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Posted by: FutureCop23

Hi all, just a quick question for you. I am strongly considering joining the Coast Guard. I can see the many advantages; training,discipline,experience,vets pref, etc. I was just wondering how much of an advantage I would have for non-CS towns. I know vets get pref. with CS, but do non-CS departments consider military experience more valuable than CS? Thanks, any info would be great!!!!



Posted by: Wolfman

I think honorable military experience will get you an upper hand with pretty much anything you do in life. If a department does not consider military time to be an asset in police work, then you may want to reconsider being affiliated with that department. Personally, I would rate it more important than college.



Posted by: USMCMP5811

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I think honorable military experience will get you an upper hand with pretty much anything you do in life. If a department does not consider military time to be an asset in police work, then you may want to reconsider being affiliated with that department. Personally, I would rate it more important than college.


I agree 100% with Wolfman on this. Honorable military time shows a certain level of maturity in my book.



Posted by: kttref

I agree that honorable military time is fantastic...but what kills me is, I have a college degree and that doesn't mean crap when it comes to LE. Yet someone who could have honorable military time, and still be bloody psycho will get 2-5 points more then me on a test.



Posted by: john77

What about if someone is currently serving in the ANG? I ask only becaue I am thinking about joining with a Security Arms MOS.



Posted by: NegroRotary

John 77 you have to have at least 180 of active duty time to be considered a vet.



Posted by: Southside

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John 77 you have to have at least 180 of active duty time to be considered a vet.
I think they changed this!



Posted by: Mitpo62

"bloody psycho" reminds me of my days in the bush.....



Posted by: john77

I believe it is 180 days during peacetime and 90 days during war time. Since "major combat operations" are over in Iraq, I don't know whether or not it is still considered war time right now. I bet if you ask the guys over there, they still consider it war time.



Posted by: billj

[quote="john77";p="65302"]I believe it is 180 days during peacetime and 90 days during war time. Since "major combat operations" are over in Iraq, I don't know whether or not it is still considered war time right now. I bet if you ask the guys over there, they still consider it war time.[/quote

Any active duty time since Aug 2 1990 is considered wartime service.



Posted by: USMCMP5811

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I believe it is 180 days during peacetime and 90 days during war time. Since "major combat operations" are over in Iraq, I don't know whether or not it is still considered war time right now. I bet if you ask the guys over there, they still consider it war time.[/quote

Any active duty time since Aug 2 1990 is considered wartime service.

Big Neg on that. It pretty much coincides with the issuance of the National Defense Medal. The last two being, Aug 2, 1990 till Jul 1, 1996 (Gulf War Part I) and Sept 11, 2001 to pres. Also there are specific campaigns that also fall into place such as Granada, Panama, and Lebanon.



Posted by: billj

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I believe it is 180 days during peacetime and 90 days during war time. Since "major combat operations" are over in Iraq, I don't know whether or not it is still considered war time right now. I bet if you ask the guys over there, they still consider it war time.[/quote

Any active duty time since Aug 2 1990 is considered wartime service.

Big Neg on that. It pretty much coincides with the issuance of the National Defense Medal. The last two being, Aug 2, 1990 till Jul 1, 1996 (Gulf War Part I) and Sept 11, 2001 to pres. Also there are specific campaigns that also fall into place such as Granada, Panama, and Lebanon.
My response was based on the fact that I got veterans pref on the 99 and 01 civil service exam while still on active duty....I joined in 1997. Also Romney has changed it to basically any military serivce., although I havent really looked at the new regs.

Also found this link:
http://www.mass.gov/Eveterans/docs/wartime_chart.pdf



Posted by: USMCMP5811

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I believe it is 180 days during peacetime and 90 days during war time. Since "major combat operations" are over in Iraq, I don't know whether or not it is still considered war time right now. I bet if you ask the guys over there, they still consider it war time.[/quote

Any active duty time since Aug 2 1990 is considered wartime service.

Big Neg on that. It pretty much coincides with the issuance of the National Defense Medal. The last two being, Aug 2, 1990 till Jul 1, 1996 (Gulf War Part I) and Sept 11, 2001 to pres. Also there are specific campaigns that also fall into place such as Granada, Panama, and Lebanon.
My response was based on the fact that I got veterans pref on the 99 and 01 civil service exam while still on active duty....I joined in 1997. Also Romney has changed it to basically any military serivce., although I havent really looked at the new regs.

Also found this link:
http://www.mass.gov/Eveterans/docs/wartime_chart.pdf


Wow, Consider yourself lucky........ I also went in in 97 and did't get Vet status untill Romney changed the policy on Vet status. (The only thing I think the idiot has done right so far and no I'm not a Demacrat)



Posted by: ProudAmerican

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I think honorable military experience will get you an upper hand with pretty much anything you do in life. If a department does not consider military time to be an asset in police work, then you may want to reconsider being affiliated with that department. Personally, I would rate it more important than college.


