| Originally Posted by PapaBear  As was stated in a discussion the yesterday, if the court, in its infinite wisdom, is using that argument, then they must rule that polygamy, marriage to a child under 16, and many other laws must be negated in an effort to appease all individuals who wish to claim equal rights. |
| Originally Posted by PapaBear As was stated in a discussion the yesterday, if the court, in its infinite wisdom, is using that argument, then they must rule that polygamy, marriage to a child under 16, and many other laws must be negated in an effort to appease all individuals who wish to claim equal rights. |
| Originally Posted by resqjyw0 They're among those that are fighting to take away my privilege to hunt, and my right to keep and bear arms. They do it because it doesn't affect them, |
| Originally Posted by resqjyw0 This country was founded on Christian beliefs. If you're going to allow same-sex marriage, you may as well take God out of the Plege of Allegiance and off our currency. |
| Originally Posted by resqjyw0 If everyone was normal and was attracted to the opposite sex, this wouldn't be an issue of equal rights. In fact, this wouldn't be an issue at all. |
| Originally Posted by resqjyw0 Fighting same-sex marriage is a lost cause because all people shout is equal rights and discrimination. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy but are against progressive social ideals that in the long run make for a better society. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy After reading your post Mr. resgjywo, I believe you are the one with the disorder. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy If you are a Cop, which based on your command of the English language would find hard to believe, |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy I am troubled that you are charged with protecting the general public and people like yourself, with such ignorant and narrow minded views are populating the gene poll. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy Gay people are not flocking to Massachusetts to get married. This is a fact that is quite easy to check. Massachusetts, which is suffering from a decline in population, has seen a small increase in well educated, decent, tax paying professionals who have moved to the Bay State because it affords basic civil rights to all its citizens. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy As for all Gay people being liberals, 1. You don't know what you are talking about. And 2. I don't think you have had enough contact with Gay people to make that statement. In 1990, I was one of 3 Co-Founders of the Log Cabin Club, a national group of moderate to conservative Gay Republicans. The group is still very active today with chapters in more than 40 states and a national office in DC. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy I left the Republican party when it was taken over by right wing nuts. Most gay people I know and I think I know many, are fiscal conservatives and social liberals. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy I find it funny when some Cops are all for the liberal ideals that they benefit from, like union representation, overtime pay, disability and retirement benefits, but are against progressive social ideals that in the long run make for a better society. |
| This is a social issue, not a fiscal one. Therefore, I rest my case... |
| Originally Posted by PaulKersey Says who? How, or why, would it make for a better society? Because a certain group thinks it would? What about the other group that believes in God and country, has traditional values, and knows what's been working since 1620? Some look at this relatively new {free for all, anything goes} attitude as destructive. Many believe it's tearing down the foundation that this country was built upon. Look around. Tell me if this country is going in the right direction. What's next? After all, anything goes, right? That German Shepherd across the street is looking mighty fine. |
| Originally Posted by PapaBear In all probability it will become a ballot initiative in November, again! This time it will be to change the State Constitution so it states that marriage in California is between and man and a woman. That was the entire argument this go around - the equal rights issue. As was stated in a discussion the yesterday, if the court, in its infinite wisdom, is using that argument, then they must rule that polygamy, marriage to a child under 16, and many other laws must be negated in an effort to appease all individuals who wish to claim equal rights. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy After reading your post Mr. resgjywo, I believe you are the one with the disorder. If you are a Cop, which based on your command of the English language would find hard to believe, I am troubled that you are charged with protecting the general public and people like yourself, with such ignorant and narrow minded views are populating the gene poll. Gay people are not flocking to Massachusetts to get married. This is a fact that is quite easy to check. Massachusetts, which is suffering from a decline in population, has seen a small increase in well educated, decent, tax paying professionals who have moved to the Bay State because it affords basic civil rights to all its citizens. As for all Gay people being liberals, 1. You don't know what you are talking about. And 2. I don't think you have had enough contact with Gay people to make that statement. In 1990, I was one of 3 Co-Founders of the Log Cabin Club, a national group of moderate to conservative Gay Republicans. The group is still very active today with chapters in more than 40 states and a national office in DC. I left the Republican party when it was taken over by right wing nuts. Most gay people I know and I think I know many, are fiscal conservatives and social liberals. I find it funny when some Cops are all for the liberal ideals that they benefit from, like union representation, overtime pay, disability and retirement benefits, but are against progressive social ideals that in the long run make for a better society. And after this post, I am fully prepared for the onslaught of name calling and insipid remarks that are headed in my direction. |
| Originally Posted by MM1799 And yet there are also "normal" (as you put it) Americans who want to take away those rights also -- I guess its not just a gay thing. You make some pretty broad generalizations. It's actually kind of sad to see such closed-mindedness. |
