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Posted by: kwflatbed

New Thread lets keep it on topic

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Does anyone have any update information for the Academy in May?

Posted by: mikeyv7712

I heard may 28th. It seems like the class is mostly comprised of vets, cadets, bilingual canidates, and women. Rumor is that there is going to be a class in the fall. It seems like all the guys that participate on this website are non vet male 10s like myself. We were put through part of the process in febuary and havent heard anything since. RI said that we were a reserve list that would backfill the may class and be inline for the next class.
Has anyone heard anymore on a fall class?

Posted by: smd6169

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Originally Posted by mikeyv7712

I heard may 28th. It seems like the class is mostly comprised of vets, cadets, bilingual canidates, and women. Rumor is that there is going to be a class in the fall. It seems like all the guys that participate on this website are non vet male 10s like myself. We were put through part of the process in febuary and havent heard anything since. RI said that we were a reserve list that would backfill the may class and be inline for the next class.
Has anyone heard anymore on a fall class?

I believe, and correct me if I am wrong, that BPD will need to call for another list from CS for the next academy. I would venture to guess that since you were on the first cert. list that you would appear on the new [2nd] list as well, unless you were squeezed down by added names, but I don't think you are automatically or guaranteed a spot in the next class.

Posted by: TSOL

My friend is going in that class in May if all goes well. He said he did the obstacle course today and they have to start the class within a certain amount of time or everyone has to do it again. I gave him a hard time because he had to use the stairs to get over the wall.

Whats up with that?

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by TSOL

My friend is going in that class in May if all goes well. He said he did the obstacle course today and they have to start the class within a certain amount of time or everyone has to do it again. I gave him a hard time because he had to use the stairs to get over the wall.

Whats up with that?

Every class has a minimum number of seats that have to be filled or no class.

I think Plymouth for example is around 40. If they can't fill the seats by a certain date, then the academy is usually put on float status. I would imagine Boston is the same way since they have outside departments attending their academy.

If the "x" amount of seats are not filled.

No academy.

Posted by: Mmp1

I heard today from a buddy that took the PT test that about 15 females and 2 males failed but they have a 2nd chance to take it again. As far as the class goes, he said that it mostly minorities and people that are bilingual.

Posted by: mikeyv7712

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Originally Posted by smd6169

I know they go to another list but I think what RI meant was that they would already have our info when they call for a new list

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by mikeyv7712

According to a friend who is going thru the process May 27th is the start date for the class. He also tok the PAT recently and said BPD Brass and academy staff were there watching and taking notes on each candidate. He said that them watching was intimidating to some people but he and others got pumped up for it.

Posted by: 1234hey

It has been mentioned that a boston fall class is possible and I am also wandering whether lowell, mbta, and or the spa will be holding muni academies in the fall/late summer as well? Any intel?

Posted by: mikeyv7712

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Originally Posted by Mmp1

I heard today from a buddy that took the PT test that about 15 females and 2 males failed but they have a 2nd chance to take it again. As far as the class goes, he said that it mostly minorities and people that are bilingual.

Is that a high number of people to fail or is that expected? I wonder if they will dip into the 10s because of it

Posted by: Blueheart

If there is a class in the fall, does anyone have an idea what band will be called next? I'm bilingual in the 8 band but heard nothing yet! Also, what about the MBTA, has anyone receive anything from them? Thank you!

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by 94c

94c, I spoke to a staff instructor at the BPD academy today. He said they will start the academy on the 27th and they believe the number is going to be about 60-65. He said their academy has never been on float status. We might be sending a candidate for my department to a possible class there in October because the failure rate for BPD at the PAT has been very high and they might start another one then. Don't know if this is good news for you people out there who might be trying for Boston...but to me another class means another shot at the job.

Posted by: 1234hey

I've heard the same thing that another BPD Academy is slated for the fall, unless they run two classes at once. Is their academy really 32 weeks?

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by 1234hey

I've heard the same thing that another BPD Academy is slated for the fall, unless they run two classes at once. Is their academy really 32 weeks?

He said the academy is shorter this time. In on the 27th of May and out maybe around the second week of November. I handed all the info to my Lt. as he is gathering info on which academy our recruit should go to. He did say they have cut out alot of the guest speakers who come in at the end and drone on endlessly about nothing and then use it on their resume. The recruits now do more hands on things such as court visits, active shooter training, respond to simulated radio calls, and they observe an autopsy at the ME's office. Sounds like they are getting back to the basics. My Chief liked that. I also didn't realize how many other departments they train (Mass EPO's, Andover, Cohasett, Chelsea, Middlesex County Sheriffs, Boston Univ, Arlington, Taunton) I always thought it was only their people.

