the funds used for better purposes than what we've seen in the past. It's our chosen profession and we scrutinize everything. The Colonel or Chief are not immune to scrutiny, so neither should the Sheriff.

As far as taxes go, we all look at spending as if there is only one checkbook. So when we see a spending spree by another dept, like a new fleet of CVs for the Sheriff and I'm driving a 1998 POS, then we look at what shortages we have and get pissed.


Posted by: Wolfman

"Comprehensive Training Academy"
Comprehensive enough for PT and basic military drill?




Posted by: SinePari

You know everyone on the side of the street is thinking, WTF are these people? How do they fit into their duty belts?

I can't tell what gender the person with the bike is. I can see back-boobs!


Posted by: CAMM

MassCops Cadet
first off I would like to say that I am new to this site and recieve alot of great info from it ..so thank you to its creator.

I would like to share my feelings on Masscops posting.. he talks as though he is the toughest badest of all the law enforcements badasses but would probably not last a day inside one of house of corrections without his gun and oc. His posting clearly shows that he does not possess one of the few tools we get to use OUR BRAINS. Masscop would shit himself apon entering one of the housing units and have one of the bad boys come up to him yelling and screaming.
My advise to u MASSCOP try working in a House of Corrections and show us what a Tough guy you are.
It is to bad that he is so freaking ignorant that he has to bad mouth COS on a web site instead of coming to one of the house of corrections and stating his feelings to the first CO he sees.

DONT WORRY MASSCOP REAL MEN AND WOMAN wont take your jOB YOU COWARD


Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by CAMM
MassCops Cadet
first off I would like to say that I am new to this site and recieve alot of great info from it ..so thank you to its creator.

I would like to share my feelings on Masscops posting.. he talks as though he is the toughest badest of all the law enforcements badasses but would probably not last a day inside one of house of corrections without his gun and oc. His posting clearly shows that he does not possess one of the few tools we get to use OUR BRAINS. Masscop would shit himself apon entering one of the housing units and have one of the bad boys come up to him yelling and screaming.
My advise to u MASSCOP try working in a House of Corrections and show us what a Tough guy you are.
It is to bad that he is so freaking ignorant that he has to bad mouth COS on a web site instead of coming to one of the house of corrections and stating his feelings to the first CO he sees.

DONT WORRY MASSCOP REAL MEN AND WOMAN wont take your jOB YOU COWARD
That's funny, I worked in a real prison and all the county inmates that transferred there were SCARED TO DEATH. I think you should work in a REAL prison before you run your suck.


Posted by: CAMM

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Originally Posted by nirtallica
That's funny, I worked in a real prison and all the county inmates that transferred there were SCARED TO DEATH. I think you should work in a REAL prison before you run your suck.

MOST INMATES TRANSFER FROM HOC RETARD

OR DO YOU THINK THERE IS A SPECIAL HOLDING TANK FOR YOUR REAL INMATES


YOU PROVE THAT YOU ARE STUPID AS IGNORANT
THANK GOD YOU ARE ON THE STREETS PROTECTING US


Posted by: popo

Hey CAMM shitbird, who do you think sends these assholes to your jail, we do. We deal with these guys, alone on the highways and on the roads, we kick their ass and arrest them and send them to you babysitters. You guys monitor everything they do, there are cameras and backup COs everywhere. So stop being so overly dramatic you little pussy.


Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:
Originally Posted by popo
We deal with these guys, alone on the highways and on the roads, we kick their ass and arrest them.
Kick'n ass and taking names, cuff 'n and stuff'n, all alone in the hood and on the highways and byways. Now who's being overly dramatic???


Posted by: popo

Don;t know about you PBC, but the troopers here are by themselves, two out on the night shift per barracks and alot of town have only one officer on at night. No I am not being over dramatic, we can't all have 30 guys a shift like FL, where they get $8 an hour and no unions.


Posted by: THE RP

CAMM...

