| Originally Posted by CJIS  I can't stand Obamas wife! I have seen her in interviews and such on TV and all she does is bitch whine and moan and lay blame to people that have nothing to do with her so called issues. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 Hey, she's had a hard life.....getting through Princeton and Harvard Law isn't easy, you know!! |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper No, it sure isn't easy, especially graduating cum laude from Princeton and having grown up as an African-American female on Chicago's South-Side. I'm not a fan of hers. Yet, those are the beginnings of some impressive accomplishments. |
| Originally Posted by justanotherparatrooper ....and yet she STILL isnt proud of her country! |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper It's the same bulls**t; different party She's the "Uncle Tom" of Asian-American women. |
| Originally Posted by USMCMP5811 Do you have some sort of axe to grind here?????? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper Like I said definitely, "not a fan" but what she did was not in anyway easy. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper What axe would there be to grind within that statement? I don't get it. Because I don't buy into partisan politics? |
| Originally Posted by justanotherparatrooper Its not SUPPOSED to be easy but she did get the OPPORTUNITY just like everyone else! |
| Originally Posted by USMCMP5811 Reading through a lot of your posts, you seem to mention in every one of them about how someone is putting down the Asian-American women, or insert any other race in there. It has been said before, and I'll say it again. Racisim will stop when we ALL stop putting someone's ethnicity before American. YES, we get it, YOU ARE ASIAN AND A WOMEN. Whoopty Doo! We don't need to read it in every post. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper "Opportunity like everyone else"? Do you really think that those who grow up in largely impoverished areas of inner-cities (especially those of color), actually have the same opportunity as anyone else? In regards to, "It's not supposed to be easy," my response was toward a possible implication that matriculating and graduating from Princeton (to say nothing of graduating cum laude as she had) then Harvard Law school is easy. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper I did not bring up race and gender there. Nor did I raise the subject here. I've only responded to it...and I don't think have have mentioned that I am either Asian nor a woman here have I? Where in this post did I say anyone was putting down Asian-American women? Wow, did I miss something? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper She's the "Uncle Tom" of Asian-American women. |
| Originally Posted by USMCMP5811 Posted by you not 30 minutes ago...... How quick we forget..... |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper No, I had not forgotten in the slightest. Race and gender issues not already arisen with the topic of Michelle Obama. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper No, I had not forgotten in the slightest. |
| Originally Posted by Loyal She was pushed to the pinnacle of the Princeton admission list because of her race - that is a documented fact. She was given an opportunity that others were unfairly denied. She is a miserable bi*&% , who does not have the grace needed to be a respected First Lady. She is a blame America first demorat. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper Several months ago, I had come across an article in which it had stated that in 2000, a one hundred year old ban on interracial marriage was lifted in Alabama. It had passed only by a narrow margin ("The vote was running 59 percent to 41 percent, with 58 percent of the voted counted"). In 1998 South Carolina made a similar move...only 62% favored the lift on the ban of interracial marriage. I had wondered albeit naively, how in this day and age such occurrences could barely take place. I had wondered why places like Bob Jones as well as Liberty university had (or still have) such policies on interracial dating as they do. After making the acquaintance (though it maybe only online) of some on here (and then reading some of the disturbingly expressed sentiments), now it's easily understandable! |
| Originally Posted by USMCMP5811 Let me spell it out for you, YOU are not recieving flack because of your race/gender. YOU are being chastised because of your never knowing when to quit running your mouth on subjects that you have little knowledge of then playing the race card when others don't agree with your view. |
| Originally Posted by USMCMP5811 And somehow, you seem to imply that it is the White man who is to blame for this still going in this day and age. You also, however so subtle, are implying that you are being put down here by a few members because of your race/gender. Let me spell it out for you, YOU are not recieving flack because of your race/gender. YOU are being chastised because of your never knowing when to quit running your mouth on subjects that you have little knowledge of then playing the race card when others don't agree with your view. Now, I'll make it real simple for you, YOU are FREE to leave at any time. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 I couldn't have put it better myself. One of the wonderful things about the Internet is that it's race and gender neutral......until some people decide to run their race and gender up a flagpole. |
