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Posted by: dan7728

Just wondering how many armed campus pd's have a Chief that is unarmed by choice.

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Posted by: JMB1977

huh?

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Posted by: dan7728

looking to see what armed depts have cheifs that choose not to carry. dan

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Posted by: firefighter39

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Originally Posted by dan7728 looking to see what armed depts have cheifs that choose not to carry. dan

Since the REAL Chiefs at most colleges are one of the Deans or President then I would say none! The "Chief" job at a college is mostly that of a whipping boy for the administration

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Posted by: Kilvinsky

Honestly, I have no idea if my chief carries. I never see him to speak of and that's perfectly ok with me. But it really IS a good question.

Aside from the 'deans' comment by firefighter (which has some truth for sure) I have wondered from time to time how many chiefs are even sworn in. Did the college/university hire a POLICE CHIEF or simply someone to head the department and don't see the need to spend the money to get them sworn and everything that goes with it. I suppose you can be the boss without having the power of arrest or need for a gun.

It IS a good question though.

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Posted by: CJIS

I don't work for a College PD but I when I was attending as a student I knew the chief and he was armed.

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Posted by: Q5-TPR

Let me ask this, and please don't think it is a dig at anyone, but along the same lines, how many Departments do carry but make their Officers leave the guns at work? Just a curiosity thing for me.

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Posted by: USMCTrooper

Like this unarmed "chief" and armed officer?

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Posted by: csauce777

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Originally Posted by Q5-TPR Let me ask this, and please don't think it is a dig at anyone, but along the same lines, how many Departments do carry but make their Officers leave the guns at work? Just a curiosity thing for me.

Didnt you and I have to do that at one point??

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Posted by: Q5-TPR

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Originally Posted by csauce777 Didnt you and I have to do that at one point??

I believe we did sir, but that is a story for another day, LOL

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Posted by: sgt128-13

When we became armed, all the officers and the chief (at that time) carried. He was an older guy on the way out the door and was in plain clothes all the time. It soon became a novelty for him to carry so he opted not to carry. The new chief is in uniform 99.99% of the time and carries all the time. And yes, we all our officers have to secure their duty weapons in the armory. No current provision for off-duty carry, to and from work with personal weapons.

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Posted by: celticsfan

I once had a chief who lost both arms in an accident.

So he was unarmed, but it was not by choice.

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Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by celticsfan I once had a chief who lost both arms in an accident. So he was unarmed, but it was not by choice.

Did he sue?

Or did they tell him he didn't have a leg to stand on either?

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Posted by: msw

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Originally Posted by Q5-TPR Let me ask this, and please don't think it is a dig at anyone, but along the same lines, how many Departments do carry but make their Officers leave the guns at work? Just a curiosity thing for me.

Back in 1976, I was a cop with the Wellesley College PD. Don't ever remember seeing the Chief with a gun, but who knows. At the time, we were issued 5 shot S&W .38's, and as I recall, we had to leave the guns at work, only carried that issued gun during our shift. But since all of us had our own LTC, we just carried our own personal weapon to and from work; not a big deal leaving the 5 shot .38 behind when we checked out, since most of us had something bigger and better to carry anyway! Just out of curiousity, any Wellesley College PD guys on the list to advise if they still must leave their issued weapon at work (and what they carry)?

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Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by celticsfan I once had a chief who lost both arms in an accident. So he was unarmed, but it was not by choice.

The long arm of the law was not in your departments policy I guess

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Posted by: Delta784

I didn't vote because there wasn't a category for "Chief is armed but shouldn't be".

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Posted by: new guy

They should add a "not sure," category. If I were a betting man I'de say my Chief doesn't carry, unless it's a well hidden Chief's special. And yes, we have to secure our firearms in our gunlockers at the end of tour.

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Posted by: Kilvinsky

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Originally Posted by new guy They should add a "not sure," category. If I were a betting man I'de say my Chief doesn't carry, unless it's a well hidden Chief's special. And yes, we have to secure our firearms in our gunlockers at the end of tour.

This sums up my job pretty much on the money. Unless we get permission to take the gun home. The university is terrified of the liability of us killing off our neighbors, family and friends with our department issued Glock unless we have permission.

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Posted by: celticsfan

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Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag The long arm of the law was not in your departments policy I guess

Nope. They tried to slap him on the wrist for that, but...

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Posted by: new guy

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Originally Posted by celticsfan Nope. They tried to slap him on the wrist for that, but...

So who's his right hand man ?

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Posted by: Kilvinsky

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Originally Posted by new guy So who's his right hand man ?

Geeze, once he retired he couldn't even keep his fingers in the game. I'd say let's give him a hand for staying on the job, but that would seem cruel.

And running a department these days takes a lot of hard work and elbow grease, I guess that's why he left the job, plus he had little influence since he couldn't strongarm anyone.

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Posted by: RCPD33

One of my former Chiefs (small College) was never a sworn Police Officer period. We always wondered about that and then suddenly, they changed his title one day to Director. According to him, he had never held or shot a firearm in his life, nor did he ever desire to.

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Posted by: Kilvinsky

I suppose so long as you're responsibilities rest with the day to day operations of the department and you allow a subordinate to handle anything remotely law enforcement related it's acceptable, but NOT prefered.

Everything budgetary, overall management could be handled by non-police personel but I just think you shouldn't put someone who hasn't done the job in charge as a rule, even if he/she has a terrific number 2 to handle stuff.

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Posted by: sgtsmithers

Besides UMassMemorial (again, not the State school/hospital), are there any other Campus PDs that don't have a Chief?

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