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Posted by: MiamiVice

Just to let everyone know you must fill out the application in person. That will then hold a seat for you on Oct 25th for a written test. There is also a cooper standards PT test. Also EVERYONE must attened their 20 week academey, no exceptions, full time MPOC, etc, dosen't matter according to their HR people.

I don't work there, or know anyone who does, I am just posting what I heard from the Sheriff's Dept. HR people today.

Ken

Posted by: pguitard

Are the Sheriff's just CO's? I have applied for the next test and was curious before I persued this any further.

Posted by: Drew

Middlesex Sheriffs are starting to expand out into the communities somewhat. I know they now have a mobile incident command post and a very elaborate S.O.U. response team. I have even heard a rumor that they have an application into NEMLEC. They are starting to send people to MCJTC academies. They have opened a new training academy in Billerica and the Middlesex Sheriff's academy is close to being an MCJTC academy. Just a little info. Anything else I can help with, let me know.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Middlesex does some Task Force work, similar to our department as well.

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Originally Posted by Drew

Middlesex Sheriffs are starting to expand out into the communities somewhat. I know they now have a mobile incident command post and a very elaborate S.O.U. response team. I have even heard a rumor that they have an application into NEMLEC. They are starting to send people to MCJTC academies. They have opened a new training academy in Billerica and the Middlesex Sheriff's academy is close to being an MCJTC academy. Just a little info. Anything else I can help with, let me know.

I was in Tewksbury a couple of weeks ago and I saw a building on Rte 38 that said Middlesex Sheriffs Office Training center or something like that. Is that where they run there training I thought it was in Billerica.

Posted by: Drew

Hunter,

As far as I know, the Middlesex Sheriff's Academy had a "Grand Opening" a few weeks ago at the new Billerica location on Route 3A. I will inquire further about this and get back to you.

Posted by: tomahawk

Drew, I am pretty sure you are correct; the Middlesex Sheriffs are leasing what used to be the Ditson Elementary School on 3A in Billerica for training purposes. I have not seen the Tewksbury site, guess I should open my eyes since I am on that road at least once a day...

-Mike

Posted by: thumper2168

Judging by how many "Deputies" we "arrest" they are not even close to MCJTC status. THe DOC should take them over and they can pt their checkbooks away so that they dont have to keep givng to the Sen's and the Rep's

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Originally Posted by thumper2168

Judging by how many "Deputies" we "arrest" they are not even close to MCJTC status. THe DOC should take them over and they can pt their checkbooks away so that they dont have to keep givng to the Sen's and the Rep's

UH?

Posted by: RPD931

Thumper,

Middlesex County Dep's are JUST starting to expand into LE roles (MCJTC). There are still tons of idiots there whom got on when the Academy was shorter/less training. I spoke to one deputy doing a road detail awhile back and he told me that the Sheriff has been offering/encouraging Dep's to take LE and specialized training and has been sending a few to MPOC and many to the Reserve academy. He also told me that the Sheriff is looking to expand their LE roles through the county. Even the Deputy doing the detail acknowledged that there are tons of idiots who should not be working within the dept.. He also said the Sheriff has made some serious changes to his hiring and training processes so you should see more "better quality" Deputies around very soon. He also indacted that the they're trying to add more LE training to the academy....so don't be surprised to see that the Academy becomes both Corrections and MPOC certified.

Bristol County Deja Vous? At least we can hope they'll be better trained.

Posted by: thumper2168

Yes, they are trying to hire better quality guys BUT, Flynn the Union buster that he is, is giving all the money that should be going to towns and cities to the Sheriff's. I am sick of politics in Mass and that is what the Sheriff's are. I love meeting a Major who has TWO years on the job...They want to come out and patrol the road?? Look at all the stories about the riots in the jails because of lack of funding or understaffing. Yes look we'll get these CO's yelling but we just want to do a job. We'll do it and if you want on the road take the test... When the Berlin, Everett PO or Trooper that really needs that nomex or chem suit when the^%&$^ hits the fan who's gonna have it?? I was a CO and I wanted to get on the road I took the test. If the Sheriifs come out it's gonna be a joke. Like you said they are hiring better guys but take care of the jails first they cant even do that. Dipaulo and Hodgsen (sp??) are two of a kind, hacks that give jobs to other hacks so they can swell their political influence. Just like Flynn who took the money from the control of our local chiefs and gave it to the Mayors. Why would you do that?? So that he has the mayor in the bag now....

