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Posted by: Randbo

Does anyone happen to now the law or knowledge of Police officer who are under 21, carrying their firearms off duty?

Posted by: Harley387

You can carry under your badge.

Posted by: mikemac64

I know of people under 21 who were cops. I would like to see that change though. The maturity level is just not there. I am not talking about potential, but what they will immediately bring to the table. I have always wondered about a 20 year old who has never lived away from home, never been in the military, or whose only experience may have been in a dorm, can go to a serious domestic, or minor spat, and be able to tell the difference. My .o2 on that point.

But on to the original topic. Police officers in Massachusetts can carry their duty firearm "on the badge". There are some PD's who require LTC for employment, but that is a rule/reg/policy vs. a law. The cop who carries his duty weapon off duty, with or without benefit of an LTC, is legal.

Posted by: Delta9

MGL Ch 140, Section 129C, paragraph (o)

"Section 129C. No person, other than a licensed dealer or one who has been issued a license to carry a pistol or revolver or an exempt person as hereinafter described, shall own or possess any firearm, rifle, shotgun or ammunition unless he has been issued a firearm identification card by the licensing authority pursuant to the provisions of section one hundred and twenty-nine B....

The provisions of this section shall not apply to the following exempted persons and uses:

(o) Persons in the military or other service of any state or of the United States, and police officers and other peace officers of any jurisdiction, in the performance of their official duty or when duly authorized to possess them; "

So does this apply to Campus Police Officers and Private Security Special Police Officers as well?

Posted by: Anonymous

My input on the >21 year old with badge:

Such a case arose in my department, and although the officer may carry under his badge, the department decided that he would leave his gun at the station (in his locker's interior gun locker)...until he turned 21.

So he did, of course.

Posted by: phuzz01

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Originally posted by Mike:
I have always wondered about a 20 year old who has never lived away from home, never been in the military, or whose only experience may have been in a dorm, can go to a serious domestic, or minor spat, and be able to tell the difference. My .o2 on that point.

But a 21 year old would be any different? Life experience is formed over the course of a lifetime. There is nothing about the year between your 20th birthday and your 21st birthday that suddenly makes you experienced. So, either you have to accept the fact that officers will have to gain life experience over the course of the job, or you have to not hire them until they are middle aged.

Another thing is that some people have a lot of life experience when they are 19, and others still don't have any when they are 30.

In any case, I don't think if you raised the minimum age to 21, you would suddenly have cops who are better able to deal with domestics, etc. etc.

Posted by: mikemac64

I think that is where our screening process comes in. We were speaking in generalities here. I quite franklly would like to see 23 as the minimum. That way someone would have to have aquired some work experience, or completed college, or the military. Ideally, any combination of 2 of the three would be perfect. I just don't think two years of work experience, or worse yet, only 2 years of college, is satisfactory to give someone the life's experience we need to make decisions.

This is not science, just my .02. I am sure we can find a 15 year old who could handle being a cop, just like we could find a 55 year old who doesn't have the tools either.

Posted by: SilverSnap

Heres my two cents. I was sworn as a fully powered police officer at the age of 17 when I was still in High School; I had the powers of arrest, just as any of the full timers. However, I never ever used those powers cause I was always with a full timer, mostly a sergeant, it was just there in case we needed it. Before that I was a law enforcement explorer for four years. Then at the age of 19, I was hired as a ft for six months for a local dept with a weapon that I left at the station. I'm now 20, still hired with the same department and I have the same responsibilities, if not more then some of the full timers.

I personally don't think the military or even college is going to give you "life experience" that is going to make you a good police officer. They could still be a total screwball. I've seen it. That’s why you should leave it to the dept to weed out whom they do and don't want, most dept's should know what they want, and if a 19 year old is better suited for the job then a 28 year old, then so be it.

~There, all better. It's been through spellcheck. I am in college classes, guess I proved me point, its obviously not doing anything for me. As you so kindly pointed out.

Posted by: Irishpride

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Originally posted by SilverSnap:
i personally don't think the military or even college is gonna give you "life experience" that is gonna make you a good police officer.

But you might pick up some English courses which is "gonna" help you with your grammar.

Posted by: erv1117

Experience is the only thing that is going to prepare you for what you are going to need on the job. I was a Police Officer at 19. I could have been better prepared before I started, but everyone is a rookie at one time or another. I made rookie mistakes, but benefited from them all. I am now 21. I am also enrolled in college. But nothing that is instructed in school prepares you for seeing the things that you will no doubt encounter.

I agree that a cop should be 21. How are you going to confiscate alcohol from a minor when you cannot even possess it yourself? (I know scope of duty, blah, blah- I mean morally). Should a cop be over 21, yes. Is it necessary, no. I have experienced things and learned more than 4 years of English classes and algebra could ever teach. It is not fair to count out all of the young guys. Some of us are dedicated, experienced and know the job better than some of those who have been around for a while.

Posted by: patsfan

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Irishpride:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by SilverSnap:
i personally don't think the military or even college is gonna give you "life experience" that is gonna make you a good police officer.<hr /></blockquote>But you might pick up some English courses which is "gonna" help you with your grammar.<hr /></blockquote>Well done Irishpride. lol. You saved me some typing when I read your posting.

Posted by: Anonymous

Like I said in the private email....easy to say that military does not count for life experience when you have never been there.

Tell a veteran that it does not count and see what he/she says. Its all what you put into it. You can be a slug on a police department and you can be a slug in the military. But the military is far less lenient with non compliants. Why dont you enlist and help the cause. You are young go help the country. See... you wont do it but you will reap the benefits that all the veterans laid down for you to live here and have the rights you are using now. enough said!!!

Posted by: Delta9

I don't think anyone was attempted to lessen the value of being a veteran or the value of attending college. I think everything that you do opens you up to new experiences and teaches you new things. And I think everyone takes away something different from similar situations. But I don't think we can say the experience X, Y, and Z will produce a good cop and people without those will not succeed. Every person is an individual and must be judged in that manner. This is why, I believe, such intense interview and background procedures are in place; to determine the suitability of each applicant, their maturity, and their well roundedness.

Who knows the best applicant for a position maybe a 19 y.o. fresh HS grad, a recently separated member of the military, a college grad, or even an individual with a mid-life career change.

But I don't think we can cast blanket judgments on groups and determine their suitability in that way.

My [img]graemlins/mytwocents.gif[/img] , I’ll get off the [img]graemlins/soapbox.gif[/img] now.

Now wasn’t the topic carrying under the badge?

Posted by: phuzz01

Amen, Delta.