I suggest you read slower...Nobody demeaned what the CO's do...Just the opposite..You do not have to prove that you guys do a tough job and do it well...The point of this whole series of posts based on this thread was the problems that his eminence the Sherriff is causing by trying to make himself some sort of all powerful emporer of law enforcement. When in all actuallity he is nothing more than an unsupervised publicity hound ego maniac. The point was, that instead of trying to create an army of toy soldiers who he wants to send out countywide patrolling places that are already patrolled he should concentrate on the jails, like he is supposed to be doing...He should take some of the money he spends on cruisers, tanks, Winnebagos and motorcycles and spread it around a little more to the guys who do the real job inside the walls...
As far as your tough guy speech about working the job you do...That was unbelievably stupid...This isn't high school so stop the ignorant bullshit. Nobody has to prove anything to anyone on this site. Everyone does their job and things go smooth...When someone stops doing their job because overnight they want to take someone elses job things get messed up...Thats where we are at all over the state...just read the other posts of similar nature....
Unfortunately the same ignorance to street police work and inferiority complex that most of you guys have are those same things that the county sherriffs are using to manipulate you..They are preying on the fact that you guys want out and they are making promises for votes...Maybe you are wise to it, maybe you aren't one of the believers...I don't know what side you are on...Maybe you held a compaign sign at an intersection for your Sherriff. I don't know...What Ido know is I have a job and you have a job..you do yours, I'll do mine..We all take care of eachother..It's not about who's tough and who is not...Give me a break and grow up....


Posted by: nirtallica

Quote:
Originally Posted by CAMM
MOST INMATES TRANSFER FROM HOC RETARD

OR DO YOU THINK THERE IS A SPECIAL HOLDING TANK FOR YOUR REAL INMATES


YOU PROVE THAT YOU ARE STUPID AS IGNORANT
THANK GOD YOU ARE ON THE STREETS PROTECTING US
Now let's see, The HOC is where you are sent for misdemeanors and State prison is where you are sent for felonies JACKASS. So I guess the two are different. Who is the ignorant retard? Get your facts straight. You are probably some hack who 's family knew someone and got you in. Go donate some more money so you can end up in a special unit or maybe even the Sheriffs aprehension squad. And by the way, I was a screw for seven years before I became a Trooper. Most of the Troopers I know wouldn't hesitate to walk into any HOC or REAL, yes REAL prison, w/o their sidearm and kick some serious ASS.


Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:
Originally Posted by popo
Don;t know about you PBC, but the troopers here are by themselves, two out on the night shift per barracks and alot of town have only one officer on at night. No I am not being over dramatic, we can't all have 30 guys a shift like FL, where they get $8 an hour and no unions.
Well I guess you would know how things are in Florida. Now, if you are working in a town with one or two cops on per shift, then how many criminals are you coming across where you are kicking ass and taking names? Writing tail light violations doesn't really constitute kicking ass.


Posted by: THE RP

By the quality of the replies, by those of you who are on the campaign staffs for our esteemed sherriffs, you have done nothing but proven the exact points that all of us out here on the real police side have been making....You have no excuse for trying to make yourselves into something you are not and never will be...do you F#$$@ jobs and sit down..

Some very precise questions have come to mind.... Why can't you accept that you belong in the jails? Why do you think it's alright to backdoor youselves into jobs that you were never intended to do by definition? If you want to be a street cop or trooper why not keep fighting for those jobs? Thats how we got where we are. Who's going to teach you to work the streets? It's clear that "academy" classes are being turned out and guys are getting "certified" but all that means nothing if you have nobody that has come before you to actually teach you how to do the job. Are the zero expierience "patrol" deputies going to teach the new academy fresh "patrol" deputies to work patrol? Sounds like a sound plan to me....Just where do you think you are going to patrol? The highways? Nope! The cities and towns of the county? Nope!
You need to grasp that all of the promises your beloved bosses have made to you are crap. Figure it out and work to elect people that are going to give you good raises and take care of you while you do your jobs inside the walls of the institutions you are entrusted with. It ends there at the fence line and at the gates...

Maybe some cops out there have some ideas for these misquided souls...just some ideas to get them back on track...then again its all been written before but clearly ignored...