Posted by: ryan933

It is very simple. County level government is all about politics. The best thing Romney could do for this state is abolish ALL forms of county government!

Ryan

Posted by: LeadDog17

****** WARNING ****************

This thread is about information regarding the Middlesex Sheriffs exam/hiring process/job. Please don't let it degrade into a political battle. If you want to argue the politics, start another thread - be for warned that we've already been down this road and everything worth stating has been said.

Thank You,
Eric

Posted by: Rollydog

The Middlesex Sheriff's Office just like every other department in the Commonwealth has it's fair share of good officers and it's fair share of idiots. Sheriff DiPaola is hiring quality people and running a much better training academy, 18 weeks including first responder, reserve PO training, defensive driving, MGL's ect... I know some COs are better qualified to work the street than those already working the street. Not all - just some!!!!!!!

Hey thumper
If your sick of politics in MA, I think you better move. The state of MA is run by politics, in the sheriff's offices, state house, govenors office and even every aspect of your home town and department is run POLITICS. Politics are everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Wolfman

:OT: Crack cocaine is everywhere as well, doesn't mean it's right or we should tolerate it.

Serve your purpose and let others serve theirs.

Posted by: LeadDog17

First, same thing MT1 said ^^^^

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Originally Posted by Rollydog

I know some COs are better qualified to work the street than those already working the street. Not all - just some!!!!!!!

CO's are qualified to work in the correctional facilities, not on the street. That's why they are hired and trained. The have no purpose on the street - there are no facilities or prisoners to be monitored on the street!

Posted by: PearlOnyx

So just to clairfy your answer, that Sheriff's aren't quailfied to work on the street, a Reserve Police Officer is qualified to work on the street, but a Deputy Sheriff isn't? Last time I checked, I attended the MCJTC Reserve Academy, Updates every year, and several specialty training classes with various agencies. But for some strange reason, a Reserve is qualifed and I am not? This isn't a personal attack, but I'm just trying to see the logic in your answers.

Posted by: LeadDog17

Sorry Pearl, that wasn't meant to be offensive, I was being obnoxiously anal and facetious.
:P

I wasn't referring to deputys. He said Corrections Officers. I was just saying that literally a "corrections officer" shouldn't be on the street, he should be in the jail. Implying a distinction between CO and Deputy.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Ahh I see, I haven't been around for a few weeks. Missed part of the post. I agree "Corrections Officers" legally and in actuallity aren't qualified to work on the street. A lot of people use the word Deputy and CO interchangebly. I thought that was the case here, but stand corrected.

Posted by: Gregg3785

Rumor around Bean Town has the Sheriff being checked out for some type of $300,000 mobile command post they acquired through a federal grant. Word has it the grant apllication wasnt exactly honest and the feds feel as though they have been fooled by Middlesex Sheriff. Anyone else hear bout this??

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I was in Cambridge court today and I was talking to someone they where saying the same thing, we were curious as to what happens now, I think there going to be able to keep it ( the moblie command truck that is) this from what one of the middlesex guy was saying.

Posted by: bpd145

A little FYI on the command post and then some...

I don't know if anyone here has seen it or been in it, but the $300,000 price tag was only about a third of the cost. The price tag was in the high $800k range. I will say the although it is quite impressive, I cannot see the need for such an elaborate mobile unit for a stationary facility. The Office also purchased a $150K armored vehicle, which at the time of purchase was only the 4th of its kind delived in the United States.

Tax money at work to keep the dirtbags behind bars.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

I have heard that Middlesex purchased the armored vehicle. I can see an actual corrections use for this. It's a very good tool for tactical hostage rescue inside a facility. However, the cost surprises me. I know the DOC owns three of them, and from what I have heard, they paid considerably less, by buying them surplus through the millitary.

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by PearlOnyx

I have heard that Middlesex purchased the armored vehicle. I can see an actual corrections use for this. It's a very good tool for tactical hostage rescue inside a facility. However, the cost surprises me. I know the DOC owns three of them, and from what I have heard, they paid considerably less, by buying them surplus through the millitary.

Absolutely Pearl-jam!

I believe from their looks they are old M119 APV's. I saw them at Walpole couple of years back going from Camoflage to DOC Blue at the new paint shop at the MCI. They may even have been cheaper than you think coming from Massachusetts National Guard as transfer! That was what I was told then.

Maybe when the 102nd Fighter at Otis gets F-22's the old F-15's can go to Sheriff's or the "turtle squad"

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Originally Posted by bpd145

A little FYI on the command post and then some...