Posted by: Anonymous

doesn't anyone see the inherrant danger of not carrying off duty. 19/20/21, it doesn't matter, if someone is a real cop they need to have the ability to have a firearm at all times. If this young cop does make a good on duty arrest, what does he do when he is out to dinner w/ mary-jane rotten crotch( and her pretty pink panties), and he see's the same skell he locked up 4 days ago, and now Mr. Skell wants too teach this young guy a lesson. The chances of this happening anywhere are fairly good. If the job does not trust someone to carry agun off-duty, then they should make them wait until they are older. This is nothing against young cops, just common sense. What good is a gun in your locker do you when the sh$# hits the fan?

Posted by: Gil

Good Point...

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mary-jane rotten crotch

[img]smile.gif[/img] LOL

Posted by: Delta9

I need to go to NYC and pick up some of this lingo... sounds like an episode of NYPD Blue [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Posted by: Anonymous

nah, just watched FULL METAL JACKET too many times...

Posted by: michaelbos

I know more Police officers are carrying off duty now a days then before. It's the way things are today, you just don't know what's going to happen while you are on a simple errand. Not to jump into everything one sees, but just in case there is no way out of the situation. I also see that officers who use to keep the badge in their wallets have started to keep them around their necks, hidden away in case of that situation you have to react, just pull it out from your shirt and there it is on the chain. I myself who kind of kept the weapon at home as time went by, have started to carry a small one around. Again, we (officers) don't like to get involved in things off duty for a few hundred reasons, but we may not get that choice.

Posted by: TaskForceCopper

I'm an officer from the United Kingdom, and over here we can join as soon as we leave school, at age 18 1/2. I did this, and it was a steep learning curve indeed. I have nearly seven years service now, it really helped me to mature, but in the early days I made plenty of mistakes that I would put down to the eagerness of youth!

With regards to off duty carry etc, we can't carry anything when we're off duty, whether its baton, handcuffs or whatever. We aren't armed anyway, but even our firearms-qualified officers can't carry anything off duty either. My force has nearly 3,000 officers and out of those about 120 are firearms trained. There are about 12 armed officers on duty for the whole force at any given time.

Our force issues us with a small credit-card sized "warrant" card, which a lot of plain clothes officers wear round their necks on a chain. If you want a badge in a leather holder, you have to privately purchase them from headquarters!

Posted by: mpd61

Okay now!

To stay on topic:

If you're a cop and under 21, it's a NO NO to carry off duty. Why?

1. You can't have an LTC
2. MGL Ch140/Sec 129 "in performance of their official duty or when duly authorized to possess them.

Sorry, but carry "under the badge" only means when you're on duty. Again, please stop perpetuating myths that may get people into hot water.

Quote case law to the contrary or STFU!

Posted by: HeavyDooty

mpd, im not disagreeing with you, but "duly authorized" is somewhat broad (as most of the laws are and also open to interpretation). what exactly is duly authroized? being a police officer, but not on duty? only being on duty? when your police chief tells you its ok to carry off duty?

Posted by: ryan933

I agree with mpd.

The language of the law may be a bit broad, but I think most Chiefs in MA would frown upon an officer carrying their weapon off duty without a LTC, regardless of age. Any officer who does not have an LTC, regardless of age, should probably check with their Chief for clarification on this topic.

Ryan

Posted by: Killjoy

Sure, when you are "duly authorized" is a vague statement, but off duty you shouldn't be running around with a badge in one hand and a gun in the other. I am a state trooper and carry off duty, but I do my damndest to stay out of people's business when I'm off duty. I don't get involved in anything that I don't absolutely have to. I don't yell at other drivers, try to tackle some crack head I see smoking on a street corner, break up a domestic or one of the numerous other things I have seen off-duty cops get into the glue by sticking their noses in. When I'm on duty, I get paid to stick my nose into your business. The only circumstances I would break leather off duty is if my life or someone else's life is in imminent danger of being taken. Period. And, MPD61 is correct, you have to be 21 to have an LTC, so the point is moot. There is no "carrying on the badge"; I carry on an LTC like every other cop. Some brother officers found this out when MA amended gun carry laws to exclude those with certain types of past misdemeanors, and these officers found themselves unable to carry when renewal time came up.

Posted by: Killjoy

Sorry, my mistake; the MSP policy is that you must have a LTC, not state law. So I guess the law only affects Troopers; my bad.

Posted by: SRRerg

I go back and forth on carrying off-duty. The big issue is the high possibility of a "blue on blue" shooting. If I'm working, and you show up in civvies and armed, you are another man with a gun. Providence PD is still dealing with the shooting of an off-duty officer who came out to assist two officers.

NEVER carry if you are going out and plan on having a few drinks

Posted by: JP64

Sometimes it might be best to be a good witness rather than get involved.

That multiple shooting in a Charlestown restaurant a few years back with the two Everett cops inside, the first officers on scene weren't dispatched to a shooting call, they were dispatched to a man with a gun in the parking lot call. The man with a gun in the parking lot was one of the Everett cops taking down the "perps."

Off duty carry has its own pitfalls, ID'ing yourself, proficiency, holster confusion, weapon confusion. Under stress you'll react as you train, which is usually done in uniform with a duty weapon, holster, mags, etc.

STAY SAFE and happy holidays everyone.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

Okay now!

To stay on topic:

If you're a cop and under 21, it's a NO NO to carry off duty. Why?

1. You can't have an LTC
2. MGL Ch140/Sec 129 "in performance of their official duty or when duly authorized to possess them.

Sorry, but carry "under the badge" only means when you're on duty. Again, please stop perpetuating myths that may get people into hot water.

Quote case law to the contrary or STFU!

LOL dam you are tough LOL but you speak the truth!!!

Posted by: Joe B

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP64

Sometimes it might be best to be a good witness rather than get involved.

JP64, you're 100% right. As Kiljoy stated, basically unless someone is going to get killed or seriously injured, be smart and keep your off-duty snoot out of it.

Posted by: HeavyDooty

well said.

happy holidays!

Posted by: union1

o) Persons in the military or other service of any state or of the United States, and police officers and other peace officers of any jurisdiction, in the performance of their official duty or when duly authorized to possess them; "

So does this apply to Campus Police Officers and Private Security Special Police Officers as well?

Somehow Campus Police are defined as Police Officers under the law. I Specificaly asked this question at the State Police Academy. But funny how "limited" we are in our scope.

Posted by: NACop

Union,

What do you mean by "limited in your scope"?

Does your department carry? if not, why worry?

Posted by: MelroseAUX

I'm 18, and a sworn, oath-taken auxiliary officer, we have the ability to carry everything. However need to be 21 for a LTC. Otherwise I carry ASP, cuffs, and pepper. We carry cuffs for whatever means necessary, we help out the regulars in some instances, with the accompaniment of my Sgt. we can and will arrest anyone under reasonable argument according to our central office, and OIC. I asume this goes along with many other Special and Aux. officers in MA, our fellow agencies include Charlestown, Malden, Meford, Everette area...