Posted by: 1234hey

Yea hopefully I will be going in for Arlington in the fall. They are sending guys there in May.

Posted by: Mmp1

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Originally Posted by 1234hey

I've heard the same thing that another BPD Academy is slated for the fall, unless they run two classes at once. Is their academy really 32 weeks?

They shortened the last BPD to around 23 weeks, it's normally around 26 weeks.

Posted by: Boston664

So I got through the backround and home visit in Feb, my Investigator said everything checked out and was submitting my jacket, that I looked like a good candidate, then all of a sudden no word from anyone. Next thing I hear is that people are already doing the PAT for the next academy. No DQ letter, nothing from HR WTF? Anyone recommend any course of action I can take to get some info?

Posted by: smd6169

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Originally Posted by Boston664

So I got through the backround and home visit in Feb, my Investigator said everything checked out and was submitting my jacket, that I looked like a good candidate, then all of a sudden no word from anyone. Next thing I hear is that people are already doing the PAT for the next academy. No DQ letter, nothing from HR WTF? Anyone recommend any course of action I can take to get some info?

Sit tight and check the mail.

BPD does not send out update notifications until well after the academy starts. If they simply did not reach your score, you will get a letter from BPD stating so. If you were bypassed (IE: DQ) it will come from Civil Service.

Either way, I would be shocked if letters went out before July. Sorry.

Posted by: TSOL

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Originally Posted by trueblue

Trueblue...don't drink the Cool-Aid. I have had some freinds in the past few classes in Boston. One from the very last class said that at the end when they should have been doing practical stuff they spent their time being indoctinated into "Community Policing" with power point presentations that had hundreds of slides and going to "Community Meetings" to meet people they will never meet again. It became their main focus. They wanted more hands-on stuff, but that wasn't happening. He said the staff did a good job, but it was clear to the class that the thier hands were tied.

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by 1234hey

Yea hopefully I will be going in for Arlington in the fall. They are sending guys there in May.

Good luck. Hope you get in and do well.

Posted by: Boston664

Thanks dudes. I'll post if any movement comes up.

Posted by: 1234hey

Good luck. Hope you get in and do well.

-you too man. your days are counting down, ha ha, so keep it locked in and your eyes on the prize. there should be some arlington boys in that class.

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by 1234hey

Good luck. Hope you get in and do well.

-you too man. your days are counting down, ha ha, so keep it locked in and your eyes on the prize. there should be some arlington boys in that class.

I'm not going in...I've been on a department for 20 years! Went thru Waltham academy.

Posted by: 1234hey

oops, well good luck anyway!

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by 1234hey

oops, well good luck anyway!

Thanks,.....I did have some flashbacks of the academy after you posted. I will tell you and everyone else getting ready to go into police work that all of you have to jump thru more hoops to get the job than everyone in my academy class.

Posted by: Hopeful76

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Originally Posted by Boston664

So.. I am in the same shoes you are. I have been through EVERYTHING and no PAT card. I know several others who have taken it, several females are failing. My friends recruit detective told her that those of us waiting to get the PAT card will be called as/if/when those others fail on their second try.

Aside from that, I don't know if we would have to start the entire process all over again for whenever the next class is (is there one in November?) Does anyone know how that works? Do we have to go through the entire application process again? I don't know, it's very frustrating but keep at it! They might call us last minute!

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by trueblue

Went thru Waltham academy.

What year?

Posted by: mikeyv7712

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Originally Posted by Hopeful76

so are you guys vets?

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by Delta784

What year?

1986......seems like yesterday

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by TSOL

Not me. Just relating to all what I was told. The instructor did mail me a schedual from the last class. #4607. I did notice all the community policing hours. I called him back after your post and he said that the recruits gave it high marks on their evaluations of the courses. Go figure. He did say that he didn't teach the class. A captain did, and it willbe included this upcoming recruit class. So you know he was feeding the company line. Could you ask your friends what they thought of the other practical portions? And the academy as a whole. Quality of instruction, instructors, etc? PM if you want. Anyone else have feedback of the Boston academy? Thanks

Posted by: Hopeful76

The orientation for the academy beginning on May 27th was this past Saturday, May 10th. The class has been filled, according to a recruit detective the next class they are looking to begin is November, with the current class and the next class overlapping for about a month give or take in the academy. For the rest of us whom have begun the process and not completed it, apparently as I was told we were bypassed and will be receiving a letter from the state in the mail as to "official" reasons why and will be called for the next class. However, still don't know how much of the background/investigation process we will have to do over. Someone told me that was bypassed last class that if you made it through the entire process (PAT & everything) that you don't have to do the background but only the medical over. If not you have to do every aspect over... anyone know for sure if this is true?

