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Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Saturday, September 17, 2005

Trooper tangles with cops, charged with assault

By M. Elizabeth Roman TELEGRAM & GAZETTE STAFF

HOLDEN— It took four town police officers to restrain state police Trooper Elizabeth M. McClure after she allegedly swung a lamp at them and kicked and punched them when they went to her home Thursday night to investigate a report of a domestic dispute, according to arrest documents.

Trooper McClure was arraigned in Leominster District Court yesterday on four counts of assault and battery, one count of assault and battery on a child under 14 and one count of disorderly conduct. She was released and must return to court on Oct. 6.

According to state police spokeswoman Lt. Sharon Costine, Trooper McClure, who worked in the Holden barracks, has been on leave from the department since April. The spokeswoman declined to comment on the circumstances of the leave, saying it was a personal matter.

Trooper McClure will face a duty status hearing on Monday regarding Thursday’s incident, where suspension will be among actions considered, Lt. Costine said.

Going to Trooper McClure’s residence for a third time Thursday night, Officers Gregg Sculthorpe and Thomas Monahan arrived at 10:07 p.m. and heard yelling coming from an upstairs room, according to the police report. On the earlier two visits, both for reports of domestic disturbances, the officers left after determining things were under control. During those previous encounters with Trooper McClure, they found her to be easily distracted and smelling of alcohol, according to the report.

Concerned for the young family member inside, the officers entered and found Trooper McClure shaking the person and yelling loudly, the report said.

Officer Sculthorpe pulled the family member to another room to speak with the individual. The family member told the officer that Trooper McClure had hit her in the face and pulled her hair, according to the report.

Trooper McClure picked up a lamp and began swinging at the officers when they denied her entry into the room where the family member was being interviewed, the report said. They restrained Trooper McClure on the ground, but she continued to kick and punch them before they got hand restraints on her, according to the report.

She also shouted to the family member, “Are you happy now?” the report said.

The report indicated Trooper McClure freed herself from her leg restraints after a few minutes of violent kicking. At this point, Officer Joseph Francese, Lt. Donald Ball and three state police troopers arrived to provide backup, the report said.

Trooper McClure was carried to a police car, booked in Holden and later taken to UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester for evaluation after she began punching the cinderblock in her cell and making threats to take her life, according to the report.

Holden Police Chief George R. Sherrill said the officers involved did not suffer any injuries. He indicated police had been called to the residence for disturbances in the past. He said Thursday’s events are being investigated by the Holden and state police.


Posted by: srf13

That's really too bad for everyone involved. I hope the trooper gets some help, and the kids are alright. I know Greg Sculthorpe, and he's a real good guy. This is going to be red meat for the media...


Posted by: frapmpd24

Being in a situation having to lock up someone else on the job is definately not ideal. From the media hounds jumping on these stories to the potential agency conflicts that arise during these types of arrests it no good for anyone. Having said that, any object getting swung at me or others means time for the bracelets. Hope eveything works out for all involved, whatever that entails.


Posted by: Dogma20001

Maybe her head wasn't held down in the toilet long enough! Seriously, it just goes to show that just cause you have a badge doesn't mean you are perfect. Everybody has a bad day now and then or does something they will regret once in a while(not according to some troopers who post here, I'm actually not kidding about that, some of them will have you think they live, breathe and eat being a trooper 24/7. Good for them, they are usually the ones that are nobody else on the job can stand.) If it happened to one of us(not being on the job), it probably never would of made it to the papers. Media sucks for the most part. Peace


Posted by: clarkiek

I do believe that MSP had her on the way out anyway. MSP was doing there job of getting her out, but thanks to all these unions that help the #%ck ups retain there jobs is the real shame. I believe her boyfriend is a lot worse?


Posted by: bbelichick

Yes, f*ck the Unions. That way, the brass can just fire anyone they don't like! That would rule!

There is NOW WAY that you are a real cop, Clarkiek. You are way too stupid.


Posted by: EOD1

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbelichick
Yes, f*ck the Unions. That way, the brass can just fire anyone they don't like! That would rule!

There is NOW WAY that you are a real cop, Clarkiek. You are way too stupid.
hey tell us how u really feel!


Posted by: MARINECOP

Her boyfriend is bad news and from what I know she is following his foot steps, but I won't reveal specifics here on this site. The media is always watching. Alot more to that story than meets the eye.


Posted by: Curious EMT

Sorry for every other MSP trooper that will lie in her shadow for times to come.