I agree 100% with Wolfman on this. Honorable military time shows a certain level of maturity in my book.

Oorah hard charger! I just noticed your username. All this time I didn't realize you were a fellow devil dog. What's your MOS? As for myself I was 0311 with 1-11 out of San Mateo Camp Pendleton. Holler back devil dog.



Posted by: ProudAmerican

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I agree that honorable military time is fantastic...but what kills me is, I have a college degree and that doesn't mean crap when it comes to LE. Yet someone who could have honorable military time, and still be bloody psycho will get 2-5 points more then me on a test.
I totally agree! We should get at least 10 more additional points!



Posted by: USMCMP5811

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I think honorable military experience will get you an upper hand with pretty much anything you do in life. If a department does not consider military time to be an asset in police work, then you may want to reconsider being affiliated with that department. Personally, I would rate it more important than college.


I agree 100% with Wolfman on this. Honorable military time shows a certain level of maturity in my book.

Oorah hard charger! I just noticed your username. All this time I didn't realize you were a fellow devil dog. What's your MOS? As for myself I was 0311 with 1-11 out of San Mateo Camp Pendleton. Holler back devil dog.


Proud American,

All my info is in my screen name USMCMP5811


Broken down in 3 parts, first the obvious USMC
second MP being Military Police
third 5811 being the MOS code for Military Police.

As far as duty stations besides the obvious MCRD Paris Island and MCB Camp LeJune. NC. did my MOS Schooling at Ft McClullan (Ft McMuffin as we called it) AL, Did time with the 1stMAW in Okinawa where I got to spend some time in Hawaii, Guam, and a few other nice ports of call My final Duty station was MCB Quantico, VA where you might as well have glued your right hand to your cover......



Posted by: ProudAmerican

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I think honorable military experience will get you an upper hand with pretty much anything you do in life. If a department does not consider military time to be an asset in police work, then you may want to reconsider being affiliated with that department. Personally, I would rate it more important than college.


I agree 100% with Wolfman on this. Honorable military time shows a certain level of maturity in my book.

Oorah hard charger! I just noticed your username. All this time I didn't realize you were a fellow devil dog. What's your MOS? As for myself I was 0311 with 1-11 out of San Mateo Camp Pendleton. Holler back devil dog.


Proud American,

All my info is in my screen name USMCMP5811


Broken down in 3 parts, first the obvious USMC
second MP being Military Police
third 5811 being the MOS code for Military Police.

As far as duty stations besides the obvious MCRD Paris Island and MCB Camp LeJune. NC. did my MOS Schooling at Ft McClullan (Ft McMuffin as we called it) AL, Did time with the 1stMAW in Okinawa where I got to spend some time in Hawaii, Guam, and a few other nice ports of call My final Duty station was MCB Quantico, VA where you might as well have glued your right hand to your cover......

Did you attend PI in the summer months? Those sand fleas were wonderful weren't day? I was all gung ho about infantry until about 3rd phase of boot camp. My recruiter had made it seem like I'd be playing GI Joe in the field from 0800 to 1600 monday thru friday. That mofo never mentioned I'd be staying out there for weeks sometimes months. No offense to you but MP's are d*cks! At least the ones on Pendleton.



Posted by: TripleSeven

I know State Police agencies really like to see prior military, but college degree's are becoming more important these days. I have an Associate's in CJ and plan to later pursue a bachelor's after i get on the job. If I were not to get picked up this summer, I will most likley sign on with the USMC or Army.



Posted by: NegroRotary

If I was you, I would sign already.



Posted by: ProudAmerican

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I know State Police agencies really like to see prior military, but college degree's are becoming more important these days. I have an Associate's in CJ and plan to later pursue a bachelor's after i get on the job. If I were not to get picked up this summer, I will most likley sign on with the USMC or Army.
If you decide to go USMC let me know if you have any questions. I'll be able to let you know if your recruiter is BSing you. I can also let you know what to expect in boot camp and the fleet.



Posted by: ProudAmerican

One more thing, He's right about how a college degree is becoming more important to LE than military service. This of course does not apply to CS depts but I have noticed it.



Posted by: ProudAmerican

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I believe it is 180 days during peacetime and 90 days during war time. Since "major combat operations" are over in Iraq, I don't know whether or not it is still considered war time right now. I bet if you ask the guys over there, they still consider it war time.[/quote

Any active duty time since Aug 2 1990 is considered wartime service.