I'm young, yes, and gaining from this experience that very few kids are able to be acustomed to. I'm not trying to "act" professional, however I am mature, not every under-21 officer who is sworn is "immature". We're called to the Boston Marathon as well, and Holyoke Parade. As I'm under 21, I'm always with an armed officer, I'm somewhat of the "communicating" officer is you must..

Posted by: LawMan2545

What is with the age issue here? I am 21 and very close to scoring a full time position. I never went into the military, no need for it. I have wanted to be a cop since I can remember. The way to become a police officer nowadays are damn near impossible as is, and people want the age requirment to be raised? Come on now, most people saying they want the age higher is because they already got the full time position? How were you like at age 20 taking every exam, test, and job that would somehow get you ahead of the game. Besides I would rather have a 21 year old out of the academy on my force than a 32 year old coming out of the academy. Some fulltime officers I know should have retired at least 3 years ago, and we entrust our safety in their hands, when the last time they got out of a cruiser to run after someone was in 1980. I am just a reserve police officer so I can't say much and I apologize to the hard working fulltimers out there for this. If you want more strict hiring, then i say more strict retraining and recertification for already hired officers. I am just working my ass off to get a full time position, I probably learned and experienced more than someone coming out of the National Guard, and they get precedence. Sorry but I gotta gripe, yeah I am a reserve like I said, but I still endanger my life everytime I put that badge on my chest because I love the job.

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawMan2545

Besides I would rather have a 21 year old out of the academy on my force than a 32 year old coming out of the academy.

Attitudes like that are WHY people don't like young cops. Not even on the job yet and you know EVERYTHING there is to know.

Quote:

Some fulltime officers I know should have retired at least 3 years ago, and we entrust our safety in their hands, when the last time they got out of a cruiser to run after someone was in 1980.

There's a HELL of a lot more to being a Police Officer than "running after people".

Posted by: LawMan2545

I know there is a lot of others things. I was making one example. Besides you are a state trooper, you have the entire state to worry about not a 4 square mile town, so you and a big city officer are exceptions. I might just be biased towards some of the officers where I am from, but come on when you are older than the cheif, it might be time to hang up your cuffs. Sorry if I offended you, You guys get your revenge on the young rookies anyways. I might not know everything about the job yet, but do not think I don't know anything about it. and about the National guard thing, I am saying I know a few, not generally basing it on the whole thing just that few, whose duties were gaurding a gate in Georgia or food service at a base... no combat or any type of policing, crowd control, etc...and 2 of those few have got on forces with that being the only experience, that is a tad unfair when I, and others like myself have gone to school to get degrees, worked security, campus police etc....and now as a reserve still can't get a full time position. Yes I know other guys who have seen everything from Military policing to full on combat. Geez, this is why I looking out of state, too much politics and BS in massachusetts.

Posted by: LawMan2545

I would also like to add that 10, even 5 years ago it was not as hard to get on a police force as it is now. Especially in Massachusetts with budget cuts to almost every dept. I am just pissed because I am overpassed by people who don't even want to do the job, they just took the test for fun.

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawMan2545

I and about the National guard thing, I am saying I know a few, not generally basing it on the whole thing just that few, whose duties were gaurding a gate in Georgia or food service at a base... no combat or any type of policing, crowd control, etc...and 2 of those few have got on forces with that being the only experience, that is a tad unfair when I, and others like myself have gone to school to get degrees, worked security, campus police etc....

I was never in the military, but I think the discipline and life experience can be helpful in a police officer's background. I also think that a college degree isn't exactly a guarantee of anything. I know more IDIOTS that went through 4 years of Westfield State that majored in CJ and minored in drunken brawling, picking up girls and bar hopping 101.

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawMan2545

I would also like to add that 10, even 5 years ago it was not as hard to get on a police force as it is now. Especially in Massachusetts with budget cuts to almost every dept. I am just pissed because I am overpassed by people who don't even want to do the job, they just took the test for fun.

RELAX. You are 21. I was 25 when I got a full time job. I had classmates that turned 36 in the Academy. Enjoy life, get some life experience and before you know it you will be working as a cop.

Posted by: Cadet101

LawMan2545 wrote:

Quote:

Some fulltime officers I know should have retired at least 3 years ago, and we entrust our safety in their hands, when the last time they got out of a cruiser to run after someone was in 1980. I am just a reserve police officer so I can't say much and I apologize to the hard working fulltimers out there for this. If you want more strict hiring, then I say more strict retraining and recertification for already hired officers. I am just working my ass off to get a full time position,

I agree with you on having to stay in top physical shape throughout your entire police career. I think it should be required to maintain your body and have to go through a basic physical test like the PAT once a year. If that's too much to ask then rethink the reasons why you want to be a police officer. I know some departments actually give bonus money for staying in shape. Um, Hello, what’s wrong with this picture, did someone forget to mention, part of being a police officer requires you to be at your best performance both physically and mentally. You shouldn't have to be offered bonus money to stay in shape. Sure, staying in shape as you begin to age requires a little effort on your part to eat healthily and to get your butt to the gym, but again many seem to forget what’s required when you commit yourself to a career in law enforcement. You are a police officer 24/7 365 days a year until you die. So before you take on such a career, I think many should again rethink if this is a career that's right for you.

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadet101

You are a police officer 24/7 365 days a year until you die. So before you take on such a career, I think many should again rethink if this is a career that's right for you.

SURE you are. That is, until you get into an incident off duty and the Job says "No WAY, he was off duty!" Pick up a paper sometime.

Kids these days!

Posted by: LawMan2545

I agree, but i have friends who just decided to try to be a police officer at 22-23...I have been starting at age 18, taking tests that I can take, staying in shape, of course college, got on auxiliary at 19, then reserves this past August. I have wanted to do this since I was at least 2 years old. I know it is a waiting game, but there is nothing I want more.

Posted by: mpd61

Well now Lawman2545,

If you've been waiting that long...................Try a little more humility and patience for dessert, and RELAX!

Hey 40thMPOC,
I'll bet Carlos could teach this kid a thing about being "old" coming out of the academy eh!

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawMan2545

I agree, but i have friends who just decided to try to be a police officer at 22-23...I have been starting at age 18, taking tests that I can take, staying in shape, of course college, got on auxiliary at 19, then reserves this past August. I have wanted to do this since I was at least 2 years old. I know it is a waiting game, but there is nothing I want more.

Just because they decided at 22 or 23 doesn't mean they are bad candidates. Gee, since you were 2, huh? My kid is 3 and his biggest goal is to watch Lion King 30 times a day.

He does LOVE watching "Cops" though. (seriously, it's kinda weird.)

Posted by: Cadet101

jsg2020 wrote:

Quote:

I also think that a college degree isn't exactly a guarantee of anything. I know more IDIOTS that went through 4 years of Westfield State that majored in C.J. and minored in drunken brawling, picking up girls and bar hopping 101.