And what is it with femals cops dating idiots?


Posted by: Crvtte65

What about females that are dating idiots in general?


Posted by: kttref

You all calling my husband an idiot?

I hate to tell you guys, but females date idiots, because that's what we have on our plate...

Regardless, this situation is a shame. Obviously there are so many more details that we don't know (most of us anyway), and honestly, it's not our problem. I just hope this gets resolved quickly and efficiently.


Posted by: ratwatcher

SHE HAS BEEN A SECTION 12 FOR YEARS! BYE BYE NUT CASE!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curious EMT
Sorry for every other MSP trooper that will lie in her shadow for times to come.

And what is it with femals cops dating idiots?



Posted by: clarkiek

[quote=bbelichick]Yes, f*ck the Unions. That way, the brass can just fire anyone they don't like! That would rule!

Well, if you are not a f%ck up and do your job you do not need a union to help retain all the idiots that should not be on the job. If you are smart you can work with any administration.


Posted by: Wolfman

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkiek
Well, if you are not a f%ck up and do your job you do not need a union to help retain all the idiots that should not be on the job. If you are smart you can work with any administration.

If you're a suckup and a rat you can work for any administration without Union protection. What color is the sky in your world?


Posted by: JoninNH

You're crazy or you're a rat if you think that you don't need a union in MA LE.

(Looks like someone already beat me to it. )


Posted by: clarkiek

[quote=JoninNH] You're crazy or you're a rat if you think that you don't need a union in MA LE.

last time I checked this is mass cops not cow cops in NH


Posted by: kttref

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkiek
last time I checked this is mass cops not cow cops in NH

There are members of this board from various locations. It is a place to share ideas and get help with certain questions about LE. In fact, take a look around, some of the Mods aren't from MA....so, get over yourself.


Posted by: srf13

Clark, if you knew how many good people struggled to get on the job in Mass, and then were welcomed by other states; you might bite your tongue. Slow it down...


Posted by: clarkiek

[quote=srf13]Clark, if you knew how many good people struggled to get on the job in Mass, and then were welcomed by other states; you might bite your tongue. Slow it down... \

Hey just having some fun with my neighbor in NH thats all


Posted by: OciferpeteHPD3500

Hey let me just say that in my 6 six years on the job I have seen honest people go through IA's that were later found cleared and did absolutely nothing wrong. But because a letter was written the Brass had to follow the enitre process by the book. The UNIONS is what keeps honest cops safe.

Oh yea don't knock on NH. Although I live in MA but NH departments actaully hire the right way. If you score over 70 come for a physical. If you can hac the run, sit ups, push ups come in for an interview. This is where they meet the canidate and say hey he or she has military or a college degree instead this person who just woke up and decided to take a test. In stead on the MA way he he has an active license and hasbn't been CAUGHT doinf anything bad lets hire this person or lets hire this person because they can meet are quoata. NH departments don't do this becuase if you only pick apples from one tree you will get bad ones. This meesgage was paid for by New Hampshire Police Officers.

Clark are you even a cop?


Posted by: clarkiek

I totally agree with the test procedure in NH as well as in the Connecticut State Police. Passing the test is one part of a series of tests in the process. Enough of that lets get back to the real reason this thread got started. Yes, Iam a cop


Posted by: kttref

CSP and local municipalities in CT do it the same way...Just so you know for future reference.


Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkiek
Yes, Iam a cop
That's funny...Clarkiek's profile USED to say "Sheriff's Deputy"

Now it says "Law Enforcement"...

So the answer to the question "Clarkiek, are you a cop?" is NO.


Posted by: popo

My crystal ball told me that he works for Middlesex Sheriff K-9 and PT officer on a PD.


Posted by: bbelichick

So, NOT A COP?


Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbelichick
So, NOT A COP?
OUCH !!!!


Posted by: RPD931

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbelichick
So, NOT A COP?
There are Cops, there are deputies, and then there's arrogant people. Where do you fall?

I believe the previous post stated he was a PT'er somewhere. I show equal repect and treatment to all, fellow Cops, Troopers, Deputies, DOC, and CLEO's. It's called professionalism. All these positions are LE, they just have different duties and power limitations.

my .02


Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:
Originally Posted by RPD931
There are Cops, there are deputies, and then there's arrogant people. Where do you fall?
I believe the previous post stated he was a PT'er somewhere. I show equal repect and treatment to all, fellow Cops, Troopers, Deputies, DOC, and CLEO's. It's called professionalism. All these positions are LE, they just have different duties and power limitations.
my .02
I am a F/T Cop who doesn't appreciate someone who wants to take other people's job through political means. Read Clarkiek's posts. it's obvious where his allegience lies. He loves the Sheriffs because he thinks that is his ticket to a Police job.