Also you better clean up your own act because if you morons think that for one minute me or any of my real police brothers out there are going to hold your hands in any way down the road before you get rid of the hacks and misfits and square away yourselves your sorrily mistaken....Obviously most of you are the hacks and misfits and you would have to go back to your pizza place jobs so I suppose you are stuck in a pretty vicious circle of your own making.
You friggin idiots shoot yourselevs in the foot on a regular basis thinking that grandstanding is going to make it all right. NOPE, wrong again.. Your side of this discussion is baseless.You have to learn to police yourselves and then maybe all of the hammering you get from everyone else in the LE community will stop. Friggin wannbes run amok...Priceless


Posted by: j809

Quote:
Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop
Well I guess you would know how things are in Florida. Now, if you are working in a town with one or two cops on per shift, then how many criminals are you coming across where you are kicking ass and taking names? Writing tail light violations doesn't really constitute kicking ass.
Hey I work for a town with one and sometimes two officers a shift. We do our share and come with some pretty good arrests. Besides I'd rather do this for $31hr with the Quinn Bill & Differential then go hard core all night in Florida for $15 Hr.


Posted by: Wolfman

Maybe writing taillight violations doesn't constitute kicking ass, but does stopping a car for a taillight violation and pulling a loaded .357 out of the glovebox meet your honor's level of qualification?

I think your blinders are on a bit too tight.


Posted by: THE RP

I figured I would weigh in with this discussion of intestinal fortitude since the frustrated wannbe blows are busy doing a head count or have apparently surrendered finally....

Lets all face it..No matter where you work, what you do primarily, how big or how small your gig is at, what you get paid etc...we all deal with the same dangers just at different levels in different places...its all the same shit bags just different stories.....It's like watching cops...sit down watch cops tonight and notice that all the people that the tv cops are dealing with are the exact same people you dealt with on your last shift...it's the same people, the same crap, the same junkies, the same thieves, the same chases.....just different places....Personally my hat goes off to the troopers these days in Mass. They are spread way too thin on the road...they make do and never quit just like the one horse or two horse towns. I am aware that things are a bit more bizarre working as a campus cop but hey it's the fundamentally the same...you gotta do what you gotta do and that is what seperates the real police from the humps...


Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
Maybe writing taillight violations doesn't constitute kicking ass, but does stopping a car for a taillight violation and pulling a loaded .357 out of the glovebox meet your honor's level of qualification?

I think your blinders are on a bit too tight.
And I'm sure that happens everyday on your beat, talk about being overly dramatic.


Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:
Originally Posted by j809
Hey I work for a town with one and sometimes two officers a shift. We do our share and come with some pretty good arrests. Besides I'd rather do this for $31hr with the Quinn Bill & Differential then go hard core all night in Florida for $15 Hr.
Good for you.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by nirtallica
Now let's see, The HOC is where you are sent for misdemeanors and State prison is where you are sent for felonies JACKASS.
Where do you think felony suspects are held before trial?


Posted by: nirtallica

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Where do you think felony suspects are held before trial?
The jail, not the HOC, and thats only if they do not make bail. Most of those scumbags are not going to act up anyway because they still have to go to court, so they are going to play nice and not give the courts anymore ammo. You are missing the point. What CAMM is trying to say is that he or she thinks that woring in a HOC makes you a tough guy. I worked state corrections for seven years. I have dealt with county inmates, as well a hard core cons. THere is a BIG difference between the bravado of a county inmate and state inmate. If you are going to talk s#@&t on this board, at least know what you are talking about and be able to back it up before you run your mouth. I will walk into ANY jail, HOC or sate prison w/o my firearm, OC or baton any day of the week.


Posted by: j809

Quote:
I will walk into ANY jail, HOC or sate prison w/o my firearm, OC or baton any day of the week.[img]images/smilies/whaasup.gif[/img] [img]vb3bluesaint/buttons/reply_small.gif[/img]
Yeah CAMM Biatch, Damn Nirtallica, You can be my wingman anytime baby!!!