I totally agree with you here. I feel many go to college for the wrong reasons. Many develop a record while attending college and those C.J. majors now have to pick a different major. You control your actions for everything you do in life. Part of having a degree is knowing how to use that degree to your benefit. A degree can help you in many ways depending on which career you choose. In many states a high school diploma is not enough to become a police officer. Many require at least 60 college credits with a good GPA, and some require a bachelors. As for MSP, on their website it says that they are considering raising the qualifications to possibly a four year degree. Will having a college degree make them a better State Trooper? I don't think so, Then why raise the qualification? Are they trying to see how bad you want it by making you receive a four year degree in order to take the exam, trying to separate those that just take the test to take it get lucky scoring high off a basic common sense test. But by them making you take a basic common sense exam it seems they aren't asking much rather then you having common sense because I guess if they figure you have common sense they then can teach you everything you need to know and learn in the academy. I bet that at the last MSP exam there wouldn't have been close to 16,000 exam takers, had that four degree been in place. Being where my goal is to make it into the MSP or a Federal level position, I would obtain whatever degree if required to take the exam because I want it bad enough and I would be willing to sacrifice many things in order to accomplish a career that I want. So basically, I think it boils down to how bad to you want it, as it should be.

Posted by: mikemac64

Military: They have experience getting up and doing things they don't want to do. This is generally called following orders. I have seen some college guys who like to question orders from bosses. Military guys usually don't

Old timers: They maybe cannot run a 7 minute mile anymore. But expeirence also means they don't have to. You will learn the muff's you are running after are the kids of the guys these useless old timers grew up with. Slow and steady wins the race.

College: College is no replacement for life experience. I will take a 25 year old who has been digging ditches over a 22 year old college graduate any day. Get out and pay the bills, rent, punch a clock, etc. Non college grads bring a different perspective to this job. My job just canned a kid on probation (honor grad in College) because he did not follow orders, did not have any experience or empathy, and did not understand that even though a bad guy was a bad guy, the bad guys are the one's who solve crimes for you. Being nice to the bad guy get's you tips/info. Writing the guy every time he drives by get's attitude!!!!!

P.T.: PT is great. I run 12 miles a week (down from 25 or so) and reently completed a marathon. I am 40, got on at 32. I have some gut, absolutely. Everyone develops differently as they age. This is a fact of life. However, all these "old fat guys" are the one's who have been there and done that (BTDT). The kid you are chasing for a 30 pack, is the son of the guy who grew up with the old fat guy. The old fat guy can probably close the matter out with a telephone call. That is what they call "community policing".

I can't speak for MSP, but town policing requires you to know the people, respect them (even the local nitwits) and solve problems. Sometimes the solution is an arrest/summons/citation. Sometimes it is not.

Problem solving is not somethig we do because Trajenowicz says so. It is something we do because it is what is expected of us and it is the essence of what we do. At 21 you want to lock everyone up. Great. But it is not just enough to know when you can and can't lock someone up, it is just as important to know when you should and shouldn't. That comes with experience.

I served in the Marine Corps. Never saw a day of combat. I did hump endless miles, stood endless hours of guard duty while assigned to a Marine Barracks, and slept/ate/crapped in the worst of conditions. It has made me a better person, and teaches people a level of responsibility that you just do not get in college.

Now, college is important, and everyone should go, I do. But it is not the end all of education. Life's experience is what helps you in this job, not Emily Dickinson.

Posted by: Dr.Magoo

Well said!

Posted by: Southside

My son is going to be two and can say cap which is close to cop......Should I buy him hime a Sig .45 like daddy and get him to the range early so he is prepared or should I wait until he is out of his diapers because they kind of cause a problem with his duty belt (doesn't create a nice snug fit)? I am thinking maybe I should get him ready for the 77th......What do you think JSG2020? Is there room for my kid in New Braintree or should I wait?

On a serious note....Lawman

I grew up watching my dad who was a cop and just retired after 34 years on the job. He is in his late 50's and can still go toe to toe with the best of them. I am 27 and have not been fortunate enough to receive a card yet, but I am paying my own way through the full time academy in hopes that I can better myself when it comes down to my turn for possible selection. I am just about down with my Associate degree in CJ and currently maintain a 3.89 GPA...which is not bad for a kid who in high school left and got his GED. I grew up in a city where my dad was well known among all the kids and to be honest it wasn't easy for me. For many years of my life I was mad at him for being a cop...in fact I thought all cops were pains in the ass, but then I matured. I began to meet individuals who would tell me how my dad changed their life or the life of someone who was close to them for the better. The difference that my dad had made on these people was remarkable, in fact there is no amount of money that can be put on it. It was at that point that I began to see my father and Police Officers in a different way, one that I admired and appreciated. At that point I realized that I too want to make a differance. I am now married to a great woman and have two amazing little kids and when I tell my 4 year old daughter what I want to be, she says you will be the best policeman daddy.....and you know what.....she is right. I will be the best cop that I can be because I understand the sacrifice and commitment that ALL Police Officers make regardless of age. You see when you apply that shield on your chest, it isn't just about you....it's about the ones who came before you, the ones who wear it with you and the ones who will some day wear it after you. I am sure these old guys who you say should retire may be able to offer you a little knowledge and some tips that can help you improve on the way you do things. Believe me, I can't tell you how many times I have spoken with older cops and walked away with so much more than I can get out of my college books. I know this thread goes on and on, I just hope you somehow see my message in it.

Posted by: GD

"I am just working my ass off to get a full time position, I probably learned and experienced more than someone coming out of the National Guard, and they get precedence. Sorry but I gotta gripe, yeah I am a reserve like I said, but I still endanger my life everytime I put that badge on my chest because I love the job."

Every person who ever wanted to be a police officer has worked their "ass" off to become full-time. I personally believe you shouldn't be a police officer until you reach 27 years old(not to offend anyone). At 27 years old, you have life experience which is almost as important as "on the job" expierience.
As far as " putting the badge on your chest because you love the job," there isn't a police officer/ state trooper who doesn't love the job(well most times). Be patient it will come grasshopper, but be patient.

Posted by: TheFuzz357

jsg2020 -
I resemble....ah I mean resent that comment about WSC grads!

There is a certain maturity level that comes with age. I said it in a previous post but the guys who graduated in my academy class that had the most trouble when they were on their own happened to be the youngest ones in our class. This does not necessarily pertain to police work. Most of the trouble they got into was on time off. They had problems differentiating between the authority of the uniform/badge and trying to aserp their authority on time off. Bottom line, it's a maturity thing!

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by msp357

jsg2020 -
I resemble....ah I mean resent that comment about WSC grads!

