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Feds: Don't label terrorists "Muslim"

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Posted by: CJIS

Feds: Don't label terrorists "Muslim"

washingtontimes.com — U.S. officials are being advised in internal government documents to avoid referring publicly to al Qaeda and other terrorist groups as Islamic or Muslim, and not to use terms like jihad or mujahedeen, which "unintentionally legitimize" terrorism



Posted by: robodope

Ok ....We'll call them irish catholics then .... Whoever wrote this rule should just throw a towel on their head..



Posted by: HousingCop

Since the Klinton Era, we've been attacked here & abroad about 1/2 a dozen times. Everybody knows that all Muslims are not terrorists, but every terrorist that has attacked us has been Muslim.

It's just like calling these gangbangers "Impact Players". Makes them feel good when they read about their anti-social exploits in the papers the next day & legitimizes their status.



Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

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Ok ....We'll call them irish catholics then .... Whoever wrote this rule should just throw a towel on their head..
...and get a blanket party!



Posted by: Grasshopper

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Originally Posted by CJIS View Post
Feds: Don't label terrorists "Muslim"

washingtontimes.com — U.S. officials are being advised in internal government documents to avoid referring publicly to al Qaeda and other terrorist groups as Islamic or Muslim, and not to use terms like jihad or mujahedeen, which "unintentionally legitimize" terrorism
After reading the article and thinking about it, it does make sense. The terrorists want what they do to be identified with their religion. We shouldn't give them the grace of having the monikers of which they desire (calling them Jihadists or muslims is complimentary to them the same way calling someone from some Pseudo-Cristian cult a Christian or Crusader). The unconditioned response from some other Muslims who are not Islamic-Facist could be to identify with them through their religion and either sympathize or hold them in higher regard.
I would venture to guess that it would be similar to if someone were to place a moratorium on using the words gangsta or gangbangers since now nomenclature such as that has become so far reaching with hip hop culture that even wealthy suburbanites may take the label, "gangsta" as a compliment and even therefore identify with it and take on attributes of gang-members.



Posted by: rokurmthr61

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Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
After reading the article and thinking about it, it does make sense. The terrorists want what they do to be identified with their religion. We shouldn't give them the grace of having the monikers of which they desire (calling them Jihadists or muslims is complimentary to them the same way calling someone from some Pseudo-Cristian cult a Christian or Crusader). The unconditioned response from some other Muslims who are not Islamic-Facist could be to identify with them through their religion and either sympathize or hold them in higher regard.
I would venture to guess that it would be similar to if someone were to place a moratorium on using the words gangsta or gangbangers since now nomenclature such as that has become so far reaching with hip hop culture that even wealthy suburbanites may take the label, "gangsta" as a compliment and even therefore identify with it and take on attributes of gang-members.

so just like every asian person that practices cult of Kim Il Sung is apart of north korea?
or is the disgrimination that muslims have b/c of what they wear or how they carry themselves

So At a level of 1.2 billion, they represent about 22% of the world's population i guess we have a lot of terrorists.

I don't think i have that many bullets haha



Posted by: Grasshopper

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Ok ....We'll call them irish catholics then .... Whoever wrote this rule should just throw a towel on their head..
I would sure hope not! Those of us who attend Mass regularly have taken enough of a hit as Catholics from the clergy sex scandal.



Posted by: rokurmthr61

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I would sure hope not! Those of us who attend Mass regularly have taken enough of a hit as Catholics from the clergy sex scandal.
don't worry the clergy was just doing it for the best of the children!



Posted by: Grasshopper

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so just like every asian person that practices cult of Kim Il Sung is apart of north korea?
or is the disgrimination that muslims have b/c of what they wear or how they carry themselves

So At a level of 1.2 billion, they represent about 22% of the world's population i guess we have a lot of terrorists.

I don't think i have that many bullets haha
I think more analogous would be if a city like New York had a problem with rabid Yankee fans. The mayor or city counsel might say, "From here on, we are to limit the usage of the word Yankee-Fan Criminals or Yankee-Fan Hooligans and from no on only refer to them as hooligans, criminals or rioters since many in this city identify themselves with or as Yankee-Fans and thereby more may join the hooligan/criminal/rioter movement." The rational I believe it to be is that if a run of the mill Yankee-fan sees rioters calling themselves Yankee-fans then he or she could say something to the nature of, "Hey, I'm a Yankee fan too! What are they doing? Hey, they're fighting for us!" thereby increasing their ranks. That's how I would think they mean our own language could albeit unintentionally subversive to our cause of eradicating terrorism.