Posted by: spdawg0734

I would like to weigh in with this one thought, no matter where you work, State, Local, City or Town, in the north or in the south, in the east or in the west. If you put on the uniform and engage the public you are facing the same danger. I respect you for stepping out of your cruiser and engaging the unknown. You can be just as dead wearing a local uniform as a Troopers uniform when you encounter the evil that walks this nation. What will make the difference in your survival lays in your attitude, your training, your alertness, your professionalism. That is why I must agree that we must all do our jobs to the best of our abilities. To those in corrections, that should be your all, although I would not be afraid to enter a facility if I had to and deal with what ever I would have to deal with, I would yield to your expertise in dealing day to day with prisoners, that is your profession and I would not for a minute assume that I could function to your level without your training and your experience. LIKEWISE, although I would not question your bravado and willingness to come and try and do my job, you do not possess the training and experience that you need to preform this job to the level that I do. If you (Mass Sheriffs and corrections officers) want to, I would welcome you as my brother once you go through our training and join our ranks as police officers. If you are inclined I urge you to take the tests and come on in. If not, then enjoy my respect and support for the WORK THAT YOU DO KEEPEING THE ANIMALS IN THEIR CAGES, Until our society lets them come back out to play, where we will be waiting.

No matter where you work, stay alert, stay sharp, stay engaged.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by nirtallica
I have dealt with county inmates, as well a hard core cons. THere is a BIG difference between the bravado of a county inmate and state inmate.
Not long ago, I put away a guy for 18 months for a Domestic A&B. He had previously served 15 years for manslaughter, in a state prison. Do you honestly think he's going to act any differently in a house of correction?


Posted by: Wolfman

Quote:
Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop
And I'm sure that happens everyday on your beat, talk about being overly dramatic.
It just has to happen once to be worth the trouble, twice and you're doing something right. Don't presume to question my foundation of knowledge or personal experience, or to brush it off on drama. You want drama, watch cop shows on TNT. You want reality, pull your head out and take a look around.


Posted by: CAMM

Quote:
Originally Posted by nirtallica
Now let's see, The HOC is where you are sent for misdemeanors and State prison is where you are sent for felonies JACKASS. So I guess the two are different. Who is the ignorant retard? Get your facts straight. You are probably some hack who 's family knew someone and got you in. Go donate some more money so you can end up in a special unit or maybe even the Sheriffs aprehension squad. And by the way, I was a screw for seven years before I became a Trooper. Most of the Troopers I know wouldn't hesitate to walk into any HOC or REAL, yes REAL prison, w/o their sidearm and kick some serious ASS.

OUT OF RESPECT FOR WHAT NIRTALLICA HAS SAID I IWLL NOT COMMENT ON THIS POST

MY ONE QUESTION IS WHERE ARE THESE FELONS HELD WHILE AWAITING TRIAL I HAVE SEEN ^ YEARS WE ALSO HOLD FEDS THINK ABOUT IT IS ALL I AM ASKING


Posted by: popo

My question CAMM, is WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: popo

Quote:
MY ONE QUESTION IS WHERE ARE THESE FELONS HELD WHILE AWAITING TRIAL I HAVE SEEN ^ YEARS WE ALSO HOLD FEDS THINK ABOUT IT IS ALL I AM ASKING
Also with spelling like that it seems to me that you'll be working for the Sheriff's Department for a very very long time. Now, you can always go to the 4Cs and take a few courses in Writing.


Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
It just has to happen once to be worth the trouble, twice and you're doing something right. Don't presume to question my foundation of knowledge or personal experience, or to brush it off on drama. You want drama, watch cop shows on TNT. You want reality, pull your head out and take a look around.
I don't need to watch TV, this is drama enough.


Posted by: popo

Oh stop it PBC, the best drama you had was at BSCPD.


Posted by: PBC FL Cop

What the hell is BSCPD???


Posted by: k9sheriff

popo,what intestinal fortitude you have.where did you get your bravery from, the Marines.Not to insult the Marines, but just because you might have served doesn't mean your as tough as you try to project yourself.You have to be one of the most obnoxious idiots I have seen.Your inferiority comlpex really shows!Instead of trying to provoke people, try writing something intelligent ,that would be a nice change.CAMM, I told you this web site was better than the circus!