There is a certain maturity level that comes with age. I said it in a previous post but the guys who graduated in my academy class that had the most trouble when they were on their own happened to be the youngest ones in our class. This does not necessarily pertain to police work. Most of the trouble they got into was on time off. They had problems differentiating between the authority of the uniform/badge and trying to aserp their authority on time off. Bottom line, it's a maturity thing!

MSP357, you KNOW it's true...Brawls at Gabby's, Kelleher's, Davio's...It's part of the WSC curriculum.

Posted by: jimbo

I cannot imagine any police department, or corrections facility , hiring anyone under 21. You DO need the life experience of knowing what it's like to pay a bill b4 you just slam everyone without showing any , or at least a little discretion. You Do need to see and experience human nature, be able to relate, treat people with the respect you would want a family member to recieve, keep things in perspective and not over or under react.
My experience in State Corrections, State Campus Special Police and now as a full time Municipal Police Officer is that too often the younger officers try to misguidedly "prove themselves" by being over zealous and looking to arrest people or write them tickets - often under questionable circumstances.
The job is not about your "stats" !! No one is impressed by that - anyone can show no discretion or common sense and arrest or cite people for any number of offenses - if you do so, you are often seen as being not pragmatic, not showing common sense and as being an unfair pain in the @ss .
Discretion is a sign of maturity - how mature can you be when you've only recently graduated from high school !!?? You don't know much about marriage, you have not seen the consequences on a person's personal or family life when a hyper vigilant, often young officer , unfairly over reacts to a situation . Often, a lot of those same situations are resolved, without dramatics, by an officer with job and life experience- without causing a quagmire.
In addition, too often very young officers don't seem to know or care how difficult it can be for some people to pay their rent after recieving a questionable traffic fine. Trust me, I am no liberal, but I could not take a 19 year old kid seriously if he tried to "teach me a lesson" by trying to impress his boss with high arrest and citation statistics . I doubt his boss would be impressed with his lack of common sense or discretion. Does this happen ? Absolutely !!!!! Believe it or not, most people the Police interact with are decent people.

Maybe hiring young, immature and inexperienced 19 or 20 year olds works in some tiny towns , but I doubt it works well elsewhere . Just my experience and two cents worth - no disrespect meant to very young officers - i just think you should be doubled up with a senior officer for a year before you can act on your own. Life experience DOES count, don't under estimate it.

You are NOT a revenue agent for the state - use common sense, be pragmatic and fair - yahoos with high "statistics" are too often seen as being inflexible, unrealistic and unfair.... ask experienced officers if you doubt my words.
Officers who are only interested in their arrest and citation statistics seem to have too much time on their hands and too little common sense...

Posted by: mpd61

Yes!
What he said!

Posted by: Macop

Hey mikemac college grad or not I dont think that changes the perspective at all coming on the job. I case some of you that havent noticed, no degree usually means no job these days. So don't knock someone who goes to college to get the job because its a rat race and most P.Ds are looking for college degrees or did I miss something. When I was trying to get on a lot of older cops I would talk to for advice always asked if I had a degree.

Out here I see cops coming on that are very young, seems to be a trend or something. There is an 18yr old working in the town next to me, I have to say that the kid is very laid back and level headed and have backed him up on calls and vice versa, he can can over the town line anytime to back me up.

Posted by: mikemac64

There are merits to college and military. Neither is exclusive. People with college have been griping about not getting hired over someone who was in the guard. Well, in Civil Service towns, there is no requirement for college. Cut and dried.

No degree does not mean no job. In fact, Vet vs Degree will always win inside civil service. And remember, we have a war going on....lot's of vets returning. Some of you fella's may want to consider the Guard.

Now, you can always find the 18 year old who is ahead of the game, and you can always find a 60 year old who can run 6 minute miles. But they are few and far between. You have to work within parameters when hiring in these positions.

BTW, for the record, I disagree with the vet status as it is. I think they should add a couple of points instead of absolute preference. But the system is what the system is. You just have to work it.

Good luck.

Posted by: Macop

Mikemac, I agree with you on the vet status. Point for serving, yes but not absolute. I also agree with points for fallen Ofc kids but not absolute. If a person has a degree, experience and the appropiate academy, then that person should beat out anyine else. This was dicussed a while ago get ready for some bashing, lol.

Posted by: Killjoy

If college is such a maturing experience, how come the students at UMass, WNEC or Springfield College are the mouthiest, most disrespectful little turds on the face of the earth. I love these CJ students telling me how I'm "violating their rights" when I'm running field soberiety tests or searching them on odor of freshly burnt marijuana....

Posted by: Wolfman

Likewise, I've never had to respond to a riot at a military base after a sporting event, one needs only to look back on the recent mayhem after the World series and Super Bowl to realize that college is hardly the "maturing experience" it's made out to be.

Now maybe if students had to pay their own way through...

Posted by: Macop

If you were to look at my previous posts, there is nothing suggesting in any way shape or form that I think that college is a maturing experience, I don't know where that came from in fact, Masstroopers/Kiljoy after being a College Police Officer, I agree with the both of you 100%. What I am saying isand I apologize if I misrepresented myself is that a person who wants to be a Police Officer would do well in seeking a college degree or Military.

As we all know this is a very competitive job and every little thing on the resume helps. In fact with the exception of VT,NH and MA most p.ds require a degree or college credits to even apply. I have found after researching many Police dept web sites across the country (cause I hate MA like its my job) that in fact if you don't have a degree or credtis you have a better chance of growing wings and flying away than getting hired. Ive never see a Police Officer job in R.I that didnt require at least a 2yr degree.

Now i'm not saying a college grad is automatically better that a non-grad i'm merely implying that in this rat race a degree will probably put you over the top than someone who doesnt have one and the same with military for that matter. Because haveing a degree/military does not automatically make you better, although I would lean more on the side of the vet than the college grad.

As far as points for the civil circus exam, someone tell me why there are not points for haveing a Police Academy but there is for EMT and typing skills and living in the frigging juristiction 1 yr prior. Gimmie a break if you are a f/t cop or even a p/t cop in a non-civil circus agency campus or municipal you should beat out the person who is higher than you just beacuse they live in the dam town., unless that has changed.

I though I heard that MSP was or wanted to make some kind of degree requirments Mastroopers/Kiljoy is that so??

