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Posted by: 2-Delta

Just for shits n' giggles wondering what kind of car people would pick for their dept if they could (within reasonable cost and practical applications).


Posted by: fscpd907

We have two fully marked 99 Ford Explorers and a low profile 2003 Ford Taurus. Both Explorers look very "Police" / not a big fan of the Taurus but since its low profile and has a great light package its not that bad. My vote is CV and it should win in a landslide.


Posted by:

Volvo s70


Posted by: Thimios315

If I had my choice, I would take the new Mercury Marauder. That would

be a very fun, and practical patrol car. Wouldn't that be nice !


Posted by: RPD931

Gotta love the Ford Explorers! I work for a dept. that has:

1 - '97 Crown Vic
2 - '98 Crown Vics
1 - '99 Ford Expedition
1 - '02 Ford Ranger
1 - '02 Ford Explorer...the sharpest.

They all have the same scheme, just the Explorer and Expedition look better marketing wise.


Posted by: Fubu1383

My department had an Impala as a supervisor's car....that quickly got tossed because the sergeant couldnt fit in the driver's seat!


Posted by: 2-Delta

Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who isn't a big fan of the new Impalas.


Posted by: TheFuzz357

I'm assuming that most of those that have replied have only driven a crown vic for a cruiser. Those of us that were fortunate enough to have a '95/96 Chevy Caprice can appreciate the difference. With a tap of the gas you took off like a rocket. It literally pushed you back into the seat. I suppose when the power plant is a LT1 350 (yes, a corvette LT1) it has to make a difference. They were also not governed/chipped out at any speed. They faded off somewhere in the 140's depending on if you did any aftermarket upgrades. If so, you could get 150's out of them. They were big and heavy and they stuck to the road. Very rarely did the rear end break loose unless it was because you put too much pedal into it. In 2000 I got my new CV. It looked great, it was very comfortable but I missed the "Holy Sh$%" when you stepped on the gas.

The down side of those Caprices was as they got up in miles they spent a great deal of time getting fixed and not on the road. That is probably why MSP bought the 100K warranty with their 95's. You can still see some of these beasts out on patrol. They more likely than not have 200K+ on the odometer and would still beat a 2003 CV to a call. For those of you interested they will be auctioning off quite a few at the Devens/Ayer MSP Fleet section coming up soon.

Talking to an insider at Chrysler I have been advised that in 2004, Dodge will be coming out with a rear wheel drive Intrepid that boasts a 5.9L Hemi under the hood. That should be interesting!


Posted by: Thimios315

MSP357....I never patrolled in a Caprice, but I drove one in E.V.O.C. with

your boys, Sgt. Charrette and Tpr. Baker. That '95 Caprice beat the '00

Vic that they had there. I can see where you're coming from, 281ci/4.6L

or 350ci/5.7L...........there's no replacement for displacement.


Posted by: MCOA41

1991-1996 Chevy Carpice with the 9c1 engine. Now baby that is a cruiser. Tons of room handles like a dream and more get up, horse power and speed then the C/V. As of 1996 Chevy held 51% of the police cruiser market and most of that was with the caprice. To bad Chevy is not smart enought to bring them back. And yes they are still made by Chevy in Australia and the Middle East.

My Brother is a Special Agent (US ARMY CID) in Kuwaite and he drives the newer Caprices. A little smaller but still with the V* and rear wheel drive. He said it is a nice ride.


Posted by: Bearcat

Any idea how much those chevys will be going for out there in Devens?


Posted by: mazz

fscpd907,
How many miles are on those Explorers?????


Posted by: fscpd907

MAZZ

Car 10 SM-117,000
Car 11 SM-116,000
Car 12 SM-5,000

Down at Ashland Services alot these days.

I saw the new W.I.T. Explorer at AMI in Marlboro SHARP


Posted by: TheFuzz357

When I last inquired with MSP Fleet section they informed me they go to highest bidder. If you are the only bidder, you start low. Some vehicles in the last auction were able to be driven off the lot (with propper plates of course) for a couple hundred bucks! If I were in the market for a used car I would be there.


Posted by: 2-Delta

Just my on what msp357 said, a couple years ago I bought a retired troop E turnpike car for short money and it ran great until I sold it last year. The only thing I had to do was replace the exhaust. Was a hell of a deal.