Posted by: PearlOnyx

Sheriff,

You brought Camm along with you too? It seems that we have a lot of local K9 lurkers eh? =) I think I may return from my hiatus from this site shortly.


Posted by: mpd61

That would be a welcome return Pearl, maybe not as Triumphant, but definitely welcome!




Posted by: k9sheriff

Pearl, how are you.I told camm and pretty much tell anyone who would have an interest to read or post on the site.Although there tends to always be a main topic regarding the sheriff's which always turns into a formal battle, It's never the less entertaining.I hope the picture of that sheriff on the bike isn't from oour department.He doesn't look familiar.


Posted by: PearlOnyx

MPD,

I'm trying. I'm finishing up school online right now, which has pretty much put me on my laptop writing papers 24 hours a day, but I'd like to read and post a little more again.

K9,

Where's this bike picture? I must have missed that one. Given the regular negative nature of the Sheriff topic on this board, I'd hope not to see anyone from our department on here in general.


Posted by: k9sheriff

PearlOnyx, I thought the picture was on this thread.You have to ask Wolfman to send it to you.I have to admit the picture of this guy in a parade standing next to his bike in a sheriff's department uniform was quite disgusting.Talk about an embarrassment! The picture speaks a thousand words.Most departments would have the sensibility to hide this guy from the public.But anyway it's no secret to how many fat, overweight unfit police officers there are.Thats their own health they have to deal with.I'll be happy to collect my $750.00 for next weeks 1 1/2 mile run.


Posted by: USMCTrooper

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkiek
One word for RP is "Jealous" and learn how to spell Sheriff

I am proud of the Middlesex Sheriff's that gave up there time to go to LO and help out.
They have a Department BIG enough and equiped enough to handle most anything in the Massachusetts as well as obviously anything in the USA. So give credit where credit is due. Obviously you were bound to your little town that when you patrol you have to turn around because the town line comes up so quickly. Don't be upset be happy that a great Sheriff's Office in Massachusetts came through to help there brothers in LO while you patroled your town RP
If you're going to throw jabs about spelling, look no futher than the mirror...and learn some syntax grammar as well.


Posted by: danforth

Smith honored for hurricane relief efforts
By Jillian Fennimore/ jfennimo@cnc.com
Thursday, October 20, 2005

With only three hours notice, Middlesex Deputy Sheriff John Smith said he and about 20 members of the office's Special Operations Unit drove to Louisiana aboard a mobile command center to assist in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.
The 26-year-old Scituate resident said his unit spent a month in the devastated state where he witnessed the awful destruction the hurricane wrought on the region.
"We went there expecting the worst," said Smith, who has been recently promoted to Captain after a 5-1/2-year stint as deputy sheriff with the department.
Beginning on Sept. 2, Smith said his unit spent two weeks each in two separate and isolated parishes in Louisiana - Plaque-Mine and Washington - and had "all the bases covered" in terms of medical needs, safety patrols and providing communication to the outside world.
"The first two weeks were shocking," he said of the destruction in the communities from the hurricane and flood waters that followed. "There would be three stairs leading to no house. It was terrible."
Smith and the rest of the Special Operations Unit patrolled some areas for 12 to 14 hours, he said, working to set up food and gas distribution sites, and keeping a close watch for rising crime and looting.
The unit was called to certain parts of Louisiana by sheriffs in the area and with a need for support from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)
Their duty ultimately was to be a symbol of public safety and mutual aid in the area, as members of the unit made several arrests and drug raids due to the unfortunate high crime rate in some of the neighborhoods, said Smith.
"We let them know we are here to help," he said. "It's hard to put into words."
But their efforts and outstanding contributions were easy to recognize as Smith, along with other members of the Middlesex Sheriff's Office, were honored with the Distinguished Humanitarian Service Award from the Massachusetts Association of Italian American Police Officers last week.
On Oct. 16, Smith was honored in an awards ceremony was held at the Woburn Crowne Plaza. The event was attended by more than 500 police officers and families from across the state. According to Mark Lawhorne, the Middlesex Sheriff's Office Public Information Officer, Lt. Governor Kerry Healey was the keynote speaker for their annual breakfast and celebration.
"It was a big effort," Lawhorne said about the journey to Louisiana. "They were surprised by what they saw. They were glad to come home."