Now, let the hate responses come

Posted by: ROBOCOP1982

Blanket statements are usually always wrong. I worked as a summer officer when I was nineteen and twenty, and I would like to think I used appropriate discretion in the situations that I've dealt with. I'm in college right now, and yes...there are many irresponsible/immature students on my campus, but the converse is true as well. Working dispatch, I get calls from mommy and daddy trying to solve little Mikey’s problems for him. So no, just because someone graduated from college doesn’t mean they are automatically qualified to work as a cop. However, there are students that are grounded in reality.
On the flip side, being in the military doesn’t automatically make you ‘better’ than a college student as some have suggested. An officer that can’t write a report, understand complicated case law, and testify in court is just as much of a problem as one who can’t deal with stressful situations or take orders from superiors. Every person’s experience and background needs to be evaluated individually. That’s why there is an interview process, background investigation, medical evaluation, psychological evaluation and PAT. This whole thread is pointless, because blanket statements like the ones being professed recently are almost always wrong. There are good cops that under twenty-one. There are bad cops that are under twenty-one. There are good cops that over twenty-one. There are bad cops that are over twenty-one. There are great cops that were in the military, and there are great cops that were not. It depends on the individual.
On a side note, there has always been a stereotype that cops are uneducated doughnut eaters. Recently that banality has started to become less widespread. An educated police force is a big step in improving police and community relations. That’s my 2cents.

Posted by: Clouseau

[quote="GD As far as " putting the badge on your chest because you love the job," there isn't a police officer/ state trooper who doesn't love the job]
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Subject to change.

Lawman,

I find it amusing that you're already complaining about having a hard time getting on the job. At 21?...please.

There are guys{myself included} that became professional test takers because they were "trying" for so long. There are guys +40 still trying and will never get the job. Anyone getting on at 21-22 should consider themselves extremely lucky.

Can you explain your reasons for preferring to work with 21 year old cops rather than 32 year old cops?

Last week I got "stuck" with some 21 year old just out of the academy.
I will be the first one to try and help the junior man and teach him the ropes...but when he tries teaching me, and telling me that I'm going about things the wrong way... and it's only his second shift...?

I have never watched the clock like I did that night...I'm still trembling.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by ROBOCOP1982

Blanket statements are usually always wrong. I worked as a summer officer when I was nineteen and twenty, and I would like to think I used appropriate discretion in the situations that I've dealt with. I'm in college right now, and yes...there are many irresponsible/immature students on my campus, but the converse is true as well. Working dispatch, I get calls from mommy and daddy trying to solve little Mikey’s problems for him. So no, just because someone graduated from college doesn’t mean they are automatically qualified to work as a cop. However, there are students that are grounded in reality.
On the flip side, being in the military doesn’t automatically make you ‘better’ than a college student as some have suggested. An officer that can’t write a report, understand complicated case law, and testify in court is just as much of a problem as one who can’t deal with stressful situations or take orders from superiors. Every person’s experience and background needs to be evaluated individually. That’s why there is an interview process, background investigation, medical evaluation, psychological evaluation and PAT. This whole thread is pointless, because blanket statements like the ones being professed recently are almost always wrong. There are good cops that under twenty-one. There are bad cops that are under twenty-one. There are good cops that over twenty-one. There are bad cops that are over twenty-one. There are great cops that were in the military, and there are great cops that were not. It depends on the individual.
On a side note, there has always been a stereotype that cops are uneducated doughnut eaters. Recently that banality has started to become less widespread. An educated police force is a big step in improving police and community relations. That’s my 2cents.

Robo amen brother!!!

Now can we wrap up this useless topic. Like fish it begins to smell after three days!!!

Posted by: Killjoy

Yes - there could (and probably are) be under 21 people that are mature enough to be cops, but on the average, I would have to say that would be rare. Wisdom is about applying life experiences to your brain bucket and drawing on them on a later date. As we get older we simply accumulate more of these life experiences and can apply them to more situations. To say that a 19 year old, no matter how bright and well educated, can draw upon the same well of experience as a 35 year old is plain stupid. When I was 19, I had already returned from the Persian Gulf War, was insufferably arrogant, and thought I knew everything. When I was 22, I had just finished my enlistment and been to more places in 5 years than many people go in the lifetimes, and I thought I knew everything. When I was 26, I graduated from college, was working as an EMT in a major metropolitian area, and again, I thought I knew everything. When I was 27 I graduated the MSP academy, and guess what, I found out I didn't really know anything! The more my career progress the more I realize there are many things out there I have yet to learn.....

Think also about dealing with members of the public; many times you will be called upon to be the "adult" in some sort dispute, whether it be a traffic accident or domestic. People tend to be skeptical of a very young officer's ability and/or knowledge, and no, its not fair, but they go on their first impressions. When they see a baby-faced 20 year old officer they think 2 things; this guy can't have been on the force long, and this guy is younger than my kids. Many of my younger classmates have had issues because of their age (mostly disrespectful civilians).

Like I said, its not that a young ,under 21 person can't be an effective officer, its just an older officer is usually that much more effective.

Posted by: mpd61

Yes!
Like he just said.................even more!

Posted by: Maximus

i was unaware you could even be a cop under 21 most cops I've asked said it was 21 because of that reason so me being 20 didnt even think I could get a job. is this in smaller towns that aren't civil service or is it just what different departments do?

Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

It's what different depts. do. You will find more cops under the age of 21 as you travel out of state towards the west and the south.

Posted by: RPD931

My Sgt. started at 19... that was only about 9-10 yrs ago.

Posted by: Channy1984

From what I know most departments don't accept people under 21. Of course there are still departments that do but there's the competition that interfers. Not to mention most of them lack a certain background someone else might have, including all the people over 21 that have a 4 year degree or just came out of the military.

Posted by: Maximus

I think its a judgement call I mean you cant just say everyone has to be 21. At 20 right now I beileve/know i could handle a job in law enforcement it's what I've been looking to do for years. I can understand how some other 20 year olds may not have a level head on their shoulders but it's individual cases I'm sure after an interview or two and time at the acadamy it'd be easier to tell who can handle it and who can't but thats just my .02

Posted by: Wannabe1

Where are these towns that hire at such a young age? Are these full-time positions or are they reserves/summer help? All the towns(North Shore) that I live around never seem to hire really young guys.

Posted by: JoninNH

I remember reading in the paper about a small town police chief out west who was only 24. Just my off-topic

Posted by: RPD931

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Originally Posted by Wannabe1 @ Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:15 am

Where are these towns that hire at such a young age? Are these full-time positions or are they reserves/summer help? All the towns(North Shore) that I live around never seem to hire really young guys.

My Sgt. started at 19 as an Auxiliary, but armed and full powers. Got hired Perm P/T just before he hit 20 then F/T just before he hit 23.

Posted by: female p.o.

I was in the academy with a guy who turned 21 halfway through the academy, he was very mature for his age, and I hear he's a great cop.

Posted by: stm4710

Im 20 and have worked in the public safety field since I was 16, fire explorer then to EMA.
IMO for about the packet of sweet and low its worth, is that age (over 18 ) is a number . A kid at my department is just turned 18 and has been complimented over and over by people at FEMA,City and state troopers( at missing persons searches) for his maturity and his ability to " handle" the job.
I am in a perdicament now, I am 20 but will be 21 in May. I hopeing the departments will see beyond the age as a number and take into account "age" in my displaying of maturity.