Posted by: mazz

Quote:
Originally Posted by fscpd907
MAZZ
I saw the new W.I.T. Explorer at AMI in Marlboro SHARP
Fscpd907,

Thanks, we got the new Explorer about a month ago and had our Crown Vic done to match. It does look pretty good.


Posted by: Oscar32

(3) 2003 Crown Vics Marked
(2) 2003 Crown Vics Unmarked
(1) 2006 Ford 500 Unmarked
(1) 2004 Ford Expedition Marked

Lease is up this year on the marked crown vics and we are going with the Hemi Chargers...any thoughts?


Posted by: Andy0921

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar32
(any thoughts?
Mopar don't go far!
Go with 07 cv's!


Posted by: TacEntry1

Quote:
Originally Posted by andy0921
Mopar don't go far!
Go with 07 cv's!

You mean "Mopar or No Car!"


Posted by: Inspector

When I worked patrol Plymouth Fury wasn't bad (yeah I'm old) Chevies had bad front ends and CV could not be beat. Now that I work plainclothes I've had small Dodge something or other (terrible) Mid size Pontiac (never guess your law enforcement) and Ford Taurus with hidden lights, console radio etc. again extremely low profile and for me comfortable. We've also used rentals, Ford Focus, small Ford trucks, Grand Prix, Grand Am for special operations they did the job but couldn't withstand constant pounding (broke some parts on some). Have recently driven the Impala but find it uncomfortable. So I guess if you spend lots of time in a car you should make it a Ford CV or Taurus.


Posted by: SUOKKO

The crown vic will always be the "go to" police vehicle, but the Chevy Caprice made it's mark as a powerhouse. I bet if Chevy brought them back...you would see alot of Dept.'s make the switch.


Posted by: kwflatbed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscar32
(3) 2003 Crown Vics Marked
(2) 2003 Crown Vics Unmarked
(1) 2006 Ford 500 Unmarked
(1) 2004 Ford Expedition Marked

Lease is up this year on the marked crown vics and we are going with the Hemi Chargers...any thoughts?

08-25-2003

Another Old post


Posted by: CJIS

So Here is the Caprice that is made in Ausi


2001



2006 six-litre, 270kW / 362hp V8 engine which delivers a "brutal" 530Nm / 391ft-lbs of torque. Standard equipment includes Electronic Stability Program (ESP), DVD player with twin rear LCD screens, 18" alloy wheels, Bose premium 10 speaker sound system, xenon headlamps and tri-zone electronic climate control. The build quality, ride and overall refinement of the Caprice were all regarded as being superior to the previous model. In Australia, the six speed automatic, 6.0L V8 Caprice


Posted by: Mitpo62

My pick is the 1980 Plymouth Volare! THAT's Amore!


Posted by: sdb29

Well as long as we've brought back an old post, lets bring back an old cruiser-
1975 Plymouth Gran Fury with 440 cid engine and 4 bbl carb. Put the car in drive, keep your foot off the gas or brake, and cruse at 20mph just at idle.
Or how about a 1977 Ford Galaxie 500? So big the front bumper and rear bumper had different zip codes. You could run over a shopping cart and call your partner(on the intercom) and ask if he felt something.


Posted by: Inspector

Ahh...The old Plymouth Fury...someone as old as I!!!!


Posted by: 1moreftrleo

How can you NOT have the new Charger on that poll?
Seriously, have you seen MSP 600?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inspector
Ahh...The old Plymouth Fury...someone as old as I!!!!
I have a buddy with a Fury - you don't see many of those around.


Posted by: Andy0921

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1moreftrleo
How can you NOT have the new Charger on that poll? .
Because dodges suck...


Posted by: 1moreftrleo

... I'm going to pretend i didn't read that.


Posted by: mr.anttrax

No charger because this thread was created like 3 years ago.


Posted by: TacEntry1



Who still wants a CV?


Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

A 93 Ford Taurus the BOMB!!!


Posted by: Andy0921

Quote:
Originally Posted by TacEntry1

Who still wants a CV?
Me....Charger is stupid unless your state police and need the extra power. Crown vic is more comfortable and IMO looks better. Also, the the small windows are stupid.

Here is what a cop from ConnCops wrote about there charger:

Quote:
I have sat in it, and at 6'4 its quite cramped, and im not too fond of the small windows. The deep bucket seats make it tough to get out quickly, and i think with the cage in it, its gonna be tough to even fit a smaller person in the back
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Posted by: OCKS

The Italian State police were given a gift of a Lambergini for the 100th anniversary of the department. It's a real working patrol car, radar, roof lights,medical kits, radios and computer. Pretty sharp.