Scituate resident and Middlesex County Deputy Sheriff John Smith won the Distinguished Humanitarian Service Award from the Massachusetts Association of Italian American Police Officers.


Posted by: Clouseau

Quote:
Originally Posted by danforth
who has been recently promoted to Captain after a 5-1/2-year stint as deputy sheriff with the department.
.
Nice promotion. Like the old days when patrolman were made instant Deputy Sups.


Posted by: phuzz01

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clouseau
Nice promotion. Like the old days when patrolman were made instant Deputy Sups.
Seriously. Around here, you are still considered a rookie with 5 1/2 years on...


Posted by: K9Vinny

[But their efforts and outstanding contributions were easy to recognize as Smith, along with other members of the Middlesex Sheriff's Office, were honored with the Distinguished Humanitarian Service Award from the Massachusetts Association of Italian American Police Officers last week. ]


Yes, Smith is a very popular name in Italy. Years ago when the Italian American Police Officer's Association was created, I signed up my dog, Vinny, under the name Vinny DePerro (Spanish for "the dog"). They sent him a nice certificate, patch and pin. I took a picture of Vinny with his awards and mailed it back to them thanking them for letting my dog join their association. I haven't heard from them since.


Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

He's a captain at 26years old and 5 and half years experience hummmmmm????


Posted by: clarkiek

I have only one real question "Why are all the big state cops and little local cops all scared of what the Sheriff's might do"? Who gives a f%^k. Why all the attention of what if the Sheriff's do this and I saw a Sheriff do that. Get over it and on with your own job. I look at it this way. If the Deputy on the street messes up then ridicule him. Otherwise leave him alone he was on the job first.


Posted by: THE RP

In regards to your question Clarkiek it's pretty simple.

None of us "big state guys" or "little local guys" want to be there holding the bag when the "deputy on the street" messes up. Mess ups cost lives, cause good cops anguish, pain and then of course potentially money....The stakes are too high and your statement proves your ignorance to the realities of working the street.
If the Sheriffs can't even prove that they can clean up their own messes we don't want them causing more for us.
You guys figure this out and you might get a little acceptance however as long as the Sheriffs keep showing their incompetence and disregard for true professionalism (IE Five year veteran captains) you will face utter contempt and distrust from those of us who actually work the streets.
And by the way. No deputy will mess up on my street because he will not be welcome on my street until that deputies respective department gets its act together.

Stop making excuses and throwing around stupid justifications and clean up your own world and then join ours. Because whether you like it or not the way things are set up our worlds are separate and they will stay that way until we accept you. No hack jobs, back room politics, snake oil sales techniques, grandstanding and elaborate press conferences will ever fool us. Maybe some people but not us.


Posted by: SinePari

Plus as taxpayers, we see with our own eyes the complete fraudulent waste of money speny on the Sheriffs Dept, from top to bottom on personnel and equipment.

That's why we "give a f*ck", and will not get over it. And we're still waiting for regional lockups in every county.


Posted by: BB-59

Quote:
Originally Posted by SinePari
Plus as taxpayers, we see with our own eyes the complete fraudulent waste of money speny on the Sheriffs Dept, from top to bottom on personnel and equipment.

That's why we "give a f*ck", and will not get over it. And we're still waiting for regional lockups in every county.
To the best of my knowledge deputy sheriffs have to at least be intermitent academy trained as do part time police officers. I am sure some are "hacks" but why lump them all in a negative way? I hear many were retired police officers.

As far as what their job is, should be, or is was left up in the air in New Bedford, MA. If they can add something positive to the mix why exclude them? I know some municple police officers feel the same way about State PD being on there turf.

As far as Hollywood Hodgson goes, have you ever noticed that once he looses the headlines off he goes. Don't make the mistake New Bedford did and give him a stage to act. He does not pay his legal fees, we do.