Posted by: trueblue

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hopeful76

The orientation for the academy beginning on May 27th was this past Saturday, May 10th. The class has been filled, according to a recruit detective the next class they are looking to begin is November, with the current class and the next class overlapping for about a month give or take in the academy. For the rest of us whom have begun the process and not completed it, apparently as I was told we were bypassed and will be receiving a letter from the state in the mail as to "official" reasons why and will be called for the next class. However, still don't know how much of the background/investigation process we will have to do over. Someone told me that was bypassed last class that if you made it through the entire process (PAT & everything) that you don't have to do the background but only the medical over. If not you have to do every aspect over... anyone know for sure if this is true?

The PAT is good for only thirty days. So you will have to take that over when the time comes. The background??? I think they would probably want to do that again depending on how much time has past.

Posted by: mikeyv7712

Does anyone know how far they got down the list for this upcoming class?
I know that its pretty much all Vets but was wondering if any 10s made it into the class. thanks

Posted by: TSOL

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Originally Posted by trueblue

I spoke with my freind. He said that the community policing class was the only thing after the academics they even did an evaluation on and since it was feild trips and stuff everyone liked it. Also, what else are you going to say when a captain hands you the eval to fill out and they know what your hand writing looks like..... He told me it had absolutely nothing to do with preparing for the street. The practical stuff was cool, but not enough. They didn't get a chance to give any feedback on that because they we're asked.

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by TSOL

I would write nothing and put it in the pile with the others. That would send a message. I'm trying to set up two or three days my Chief and I can observe the BPD academy in session. Then we can get a better idea about whether to send our new people there. Their academy starts up this coming Tuesday. Good luck to all that are going.

Posted by: TSOL

Trueblue,

I'll ask you since you seem to know what you are talking about, but this is open to anyone who knows:

How is the Civil Service test this spring going to effect one's standing on the Boston list?

I have heard several places (including here) that there may be a class in the fall.

Is this test this spring going to put people in the running for a fall class?

I guess that's two questions....

Posted by: Grasshopper

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Originally Posted by TSOL

Trueblue,

I'll ask you since you seem to know what you are talking about, but this is open to anyone who knows:

How is the Civil Service test this spring going to effect one's standing on the Boston list?

I have heard several places (including here) that there may be a class in the fall.

Is this test this spring going to put people in the running for a fall class?

I guess that's two questions....

Your June score will supercede your previous score.

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Originally Posted by smd6169

Whenever there's a new exam, the list from the previous CSE is wiped out and replaced by the new exam results. However, it appears that this new CSE at the end of June, will only supercede the scores of those who took the civil service exam in May, as well as allow for those who didn't take the exam in May to be added to the list, essentially reshifting the rankings of everyone on the list.

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by TSOL

Wish I could help you but I don't know much about the actual testing process or CS rules. It's amazing how confusing it can get.

Posted by: hunter617

I dont know how true this is but i am being told that boston is going to put on a academy class in late oct early nov. Which means that the academy classes will overlap. Once again i dont know if its going to happen. Time will tell because if they are they will be sending out cards really soon. I think they are going to be working on the 9's next.

-stay safe

Posted by: mikeyv7712

I have heard the fall too, I guess classes have overlaped in past. I dont think any 10s got on the May class. I heard it was all Vets cadets women and bilingual canidates. The 10s were only processed half way as a reserve list.

Posted by: TSOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyv7712

I have heard the fall too, I guess classes have overlaped in past. I dont think any 10s got on the May class. I heard it was all Vets cadets women and bilingual canidates. The 10s were only processed half way as a reserve list.

I met someone who is in the current class over the weekend. He said they have lost over ten people since the start. It is interesting that two of the people who left were in earlier classes. How many bites at the apple can you get??? That's four seats wasted.

He also said that many of the bilingual candidates are struggling with the academics. I wonder if the recruiting and selection process takes into account this fact. If more continue to wash out, it seems to be a tremendous waste of time and resources. I would think there would be a better way.

Unfortunately, a "10" on the test is no guarentee to get a seat. Nor is veteren status with all the preferences it seems the BPD is exercising.