Posted by: Mitpo62

1986 Dodge Diplomat


Posted by: LandShark9C1

People miss the caprices and now long for the dodges becuase of the power.
CVPI is a good car, but it has less hp, less gas mileage(even though its lighter), and ..was plagued with that nasty exploding gas tank problem than a car that hasn't been made in 10 years.

The sad thing is you know Ford COULD make a CVPI that had enough power to really move.

like the dodge charger or not, I'm glad that someone has thrown another option into the market. It may be just the trick to force Ford or GM to up the ante and make a really great car..... well we can hope anyway.
either way...
CVPI is a nice car but has no balls
Chevy Wimpala is nothing more than a rebadged Lumina- besides its FWD
who even likes to drive a FWD car?


Posted by: Andy0921

Newer models (2005 and up) have the 250hp which is plenty fast...
Ford has some good plans for there future police vehicle..


Posted by: LandShark9C1

yeah, but the thing is Chevy had a cop car with the option of a 260 hp plant starting in 1994.... hell in 94 even the "base" engine was a 4.3V8 with 200 hp

12 years later Ford is just starting to get the hint.

in the mean time, some PDs not effected by the rust belt have sent Caprices to be "refurbished" for about half the price of a new CVPI. (if I remember correctly the price was around 12 or 13 grand, and this was maybe 4-5 years ago, so I'm sure most of those cars have reached the end of thier service life..again.)

Seems that the market is pretty clear about what it wants, but none of the big 3 can seem to "build it right" these days.


Posted by: Andy0921

Quote:
hell in 94 even the "base" engine was a 4.3V8 with 200 hp
The base engine in the 94 cvpi was like 224hp 4.6


Posted by: LandShark9C1

Quote:
The base engine in the 94 cvpi was like 224hp 4.6
I was talking about the chevy engine

I don't know about the 1994 offerings from Ford, but I think you might be misinformed.
My copy of the 1996 Michigan State Police tests say:

1996 Caprice:
base engine:
4.3L V8 265 ci
200hp @ 5000 rpm (SAE NET)
240ft.lbs @ 2400 rpm
1/4 mile 18.05 @ 80.18mph
0-100mph 32.00 seconds
top speed 120 (governed)

option(the majority of caprice police cars had this engine):
5.7L V8 350 ci
260hp @ 5000 rpm (SAE NET)
330 ft.lbs @ 2400 rpm
1/4 mile 16.14 @ 88.00mph
0-100mph 21.47 seconds
top speed 139mph

1996 Ford CVPI

4.6L V8 281 ci
210hp @ 4250 rpm (SAE NET)
270 ft.lbs @ 3250 rpm
1/4 mile 16.89 @ 83.83mph
0-100mph 25.18 seconds
top speed 135 (governed)

MSP numbers don't lie, 10 years later Ford is still lagging in the power plant dept.



also FWIW
I ran a 15.38 @ 91.97 mph at Lebannon Valley Dragway in NY with stock chevy with a 5.7 motor
CVPI stock ran a 16.214 @ 84.27mph
PB is a 14.6 @ 94 but that was in cold weather


Posted by: Andy0921

Not that you have ever driven a 05 or crown vic or ever will but there really not that slow.

Quote:
Originally Posted by reno911_2004
05 Crown Vic They are friggin quick! The power definitely got bumped up. I agree about the ignition, I dropped the keys on a couple occations when getting used to it, I don't know what that change was about.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper
the 05 crown victorias are nice cars ! they are rockets, are comfortable and have excellent control. .
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patroldan81
Love our new CV! Lots of go-go pedal to get into trouble , Only
Quote:
Originally Posted by 40th MPOC#309
I just got assigned an '05 C/V-LOVE IT! Got out of a '00 w/123K on it-like night and day. I like the new fat steering wheel, but I agree w/you guys on the ignition key size, smaller is not better. It also has rack and pinion steering, I wonder how it will hold up versus the old steering box? I've been anointed the cruiser maint. troop-what do you guys think of switching the fleet over to Mobil 1???
Edit

I cant edit a typo!Damn!


Posted by: MM1799

I really hope none of you were the dude I caught snooping around A-1 snapping pics of the cruisers...