I don't know if anyone here has seen it or been in it, but the $300,000 price tag was only about a third of the cost. The price tag was in the high $800k range. I will say the although it is quite impressive, I cannot see the need for such an elaborate mobile unit for a stationary facility. The Office also purchased a $150K armored vehicle, which at the time of purchase was only the 4th of its kind delived in the United States.

Tax money at work to keep the dirtbags behind bars.

I been in both vehicles, The Sheriff sent them to a parade we had in Everett. Personally I thought the armored vehicle was cool, it was full of there Tact Team guys, I was impressed. However the Mobile command unit, has been sent here on more than one occasion, it was pretty cool. Funny though when I asked one of the Deputies about why they have such a vehicle and what the need was, he said its for the cities and towns in Middlesex, Upon elaberating about it he said it was purchased to assit the communities whatever there need is, hence the parade we where at.

He said it was for us to operate and they Deputies where there to intruct how what did what (like an instruction manual). It looked cool roadside all lit up, and it was great to get out of the cold in and peek at the video monitors but other than that I dont see what all the hype is over it. Its not like we really need it.

We just got our own so we definitley dont need the Sheriffs now, grant its alot small (cubevan style) but its not a loaner w/ ahigh price tag to justify.

Posted by: Rollydog

Hunter

I've seen the one that Everett purchased and they should have used the money somewhere else. The MSO's is far better, and the PD as always asked for the sheriffs' command vehicle. Your right, it was purchased for not only the MSO but for any one who may want it for things such as parades, fairs or even, god help us, THE BIG ONE!!!!

If that sheriff can find the money to purchase vehicles or any other equipment to help the 54 cities and towns why shouldn't he???? It's all about having the proper equipment when you need it, right......

hey good luck to anyone who can find money and purchase equipment.

Posted by: LeadDog17

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Originally Posted by Rollydog

If that sheriff can find the money to purchase vehicles or any other equipment to help the 54 cities and towns why shouldn't he???? It's all about having the proper equipment when you need it, right......

Or, the same money could go to an agency that could use it to the benefit of 300 cities and towns.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollydog

Hunter

I've seen the one that Everett purchased and they should have used the money somewhere else. The MSO's is far better, and the PD as always asked for the sheriffs' command vehicle. Your right, it was purchased for not only the MSO but for any one who may want it for things such as parades, fairs or even, god help us, THE BIG ONE!!!!

If that sheriff can find the money to purchase vehicles or any other equipment to help the 54 cities and towns why shouldn't he???? It's all about having the proper equipment when you need it, right......

hey good luck to anyone who can find money and purchase equipment.

Ok I go along with Everett using the $ somewhere else, however it was grant $ I believe alocated to that type of vehicle, but if was just spare $ they had laying around, then absoulutley it could've been better spent, ie more officers.

But my point about the Sheriffs unit was it really wasnt needed, it just looked like overkill. But hey if he (the sheriff) was asked to bring the vehicle then fine, I dont know the particulars, but along with the grant for there moble unit did it come with extra $ to man it, I doubt it. So some positions get rearrainged to be on the unit and run it. Its to bad they could hire more officers/deputies w that grant $.

And to boot there are rumors circulating the Sheriff lied to obtain the grant, keep in mind there rumors but if there is any validity to the rumor if he was going to lie to get $ it sure as hell shouldnt have been for a vehicle.

Posted by: Gregg3785

About a year and half ago Middlesex Sheriff's tactical team showed up with their Armored vehicle at Hanscom AFB in Bedford for an airshow being held there. The only thing was that State Police STOP team was also there. Right after the Sheriifs suited up in the tac gear they were approached by the commanding General of the base and the STOP team OIC. Moments later they slowly packed their gear into their very $$$$$$ truck and drove off.........Good or bad, I dunno....But ask any tac guy and they'll tell you that having two seperate teams on the ground at one scene is not a good thing.....Later it was learned that the sheriffs volunteered ( read: no $$$) for the assignment....My opinion is this was not a good thing....

Posted by: Dane

Sounds like a case of putting the cart before the horse. IF a law enforcement entity (and I know that's open to debate on this website) were to start a new unit, shouldn't it be fully funded before it's trotted out before the public? I've heard of many cases of guys from this particular sheriff's office doing parades and other public demonstrations on their own time. That seems like a disaster waiting to happen if someone gets injured. Can anyone from Middlesex enlighten us on whether these details are truly "volunteer" or is there a certain degree of pressure to get out there and grandstand for the sheriff?