| Originally Posted by justanotherparatrooper how do I put this..... yes |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper I don't seem to remember talking on my race or gender. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 It's probably become such an automatic reflex that you don't even realize you do it anymore. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper Could that be similar to a proclivity for racist or sexist remarks or even anti-Italian, Irish, and Catholic remarks? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper "Opportunity like everyone else"? Do you really think that those who grow up in largely impoverished areas of inner-cities (especially those of color), actually have the same opportunity as anyone else? |
| Originally Posted by Wolfman Absolutely not. They don't have the same opportunity, they have more opportunities. There are a selction of schools, more programs for vocational training, scholarships, job incentive programs, minority & women owned business funding programs, daycares, education, internships and other subsidized benefits offered to urban residents and minorities than there are for the children of the working suburban middle-class. As soon as you demand special treatment for a particular class or group you further isolate them from the remainder of society; you cannot bring people together by creating special treatment - whatever may be considered an incentive to one person is a barrier to another. Explain to me why a 18-year old white kid from a suburban town cannot take advantage of a scholarship because he is a male of European descent? Explain to me how that is no more racist than saying a Korean woman cannot have a job because she is a female of Asian descent? Too bad it winds up being the working suburban middle-class who wind up footing the bill for all these programs while their own kids either go to a mediocre school or they have to take out an endless mortgage to fund a proper education. The affluent need no programs, the poor get the programs, those in the middle bear the cross. Don't come to this site, where everyone has had to work hard for what they have and pontificate your collegiate tales of woe and oppression. We've been inoculated with reality here. Try a dose sometime. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper That didn't stop you from making the disparaging post below or others did it? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper Everyone here has worked hard for what they have but I haven't? Based upon what? Because you don't believe my parents or myself to be the "working suburban middle-class"? Don't you think that's a little too presumptuous? |
| Originally Posted by Wolfman My response was directed at your unfounded and absurd contention that "minorities" or those living in urban areas were somehow deprived of the same opportunities as those of "majority" residing in the suburbs. You mention articles and books as if they were truth. I rely on my own experience, which is that of the working man. The fact that I am gay and mulatto has no bearing on it. What, you assumed I was a working middle-class white male? A little presumptuous, don't you think? Never said anything about your upbringing, heritage, or what side of the tracks you grew up on. That's the chip you placed on your own shoulder. Why is it all about "you" anyhow? |
| Although, now that you mention that you are a gay man of color taking this position; I find that a bit disconcerting how you can take such a stand with tones and statements (I believe) detrimental to other people of color or even other people of your sexual orientation. |
| Originally Posted by Wolfman You're right, I'm actually a Samoan septagenarian. So let me get this straight, I can only critique other elderly Samoans lest I be judged? Why should the opinion of a gay mulatto carry any different weight than that of a heterosexual white female? The bias is in your mind, Grasshopper. Grow beyond it and you will find enlightenment. |
| Originally Posted by Wolfman Yeah, an old Samoan. Or not. Maybe a Jewish American Princess, safe and sound in my Long Island condo, or a Hindu med student, or a middle aged farmer out in the Berkshires, or a Somali refugee taking accounting classes... See, what difference does it make? How does a genetic code make me more or less deserving of a business loan or educational scholarships? The only perceptions you have are the ones you create. Reading your posts, you have already made arbitrary delineations between classes of people based solely on external factors and shaped your actions based on these factors. Your perception of me changed when you thought I was a white male, when you thought I was a gay Latino, and when you though I was an elderly Pacific Islander. You speak of ignorance and the lack of empathy. Ignorant is as ignorant does - and all the empathy in the world will not fill a hungry person's dinner plate. The opportunities abound for those who are not too lazy or too coddled to seek them. Your attitudes and words smack of socialism; redisribution of wealth and "empowerment" of people who for reasons known but to themselves choose not to take advantage of the opportunities that still abound in this country for those motivated enough to look. God helps those who help themselves. I dislike carrying those who do not. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 I can't recall anyone ever coming into this forum and touting their Italian-ness, Irish-ness, or Catholic-ness whenever they were backed into a logical corner. I do, however, remember this little gem from someone. Perhaps you do, too; My scores in defensive tactics and at the range speak (*cough* 100) for themselves. Oh and by the way, I never touched a gun before in my life before going to the range. As for the command staff comment, I'll just take that as a compliment. For right now, I'll take whatever the streets can throw at me. P.S. When the little asian girl that scores better than you all throughout grade school, grows up able to throw down with you and might be able to outshoot you...doesn't that just suck? Sound familiar? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper That is not what I am "all about"? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper Like I said definitely, "not a fan" but what she did was not in anyway easy. But considering the source...Michelle Malkin? She's just the other side to the same coin. She is to Michelle Obama what Rush Limbaugh is to Al Franken (same useless party politics and extreme fanaticism). It's the same bulls**t; different party She's the "Uncle Tom" of Asian-American women. She wrote a book, "In Defense of Internment: The Case for 'Racial Profiling' in World War II and the War on Terror" (yes I have read it). It's been a big hit with Japanese-American and Italian-Americans who lived during internment (especially those of Japanese and Italian descent who fought during that war). What's next on her to publish list? In Defense of Slavery perhaps? Please, just about any source but her? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper She's the "Uncle Tom" of Asian-American women. |
| Originally Posted by 5-0 I assume that you read the book in the course of your illustrious educational career. I read the book too. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 Impossible.....according to Grasshopper, we're all a bunch of dumb, racist, sexist, misogynist, wife-beating, pedophilic white male cops, so we can't read books. She's here to educate us, show us how it's done, and save us from ourselves. Don't you realize that? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper I don't blame white men. I blame IGNORANCE and a lack of EMPATHY. |
| Originally Posted by justanotherparatrooper AMEN! |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper AMEN??? Come on now boys, some of you are dangerously approaching the nadir of ignorance and presumptuousness. Can we keep this on subject (i.e. the article in question, the source who had written the article)??? Do disagreement of opinions have to personal attacks??? On other posts it’s come to racial, ethnic, religious, ethnic, gender-based, age disparaging, and even insults speculating of my sexual orientation. My patriotism and my democracy are going to be questioned now too? Please tell me this isn’t going to reach beyond an audacious implication? Please tell me someone isn’t actually going to call me a socialist or even a communist here? Well Mr. Wolfman, that above statement is such a quaint little assertion. 6 actually thank him for it and one goes as far as to say “AMEN”? Gentlemen, watch out now. Some of you might just fall into a chasm of ignorance so abysmal that it would take one insurmountable journey to return. |
| Originally Posted by screamineagle Ya know Grasshopper, if I went into a chat room, and EVERYONE seemed to have a problem with ME, I may just step back and say " wow, maybe it is me thats the problem" |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper AMEN??? Come on now boys, some of you are dangerously approaching the nadir of ignorance and presumptuousness. Can we keep this on subject (i.e. the article in question, the source who had written the article)??? Do disagreement of opinions have to personal attacks??? On other posts it’s come to racial, ethnic, religious, ethnic, gender-based, age disparaging, and even insults speculating of my sexual orientation. My patriotism and my democracy are going to be questioned now too? Please tell me this isn’t going to reach beyond an audacious implication? Please tell me someone isn’t actually going to call me a socialist or even a communist here? Well Mr. Wolfman, that above statement is such a quaint little assertion. 6 actually thank him for it and one goes as far as to say “AMEN”? Gentlemen, watch out now. Some of you might just fall into a chasm of ignorance so abysmal that it would take one insurmountable journey to return. SOCIALIST??? I HAVE VOTED REPUBLICAN… NOT ONCE BUT TWICE, IN EACH OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS OF WHICH I WAS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE (ONCE DURRING A GENERAL ELECTION AS WELL AS ONCE IN A PRIMARY)! I MAY JUST VOTE REPUBLICAN AGAIN…OR I MAY NOT! MAYBE I’LL VOTE DEMOCRAT THIS TIME. SO FAR TWO OUT OF THE THREE REMAINING CANDIDATES SEEM LIKE VIABLE PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL. WHOMEVER I CHOOSE TO CAST MY VOTE FOR, WILL NOT BE DETERMINED UNTIL AFTER I AM SASTIFIED I HAVE RECEIVED ENOUGH INFORMATION ON BOTH GENERAL ELECTION CANDIDATES (AS WELL AS WAITING TILL ALL DEBATES HAVE BEEN COMPLETED). OH WOW!!! ON ONE’S PERSONAL TIME… NOT JUST FOLLOWING THE CHOW LINE? UH OH!! NOT JUST IGNORANTLY JOINING THE MOB? OOOHHH HOW THREATENING TO THE FRAGILE EGOS!!! VOTING ONE’S CONSCIENCE AND WAITING TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION UPON BOTH CANDIDATES WHILE HOLDING OFF ON IGNORANT COMMENTS ABOUT THEIR SPOUCES??? HOW REVOLUTIONARY!!! NONPARTISIANSHIP? HOW EARTHSHATTERING!!! INDEPENDENT