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by LandShark9C1
CVPI is a nice car but has no balls
I just got a 2007 CVPI, and trust me, it has PLENTY of balls. I don't notice much of a difference compared to my brother's Caprice with the LT-1 engine. Just because you were stupid enough to buy a retired police car doesn't make it the end-all. The ergonomics on the Chevy suck, and it's 10 year-old technology.

If you were a cop you'd know the car doesn't matter as much as who's driving it. I once caught a stolen 5.7 IROC while driving a 1990 Crown Vic with the wimpy 5.0 engine, so raw power doesn't mean crap.


Posted by: LandShark9C1

Quote:
I just got a 2007 CVPI, and trust me, it has PLENTY of balls.
well I don't know about "plenty", but it's a step in the right direction, 250hp plus a 3.55 gear ratio, the caprice only had 3.08 gears.
(remember...alot of people on this board drive the CVPI, which has more power than alot of things on the road, but to someone who is used to hanging around the track....cars running 14,15,16 second 1/4 mile times are slow- like I don't consider my chevy to be "fast"....maybe fast "for a 4400lb car with a stock motor" but thats it)

new CVPI has similar power to the old caprice and in the past 10 years has gotten much needed upgrades
anyone who has driven them will most likely agree that newer CVPIs handle alot better than the old chevys, among other things. I never said the newer CVPI's "suck", all I said was that Ford could build a much better car if they wanted to...so can GM, and Dodge for that matter.

Cars like the CVPI/caprice/ large domestic sedans have more steel to move than smaller cars with the same hp. More frequently new cars have 200-300 hp engines from the factory, hell my mothers new car is rated at 250hp and its a Saturn. not uncommon these days to see mid sized sedans and coupes advertised with those numbers. So why isnt Ford beefing up the motor to match the power of say dodge?
just food for thought.


and yes, many times "it's not so much the arrow, it's the indian"
practical driving skills and knowlege of vehicle dynamics go a long way.
example- I have seen a NYSP in a beat up caprice police car turned taxicab with over 200k, loose steering/suspension, on bald tires, and no rear brakes run faster lap times on the autocross track than a guy in a brand new GTO.


Quote:
I really hope none of you were the dude I caught snooping around A-1 snapping pics of the cruisers...
why would anyone need to do that? they all look the same.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by LandShark9C1
well I don't know about "plenty"
I do.


Posted by: Barbrady

Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag
A 93 Ford Taurus the BOMB!!!
Nothing like the 99.


Posted by: Andy0921

Jack Roush is going to help build the 2009 crown vic...that baby should be fast!


Posted by: Barbrady

You know it well.


Posted by: 94c

working in a city or even in a rural area, I would rather have a car that has adequate speed and can handle well than be operating a jet.


Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Well here is the new FORD INTERCEPTOR for 2009 I believe from the Car Show.



Posted by: Andy0921

Is that for real?


Posted by: HELPMe

I heard that they were supposed to bring back the galaxy name plate. For patrol i would take the charger. Obviously more power, newer platform, better control of the road. However, it is untested and dodge has been known for bad trannys and electrical systems. Ford is known for bad front ends and also crappy trannys. I drive a ford CV as a patrol car and it is a comfortable vehicle we have a 00 and a 98 and considering both are beaten down and rusting they are fairly comfortable to drive with the cage and rwd is the right wheel drive for a pursuite vehicle. NYC PD prefers the impala due to its compact size and better city fuel economy then the cvpi. However, what it boils down to is that when the blues come on people pull over.

Also for clarification purposes the 9c1 could only be had with the LT1 not the 200 hp lb9 or lq9 whatever it is that the standard civi caprice had. The 9c1 had 260 hp and the cvpi for the simular year had 229 hp.


Posted by: LandShark9C1

^^^ Actually there were a few L99 9C1 cars ordered from GM, they are rare, infact I have only seen one in person. If you do an internet search for something like "L99 9C1" you will find a few.

a few useful caprice RPO's
L03 5.0 305ci V8
L05 5.7 350ci V8
LT1 5.7 350ci V8 (94-96)
L99 4.3 265ci V8 (94-96)
G80 posi rear
WX3 Impala SS


Posted by: UNCLE

5.7 Hemi Charger


Posted by: frank

Quote:
Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne
Well here is the new FORD INTERCEPTOR for 2009 I believe from the Car Show.
Is that supposed to be a Ford or an Infiniti? Look at it...the wheels look straight off a FX/Nissan Murano and the windows and turn signal lights etc. as well.