| Originally Posted by MM1799 Yet not everyone is Christain so why should everyone fall under those beliefs? Everytime someone tries to push their ideals (ISLAM) on everyone; people are up in arms (as I am). Why should you be allowed to push your ideals on everyone. How is that different? |
| Originally Posted by MM1799 What exactly gave you the authority to be the be-all, end-all of what is considered "normal"? |
| Originally Posted by MM1799 Are they not citizens of the United States of America? Are they not guaranteed inalienable rights under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? |
| Originally Posted by MM1799 How can I be a hypocrite and ask another citizen to forgo their 1st amendment rights if they are clearly being excluded because they are gay? |
| Originally Posted by resqjyw0 My exact words: "I attribute why this state is so screwed up in part to the gays. Not every liberal is gay, so I can't attribute all of it." Ok. Religion aside. It still goes against nature. What is normal is heterosexual relationships. It is natural. I don't think we have gotten to the point yet where two guys fucking each other in the ass is normal. So you're saying we should support someone's psychological disorder that goes against nature by being homosexual all because of inalienable rights? Oh, so someone is as thin as a rail but still thinks their fat. They have an eating disorder by being anorexic. We should support their disorder because of their inalienable right to pursue happiness? We're not prohibiting them from freedom of speech. They can still express their homosexuality. Give them civil unions if they need some legal way of expressing their love. Keep them wanting marriage. If they want it so bad, maybe one day they'll wake up and get their act straightened out. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper "Keep them wanting marriage. If they want it so bad, maybe one day they'll wake up and get their act straightened out." As far as I know...It's legal in Massachusetts for two people of the same gender to marry. I'm sworn to uphold the Constitution, the laws of this state, as well as the ordinances of my city. Therefore, I'm fairly certain, "Keep them wanting marriage" would preclude me from such obligations. |
| Originally Posted by resqjyw0 No shit Sherlock. Make sure you put in for Detective ASAP. This thread was started on the overturning of a ban on gay marriage in CA, not MA. This is not an issue confined to just MA. And I am not bringing the job itself into this issue. Nowhere in any of my posts have I made any suggestions that I or anyone else against gay marriage should do their job differently when dealing with a homosexual. So what is the point you're trying to make again? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper My only point was that even if I wanted to "Keep them wanting marriage. If they want it so bad", I couldn't nor should I. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper It's legal here and it's legal in California, as it should be. I don't want someone telling me I can't marry outside of my race because it's against the Bible (still a widely held belief). I wouldn't even want someone telling me I can't marry a man because I'm straight. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper No human being should be able to tell another human being whom he or she could marry (as long as that other person gives consent and is able to give consent). I said "whom". An animal could never give consent to marriage. To presuppose that homosexual marriage would lead to bestiality is so incredulous of a statement to make (yet it has been made before with mixing of the races or ethnicities and even religions). |
| So you're saying we should support someone's psychological disorder that goes against nature by being homosexual all because of inalienable rights? Oh, so someone is as thin as a rail but still thinks their fat. They have an eating disorder by being anorexic. We should support their disorder because of their inalienable right to pursue happiness? |
| We're not prohibiting them from freedom of speech. They can still express their homosexuality. Give them civil unions if they need some legal way of expressing their love. Keep them wanting marriage. If they want it so bad, maybe one day they'll wake up and get their act straightened out. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy Mr. Resqjw0 I don't wish to climb into the gutter with you and answer everyone of your twisted comments. Thankfully, Grasshopper has done a nice job of destroying your flawed arguments. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy I will say that if you are Cop and was off on a call that involved people who you believed to be Gay they would be treated quite differently. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy My experience has taught me that people like yourself who suffer from severe homophobia are generally insecure about their own sexuality and are trying to compensate for a lack of something in their make-up. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy There is not one reputable medical association that considers homosexuality a psychological disorder, not the AMA or APA or the APS. But I guess you would say they are all liberals. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy If homosexuality is such a major crime against God, why is it only briefly mentioned once if the Bible and how come Jesus never addressed it? |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy Why do four of the major main line Protestant churches now have openly Gay ministers, as does the Reform and Conservative Jewish movements? |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy 30 years from now we are going to look back and say, Do you remember that at one time two people of the same sex couldn't enter into civil marriage? The same way we find it hard to believe that at one time women didn't have the right to vote or a black man couldn't sit at the same lunch counter as a white man. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy 50% of the marriages in America ( the figure is lower in Ma) end in divorce. So how can you say that the institution is really working? |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy Finally, if you have a major opposition to marriage equality,I suggest you don't enter into a same sex relationship with a partner you may wish to marry at some point, that way you will never be effected by Gay marriage. |