A good way to look at sheriff's is in Boston where there allowed to work the excess details. The PD and them get along if you do not have a mutual aid aggreement and they can offer something why snub your nose? [-o<


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkiek
I have only one real question "Why are all the big state cops and little local cops all scared of what the Sheriff's might do"?
Very simply, sheriff's departments in Massachusetts are totally unqualified to engage in law enforcement operations. They don't have the training, knowledge, or experience. If they create a shit-sandwich in my sector, it's going to ultimately fall into my lap, and create additional work for me that I really don't need.

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkiek
Who gives a f%^k.
Just about every police officer in the state.

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkiek
Get over it and on with your own job.
You should take your own advice, and worry about doing your job, which is the care & custody of inmates awaiting trial, and those serving a house of correction sentence. Leave the police work to those who actually know what they're doing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkiek
If the Deputy on the street messes up then ridicule him. Otherwise leave him alone he was on the job first.
Really? My police department has been in operation since the 1600's. As a matter of fact, our first arrest was made by Myles Standish.

But, I digress. the deputy sheriff shouldn't be on the street to begin with. You obviously have no clue whatsoever, but we play for keeps on the street. This isn't a game where you can make a donation to the sheriff, get a badge, and then go play cop. There's a very good reason why you need to jump through 1,000 hoops in order to become a police officer in this state.

I should mention that I have nothing but respect for the Norfolk County Sheriff, Mike Bellotti. He seems to be one of the very few sheriffs in the state that isn't under the delusion that he has a law enforcement mandate.


Posted by: Clouseau

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Really? My police department has been in operation since the 1600's. As a matter of fact, our first arrest was made by Myles Standish.
e.

Interesting. I thought he was a military man from England.

Who was he with.. Plymouth P.D.?


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clouseau
Interesting. I thought he was a military man from England.

Who was he with.. Plymouth P.D.?
He was appointed as a Quincy Constable to arrest Thomas Morton, who was supplying liquor and firearms to the local Indians. There is a hill in Quincy, where Morton and the Indians used to gather for raucous, drunken parties, which became known as "The Merry Mount". That area of the city is still referred to as Merrymount.


Posted by: SinePari

Quote:
Originally Posted by BB-59
If they can add something positive to the mix why exclude them? I know some municple police officers feel the same way about State PD being on there turf.
Perfect example: I was working a Patriots game, and of course there are Norfolk County Deputies working as well. No problem, right? We ARE NOT to engage in situations inside of the parking lots, period. We call Foxboro PD. A fight of sorts broke out in the parking lot near the west gate while we were working traffic.

What do the two studs in the NCSD meat-wagon do? Jump out, run into the parking lot and start trying to "defuse" the situation. HA HA HA HA HA That didn't go over very well, and we had to expedite FPD to the scene to unf*ck the mess created. Those two Deputies are probably a couple of great guys out of uniform, but they had no business doing what they did.

Nobody feels that way about being on someone else's turf like you mentioned, unless they are TOTALLY UNQUALIFIED to be there.


Posted by: lawdog671

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd61


Showers with a "garden hose" and "reserve deputies" Oh what a sacrifice, how moving. When is this guy taking a trip over to Iraq or Afghanistan?
I wouldnt be suprised if the Mobile Command Center floats too. We all know how much water is around the jails these days. Thought moats went out in the middle ages.


Posted by: lawdog671

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
You ALWAYS have a choice. Did he hold a gun to their heads?

Other organizations coordinated their efforts in conjunction with the authorities in Louisiana. They also don't have their press releases chomping at the bit in the fax machine while their vehicles are still gassing up for the trip. By coordinating with local authorities, those affected at least have the opportunity to decide when and where the relief efforts should be concentrated and can maintain a sense of dignity and control, both of which are vital during a crisis.