Posted by: HELPMe

Quote:
Originally Posted by frank
Is that supposed to be a Ford or an Infiniti? Look at it...the wheels look straight off a FX/Nissan Murano and the windows and turn signal lights etc. as well.
Its supposed to be fords competitor with the chrysler 300 and dodge charger it uses the mustang platform and the concept has 400 hp. I think there is a strong posiblility of them building this due to the fact the only car being offered on the mustang platform is the mustang and in order for ford to dig itself out of its financial hole it needs a broader product line other then fwd "cross over" suvs. The CVPI hasnt basically changed since 98 with its current body styling other then some different wheels and a black grill with holes instead of horizontal shades. Its a 9 year old design. With a platform thats over 20 years old.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LandShark9C1
^^^ Actually there were a few L99 9C1 cars ordered from GM, they are rare, infact I have only seen one in person. If you do an internet search for something like "L99 9C1" you will find a few.

a few useful caprice RPO's
L03 5.0 305ci V8
L05 5.7 350ci V8
LT1 5.7 350ci V8 (94-96)
L99 4.3 265ci V8 (94-96)
G80 posi rear
WX3 Impala SS
Interesting every B-body 9c1 i have ever heard about or seen came with a LT-1 260hp motor. The L99 was the base motor for the civi caprice...dont know why they would toss it in an interceptor?


Posted by: Andy0921

From what I have read it doesn't sound like this is going to be made into a police package.

FORD INTERCEPTOR CONCEPT: CELEBRATING MODERN AMERICAN MUSCLE WITH ‘BUILT FORD TOUGH’ ATTITUDE
PARTLY SQUARE, PARTLY PROFESSIONALLY ROUND: IT’S A ‘SQUIRCLE’


DEARBORN, Mich., Dec. 31, 2006 – Building on its legacy of bold muscle cars, Ford is introducing a modern, all-American sedan concept that combines “Built Ford Tough” attitude with the sporty elegance of its iconic 1960s sedans.

The Ford Interceptor concept comes equipped with a manual six-speed gearbox mated to a Ford Racing 5.0-liter V-8 Cammer engine that delivers 400 horsepower and runs on E-85 ethanol.
“This concept celebrates the best of American muscle, showing customers what ‘modern muscle’ is all about,” said Peter Horbury, executive director – Design, The Americas. “The Interceptor concept is much like a Marine in dress uniform. He looks smart and elegant but you can see the raw power that lies beneath.”

The Team
The Ford Interceptor concept was developed by the following team members, led by J Mays, group vice president – Design, and chief creative officer: Peter Horbury, executive director – Design, The Americas
Freeman Thomas, director, Strategic Design, North America
David Woodhouse, chief designer
Kris Tomasson, chief designer
Andreas Nilsson, exterior design manager
Jeremy Leng, exterior design manager
Brian White, interior designer
Fairuz Arabo, Color and Materials designer
Greg Hutting, project manager

Flexing Modern Muscle
The Ford Interceptor concept’s exterior design features substantial, sometimes brutish, surfaces and sections that give the concept its modern, powerful look.