Big Neg on that. It pretty much coincides with the issuance of the National Defense Medal. The last two being, Aug 2, 1990 till Jul 1, 1996 (Gulf War Part I) and Sept 11, 2001 to pres. Also there are specific campaigns that also fall into place such as Granada, Panama, and Lebanon.
My response was based on the fact that I got veterans pref on the 99 and 01 civil service exam while still on active duty....I joined in 1997. Also Romney has changed it to basically any military serivce., although I havent really looked at the new regs.

Also found this link:
http://www.mass.gov/Eveterans/docs/wartime_chart.pdf


Wow, Consider yourself lucky........ I also went in in 97 and did't get Vet status untill Romney changed the policy on Vet status. (The only thing I think the idiot has done right so far and no I'm not a Demacrat)
That's weird. I went in in 96 and all I had to do was provide Ashburton place with a letter from my CO stating I was active duty and I got my vet status. This was way before I was sent to Afghanistan.



Posted by: lt.drebbin

McNeice what happened to the LAPD and the Vermont state police.. If you want to go into the service You will not do better than the Marines. and you wont have to ask if the recruiter is b. sing you. Assume that they are and take things one step at a time.



Posted by: TripleSeven

The military is my option if I am not hired by either department. I will be finding out from the VSP within a couple weeks, and that is looking very promising... I went on a ride along last friday night and the Trooper I went with, as well as another Trooper who is a DI in the academy both wrote emails to recruiting making reccomendations for me. I am still flying out to CA next month to finish the LAPD process and do a ride along with LA Copper. Family reasons, including the health of my father may keep me in New England for now. I'm tired of working security jobs and i'm ready to move on... I'm only 23, so If somehow things don't work out for me with VSP and LAPD, then the military would most likley be my next avenue. BTW, if i have any regrets in life, it would be the fact that i wanted to, but didn't join the Marines out of high school which was almost 6 years ago. So my advice I give to anyone younger than me is if they are not sure what to do, not thrilled about full time college... the USMC can certainly help steer you in the right direction



Posted by: USMCMP5811

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I think honorable military experience will get you an upper hand with pretty much anything you do in life. If a department does not consider military time to be an asset in police work, then you may want to reconsider being affiliated with that department. Personally, I would rate it more important than college.


I agree 100% with Wolfman on this. Honorable military time shows a certain level of maturity in my book.

Oorah hard charger! I just noticed your username. All this time I didn't realize you were a fellow devil dog. What's your MOS? As for myself I was 0311 with 1-11 out of San Mateo Camp Pendleton. Holler back devil dog.


Proud American,

All my info is in my screen name USMCMP5811


Broken down in 3 parts, first the obvious USMC
second MP being Military Police
third 5811 being the MOS code for Military Police.

As far as duty stations besides the obvious MCRD Paris Island and MCB Camp LeJune. NC. did my MOS Schooling at Ft McClullan (Ft McMuffin as we called it) AL, Did time with the 1stMAW in Okinawa where I got to spend some time in Hawaii, Guam, and a few other nice ports of call My final Duty station was MCB Quantico, VA where you might as well have glued your right hand to your cover......

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Did you attend PI in the summer months? Those sand fleas were wonderful weren't day? .
No, I did my time at Pi from Dec to Feb. that was an added extra pleasure. some days were 90 degrees and others were 10 degrees. mix of hot and cold. you can acclamate yourself to a certin range of temps but not that extream. The sand fleas were just as much of a bitch though. I remember going through Company inspection and having one knawing on my eardrum while being drilled by the CO



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I was all gung ho about infantry until about 3rd phase of boot camp. My recruiter had made it seem like I'd be playing GI Joe in the field from 0800 to 1600 monday thru friday. That mofo never mentioned I'd be staying out there for weeks sometimes months.
Hell you should have known that going in, but hey you know what USMC stands for.... U Signed the Mother f'n Contract. The only thing that realy sucked about being in the field was the lack of showers and hot chow or anything other than an MRE for that matter

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No offense to you but MP's are d*cks! At least the ones on Pendleton.
Hey secure that shit right now. Those guys and girls were doing their job. I had a lot of friends that were stationed at Pendleton as MP's. Most of the time it was the Grunts being drunk and stupid that created problems ( On Oki it was mostly 2/3, 2/4, 3/2, and then there was 7th Comm or 7th Crime as I called them, being the problem children.)


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That's weird. I went in in 96 and all I had to do was provide Ashburton place with a letter from my CO stating I was active duty and I got my vet status. This was way before I was sent to Afghanistan..
When did you exactly go in? like I said before the cut off date was July 1, 1996.



Posted by: ProudAmerican

I went to boot camp on july 29, 1996. I took my first civil service exam in 99. When the results came back it showed I was not a vet. I called Ashburton and they said all I needed was a letter from my command confirming my enlistment status.