Posted by: mikeyv7712

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Originally Posted by TSOL

I heard at least 10 people were gone with a few more on the ropes

Posted by: redsox03

Boston is facing a serious shortage in police recruits, as the commissioner grapples with too many overweight, unfit and unqualified applicants who think being a member of Boston’s finest is like starring in an episode of CSI.
This year’s police academy class is only 60 percent full, despite a slick, $100,000 ad campaign that failed to attract enough candidates who could withstand tough BPD vetting.
While most of the current students are well-suited to wear the badge, Deputy Superintendent Marie Donahue, the academy’s director, said many were completely unprepared. Some couldn’t even finish a half-mile run.

“Maybe they’re influenced through a false sense of what this is about,” said Donahue, who couldn’t wait to be a proud member of the BPD when she was hired about 30 years ago.
“The heart and soul of the job is the patrol, but they want something prettier. They want something exciting. I don’t know that they realize a lot of it is not that glittery.”
The numbers tell the story. The academy budgeted for 80 students. Only 60 survived the vetting process. Of them, 12 have already dropped out - most citing the physical demands.
If last year’s class is any indication - only about 60 percent of the recruits made it through - the ranks will likely thin further before December graduation.
“We’re obviously disappointed that there’s been such an attrition rate this year,” acknowledged BPD Commissioner Edward Davis.
“What is important is that we’re holding our recruits to the standards appropriate to the important service they are about to provide to the city and the community.”
The numbers are so low Davis plans to take the rare step of seating another academy this year.
Police departments nationwide have seen a vexing drop in the number of aspiring cops over the past decade. It hit the Hub hard last year, amid an urgency for more cops on the street. So up went the online ads and the billboards with the slogan: “Many Jobs, One Career, Boston’s Future.”
Davis ordered a full-time team of recruiters to help lure a higher caliber and expanded pool of applicants. The effort did boost interest, but being good on paper isn’t always good enough.
Physical fitness is a problem. Despite repeated warnings by Donahue to get in shape, some showed up unable to complete the easiest courses and others were, well, just plain fat.
The Recruit Investigations Division spends a full four to six months on each candidate. They probe credit records, neighbors, and employment records - including sick time.
Then comes the psychological exam, a test so intense that it has raised eyebrows with city councilors and even some members of the Civil Service Commission. Applicants come from a state-certified list of Civil Service exam-takers.
But for a number of reasons including the intensive background check, not all applicants are looked at in a given hiring cycle. Critics contend good applicants are being passed over.

“They had qualified applicants and they didn’t pursue them, such as my son,” said veteran BPD Officer Joseph A. Murray.
His 23-year-old son, a lance corporal in the Marines who served as a BPD dispatcher for three years and earned a top score on the exam, wasn’t vetted.
“I was never given a reason why,” Murray said, adding, “I’m talking as a father, not as a police officer.”

A BPD spokeswoman said Murray’s son is still eligible for employment, and that there are others like him who just have not been considered yet.
Meanwhile, the department hopes they can somehow solve their recruiting woes.
“Our struggle is not in graduating the best people, but finding the people to come in and show up,” said Donahue.

Posted by: soxrock75

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Originally Posted by redsox03

The numbers are so low Davis plans to take the rare step of seating another academy this year.

If this is true, and it takes 4-6 months for a background etc. then they should be sending out cards soon.............

Posted by: mikeyv7712

I heard they already resumed investigating the resident 10s

Posted by: 1234hey

I know a lot of people that have been waiting their entire adult life trying to get on a local pd and or the state police in Massachusetts and it's unbelievable to see these candidates not preparing themselves and not taking this job seriously. If they wanted a new campaign slogan, how about enticing potential candidates with buzz words like "high standards, athletic, dedicated, motivated, prideful" etc.., but the problem lies deeper than that.

Hypothetical: Since they've already established a pool of applicants last year and another list from this past weekend's exam, have those scanned asap, which shouldn't be that difficult, then mail the scores out in 7-10 business days inviting only those that passed to a PAT. Then for those that passed physically, the department can establish a solid applicant pool. The interviews and background investigations will allow the cream to rise to the top. Bilingual preference? Ha ha, teach us! Tengo a la guitarra! Finally, take preference to those that have served, they deserve it, and get rid of the residency rule. Also, we don't care about paying for examinations and physical abilities testing, it would be an insignificant price to pay.

Posted by: redsox03

Vid and story:
http://www.myfoxboston.com/myfox/pag...Y&pageId=5.2.1

Posted by: kwflatbed

Posted Thread:

http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57096

Posted by: redsox03

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Originally Posted by kwflatbed

Posted Thread:

http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57096

Sorry for the repost Harry.