| Originally Posted by MM1799 I respect you and your opinions resqjyw0. Clearly we have different opinions (welcome to America) I am not going to bring anything professional into it. You are a cop and that is enough for me to not question your integrity or you personally. I enjoy debating but I dont want this to become a shit-sling match and personal attacks. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy I will say that if you are Cop and was off on a call that involved people who you believed to be Gay they would be treated quite differently. My experience has taught me that people like yourself who suffer from severe homophobia are generally insecure about their own sexuality and are trying to compensate for a lack of something in their make-up. |
| Originally Posted by wlrysn365 Are you saying that you treat homophobic people differently? |
| Originally Posted by kwflatbed I would comment more but I would have to ban myself for the comments that I would have to make. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy But don’t dare deny me the right to go down to City Hall and exercise my basic civil rights.Case Closed. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy Probably the most ignorant statement you made was “ people turn gay” followed by the reasons. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy Can you tell me what the term Gay stands for or its history, in other words, how did the word GAY come to be used by homosexuals. Trust me my friend, people don’t “turn” Gay they are born Gay. Faced with discrimination, bigotry, the social stigma and the prospect of having to deal with people like yourself, who harbor pre-historic thinking, some choose to stay in the closet or worse pretend to lead a heterosexual life. Some realize they have been living a lie and come out. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy . I wouldn’t want to be married in a Catholic Church Gay or strait. If you are against Gay marriage fine, don’t get married to another man. But don’t dare deny me the right to go down to City Hall and exercise my basic civil rights. |
| Originally Posted by kwflatbed So take your friends from G.O.A.L.N.E. and make the trip to city hall, and be sure to alert the media. |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy Thanks Harry, we will, but we don't need your permission. BTW, The GOAL-NE Blue and Gold party in Ogunquit is coming up. I have an extra ticket, would you care to join me? I bet the guys would love to hear your old trucker stories. Or maybe you would like to join us for Gay Pride on June 14th that flatbed would make a nice float. God Bless America! |
| Originally Posted by MM1799 Why dont you STFU. He is excersizing his freedom of speech and as far as I am concerned he's said a hell of a lot more intelligent things than you have. He talks about rights and freedoms. You talk about boning people and use petty insults to get your argument across. |
| Originally Posted by resqjyw0 Ok, but don't try hiding behind your job as a defense. I don't agree with the gun laws of this state, but I still abide by them and when the time comes I do have to enforce them. I honestly can't imagine how anyone can condone something that is as unnatural as homosexual relationships...unless they are as cognitively screwed up as those they are condoning. Homosexuals need help, not excuses. Here we go again with you bringing irrelavent crap to the table. Who said anyting about bestiality? |
| Originally Posted by PaulKersey Says who? How, or why, would it make for a better society? Because a certain group thinks it would? What about the other group that believes in God and country, has traditional values, and knows what's been working since 1620? Some look at this relatively new {free for all, anything goes} attitude as destructive. Many believe it's tearing down the foundation that this country was built upon. Look around. Tell me if this country is going in the right direction. What's next? After all, anything goes, right? That German Shepherd across the street is looking mighty fine. |
| Originally Posted by PaulKersey Re: California Supreme Court overturns gay marriage ban [quote=masscopguy;288497] My experience has taught me that people like yourself who suffer from severe homophobia are generally insecure about their own sexuality and are trying to compensate for a lack of something in their make-up. No, it's just that some of us are tired of watching this country go down the tubes. They worry about what kind of screwed up world their kids will have to live in. If homosexuality is such a major crime against God, why is it only briefly mentioned once if the Bible and how come Jesus never addressed it? Actually, it's mentioned numerous times. Jesus didn't have to mention it again because it was already mentioned numerous times. It was a given, as it was so unnatural. He didn't mention child molestation, rape, or incest either, but that doesn't make them right. Jesus did say that God created people "in the beginning" as male and female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined together as "one flesh". Nothing is said about any other type of union. He used the destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah as an example of God's wrath . Throughout the Old Testament, prophets clearly described these cities as being notorious for the practice of homosexuality. Why do four of the major main line Protestant churches now have openly Gay ministers, as does the Reform and Conservative Jewish movements? They're not real men of God. Just like the Catholic priests involved in all the child molestation weren't real priests. They were child molesters dressed as priests. Just like the recent BPD cops recently sentenced this week. They were not real cops, just criminals in uniform. 30 years from now we are going to look back and say, Do you remember that at one time two people of the same sex couldn't enter into civil marriage? This country will not make it 30 years. 50% of the marriages in America ( the figure is lower in Ma) end in divorce. So how can you say that the institution is really working? That means 50% is working. That 50% is all we have left. Too bad even that {marriage} isn't sacred anymore. It's not for the courts to decide. Let the people vote. What happened to the will of the people? This isn't a personal attack on anyone, just my opinion on the subject of gay marriage. It's all I'm going to say. |