As for the MP thing a majority of them were d*cks. You give an 18 year with no life experience a badge, gun, and a whole lot of power it tends to get to their heads. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but you get the idea.



Posted by: USMCMP5811

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I went to boot camp on july 29, 1996. I took my first civil service exam in 99. When the results came back it showed I was not a vet. I called Ashburton and they said all I needed was a letter from my command confirming my enlistment status.

As for the MP thing a majority of them were d*cks. You give an 18 year with no life experience a badge, gun, and a whole lot of power it tends to get to their heads. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but you get the idea.


Hmmmm........ You were one to slip through the cracks then....... I hear you about the no life experiances although they were 19 Y/O's (in the crotch, you have to be 19 by the time you graduate from the Accademy) I had to deal with a few and set them streight but in th end, 99% of them turned out to be fine Marines and cops. Like any profession, you have your good and bad apples that ruin it for the rest of us.



Posted by: DVET1979

All my Marine recruiter PROMISED me was a haircut and a hard time, as far as everything else went- it was just a big maybe. Thank God that maybe turned out to be MOSTLY true.



Posted by: USMCMP5811

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All my Marine recruiter PROMISED me was a haircut and a hard time, as far as everything else went- it was just a big maybe. Thank God that maybe turned out to be MOSTLY true.




My recruiter promised me a realy bad hair cut.....He was right about that.



Posted by: EOD1

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All my Marine recruiter PROMISED me was a haircut and a hard time, as far as everything else went- it was just a big maybe. Thank God that maybe turned out to be MOSTLY true.




My recruiter promised me a realy bad hair cut.....He was right about that.
i can relate i don't think it would be possible for the barbers on the island to be worse than the ones @ benning unless they were using blind alcoholic chimps. god those were just terrible/painful haircuts.



Posted by: USMCMP5811

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All my Marine recruiter PROMISED me was a haircut and a hard time, as far as everything else went- it was just a big maybe. Thank God that maybe turned out to be MOSTLY true.




My recruiter promised me a realy bad hair cut.....He was right about that.
i can relate i don't think it would be possible for the barbers on the island to be worse than the ones @ benning unless they were using blind alcoholic chimps. god those were just terrible/painful haircuts.





Yup, I hear you there EOD, Nothing like the feeling of a pair of clippers thar are red hot, dull, and haven't been oiled in their lifetime to graze your skull. I think they pulled more hair out than they cut. nfire:



Posted by: EOD1

ooooohhhhh yeah they definately pulled out more hair then they cut, it would have hurt less if they used a rock!!!



Posted by: kiberdk

I just recently seperated from the US Army as a Military Policeman and I came back to MA to get a job in law enforcement. Although I am a certified officer in North Carolina, my military experience held more weight in determining what part of the academy I have to attend. I am starting with Campus Police as an SSPO, and I am attending the reserve-intermittent academy, and I will soon be taking college classes in my spare time (at no cost). I eventually want to work in a municipality in the merrimack valley when I am done with all of this. I enjoy campus work, although unarmed and no Chap 90, it looks better on a resume than McDonalds.



Posted by: kiberdk

What about bloody psychos with a college degree??? The military has a tendency to "weed out" the psychos, what does the college/university do about em?



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Originally Posted by kttref
I agree that honorable military time is fantastic...but what kills me is, I have a college degree and that doesn't mean crap when it comes to LE. Yet someone who could have honorable military time, and still be bloody psycho will get 2-5 points more then me on a test.




Posted by: Crvtte65

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Originally Posted by kiberdk
What about bloody psychos with a college degree??? The military has a tendency to "weed out" the psychos, what does the college/university do about em?
I'd have to say there are psycho's everywhere. Military just weeds out the undisciplined psycho's. College shows better time management I feel because not everything is set up for you (ie. when to do what). Military does show that a person can handle stress in areas that college cannot (ie. war time). Both have pro's/con's but I would like to see both be either equally weighed or not weighed. Just because someone was in the military doesn't make them great for the job, and just because someone has a PhD doesn't make them great for the job.



Posted by: DVET1979

College does not relate that much to police work. I already have an associates degree and working towards my bachelors. I have also attended a reserve/intermittent academy and the Boston Special Academy. I am currently working as a Boston Special and I learned more from the academies than my two years of college with a concemtration in Criminal Justice. The Military shows GREAT time managment along with discipline, teamwork, and being able to conduct yourself as an adult. College students generally have the Burger King attitude "WE MAKE IT YOUR WAY" , and are usually catered to by liberal faculty who are anti- "anything wearing a uniform" to begin with. Having a college degree however, will give you legitimacy in a non police environment and is a definite plus with anything you do in life.





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