JMOO

ps, I know a kid that is an Aux. in Newton and is 19.

Posted by: JoninNH

I think that a persons maturity is what matters, and in some cases age can be a good indicator of someones maturity. I think that you can only get a gauge on someones maturity, though, by interacting with them.

I know one officer who enlisted in the Army at 17 and became a at 20. He's a very levelheaded individual who does a good job. I'd like to credit his time in the Army as why he matured so quickly. Then there's a guy I went to school with, he is 25 years old, has a wife and 20 month old son and isn't responsible enough to set aside enough money to pay his rent. (He blew thru his paycheck buying games for his PS2 and new parts for his computer, never stopping to think what his wife and son might need.. you know, like a place to live or diapers?)

So there are some 20 yr olds who are mature enough to work public safety, and there are some 25 year olds out there who still act like they are in high school. There seem to me, however, to me many more mature 25 year olds then 20 year olds.

Posted by: Wannabe1

Yeah I was an Aux young too but I am talking about real full time paid cops.

Posted by: Irishpride

Interesting facts I came across not too long ago.....

According to the United States General Accounting Office's study report on Law Enforcement and Drug-Related Police Corruption (199

, officers lacking maturity and a higher education were more susceptible to drug related police corruption. The GOA strongly recommended increasing the minimum age of police officers to 21 and requiring a minimum education of 60 college credits.

There is also a PERF study that found that college educated and older police officers have fewer citizens’ complaints lodged against them.

Personally I think younger than 21 is too young.
As far as the education matter goes, without it the public will forever view police work as unprofessional jobs. I really don't think it makes anyone better or worse (I know some real morons who have alphabet soup after their names and I know some 1st class officers w/a GED) but it becomes a matter of public perception.

Posted by: MatchStick

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As far as the education matter goes, without it the public will forever view police work as unprofessional jobs. I really don't think it makes anyone better or worse (I know some real morons who have alphabet soup after their names and I know some 1st class officers w/a GED) but it becomes a matter of public perception.

Well said.

Posted by: bdc217

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Originally Posted by Delta9";p=&quot

So does this apply to Campus Police Officers and Private Security Special Police Officers as well?

Alot of campus police officers are actually Special State Police, with the state police powers

Posted by: SilverSnap

I got a quick question. Police officers have a duty to act, whether on duty or not, correct? So that being the case how would one expect a police officer to act against a bank robber with no weapon? Wouldn't the officer be acting under his official duties (if in his or her town), even though off duty?

Posted by: billj

Bump

Bill would raise age of police applicants
December 28, 2004

Applicants to police departments across the state may soon have to meet a new minimum age requirement under a bill approved by the Legislature yesterday. If Governor Mitt Romney signs the measure, the minimum age for police officers would be raised to 21 from the current minimum of 19. Recruitment qualifications posted on the websites for the Boston Police Department and the Massachusetts State Police require applicants to be at least 19 years old to apply for a position.

Posted by: Wolfman

I got a quick question. Police officers have a duty to act, whether on duty or not, correct?
Nope. You have a duty to act while on the clock, otherwise discretion is the better part of valor.

So that being the case how would one expect a police officer to act against a bank robber with no weapon?
Eyes open - mouth shut - blend in - go home alive. OTOH, if you're carrying a badge you better be carrying a weapon, otherwise you're in trouble when the bank robber starts taking people's wallets and comes across yours. "Well, well, well, lookee what we have here..."

Wouldn't the officer be acting under his official duties (if in his or her town), even though off duty?
Unfortunately a common misconception about police is that they wear their capes and tights under their street clothes and should malfeasance hit whilst off duty, they burst forth to save the day. More accurately, an off duty officer makes a slightly better witness and that's about it. You mention a bank robbery....how about unarmed robbery - or shoplifiting - or a kid smoking a joint at a concert - or double parking...where exactly is the line drawn? You gotta know when to turn it off.

Posted by: NACop

couldn't have said it better!

Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Originally Posted by billj";p=&quot

Bump

Bill would raise age of police applicants
December 28, 2004

Applicants to police departments across the state may soon have to meet a new minimum age requirement under a bill approved by the Legislature yesterday. If Governor Mitt Romney signs the measure, the minimum age for police officers would be raised to 21 from the current minimum of 19. Recruitment qualifications posted on the websites for the Boston Police Department and the Massachusetts State Police require applicants to be at least 19 years old to apply for a position.

Ok, so this bill alledgidly passed, now my question is, Will those who are all ready gainfully employed by a department, that are under 21, be grandfathered, or will they loose there jobs?

Posted by: SOT

I'm no lawyer but
1. I think it says applicants, not employees.
2. I'm not entirely sure they would pass a law to make something retroactively "prohibited" when it comes to employment where the person is an adult. Just think of the lawsuits.

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Ok, so this bill alledgidly passed, now my question is, Will those who are all ready gainfully employed by a department, that are under 21, be grandfathered, or will they loose there jobs?

Posted by: copchika911

Don't start applying to BlockBuster just yet, I'm almost positive that all parties that held a position before the Bill was passed "are" in fact grandfathered into it. That's how it usually happens. The Bill was passed for future applicants. (which I fully support)

Posted by: massirishcop

I would personally like to see a new officer when hired be at least 26 or 27 and have some life experience. But thats just my opinion.....

Posted by: massirishcop

As far as some municipal Depts go, to say that 32 is to old is just crazy. There are players in the NFL that are older than that......if a person is in good physical condition they should be able to come on this job at 35, 36. But I guess the people at civil service know best............lol

Posted by: SOT

that's an interesting situation....they raise the bar for incoming on the youger side, shouldn't they raise ti equally on the far side...they just cut their candidate pool by a bit.

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As far as some municipal Depts go, to say that 32 is to old is just crazy. There are players in the NFL that are older than that......if a person is in good physical condition they should be able to come on this job at 35, 36. But I guess the people at civil service know best............lol

Posted by: marlboroughpd

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They probably have that cut off implemented because they want very long term officers i guess. They want officers for 30-40 years before they have to end up replacing the guy from retirement. They dont want to have to replace dont want to have to replace a guy in 15 or so years.

Posted by: DC813

Chapter 12 of the Acts of 2005

AN ACT RELATIVE TO THE MINIMUM AGE FOR APPOINTMENT AS A POLICE OFFICER.

Whereas , The deferred operation of this act would tend to defeat its purpose, which is to allow certain persons to take the civil service examination for police officer, therefore it is hereby declared to be an emergency law, necessary for the immediate preservation of the public convenience.<_Ò>>

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:

Notwithstanding section 58 of chapter 31 of the General Laws or any other general or special law to the contrary, any otherwise eligible person shall be eligible to take the April 2005 examination for original appointment to the position of police officer in any city or town if he will not have reached his twenty-first birthday on or before the final date for the filing of applications for such examination but shall have reached his twenty-first birthday on or before the date of the examination.

