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Chinese build secret nuclear submarine base

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Posted by: kwflatbed

By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 3:19AM BST 02/05/2008

China has secretly built a major underground nuclear submarine base that could threaten Asian countries and challenge American power in the region, it can be disclosed.




Satellite imagery, passed to The Daily Telegraph, shows that a substantial harbour has been built which could house a score of nuclear ballistic missile submarines and a host of aircraft carriers. In what will be a significant challenge to US Navy dominance and to countries ringing the South China Sea, one photograph shows China’s latest 094 nuclear submarine at the base just a few hundred miles from its neighbours.
Other images show numerous warships moored to long jettys and a network of underground tunnels at the Sanya base on the southern tip of Hainan island.
Of even greater concern to the Pentagon are massive tunnel entrances, estimated to be 60ft high, built into hillsides around the base. Sources fear they could lead to caverns capable of hiding up to 20 nuclear submarines from spy satellites.
The US Department of Defence has estimated that China will have five 094 nuclear submarines operational by 2010 with each capable of carrying 12 JL-2 nuclear missiles.
The images were obtained by Janes Intelligence Review after the periodical was given access to imagery from the commercial satellite company DigitalGlobe.
Analysts for the respected military magazine suggest that the base could be used for "expeditionary as well as defensive operations" and would allow the submarines to "break out to launch locations closer to the US".
It would now be "difficult to ignore" that China was building a major naval base where it could house its nuclear forces and increase it "strategic capability considerably further afield".
The development so close to the sea lanes vital to Asian economies "can only cause concern far beyond these straits".
Military analysts believe that China’s substantial build up of its forces is gaining pace put has remained hidden from the world in the build-up to the Olympics.
China has diverted much of its resources from the huge Peoples Liberation Army to the navy, air force and missile development.
An old Russian aircraft carrier, bought by Beijing for "leisure activities" has been picked over by naval architects who hope to "reverse engineer" the ship.
Within the next five to 10 years the Peoples Liberation Navy is expected to build up to six carriers which will also coincide with the Royal Navy’s construction of two major carriers.
The location of the base off Hainan will also give the submarines access to very deep water exceeding 5,000 metres within a few miles, making them even harder to detect.
Britain’s Trident submarines have to remain on the surface when they leave Faslane in north east Scotland and cannot dive to depth until outside the Irish Sea.
While it has been known that China might be developing an underground base at Sanya, the pictures provide the first proof of the base’s existence and the rapid progress made.
Two 950 metre piers and three smaller ones would be enough to accommodate two carrier strike groups or amphibious assault ships.
Christian Le Miere, editor for Jane's Intelligence Review, said the complex underlined Beijing’s plan “to assert tighter control over this region".
"This is a challenge to any hegemonic power, particularly the US which still remains dominant in the region."
So far China has offered no public explanation for its building at Sanya.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/majo...rine-base.html


Posted by: j809

Well it ain't so secret anymore as everyone knows about it. LOL


Posted by: NPD108

No kidding right...DOH!


Posted by: Grasshopper

Guys, you have to understand the equation: Chinese Culture + Communism = Funnies.

They could be standing right out in front of a plethora of nuclear warheads with markings all over them and still think that if they merely say they don't exist then they are still secret.

Have any of you heard of a Chinese lie detector? Seriously...it's no joke. The way many from the old country (and some here) still believe in veneration of ancestors (everyone becomes a god when they die), if some (or even many) chinese people are caught doing something with the most irrefutable evidence. "If I am dying may the ancestors strike me dead with a lightning bolt." is actually considered a valid defense and a reliable predictor of truth. Seriously! The Lightning Lie Detector in some circles of the old country is more reliable than an oath. I wouldn't be surprised if some read UK publications that some are ready to run out with the Lightning Lie Detector Defense.

I enjoy the heritage of some of my ancestors but wow, it makes for some "interesting times" as well as some funny ones


Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
Guys, you have to understand the equation: Chinese Culture + Communism = Funnies.

They could be standing right out in front of a plethora of nuclear warheads with markings all over them and still think that if they merely say they don't exist then they are still secret.

Have any of you heard of a Chinese lie detector? Seriously...it's no joke. The way many from the old country (and some here) still believe in veneration of ancestors (everyone becomes a god when they die), if some (or even many) chinese people are caught doing something with the most irrefutable evidence. "If I am dying may the ancestors strike me dead with a lightning bolt." is actually considered a valid defense and a reliable predictor of truth. Seriously! The Lightning Lie Detector in some circles of the old country is more reliable than an oath. I wouldn't be surprised if some read UK publications that some are ready to run out with the Lightning Lie Detector Defense.

I enjoy the heritage of some of my ancestors but wow, it makes for some "interesting times" as well as some funny ones
...no comment


Posted by: j809

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
Guys, you have to understand the equation: Chinese Culture + Communism = Funnies.

They could be standing right out in front of a plethora of nuclear warheads with markings all over them and still think that if they merely say they don't exist then they are still secret.

Have any of you heard of a Chinese lie detector? Seriously...it's no joke. The way many from the old country (and some here) still believe in veneration of ancestors (everyone becomes a god when they die), if some (or even many) chinese people are caught doing something with the most irrefutable evidence. "If I am dying may the ancestors strike me dead with a lightning bolt." is actually considered a valid defense and a reliable predictor of truth. Seriously! The Lightning Lie Detector in some circles of the old country is more reliable than an oath. I wouldn't be surprised if some read UK publications that some are ready to run out with the Lightning Lie Detector Defense.

I enjoy the heritage of some of my ancestors but wow, it makes for some "interesting times" as well as some funny ones
Are you smoking crack?


Posted by: mpd61

Who's concerned about this? I am a little bit.

I do have a plan however...
J809 can do a flyby in his surplus MIG21 (with his own avionic upgrades of course) and while they're busy trying to swat his ass, I'll drive up in a 688 class boat and sling a few Tomahawks into those tunnels. End of that worry!



Posted by: Grasshopper

We all should be very concerned about this.


Posted by: j809

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd61 View Post
Who's concerned about this? I am a little bit.

I do have a plan however...
J809 can do a flyby in his surplus MIG21 (with his own avionic upgrades of course) and while they're busy trying to swat his ass, I'll drive up in a 688 class boat and sling a few Tomahawks into those tunnels. End of that worry!
Woody, I see you got a pic of me in the Lancer. It handles much better than the MIG21-MF version.




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