THINKING??? OOOOHHHHHH SCARY!!! OH MY THAT MUST = SOCIALISM HUH? Granted, It will probably be thrown back at me and taken out of context, as other such statements of mine had (but…not throwing it in anyone’s face as I hadn’t before while responding to the ignorant statements as I had before), since some seem so interested, I’ll humor you. I’m a registered REPUBLICAN (although that may change with policy changes as well as other such changes to the political landscape. I’m a capitalist (yeah, the degrees are in business and administration so, that might mean…). I also believe in a hybrid government of republic + direct democracy. Oh look, the U.S.A. (a representative democracy)! What a notion! I ascribe to tenants of the Catholic Church as well. These do not completely encapsulate what I am all about but when reconciled does that really come anywhere close to SOCIALIST??? Wow, Ignorance…how seemingly blissful. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper I’m a capitalist (yeah, the degrees are in business and administration so, that might mean…) Wow, Ignorance…how seemingly blissful. |
| Originally Posted by USMCMP5811 Funny, does anyone else recall asking for her resume? |
| Originally Posted by 5-0 Please dispense with all of the big words, and paragraph padding. If this is how you talk to regular people, I would hate to read one of your reports. |
| Originally Posted by 5-0 PBC FL Cop and I both asked relevant questions without calling any of your awesomeness into question... It really seems like you are the one dragging this thread kicking and screaming into oblivion. Please dispense with all of the big words, and paragraph padding. If this is how you talk to regular people, I would hate to read one of your reports. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 Well, what do you know? I just happened to have one of her reports sitting here; After receiving a wordy missive via the Ultra High Frequency radio spectrum describing the situation verbatim, I proceeded with great celerity to the stated domicile, where I proceed to initiate a comprehensive dialogue with the aggrieved personage. She purported to be the irreproachable victim of the alleged imbroglio, but declined to be conducible in the filing of criminal charges against the malefactor. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper Actually, you're right. You and PBC COP did ask relevant questions without making personal attacks or ignorant comments and I sincerely thank you for it. I'd be glad to answer (and will) when I get the chance tomorrow. I just got off some OT and have to be back out in 3hrs. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 Ignorance is in the eye of the beholder. For example, I think it's pretty ignorant for someone to spend $100K+ of their parent's money on a college degree which nets them nothing under the Quinn Bill, but that's just me. She's going to prove to you how smart she is, whether you like it or not. |
| Originally Posted by 5-0 Read this first Grasshopper... It reminded me of you for some reason. A Cup of Tea Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era, received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen. Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on pouring.The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. "It is overfull. No more will go in!" "Like this cup," Nan-in said, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?" |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 Well, what do you know? I just happened to have one of her reports sitting here; After receiving a wordy missive via the Ultra High Frequency radio spectrum describing the situation verbatim, I proceeded with great celerity to the stated domicile, where I proceed to initiate a comprehensive dialogue with the aggrieved personage. She purported to be the irreproachable victim of the alleged imbroglio, but declined to be conducible in the filing of criminal charges against the malefactor. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper ...but please Mr Delta, lets stop the ignorant comments? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper I didn't spend $100,000+ of my parents money. Just because I went to a rich kid school, doesn't mean I was one (actually the undergrad was $200,000+). I had to pay my own way (worked my way through high school and college 40+ hours a week in addition to to the academics). I'm still paying the rest of my own way...student loans till the day I die? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper ...Those mythical minority benefits? |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper ...About the quin bill...I' hadn't decided upon a career in law enforcement until the middle of my sophomore year. I didn't take the police exam until during my finals exams of my senior year. Money doesn't mean much to me anyway. Didn't grow up with much and still don't need all that much either. If money meant a lot to me I could have stayed in corporate. |
| Originally Posted by delta784 Then again, I'm not a megalomaniacal narcissist. |
| Originally Posted by HousingCop 25 centavos for those two magnanimous words my friend. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 For my part, the effusive encomium you have lavished towards my province causes me both discountenance and felicity, my good man. |