Posted by: smd6169

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Originally Posted by mikeyv7712

I heard they already resumed investigating the resident 10s

Packets are due back on the 19th......

Posted by: mikeyv7712

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Originally Posted by smd6169

Packets are due back on the 19th......

haha no the 18th

Posted by: smd6169

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Originally Posted by mikeyv7712

haha no the 18th

Ha...true.

Posted by: mikeyv7712

really you get a call?

Posted by: kwflatbed

Rejected police recruits feel sting

By Jessica Van Sack
Tuesday, July 1, 2008 -

About a dozen aspiring police officers and their families complained of being bypassed by the Boston Police Department upon learning yesterday of a recruit shortage due to selected applicants being overweight, out of shape and unable to pass the department’s stringent vetting process.
“This is all my kid wants to do,” said BPD Officer John Mullan, whose son Patrick, 24, enlisted in the Marines and spent nine months fighting in Fallujah, Iraq, to boost his chance of becoming a cop.
Civil Service rules give veterans, minorities, and children of officers killed in the line of duty special preference for police jobs. Mullan said Patrick earned a perfect score on the police exam, is physically fit, and would move to Boston “in a heartbeat” to meet his dream job’s residency requirement.
The Herald reported yesterday that the current BPD academy class is only 60 percent full. Having budgeted for 80 slots, the academy had only 48 students as of last week, prompting BPD Commissioner Edward Davis to take the unusual step of planning a second academy class within the next several months.
In the current class, which began last month, only 60 students survived the background checks and psychological exams that selected applicants must pass. Already, 12 have dropped out of the academy, mostly due to the physical demands.
“The recruit process is very rigorous - and needs to be,” said BPD spokeswoman Elaine Driscoll, adding, “We will continue to solicit the most qualified and diverse candidate for the job.”
City Councilor Stephen J. Murphy, chairman of the Ways and Means committee, said the academy’s vacant seats are a cost to taxpayers who foot the bill.
“We’re still paying the same amount,” Murphy said. “The police command should find a more efficient formula . . . that allows them to fill the academy.”

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http://bostonherald.com/news/regiona...ts_feel_sting/

Posted by: soxrock75

Does Boston have to call for a new list since the class they originally sought has begun???? Or are they just getting ahead of the game and continuing with the resident 10's in anticipation of a new list???

Posted by: smd6169

A new list was already called.

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Originally Posted by mikeyv7712

really you get a call?

I did, yes.

Posted by: redsox03

This is what happens when you hire diverse candidates over more qualified candidates. Maybe the BPD will take this as a lesson learned?

Posted by: smd6169

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Originally Posted by redsox03

This is what happens when you hire diverse candidates over more qualified candidates. Maybe the BPD will take this as a lesson learned?

The odds in Vegas are not in that favor...

BPD needs to focus on hiring folks who have wanted to be cops all their lives. Folks who have prepared themselves both mentally and physically for the academic and physical rigors of an academy by going to college for CJ or a related field or by joining the military or both. These folks tend to know the reality of the job, not only the Hollywood version. The problem is when you hire (or target as they did in the campaign) folks who essentially decided one day to take the CS test and see what happens. They have no clue! They will probably never take as much pride in the "job" as someone whose always dreamed of becoming a Police Officer.

Posted by: mikeyv7712

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Originally Posted by smd6169

A new list was already called.

I did, yes.

Did you get a card or a call? Doesnt look like they pulled a new list yet. All i see on the website is the list from 12/13/2007, so mayb e they are just using that.

Posted by: smd6169

Hey...

I got a card, it was for 14 full-time positions. Has your position on the over all list changed at all? Did you [and I hate to suggest this] get squeezed out?

Posted by: LTSO16

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Originally Posted by smd6169

Hey...

I got a card, it was for 14 full-time positions. Has your position on the over all list changed at all? Did you [and I hate to suggest this] get squeezed out?

What did you score on the test and are you a resident. 9, resident here and haven't heard anything. Thanks

Posted by: mikeyv7712

I got a 10 non vet resident what r u?

Posted by: wolf9848

I'm hearing this next academy will start in the October time frame. Expect a larger academy possibly in May 09 when the list comes out from the latest police exam.

Posted by: hunter617

i am hearing that they want to put on two more classes. They are really unhappy with the class that is in the academy now( Boston Herald Front Page) but at least they are trying . I am hearing that they want to put a class on in December and a really big class in April

Posted by: RPD931

How about dropping the residency requirement to the 15 mile rule?