The Mustang-based concept features a traditional rear-wheel drive proportion that includes a short front overhang, long rear overhang and extended dash-to-axle ratio.
The Ford Interceptor also has a low cabin and higher beltline, adding to the vehicle’s attitude and sense of mystery.
“The Ford Interceptor concept is a pure sedan that speaks to performance car lovers everywhere,” said Freeman Thomas, director, North American Strategic Design. “These people might need more space, but they still appreciate the power and attitude that cars like this represent,”
Painted a deep blue, the Ford Interceptor concept’s strength exudes from its strong, high shoulders. And much like on last year’s Ford F-250 Super Chief pickup concept, a single character line runs the length of the body side, slightly sloping downward as it reaches the back of the sedan.
This adds wedge to the car, making it dynamic, without detracting from its smooth, clean design.
Signature Ford touches include the horizontal three-bar grille, which has been structurally integrated into the bumper beam, as well as “squircles” – or professionally square circle-shaped graphics – inside and out.
As a nod to performance purists, the ultimate muscle lies under the powered clamshell “shaker” hood, which caps a thoroughly detailed engine compartment that houses a 5.0-liter V-8 Cammer engine.
This is an upgraded variant of the 4.6-liter engine under the hood of the current production Mustang GT. The Cammer modular engine powered Ford Racing’s FR500C race car to the top of the Grand Am Cup’s GS class, achieving five victories on its way to the Drivers, Manufacturers and Team Championships in its first season of competition.
The Interceptor concept’s Cammer engine is mated to a manual six-speed transmission. The car, equipped with 22-inch wheels, also features a solid rear axle for more hard-core performance feel.
Attitude Within
Inside, the Ford Interceptor concept is sleek and thoroughly modern, completed in contrasting black leather and metal finishes.
The dash, headliner and thick steering wheel are leather-wrapped. Plus, the Interceptor concept’s four low-back bucket seats are wrapped in thick black belt leather with exposed-edge seams and contrasting caramel stitching. The seats are accented with Ford GT-inspired squircle grommets finished with Titan Metal painted inserts.
Squircle accents are repeated in the concept’s door trims, floor, console and instrument panel.
Designed within a pair of squircles, the speedometer and tachometer are eye-catching. The needles for both start at center and move opposite each other as the speed and RPM climb.
Other clever touches include retractable headrests that deploy from the roof when the car is parked. They adjust fore and aft, as well as up and down for each occupant. Audio control panel and climate controls also are stowable.
On the other hand, the gated six-speed shifter is exposed, just waiting to be thrown into gear.
“The Interceptor concept is a sedan – but with the heart and soul of a performance car,“ Thomas said. “This car is about restraint – and not clouding the driving experience with too much technology. There aren’t a lot of layers between the driver and the road with this car.”
Safer travels
For safety, the Interceptor concept incorporates Ford’s patented four-point “belt and suspenders” safety belt design in all four seats and inflatable seat belts in the rear.
While current three-point safety belts are extremely effective in reducing the risk of injury in a crash, Ford Motor Company is researching these two potential safety belt technologies as possible ways to further reduce injury risk in vehicle crashes.
A number of technical challenges still need to be overcome before such restraint systems could ever be used, but these technologies might one day further enhance safety belt effectiveness.
The four-point belt showcases a possible next-generation safety belt that is more comfortable and easier to use than traditional three-point belts, according to consumer research. Additionally, inflatable belts have been included in the rear seat of the concept to help better protect occupants in a variety of crashes.
“Our customer target for this powerful masculine sedan was a man with a family,” Horbury said. “He’s essentially a good guy, but a bit mischevious. He loves power and performance. But ultimately, he’s responsible. When he has his family on board, he values new safety technology as well as a powerful engine that runs on E-85 ethanol.”
Ford Interceptor Concept
Powertrain
5.0-liter Cammer V-8
Chassis lengths
Overall length...........................................2 01.6 in.
Wheelbase......................................... ........120.8 in.
Overall width............................................. .76.4 in.
Overall height at curb..................................54.8 in.
Track width
Front............................................. ..............66.5 in.
Rear.............................................. ..............67.8 in.
Suspension
Front....................... Double wishbone-independent
Rear.........................3-Link Design with Panhard Rod
Headroom
Front............................................. ..............37.5 in.
Second Row............................................... .35.9 in.
Legroom
Front............................................. ..............42.3 in.
Second Row............................................... .35.6 in.




Ford Motor Company
Ford Motor Company, a global automotive industry leader based in Dearborn, Mich., manufactures and distributes automobiles in 200 markets across six continents. With about 300,000 employees and more than 100 plants worldwide, the company’s core and affiliated automotive brands include Aston Martin, Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercury and Volvo. Its automotive-related services include Ford Motor Credit Company. For more information regarding Ford’s products, please visit www.fordvehicles.com.






Posted by: CJIS

It is ugly


Posted by: Andy0921

I like it. Better looking than the charger and 300.


Posted by: CJIS

No way... though I do admit those 2 cars are a bit on the ugly side as well...


Posted by: Andy0921

You just don't like anything...


Posted by: RCPD33

I give you all props......you guys all know your shit about cars!


Posted by: Mitpo62

How come the Dodge didn't make the list? They brought their test cruiser to our department for a few days. 99% of the folks that drove it fell in love. It has more cabin room than the CV; not much space in the backseat, but who cares? The Charger may wind up being a tough competitor for the CV.