You claim to give "equal respect", Do you give "equal respect" to a 10 year F/T Police Officer as well as a guy who works a couple of shifts a month and may be a Janitor in his real job? Respect is EARNED, not just handed to you.

This is a career, not a hobby. It involves ongoing development through experience and constant training. I am sure if a Reserve Intermittent Surgeon walked into the Operating Room to work on a member of your family you would not be happy.


Posted by: Killjoy

[quote][ I am sure if a Reserve Intermittent Surgeon walked into the Operating Room to work on a member of your family you would not be happy./QUOTE]
Funny!


Posted by: mpd61

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbelichick
You claim to give "equal respect", Do you give "equal respect" to a 10 year F/T Police Officer as well as a guy who works a couple of shifts a month and may be a Janitor in his real job? Respect is EARNED, not just handed to you.

This is a career, not a hobby. It involves ongoing development through experience and constant training. I am sure if a Reserve Intermittent Surgeon walked into the Operating Room to work on a member of your family you would not be happy.
Jeezus!
Supah-troupah goes overboard again!! bbelichick you never cease to amaze me with your fervent superiority rants. PLEASE get over yourself. I'm willing to bet there might be a couple of P/T cops in the commonwealth who are as good or better a cop than YOU. It might be because their other job complements their L.E. function. They might even be that "janitor" you mentioned who has great potential and a positive attitude and is putting in his time and paying his dues. Not everybody can be perfect like you.



Posted by: msw

Quote:
Originally Posted by RPD931
There are Cops, there are deputies, and then there's arrogant people. Where do you fall?

I believe the previous post stated he was a PT'er somewhere. I show equal repect and treatment to all, fellow Cops, Troopers, Deputies, DOC, and CLEO's. It's called professionalism. All these positions are LE, they just have different duties and power limitations.

my .02
Do most Massachusetts municipal and State Police Officers tend to view Deputy Sheriff's as "not real cops"? Is that because in Mass they do not have "patrol" duties? Or, is it something else? Less training? Political appointments? What?


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by msw
Do most Massachusetts municipal and State Police Officers tend to view Deputy Sheriff's as "not real cops"? Is that because in Mass they do not have "patrol" duties? Or, is it something else? Less training? Political appointments? What?
We don't view them as cops, because...well, they aren't cops. That's not a swipe at deputy sheriffs. As a matter of fact, I have the utmost respect for deputy sheriffs and corrections officers, because they do a job I'm not sure I could do myself. Whenever I make a traffic stop on a deputy or a CO, I always extend them the same courtesy I extend to any other brother/sister LEO.

However, the truth is that they're not cops. That doesn't diminish their vital role in the criminal justice system, it's just reality. Cops respond to crimes in progress, as well as investigate, detain, and arrest criminal suspects. Deputy sheriffs don't do that, nor are they trained to do that.

Several years ago, a very high-profile criminal escaped from a sheriff's van at court. His girlfriend had passed him a handcuff key during a visitation kiss, and he used that to escape. The sheriff's department flooded the area of the suspect's LKA, which is understandable. However, whenever I would make a traffic stop or take any other enforcement action nearby, I'd get a couple of deputy sheriffs, eager to "back me up", apparently they had scanners. I always waved them off, simply because I didn't know them, I didn't know how they were trained, and I didn't know how they'd react at crunch time. If I was getting my ass kicked, then anyone feel free to jump in, but I don't want an unknown commodity when I'm trying to sort things out.

That would be like me arriving at a construction site, dressed like a carpenter, and offering to work. How do the veteran carpenters know that I have the slightest idea of what I'm doing?


Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd61
Jeezus!
Supah-troupah goes overboard again!! bbelichick you never cease to amaze me with your fervent superiority rants. PLEASE get over yourself. I'm willing to bet there might be a couple of P/T cops in the commonwealth who are as good or better a cop than YOU.
Sure, go ahead and bet if you have money to lose. This has nothing to do with the superiority of Troopers or Locals or whatever. This is about being a police officer, State, Local, College. Guys who do it for a living value it more, put time into it and have EXPERIENCE, in my opinion the single most important factor in a cops performance.