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I have heard an seen the same from the aforementioed SO.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by: phuzz01

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Originally Posted by LeadDog17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollydog

Or, the same money could go to an agency that could use it to the benefit of 300 cities and towns.

Like the MBTA Police?

Posted by: SRRerg

The T police can only help 170-something cities and towns...

Posted by: Anonymous

The Sheriffs should stick with jails and process servers. The MSP does a great job with tactical teams and so do the local police departments. I wonder when BIDMCPD will get their command vehicle!!

Posted by: Finding Nemo

command vehicle is not practical in our hospital setting, not at this time anyways..

there are talks that it is budgeted in for next year, along with 2 motorcycles.

Posted by: Finding Nemo

working on a west coast police department i seldom worked alongside the county sheriffs dept, however I dont have any problems if the sheriff agency wants to patrol the streets. the more backup the better............

the Los Angeles county sheriff's was the primary law enforcement in the community where i lived, and they did an outstanding job keeping the streets clean. and they didnt mess around either.

I thought we (lapd ) were tough until i saw a few deputies handeling a suspect on a call !

if mass sheriff deputies want to patrol, they have the proper training why sweat it?

Posted by: Wolfman

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Originally Posted by 9cr57 lapd

if mass sheriff deputies want to patrol, they have the proper training why sweat it?

We've been down that road already more than once on this BBS. Do a search under "sheriff" and "patrol" and I'm sure all your questions will be answered without scratching this one open again. Suffice it to say, "Your not in Kansas anymore!"

Posted by: RPD931

Maybe we should try to be more like "Kansas"...

Posted by: TheFuzz357

This has been beat to death in earlier posts....So if you think we should be more like Kansas, here you go

http://www.cheaptickets.com

One way tickets start at about $225. If you need a ride to Logan, let me know.

Posted by: Wolfman

I'll help finance the ticket. Maybe you'll luck out and find a nice, non-union department there that lets everybody from across the state share jurisdictions in a kind of Cornbelt Kum-Ba-Ya.

Limit your battle of wits to an opponent like LOMAC, you're out of your league here.

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ouch, thats gonna leave a mark.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Hey guys, let's keep this on topic. If there's nothing related left to be said, then I'll close it.

Posted by: thexman

yOU GUYS ARE ALL A BUNCH OF TOOLS. YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THE STUPIDEST THINGS. WHO CARES WHO IS ON THE STREET OR WHO ISNT OR WHO IS TRAINED OR WHO ISNT. WHO CARES IF THE SHERIFFS OFFICE IS GETTING MORE TRAING OR GOING TO THE POLICE ACADEMY.
YOU ALL NEED TO GET LIVES

Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

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Originally Posted by thexman";p=&quot

WHO CARES WHO IS ON THE STREET OR WHO ISNT OR WHO IS TRAINED OR WHO ISNT.

I think A LOT of people should care about that!

And do you realize how OLD and DEAD these topics are?

Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Originally Posted by thexman";p=&quot

yOU GUYS ARE ALL A BUNCH OF TOOLS. YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THE STUPIDEST THINGS. WHO CARES WHO IS ON THE STREET OR WHO ISNT OR WHO IS TRAINED OR WHO ISNT. WHO CARES IF THE SHERIFFS OFFICE IS GETTING MORE TRAING OR GOING TO THE POLICE ACADEMY.
YOU ALL NEED TO GET LIVES

What's the matter xman? you afraid of loosing that badge you paid for by carring a sign on a street corner?

Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

Oh SNAP!

Baby, why you do him dat way?

Posted by: Wolfman

Quote:

Originally Posted by thexman";p=&quot

YOU ALL NEED TO GET LIVES

You need to learn how the "Caps Lock" key works.

Posted by: thexman

"BOO HOO BOO HOO I HATE DUPUTY SHERIFF'S THEIR NOT TRAINED"
WHO CARES
WHAT A BUNCH OF WEIRDOS
i'LL BET ALL YOU GUYS ARE THOSE TOOLS WHO HAVE LIL BLUE LIGHTS IN YOUR CARS AND TALK COP TALK ALL THE TIME USING WORDS LIKE NEGATIVE AND DISREGARD

CUCKOO CUCKOO

Posted by: USMCMP5811

Xman, why don't you STFU!

I think this should serve as his Final warning. Better yet, someone ban this troll.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Last Time I Checked, this was about the Middlesex Sheriff's Department, right? Yep. This is way off topic...closed.

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