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don't worry the clergy was just doing it for the best of the children!
Oh! That is just so wrong! Is nothing sacred?



Posted by: Loyal

too much pop psychology and psycho-babble... call them what they are : radical freaks who have no soul. Execute them and feed their corpses to pigs. Muslim terrorists and their useful idiot liberal friends suck.



Posted by: Grasshopper

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too much pop psychology and psycho-babble... call them what they are : radical freaks who have no soul. Execute them and feed their corpses to pigs. Muslim terrorists and their useful idiot liberal friends suck.
That doesn't exactly sound like a winning stratagy. Besides, I don't know to what religion you ascribe (or if you even believe in a higher power) but I believe we all have souls. Executions (at least without a fair trial) are illegal and in my view amoral. Killing on a field of battle or to protects ones life/the lives of others may very well be necessary but If we were to do such morally reprehensible things such as, "Execute them and feed their corpses to pigs" what would differentiate us from those like Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden?



Posted by: Wolfman

Some people have more soul than others...




Posted by: robodope

I don't think calling the Muslims terrorist or vice versa gives them any more credibility. I think we all know, and I believe it was stated before correctly not all Muslims are Terrorist, but all these Terrorists are Muslim. I read between the lines on these things and to me what's being done is another way to sneak in a Politically Correct Agenda.

If these true Muslims are really against whats these fanatics do then they should step up to the plate and do more then their token condemnations. My gut feeling is inside that they are liking whats going on. It is not until they step up to the plate, and help eradicate what they "say" is a perversion of their religion will they get any sympathy for me. They show real passion and protest enough over a comic strips that portray Allah. If suicide bombing, and terrorism are against their beliefs then they need to show the same type of passion whenever some animal decides to blow up a bunch of innocent people.

Just another politically correct agenda from a bunch of stuffed shirts.

Ok I'm done with my rant and can go to bed...Night All!



Posted by: kwflatbed

The only good Muslim terrorist is a dead one.
There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade
this PC bullshit is nothing but crap.



Posted by: CJIS

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If these true Muslims are really against whats these fanatics do then they should step up to the plate and do more then their token condemnations.

I agree... However the last 20 that did speak up mysteriously turned up dead or have not been heard of or seen from in public ever again.

I think it has to do with Fatwā's or martyrdom's or something like that.



Posted by: robodope

Then they should bnad together and be even more outraged..This is my point



Posted by: Tuna

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I agree... However the last 20 that did speak up mysteriously turned up dead or have not been heard of or seen from in public ever again.

I think it has to do with Fatwā's or martyrdom's or something like that.
What 20 are we talking About? And for that matter what are the majority of these people thinking? For or against us? Who the fu#k knows.



Posted by: Grasshopper

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What 20 are we talking About? And for that matter what are the majority of these people thinking? For or against us? Who the fu#k knows.
+ 1...who are the 20?



Posted by: CJIS

I had typed a lengthy response about the 20 cases and I even touched upon Sharia Law and what happens in some countries if Muslims speak out about the government, and Islamic Extremism.

I then went into how there is no excuse for Muslims in the free world (i.e. US UK etc) for not denouncing Islamic Extreamism... but then I hit the "Backspace" button and my web-page backed up loosing my 4+ paragraphs.

So now you are all seeing this instead.



Posted by: Grasshopper

It sounds like it would have made for a great post! Yeah, countries such as those, not exactly the bastions of free speech (one could expect little more from extreme fundamentalist theocracies)...but there is hope. Some seem to show signs of improvement such as Iraq. They've exhibited some signs of democracy (thanks to our troops). Right? Wrong? I haven't ket up with foreign affairs as much as I'd like to lately.



Posted by: CJIS

remember how I said I knew of cases? Here is a new one

Teacher Killed After Calling Suicide Bombings Un-Islamic

dailymail.co.uk — A teacher was shot to death in northern Afghanistan after he gave a speech condemning suicide bombings, it was revealed today. Abdul Hadi claimed the attacks were un-Islamic and un-Afghan during a speech yesterday in the Archi district of Kunduz province.



Posted by: Grasshopper

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remember how I said I knew of cases? Here is a new one

Teacher Killed After Calling Suicide Bombings Un-Islamic

dailymail.co.uk — A teacher was shot to death in northern Afghanistan after he gave a speech condemning suicide bombings, it was revealed today. Abdul Hadi claimed the attacks were un-Islamic and un-Afghan during a speech yesterday in the Archi district of Kunduz province.
I'm not an expert in Islamic martyrdom but he seems like someone who should be held up as a martyr by his people!





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