Quote:
It might be because their other job complements their L.E. function. They might even be that "janitor" you mentioned who has great potential and a positive attitude and is putting in his time and paying his dues. Not everybody can be perfect like you.
For the 400th time, this is a CAREER. It is not a hobby. When are people going to stop defending the P/T guys and realize we trivialize ourselves and our career choice by claiming that part timers are "as good or better" than full timers?

Do we allow part time Doctors? Lawyers? Police are a VITAL element of society, and yet somehow it's ok to give some guy a gun, a cruiser and the ability to remove someone's freedom because he went to a class at a hack academy on the weekend for a few months.

Part timers are NOT as good as full time cops. PERIOD. Stop playing "Mr. Friendly" and admit it. Practice makes perfect. The crap I have seen from P/T guys would make your head spin. Taking a person into custody on "suspicion of OUI pending the BT"??? Letting people go with a warning on Domestic Assaults? I could go on for hours. Horrible reports, no patrol procedures, tactics etc...

If you are a full time cop and you think that Part Timers are "as good" as you, QUIT.

Those of us who are full time cops know how little we know when we first start on Patrol by ourselves, and that is after a full time academy and FTO period...Rookie errors are made, things get messed up. Picture yourself doing the job with no experience, a horrible academy, a half-assed FTO period and you have a recipe for disaster.


Posted by: PBC FL Cop

We aren't doctors or lawyers, we're public servants, who took a test or an interview, went thru apprx 12 to 26 weeks of training and became peace officers. I've worked just about every crime out there and it's NOT brain surgery.

This job is a hobby to alot of cops out there, something to fill the gaps between their overtime or detail shifts. We all know people who are retired on-the-job or care only about their paycheck and making money.

I've seen troopers do things that made me shake my head and if you've been on long enough, so have have you. But that goes for any agency.

I'm sure your a good cop and you obviously believe the MSP is the best agency out there and personally I've never had a problem with pride in ones agency, its a good thing, but a test and an academy doesn't make one a good cop. There is good and bad in EVERY agency, as this post has pointed out. Common sense is the biggest asset in police work and unfortunately you CAN'T teach common sense.

No one on this board knows exactly what every other agency has for personnel, so to blanket the Middlesex Sheriff's Office as a bunch untrained hacks is unfair and the fact they are in New Orleans right now risking their lives and having to be away from their families should be applauded, not ridiculed based on personal feelings or prejudices.

Stay safe and look out for each other!!!


Posted by: mikemac64

Actually, there are part-time doctors and lawyers. The difference is to engage in such professional careers on a part time basis, and most other fields for that matter (CPA, engineer, etc), you must have completed the same training and educational requirements, and generally paid your dues and proven your worth as a full timer.

I would have an easier time accepting part-time officers if they came from the full time ranks. Sort of the perfect situation for say a female Officer who decides to have a family. Even then it would be dubious, but certainly more in line than what is commonly used as an example of partime vs. full time, especially when referencing the doctor/lawyer example.

After all, I would guess most of the part-time lawyers and doctors we frequently speak of were full time in those professions. I would also guess that most of the part-time lawyers and doctors are females who decided it was time to start a family. But again, they have completed all of the same educational and training requirement as their full time counterparts.

Just my .02.


Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:
Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop
We aren't doctors or lawyers, we're public servants, who took a test or an interview, went thru apprx 12 to 26 weeks of training and became peace officers. I've worked just about every crime out there and it's NOT brain surgery.
Sure, of course it's not. But neither are a lot of things and I wouldn't want someone who is doing a dangerous, sometimes complicated and rather important job to be a "Law Enforcement Enthusiast"

Quote:
This job is a hobby to alot of cops out there, something to fill the gaps between their overtime or detail shifts. We all know people who are retired on-the-job or care only about their paycheck and making money.
99% of those that are "Retired on Duty" are veterans that did the job a long time and have the experience to fall back on in a pinch. Joe Blow the Security Guard at Wal-Mart that is also a p/t Cop doesn't cut it.

Quote:
I've seen troopers do things that made me shake my head and if you've been on long enough, so have have you. But that goes for any agency.
Sure, but there is a common ground and that is our Academy, Training and FTO period. A F/T guy who screws up can be held accountable because of those things.

Quote:
I'm sure your a good cop and you obviously believe the MSP is the best agency out there and personally I've never had a problem with pride in ones agency, its a good thing, but a test and an academy doesn't make one a good cop. There is good and bad in EVERY agency, as this post has pointed out.
Like I said this isn't about MSP vs. Local PD vs. College. This is REAL, F/T Cops vs guys who do it a few times a month if at all and stand around on Details.