| Originally Posted by kwflatbed More idiotic responses from the world famous Grasshopper,it sounds like she would be a good candidate to join the gay by the bay pd. "It's legal here and it's legal in California, as it should be" "No human being should be able to tell another human being whom he or she could marry" "As far as I know...It's legal in Massachusetts for two people of the same gender to marry" This is from someone who is always claiming she is coming from or going to Mass, we can see that she really believes in the teachings of her church . Her Pope would love to hear this. |
| Originally Posted by wlrysn365 get back on the boat and go back to where you came from and give our land back! dirty theives |
| Originally Posted by PaulKersey [quote=Grasshopper;288811] FYI Jesus DID address the topic of child abuse in the Bible although he did not mention homosexuality. I would be careful making "exact quotes out of the Bible.? |
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
http://www.carm.org/questions/homosexuality.htm
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper I'm just a lowly patrolman |
| Originally Posted by kwflatbed Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them" |
| Originally Posted by PaulKersey Now I know why you're so confused. |
| Originally Posted by Loyal who cares if someone is gay ? why do you care ? how does their personal life affect your's ? I couldn't care less about their preferences as long as they are honest, responsible and considerate. I, and probably many of you, have worked with gay people and didn't realize their orientation until it was mentioned by someone . Didn't change my opinion of them. Liberals, on the other hand, suck. They DO interfere with your life with confiscatory high taxes, reverse discrimination, etc, etc... |
| Originally Posted by PaulKersey Now I know why you're so confused. |
| Originally Posted by MM1799 You want the United States of America to allow the Bible to dictate politics and the freedom in which we hold so dearly? Fair enough. What do you say about Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Jordan and the other Middle Eastern countries which use the Quran to dictate life and is used as their rule of law. Do you agree with that? Women should be covered. You cannot say or do anything that is offensive to their prophet: Mohammad (sp). People are still put to death in rather sick, medieval ways (stoning) and have no rights to a fair trial. How is that any different? |
| Originally Posted by MM1799 You want the United States of America to allow the Bible to dictate politics and the freedom in which we hold so dearly? Fair enough. What do you say about Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Jordan and the other Middle Eastern countries which use the Quran to dictate life and is used as their rule of law. Do you agree with that? Women should be covered. You cannot say or do anything that is offensive to their prophet: Mohammad (sp). People are still put to death in rather sick, medieval ways (stoning) and have no rights to a fair trial. How is that any different? |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy The literal interpretation of any religious dogma has done more harm than anything else knows to mankind. |
| Originally Posted by resqjyw0 How about this literal interpretation...dick + pussy = the way things were meant to be. |
| Originally Posted by wlrysn365 Are you saying that you treat homophobic people differently? in the case that you are.. would you treat transgender people different? so if a chick with a dick walked up to you and grabed you, you wouldn't be insecure with that? i swear you say the dumbest things i have ever heard along with grasshopper well i guess we now know who the gays are |
| Originally Posted by masscopguy You you are to funny Harry! Such wit! But, I don't think you could scare us. We have been dealing with your type most of our adult lives. The men and woman of GOAL who are out and proud at work and include a Boston PD Deputy Super, an MBTA Police Sgt, A SCSD Lt. a former Municipal Police Chief and several Ma State Troopers are some of the bravest people I know. Keep on trucking brother! God Bless America |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper GayS? Would that be me? I've been married to an incredible man for about a year and a half now (had been dating him for over 6 years prior to that). |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper Oh, resqjyw0... hiding behind my job or my badge? If you knew me at all you'd know I hide behind nothing! |
| Originally Posted by resqjyw0 Here are your own words. "I'm sworn to uphold the Constitution, the laws of this state, as well as the ordinances of my city. Therefore, I'm fairly certain, "Keep them wanting marriage" would preclude me from such obligations." Now did you really spend all that money at that #1 college? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper That's what you call hiding behind my badge or my job. You obviously, really know nothing about how I work. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper Since you have brought that up... guess what? If I'm blessed enough to have children...do you know what one major factor college admissions look at when deciding to admit a student?The answer would be...the degrees the parents attained and from where. Do you know how many doors I may have already opened for any children I might have before they are even born? |
| Originally Posted by resqjyw0 If you ever get killed in the line of duty, it won't mean shit where you got your degree from because your kids could go to a state school for free. Who would pass that up? |
| Originally Posted by wlrysn365 ROTFLMAO |
| Originally Posted by screamineagle your avatar is seriously crossing the line. |
| Originally Posted by screamineagle your avatar is seriously crossing the line. |
| Originally Posted by Hb13 Wrlysn365 You need to straighten yourself out as well, some of your comments have been crossing too. |
| Originally Posted by Hb13 Some of your comments were above and beyond. |
| are you really in a place to talk about muslims if so heres the link to terrorists and the muslim culture. |