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by RPD931

How about dropping the residency requirement to the 15 mile rule?

Because the City of Boston like all other civil service departments, just can't make up the residency rules PRIOR to the test. It's a civil service rule that you must live in the city if you declare it a preference. The 15 mile CS rule is currently in place an mandates police officers live within the 15 radius. Boston has added their own twist by mandating their Police Officers and other city employees to a residency requirement of 10 years or 0 years (school teachers). It doesn't make sence and I agree with you but I don't think you will see a change it the rule. Seriously, call your state rep and complain. If enough call maybe they'll change it.

Posted by: mikeyv7712

Looks like the BPD is starting to reprocess the people who didnt get in the May class for a fall class.

Posted by: mikeyv7712

Anyone get an exact date on the fall class and how many people?

Posted by: BrickCop

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Originally Posted by RPD931

How about dropping the residency requirement to the 15 mile rule?

You have a better shot at Jimmy Hoffa giving you a reach around on Leap Year.

Posted by: mikeyv7712

Has anyone heard the latest head count of the BPD academy?
Last I heard was 48. I also heard the fall class will start while the current class is still in there and that there is a class of 40 in May of 2009.

Posted by: smd6169

What did the class start with? Do those who dropped out get "invited" or get a shot at the next class or are they done?

This is the first class in since 2005 that hasn't had a website....

Posted by: mikeyv7712

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Originally Posted by smd6169

What did the class start with? Do those who dropped out get "invited" or get a shot at the next class or are they done?

This is the first class in since 2005 that hasn't had a website....

I heard they started with 60 they wanted 70 i think and last I heard it was 48. I dont know about another shot.

Posted by: smd6169

Off topic for a second; What is the current pay for BPD? How many steps or grades to max out? When is the contract due for renegotiation? Thanks...

Posted by: Robert35

1. W/0 Quinn 7/1/08 1 yr 53,767.01 2nd yr 60,145.33 3rd Yr 66,530.43 Thats with Diff on Days 3 grades to max out, W Quinn on Days Asso 59,063.71 2nd 66,078.86 3rd 73, 103.47 Bachelors 64,360. 72,014.00, 79,676.52. Masters 67,008.00, 73,600.09, 81,433.17 Contract will go to 2009. Max pay on nights with 3 years with a Masters is 84,792.89. When contract over in 2009 July, the pay will be for a Masters nights, 88,241.88 bachelors 84,744.20 and Asso 77,748.85. W/o any Quinn it will be 69,228.04.

Posted by: smd6169

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Originally Posted by Robert35

1. W/0 Quinn 7/1/08 1 yr 53,767.01 2nd yr 60,145.33 3rd Yr 66,530.43 Thats with Diff on Days 3 grades to max out, W Quinn on Days Asso 59,063.71 2nd 66,078.86 3rd 73, 103.47 Bachelors 64,360. 72,014.00, 79,676.52. Masters 67,008.00, 73,600.09, 81,433.17 Contract will go to 2009. Max pay on nights with 3 years with a Masters is 84,792.89. When contract over in 2009 July, the pay will be for a Masters nights, 88,241.88 bachelors 84,744.20 and Asso 77,748.85. W/o any Quinn it will be 69,228.04.

Wow, and this all prior to OT and details as well. Does the Quinn Bill pay apply when your in the academy? Thanks for the info.

Posted by: hunter617

quinn bill does not count while in the academy

i am being told that the next academy class will start Dec 1st, 2008 and it will be a small class. i am also being told that they want to put on a class in may or march of atleast 100 or so. only time will tell

Posted by: smd6169

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Originally Posted by hunter617

quinn bill does not count while in the academy

i am being told that the next academy class will start Dec 1st, 2008 and it will be a small class. i am also being told that they want to put on a class in may or march of atleast 100 or so. only time will tell

I am available December 1st

Posted by: mikeyv7712

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Originally Posted by smd6169

I am available December 1st

let me check me my calender

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by mikeyv7712

let me check me my calender

Boston is on a real hiring spree! According to the academy website.....if you were hired five classes(2005) ago you already have some serious senority. Good luck to you guys/gals going for it.

Posted by: mikeyv7712

yeah just make sure you wear a suit jacket if you walk into HQ

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by mikeyv7712

yeah just make sure you wear a suit jacket if you walk into HQ

Huh?