Not so our Sheriff, he just blundered on down uninvited and unannounced and set up camp, the same way that he blunders into our towns and cities. I guess he just must have some sort of divine insight on crimefighting as well as hurricane and flood relief that authorities here and on the Gulf Coast lack.
well put.....the problem was and is that uninvited responders to the disaster put MORE strain on those already there due to limited resources and problems with command and control..what some of us did was fight the urge to go uninvited to assist our brothers and fellow americans until we were asked to go and could do so in a controlled and EFFECTIVE manner....and not create MORE trouble for those there


Posted by: lawdog671

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Where do you think felony suspects are held before trial?
JAILS......house of corrections are for sentenced inmates.....some of us have worked both sides of the fence guys


Posted by: USMCMP5811

Sheriff brings back stories of woe from Gulf
By Margaret Smith
Friday, October 28, 2005

After a month working in two hurricane-ravaged parishes in New Orleans, Middlesex Sheriff James DiPaola and a team of deputies returned home recently to loud music and a cheering crowd that greeted them at a rally near the Billerica House of Corrections.


The staff that accompanied DiPaola to Gulf Coast included 20 deputies and four reserve deputies.


They got some help from members of the Teamsters Local 25, who helped load an armored assault vehicle onto a flatbed and transport it on the 1,600-mile journey as well as move it from location to location once they arrived.


Upon returning, they received a hero's welcome across from the House of Correction, where a ceremony included citations and speeches from numerous dignitaries.


"You heard the call for help, and responded swiftly and admirably," said U.S. Rep. Marty Meehan, D-Lowell, who represents the Massachusetts 5th Congressional District and whose brother, Paul Meehan of Tyngsboro, was among those who accompanied DiPaola. Meehan added, "We are all so proud of what you have done."


Meehan took the opportunity to reiterate criticism of the federal government's response to Hurricane Katrina.


"Where our government failed to act, all of you stepped forward," Meehan said.


DiPaola and his staff provided backup for area law enforcement, helping with everything from maintaining calm as evacuees lined for food and water to patrolling streets.


"I just could not stand there as a fellow American," said DiPaola, who arranged the trip with state lawmakers, the office of Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and a Louisiana state lawmaker there, along with two Louisiana sheriffs he had befriended.


DiPaola recalled how the group found lodging at the First Baptist Church in the town of Franklinton in Washington Parish, where they shaved and showered with a garden hose and slept on the floor. They had to shower outdoors, at night, and keep an eye out for anyone looking, he said, the crowd chuckled.


Two weeks later, when they moved on to Plaquemines Parish, conditions improved slightly, though he said many of the police and other public safety staff with whom they worked had been left homeless.

One of the deputies - Greg Carder, 46, a member of the sheriff's Special Operations Unit - also looked forward to a celebration for his daughter Michayla's ninth birthday.


It wasn't the first time his wife Jackie and their two children had been apart.


Carder, a master sergeant with the New Hampshire-based 94th Military Police Co., returned in 2004 with other company members after spending more than a year's deployment serving in the Iraq war.


In his military career, Carder, who works at the House of Correction, has been many times to war-battered places such as Iraq and Bosnia. He said, "This is the first time I got to help people here in the United States."


Andrew Freker of Chelmsford was soon in the arms of his wife, Nancy, who wiped tears from her eyes.


Freker, an administrator at the House of Correction, took a moment to talk of his experiences in Louisiana, where he said he and other deputies helped to reinforce curfews and roadblocks as well as patrol the neighborhoods for possible looters or other lawbreakers.


Despite reports of widespread problems, he said, "We didn't actually see any looting firsthand."


The hardest part of the journey, he said, was talking with survivors, and "to see the amount of people displaced who lost everything they owned."


The Frekers look forward to spending some time together and with their three children, Brianna, 16, Mallory, 11 and Alex, 9.


"I've never seen a storm of that magnitude, and I hope I never do," he said.


Carder recalled that keeping order in lines for food and water could be tense. He said he would converse with those waiting in line to keep them calm, often making small talk.


"Some of the people totally lost their homes - all the personal stuff they had," Carder said.


The sheriff's staff in Louisiana received regular pay for their shift work, but not for any work they might have done on their own time, said Mark Lawhorne, a spokesman for DiPaola. Lawhorne said he does not believe any overtime was paid, but that such payment could be recouped through FEMA.

While they were away, their posts were filled by basic training academy members fulfilling their on-the-job training requirements.


Way to go there DiPaola, fill shifts with UNDER qualified people while you down in LA playing with your Urban assault vehicle......




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