Quote:
Common sense is the biggest asset in police work and unfortunately you CAN'T teach common sense.
Common Sense coupled with EXPERIENCE.

Quote:
No one on this board knows exactly what every other agency has for personnel, so to blanket the Middlesex Sheriff's Office as a bunch untrained hacks is unfair and the fact they are in New Orleans right now risking their lives and having to be away from their families should be applauded, not ridiculed based on personal feelings or prejudices.

Stay safe and look out for each other!!!
The fact of the matter is that they ARE untrained hacks by their very nature. I have all the respect in the world for the COunty SD's in California, Georgia, Florida, etc. They are Police, have been trained as Police, patrol as police, etc.

These guys are either "favored" C/O's or buddies/allies of the Sheriff and are handed their badges. They are not equal to you or 99% of the Sheriff's Deputies in the country.


Posted by: screamineagle

how did this get from "holden pd arrests trooper" to "lets bash the part timers"?


Posted by: K9Vinny

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbelichick
Sure, go ahead and bet if you have money to lose. This has nothing to do with the superiority of Troopers or Locals or whatever. This is about being a police officer, State, Local, College. Guys who do it for a living value it more, put time into it and have EXPERIENCE, in my opinion the single most important factor in a cops performance.



For the 400th time, this is a CAREER. It is not a hobby. When are people going to stop defending the P/T guys and realize we trivialize ourselves and our career choice by claiming that part timers are "as good or better" than full timers?

Do we allow part time Doctors? Lawyers? Police are a VITAL element of society, and yet somehow it's ok to give some guy a gun, a cruiser and the ability to remove someone's freedom because he went to a class at a hack academy on the weekend for a few months.

Part timers are NOT as good as full time cops. PERIOD. Stop playing "Mr. Friendly" and admit it. Practice makes perfect. The crap I have seen from P/T guys would make your head spin. Taking a person into custody on "suspicion of OUI pending the BT"??? Letting people go with a warning on Domestic Assaults? I could go on for hours. Horrible reports, no patrol procedures, tactics etc...

If you are a full time cop and you think that Part Timers are "as good" as you, QUIT.

Those of us who are full time cops know how little we know when we first start on Patrol by ourselves, and that is after a full time academy and FTO period...Rookie errors are made, things get messed up. Picture yourself doing the job with no experience, a horrible academy, a half-assed FTO period and you have a recipe for disaster.

Yes, perhaps the only thing more dangerous than having a part timer or deputy sheriff back you up is a FEMALE officer. Speaking from experience, I have been left high and dry on several occassions by my female partner. That is, of course, excluding those female officers who are also "softball players", who, might be more male than I.


Posted by: massirishcop

Has not been a good month so far for the M.S.P.


Posted by: RPD931

Quote:

Like I said this isn't about MSP vs. Local PD vs. College. This is REAL, F/T Cops vs guys who do it a few times a month if at all and stand around on Details.

What about PT guys that work 3 shifts EACH WEEK? and works on investigations as well? ... and then in his/her free time (between the PD and FT job) works details.

Quote:
Letting people go with a warning on Domestic Assaults?

Interesting, I've seen this a couple times from different Full-timers, in a couple of different PD's.


Posted by: Wolfman

Let's stay on topic. The last few posts here have more or less nothing to do with the first. There are plenty of other open threads for those who are in the mood for bag-kicking.


Posted by: ratwatcher

Quote:
Originally Posted by OciferpeteHPD3500
Hey let me just say that in my 6 six years on the job I have seen honest people go through IA's that were later found cleared and did absolutely nothing wrong. But because a letter was written the Brass had to follow the enitre process by the book. The UNIONS is what keeps honest cops safe.

Oh yea don't knock on NH. Although I live in MA but NH departments actaully hire the right way. If you score over 70 come for a physical. If you can hac the run, sit ups, push ups come in for an interview. This is where they meet the canidate and say hey he or she has military or a college degree instead this person who just woke up and decided to take a test. In stead on the MA way he he has an active license and hasbn't been CAUGHT doinf anything bad lets hire this person or lets hire this person because they can meet are quoata. NH departments don't do this becuase if you only pick apples from one tree you will get bad ones. This meesgage was paid for by New Hampshire Police Officers.

Clark are you even a cop?
GO CHASE A COW MR. NH COP! WHAT A CLOWN........


Posted by: Wolfman

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