Posted by: Barbrady

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitpo62
How come the Dodge didn't make the list? They brought their test cruiser to our department for a few days. 99% of the folks that drove it fell in love. It has more cabin room than the CV; not much space in the backseat, but who cares? The Charger may wind up being a tough competitor for the CV.
We just got eight of them. The guys at the garage say they screw...and then some. I will get the hand me down from a lucky vet that gets one of those babies, still an upgrade for me. They are sharp, too.


Posted by: masscopguy

I don't think Dodge made the list becuase this thread was started back in 2003,


Posted by: 2-Delta

Quote:
Originally Posted by masscopguy
I don't think Dodge made the list becuase this thread was started back in 2003,
That's correct!


Posted by: Sniper

I drove a Charger last week....... Thing is the balls.... Definately has some blind spots but nothing that you couldn't get used to after getting out of a CVPI for a few days.....


Posted by: Barbrady

I'm jealous. I keep hearing they drive like a dream...and "plenty" of top end.


Posted by: Mitpo62

Once all the roads in Taunton are repaired, we're getting new cars too!


Posted by: mpd61

You people don't know sh*t...
40thMPOC#309 is the Cruiser GOD. Seek out his wisdom


Posted by: j809

I really enjoyed the 1992 Crown Vic at MCCPD, 240K miles and going strong. Still on patrol there I hear.


Posted by: Mitpo62

Hands down, the 1986 Dodge Diplomat......Vrrrrrrroooooom!


Posted by: Duff112

Quote:
Originally Posted by j809
I really enjoyed the 1992 Crown Vic at MCCPD, 240K miles and going strong. Still on patrol there I hear.

Ya and your neighbor to the East will be getting a new CV at about the same time MCCPD gets that one replaced..lol...

But seriously the Chargers are rocket fast as I drove one while working a shift when the MA Chiefs Convention was in town last year... alittle tight on shoulder room though..


Just don't do what Wayland PD did when ordering thiers: V-6 engine.

Go with the HEMI!!


Posted by: 40th MPOC#309

I'm a C/V guy. See my post about the Charger in the Ask a Cop forum.....


Posted by: JLT770

saw the wayland Charger a few weeks back, looked amazing with the police paint scheme...but yeah V6?


Posted by: Duff112

Quote:
Originally Posted by JLT770
saw the wayland Charger a few weeks back, looked amazing with the police paint scheme...but yeah V6?

Shocked me too when I heard it from one of the guys...

Chief was more concerned about gas mileage than gitty-up and go.


Posted by: Inspector


Bit old but I'd take it anyway.




But if gas prices keep going up those bean counters may recommend.


Posted by: Barbrady

I saw this one at a recent conference. It has a disclaimer on the rear bumper stating it was seized from a drug dealer so that the citizens wouldn't flip out because the PD is cruisin in a Nav. Eww...eww.


Posted by: Barbrady

Very sharp!


Posted by: JLT770

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbrady
I saw this one at a recent conference. It has a disclaimer on the rear bumper stating it was seized from a drug dealer so that the citizens wouldn't flip out because the PD is cruisin in a Nav. Eww...eww.
looks like the DARE car though...so im sure it wasnt used for real police business...good message for the kids dont sell drugs or ull lose your nav to the police


Posted by: Barbrady

I think the officer was an SRO.


Posted by: US706



OLD SCHOOL....


Posted by: vaccaroja

Mercury Marauder for sure... that competes with the charger for sure.. marauders screw just as much if not more than that new charger.


Posted by: vaccaroja

i know its a little off topic.. but as far as those cop bikes go... they need something faster and more intimidating. like a crotch rocket.


Posted by: Inspector



This year, Brabus’ CLS V12 S Rocket develops 730hp from the twin-turbo V12 top speed 225.19mph.


Posted by: Harley387

When I attended EVOC, my Chief would only allow me to use the "junker", which was a 1990 Caprice. It was the old square kind. It was quickly nicknamed the "General Lee" by my classmates. I was a bit embarrassed by it, but when the instructors saw it, they LOVED it! It was THE fastest cruiser there, but the handling sucked. The lack of anti lock brakes also made things interesting. I did manage to get the 2nd best time on the reverse course though.


Posted by: RPD931

Wow!!... what an old thread. I just read a post I typed in 2003...


Posted by: afd414

I do wish that gm would do something... they have a hell of a powerplant with that 6.0 v8. maybe someday soon


Posted by: Mitpo62

Nothing ran quite like the 1986 Dodge Diplomat.....oh, sweet memories!