| Originally Posted by Loyal Back to Barack Hussein Obama's wife... She has said many insulting things about Americans, including that we "are down-right mean" and lazy like"sloths", her husband talks about "typical white people" and neither shows appreciation for the sacrifices made by others, so that they could be moved to the pinnacle of college admissions, due to affirmative action quotas. Neither has the background, experience or class to hold the position of President or First Lady. They have not earned it or paid their dues like Sen John McCain.. And no, Grasshopper, I'm not being racist, I'm simply telling it like it is. The most insidious form of racism is done by liberals who think blacks are too ignorant to succeed on their own efforts and merit. If that was not the case, why don't liberals support affirmative action for the Japanese, who are even more of a minority than blacks in this nation ? Could it be that due to their hard work and values they overcame their difficulties ? They don't whine about the internment camps that their grandparents were held in - they moved on and never made cop-out excuses. The Japanese and West African immigrants do just fine without racial preference racism. If the Obamas get in, we can expect more cop-outs and no emphasis on personal responsibility - nothing but more handouts, at the taxpayer's expense - just like they got... I'm in Sen.McCain's corner. |
| Though he is thoroughly inexperienced...so too, was Abraham Lincoln. |
| Ms. Obama was not just any legacy. She was the sister of of the 2 time Ivy League Player of the Year, who led Princeton to the Ivy League Tournament (2x). Unlike many collegian basketball playeers who fall victim to the low graduation rate (several years ago every sweet 16 team, even the more academically elite had 0% graduation rates), he graduated and went on to attain his MBA from the University of Chicago (commonly thought to be uber-conservative as well as academically unforgiving among the financial community). He went back to coaching at northwestern then Brown (he was the 2008 Ivy League Coach of the year which one of his notable accomplishments being a sweep of brown for only the second time in the history of the 2 school's meetings). He now coaches at Oregon State. For the 10 years prior to being a basketball coach he was an executive at Continental Bank, Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, and Loop Capital Markets. So...If she didn't attain it on her own (which coming from a family of overachievers such as him I doubt it would be uncommon)... |
| Originally Posted by BB-59 This is one lady I would love to get a couple of drinks into and really let her emotions flow! |
| Originally Posted by Tuna bring some hearing protection |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 And if that fails, be sure to bring a cyanide capsule to crush between your teeth. I recommend that be done no later than her stories of the end of the first week of the academy, which should be roughly when she'll tell you she should have been teaching the classes instead of the academy staff. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 You first......I won't hold my breath. Student loans for the rest of your life for degrees which are worthless in your current profession.....and you think you're actually smart?? Once again....no one mentions race, yet you just can't help yourself and bring it up anyway. Well, if my parents were "dirt poor" and I had the opportunity to work in "corporate", I'd work my ass off there to provide them a comfortable retirement. Then again, I'm not a megalomaniacal narcissist. |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy Abraham Lincoln did, at least, serve as a militia captain during the Black Hawk War (1832). Also, although Lincoln was a great president, perhaps second only to George Washington, he made many mistakes in the early years of the Civil War. Most glaring is his selection of poor-to-mediocre generals to command the Army of the Potomac. Many military historians believe a strong, aggressive Union commander in the early years of the conflict could have shortened the war considerably. Lincoln did make up for this in the later years with his selection and support of General Ulysses Grant. I'm not sure that our country can afford to give a relative newcomer the luxury of making rookie mistakes. Many compare Obama with our own "Cadillac" Deval Patrick, who has made countless errors and miscalculations. Mistakes by a governor are one thing, mistakes by a President are a whole order of magnitude greater. I for one, have no faith in any Democratic President (with the exception of Roosevelt) to have the intestinal fortitude to fight a long, vicious war. |
| Originally Posted by j809 Word on the street has it that Obama is the Anti-Christ. If you don't believe me you can type it in Google and see for yourselves. |
| Originally Posted by BB-59 This is one lady I would love to get a couple of drinks into and really let her emotions flow! |
| Originally Posted by screamineagle please for the love of god let this thread die!!!!!!!! |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper I I split my shin open to the bone the night before the PAT, taped it up and passed on the 1st try. That sounds narcissistic or megalomaniacal to you? My hair has been long since I was a child, it was down to my waist prior to the academy but I voluntarily, shaved it off after the first day. That sounds narcissistic or megalomaniacal to you? ). |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper Is it because it's the "most viewed thread" or because it's the "hottest thread" that you want it shut down? If you don't like the show...turn the channel. |