Posted by: mikeyv7712

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Originally Posted by trueblue

Huh?

if you were there saturday you know what I meant

Posted by: smd6169

If your going to put on slacks, put on a [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Collared [/font]shirt. If you have a [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Collared [/font]shirt on, add a tie. If your wearing a tie, complete the outfit with a freakin jacket and yes, a belt too. And maybe get a haircut while your at it. Also since you took the test for a police officer position in April, get in shape!!!

Posted by: mikeyv7712

I have heard 35 people for the dec 1st class and I have heard 60 and 70.
Anyone got a definate #

Posted by: hunter617

i think it is only going to be 30 or so people and lot more in the following class after that

Posted by: mikeyv7712

30 doesnt seem worth their while. They are mad that so many people dropped out of this class so price per recruit goes up. They seem like want a full class, but who knows

Posted by: Macop

They will take laterals sooner or later again.

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by Macop

They will take laterals sooner or later again.

There are three laterals in the academy right now. My friend is in the recruit class and said they have been there for a few weeks. A housing cop, former muni, and a Newton cop. Goes to show you that the interest in being a lateral to BPD has dropped off.

Posted by: midwatch

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Originally Posted by trueblue

I don't think you're talking about the same thing. The laterals they took last year didn't go to the academy. Hence the idea of taking lateral transfers.

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by midwatch

I don't think you're talking about the same thing. The laterals they took last year didn't go to the academy. Hence the idea of taking lateral transfers.

Actually they did go to the academy for four weeks of BPD specific training. It' was reported by both the Globe and the Herald last year. Just like the three guys that "Lateraled over" two weeks ago and are now in the same lateral program. They are not in the recruit class.....hence they are indeed a small "lateral class". Do you really think the BPD is just going to take you off the street and NOT train you in some fashion?

Posted by: Eagle31

I heard from a BPD officer that a large percentage of new recruits needed to attend remedial English classes since their English speaking proficiency was so poor. Knowing the way Massachusetts Civil Service operates, this does not come as a surprise to me. If indeed true, it is a disgrace.

Posted by: Hb13

wouldn't surprise me

Posted by: smd6169

As of 2 1/2 weeks ago there were 49 still in, with 15 or so facing academic removal(according to one of the DI's at the BPD academy) if they did not pass the make up exam. Does anyone know how many are left?

Posted by: hunter617

Make up exam if it is a level exam then thats it. I never heard of any make up exam.

Posted by: smd6169

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Originally Posted by hunter617

Make up exam if it is a level exam then thats it. I never heard of any make up exam.

Make-up exam may be the wrong terminology in this instance, but anyhow, what the DI stated was that about 15 or so recruits were on the verge of academic failure and that they were retaking an exam in a day or two. Anyhow, just curious how many folks are left in there. Thanks.

Posted by: hunter617

i think they are down to 45. Wish them all the best of luck on the make-up.

Posted by: smd6169

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Originally Posted by hunter617

i think they are down to 45. Wish them all the best of luck on the make-up.

Absolutly. I think we all wish them the best of luck.

Posted by: Hopeful76

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Originally Posted by mikeyv7712

Looks like the BPD is starting to reprocess the people who didnt get in the May class for a fall class.

Curious as to your statement about being reprocessed? I went through the majority of the process to go into this past May's class, then never got called/invited to attend the class, still haven't heard anything, how would I know if I were being considered for the next or future classes? Do I have to do the whole application/background check again? Medical and pysc all over?
Also, any word on when the next class is going in?

Posted by: Mmp1

The next class is going in Dec. I know there are about 60-70 that are being processed right now for it.

Posted by: soxrock75

Word is a small class of 30-40 in December and then a BIG class in May/June of 2009.

Posted by: Boston664

Seems to me that this is what happens (classes crapping out) when you get a strict bilingual preference that supercedes straight resident 10s, and a residency requirement that severly limits qualified applicants. This has been said time and time again, but whats the problem with doing a blanket vet point system like the feds or MSP, then moving to ALL 10s. Fucking blows that someone who got a seven will get on before someone who got a 10 due to residency or bilingual preference. Language training is also an option for current officers, lots of depts do it. This way they don't get people failing out who can barely speak fucking english due to a bilingual preference. Look at LAPD and NYPD, they take people from all over the country, and NEVER have a problem filling classes. Sorry to say it but the whole "Poor us, we can't find enough qualified applicants" is DIRECTLY related to the residency requirement. Want to stop having classes of 30? Open it up people. Just my .02. By the way - I was a resident 10 so this isn't personal.