Posted by: Sniper

Saw online today that Crown Vics are no longer available in the showroom and are sold directly by Fleet sales only to PDs and taxi companies..............


Posted by: PearlOnyx

We've got 100 of the Chargers on order (half marked/half not). I read the Michigan State Police reports on them, and I'm kind of up in the air on it. The speed and power seems nice, but there seems to be some braking issues. Also, most of the interior equipment (cages, computer stands, shotgun/rifle racks) from the CV's can't be retrofit to fit the Chargers, so from an expense standpoint, I can see the concern there. Anybody have one? How do you like it?

On a side note, we still have a Camaro or two on the road. Personally, I hate them. Death traps if you are in a crash, and getting out of the car on a traffic stop is like sitting up from the ground to stand up. No room to put anything etc., but fast, makes people think twice, and just cool in general.


Posted by: afd414

I agree with you there on the camaro thing. I had one, rode like a box of nails


Posted by: HOLLYROCK50

I like the Vic but each year they have less interior room than the year before. I am 6'5" and this is becoming a problem. As for a cruiser I would like to have it would be a Dodge Charger with the 5.7L Hemi. I can't think of a more bad ass ride.


Posted by: Hb13

I too am 6'5" everytime I sit in a crown vic the first thing I think of is if I get in or crash this thing I am royally fu*ked, but then again being 6'5" thats the way most cars are.
Other problem with the cv's I noticed is my feet don't quite fit, my boats/skis what ever you want to call them are size 17 and yeah they seriously deter certain things such as small vehicles. and some standards
other than that I always like the old caprices and the Impala SS (old one that looked like caprices)
i like the cv's too


Posted by: Andy0921

The interior specs on the CV have not changed since 1998 when it received the redesign. IMO, the 03+ CV's are very comfortable. However, if you're 6'5, any car with a partition is going to be cramped. Not that it would happen, but you should try and get your departments to by some of those half cages; aka "penalty boxes".


Posted by: ninety_four_c

I like the dodge charger


Posted by: j809

I hear that the 09 CVs are going to get redesigned a bit.


Posted by: snapbox

Quote:
Originally Posted by j809 View Post
I hear that the 09 CVs are going to get redesigned a bit.

We've been hearing that for years.

When was the last time you saw a fleet only vehicle redesigned?

Ford will eventually release a new CV-like RWD replacement. Until then, you've got the current CV, the Charger and the Impala as the only pursuit rated sedans on the market; The Tahoe is the only pursuit rated SUV out at the moment and I'd like to see more of those on the road.

(shrug)


It's either the CV w/ 3:55 rear or a hemi charger for me... go big or go home. FWD sucks.


Posted by: Tommy54

After nearly a year driving the Charger, I have to say I much prefer the CV's. We of course got the v-6 for fuel ecenomy, but there is so much to not like about the car. Leg room is terrific for stretching out and they go like nothing before but, the rear quarter visibility is nonexistant. A three point turn takes forever thanks to the electronic transmission and we chirp the tires for the same reason. A friend from Martha's Vineyard got the v-8 hemi and says this is a huge problem as well. Every officer who drives them also says that they have gotten back pain between their shoulders from sitting in the cars but it goes away if they stick to the old CV's. Not to mention that when not moving the cabin temp climbs uncontrolably unless the ac is turned on.


Posted by: Bull614

If I had my choice I would pick a Mustang Cobra. Their a little small for prisoner transport, but you just throw someone in the patty wagon and have them pick up all your prisoners.


Posted by: dgove35

crown vic all the way


Posted by: Nighttrain

Thats because the seat is big enough for you to curl up into a ball in. You always look so restful.


Posted by: Bull614

The crown Vic is a nice large comfortable car


Posted by: dgove35

i personally like the vespas...very roomy and plenty of storage


Posted by: Barbrady

Quote:
Originally Posted by dgove35 View Post
i personally like the vespas...very roomy and plenty of storage
...and it helps with good posture.


Posted by: tacpup82

Im down for what the European departments drive... Mercedes and BMWs!


Posted by: Mozzarella

I like my van!


Posted by: MACACO

I would go with a charger, neighboring departments got a few chargers. Better on gas (v6), with the pushbar, looks very sleek!! Can't say how it is to ride in one though..


Posted by: MikeO

I would take a Dodge Charger, they are great for undercover cars.




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