Posted by: SJR87

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Originally Posted by DC813";p=&quot

Chapter 12 of the Acts of 2005

AN ACT RELATIVE TO THE MINIMUM AGE FOR APPOINTMENT AS A POLICE OFFICER.

Whereas , The deferred operation of this act would tend to defeat its purpose, which is to allow certain persons to take the civil service examination for police officer, therefore it is hereby declared to be an emergency law, necessary for the immediate preservation of the public convenience.&lt;_Ò&gt;&gt;

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:

Notwithstanding section 58 of chapter 31 of the General Laws or any other general or special law to the contrary, any otherwise eligible person shall be eligible to take the April 2005 examination for original appointment to the position of police officer in any city or town if he will not have reached his twenty-first birthday on or before the final date for the filing of applications for such examination but shall have reached his twenty-first birthday on or before the date of the examination.

so does this apply to just civil service, or to all police dept's?

Posted by: USMCMP5811

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so does this apply to just civil service, or to all police dept's?

All Departments in the Commonwealth of Mass.

Posted by: Mitpo62

Gosh, to be 21 again......

Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Gosh, to be 21 again......

I say to be 17 and a senior in high school again knowing what I know now........hmmm and to maybe have a teacher like kttref.........

Posted by: reno911_2004

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Gosh, to be 21 again......

I say to be 17 and a senior in high school again knowing what I know now........hmmm and to maybe have a teacher like kttref.........

Yeah, I here she's quite a TILF

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Gosh, to be 21 again......

I say to be 17 and a senior in high school again knowing what I know now........hmmm and to maybe have a teacher like kttref.........

Yeah, I here she's quite a TILF

Yup, heard that to reno......

Posted by: reno911_2004

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I'm a TILF

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Posted by: kttref

I have got to learn to keep my mouth shut....you all realize my husband reads these posts too....right?

And I never said that, a student said that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Originally Posted by kttref";p=&quot

I have got to learn to keep my mouth shut....you all realize my husband reads these posts too....right?

And I never said that, a student said that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kate,

Now we al know what assume means here but I'm going to go out on a limb...........If I were your husband I think I would be flattered that we all here think your a TILF.

......... and i was wondering when you were going to perk up on this.......

besides, I think we all had at least one TILF from back in school....... I know I had 3

Posted by: kttref

Haha....well when you put it like that, I guess it's ok...

Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Haha....well when you put it like that, I guess it's ok...

are you starting to feel the love here?

Posted by: kttref

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Haha....well when you put it like that, I guess it's ok...

are you starting to feel the love here?

Always have

Posted by: badger_bagger

You can carry on your badge in Mass off duty if you are a full-time sworn officer and you are carrying your issued duty weapon.

Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Originally Posted by badger_bagger";p=&quot

You can carry on your badge in Mass off duty if you are a full-time sworn officer and you are carrying your issued duty weapon.

Ummmmmmm, Ok were you like waiting in line for Star Wars tickets for some time or what? Badger, since the passing of H.R. 218, any sworn officer can carry in another state, their duty weapon or off duty weapon.

Plus you also need a Department ID to go along with that badge.

Posted by: Crvtte65

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Originally Posted by badger_bagger";p=&quot

You can carry on your badge in Mass off duty if you are a full-time sworn officer and you are carrying your issued duty weapon.

Badger, did you seriously just answer a question that was asked in 2002?

Posted by: mpd61

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Now...............
Some additional info on this subject;

M.P.T.C. POLICY ON
TRANSPORTING OF FIREARMS
BY STUDENT OFFICERS

The M.P.T.C. wants all police departments to be fully informed of the recently enacted changes to Firearms Law in Massachusetts. These changes impact on the firearms segment of the Basic Curriculum for Municipal Police Officers. Under the provisions of MGL c. 41, §96B, persons attending the Basic Curriculum to become police officers are Student Officers (with the exception of returned to duty officers). As Student Officers, it is questionable if they are entitled by law to carry firearms without a proper license to carry.
Therefore, when Student Officers are to attend the firearms qualification segment of the Basic Curriculum, consideration must be given to the above. Only those Student Officers who are in possession of a license to carry may transport firearms. Departments must make other arrangements for the transportation of firearms for those Student Officers who do not possess a license to carry. A person who has a license to carry could transport the weapons or the department could transport the weapons to the range and leave them in the safekeeping of the range instructor.

In order to avoid these problems, one of the following courses of action must be taken prior to the firearms segment of the Basic Curriculum:

The Student Officer must have a license to carry

A person with a license to carry must transport the firearms to and from the range

The department must make arrangements for the transportation of their firearms to and from the range and place in the safekeeping of an instructor

I believe people need to stop dreaming about carrying firearms, "under the badge" if you're under 21! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: kttref

MPD - How exactly, do you "eat fuck"...I can understanding "eat shit" or "eat me"...but "eat fuck" I just can't comprehend.

Posted by: mpd61

Katy,

Your youth and inexperience is beginning to peak out

Posted by: kttref

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Originally Posted by mpd61";p=&quot

Katy,

Your youth and inexperience is beginning to peak out

Hey, I'm married...youth and inexperience my ass!

Posted by: extraining guy

Age don't matter, ( I've worked with 50 year olds who never grew up)
military don't matter (what does 4 years of scrapping bird crap off a runway in Guam do for you? except get you 2 full points(on all exams) and early retirement (buy back) makes me wished I went in the bird crap business - but nothing remotely job related) (Soldiers kill/cops "control") You use anything they teach in the military (except that "marching in a straight line" stuff while in the academy) and you will be in a world of S**T ,
college don't matter (get in school as soon as you get appointed though (Quinn Bill $$$$$).
Score on the Civil Service Test matters,
political connections matter.

Posted by: SJR87

Quote:

Originally Posted by extraining guy

Age don't matter, ( I've worked with 50 year olds who never grew up)
military don't matter (what does 4 years of scrapping bird crap off a runway in Guam do for you? except get you 2 full points(on all exams) and early retirement (buy back) makes me wished I went in the bird crap business - but nothing remotely job related) (Soldiers kill/cops "control") You use anything they teach in the military (except that "marching in a straight line" stuff while in the academy) and you will be in a world of S**T ,
college don't matter (get in school as soon as you get appointed though (Quinn Bill $$$$$).
Score on the Civil Service Test matters,
political connections matter.

well i dont know what the deal is but i have been told that you can still get on as a reserve under 21. now most depts seem to require you to have 60 credits and even those that dont i dont think there is much chance of getting hried, but its worth a shot i guess

Posted by: Crvtte65

Since the topic of this thread is now null and void and the appropriate bill has been posted to update those that didn't know... it's time to kill the thread from 2002...

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