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by Boston664

Seems to me that this is what happens (classes crapping out) when you get a strict bilingual preference that supercedes straight resident 10s, and a residency requirement that severly limits qualified applicants. This has been said time and time again, but whats the problem with doing a blanket vet point system like the feds or MSP, then moving to ALL 10s. Fucking blows that someone who got a seven will get on before someone who got a 10 due to residency or bilingual preference. Language training is also an option for current officers, lots of depts do it. This way they don't get people failing out who can barely speak fucking english due to a bilingual preference. Look at LAPD and NYPD, they take people from all over the country, and NEVER have a problem filling classes. Sorry to say it but the whole "Poor us, we can't find enough qualified applicants" is DIRECTLY related to the residency requirement. Want to stop having classes of 30? Open it up people. Just my .02. By the way - I was a resident 10 so this isn't personal.

I heard from my buddy in the class that two more recruits left today due to academic failures. They have lost 20 so far! Maybe now they'll get to the people who scored high on the CS exam.

Posted by: mikeyv7712

any 9s get a card?

Posted by: smd6169

I am still surprised no one in this current class is doing a web site like the classes prior.....

Posted by: Stalker

Thats the downfall for Boston, They give you six months to move into the city limits

and they are always hiring.

From the most of the Boston cops that live near me, and I'm in wollaston. Same cop I see from time to time asks me if I taken the exam yet and keep telling him that not old enough yet and says who gives a damn that they wont look at it, for me to "just call and tell that I want to take the test"

Posted by: soxrock75

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Originally Posted by Stalker

Thats the downfall for Boston, They give you six months to move into the city limits

and they are always hiring.

Headache.............

Posted by: smd6169

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Originally Posted by Stalker

Thats the downfall for Boston, They give you six months to move into the city limits

and they are always hiring.

WHAT???? You sure your not in the current academy?

Posted by: mikeyv7712

that crazy talk

Posted by: Stalker

lol, yes. Im sure im not in the current class. I just grew up around cops and state.

Posted by: po-904

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Originally Posted by mikeyv7712

any 9s get a card?

I was wondering the same thing, I got a 9, resident, non-vet and nothing yet.
They claim they have all these problems filling classes yet they don't seem to have called any 9's yet (as far as I know). I'm sure there are plently of 9's that are well qualified and probably even 8's and 7's. Instead of wasting their time having another test in June, why not spend your time continuing down the list and sending out the cards?

Posted by: crisco88

El sistema del cuerpo de funcionarios públicos es complicado muy, no realmente...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patience_%28Guns_N%27_Roses_song%29

Posted by: Hopeful76

Any word on when cards will go out for the May class?

Posted by: crisco88

Need to get the scores from the new civil service exam, who knows when that will happen, then the list is formed from that. No known timetable exists just rumors.

Posted by: smd6169

Class 47-08 has it's website up....

http://www.bostonpoliceacademy.com/Welcome.html

Posted by: jtm

Does anyone know how Boston pd assigns vacation time. I have been told that they assign you your 2 weeks and you have no say on when it falls.

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by smd6169

Class 47-08 has it's website up....

http://www.bostonpoliceacademy.com/Welcome.html

Looks good! I noticed they deleted many pictures after a few days. My friend who is in current class says BPD HQ has total control over the content. Guess it makes sense.

Posted by: smd6169

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Originally Posted by jtm

Does anyone know how Boston pd assigns vacation time. I have been told that they assign you your 2 weeks and you have no say on when it falls.

JNot to jump the gun and get ahead of myself but I also have a few inquiries about BPD Benefits that the wife asked about...any info is greatly appreciated:
1. How many sick days/Personal Days are there?
2. Health Insurance - What is the breakdown, 90/10, 75/25 as far as what the officer pays and what the city pays?
3. Is the Quinn bill included in every pay check or paid lump sum?
4. How is vacation assigned?
5. Are you allowed to swap days with others?

Thanks.

Posted by: TSOL

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Originally Posted by trueblue

Looks good! I noticed they deleted many pictures after a few days. My friend who is in current class says BPD HQ has total control over the content. Guess it makes sense.

I don't doubt it. My buddy is in there too and said some girl called in sick the other day. Can you beleive that?

People wait for ever to get a call to get in the academy and never get the chance and people in her shoes call in sick.

That makes ME sick...

I heard she is a real basket case and should have been thrown out along time ago.

Ask your pal about her, I'm sure he could elaborate.

Posted by: trueblue

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Originally Posted by TSOL

You're right TSOL....She called in sick again today. That's unreal. I didn't call in sick for a year and a half because I thought I would be fired.

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