| Originally Posted by mtc  Kid - plan on a back up career to feed you while you test and wait.... It's better than flipping burgers with your $80K parchment. |
| Originally Posted by BartA1 if you dont want to be saddled with a plethora of student loans. I would reccomend getting an associates from a 2 year community college. |
| Originally Posted by BartA1 Then I would reccomend finding a school to transfer and finish the Bachelors degree, but being your a senior in high school and you probably want to get out of the house and try college life. I would reccomend UMass Lowell. Its a residential school and if you get lucky enough to get a job in Mass you will be all set with collecting the quinn bill. |
. The biggest part of college is eventually we all do something stupid, just don't get caught!!! | Originally Posted by Loyal regarding the Quinn Bill - "Curry, if you're in a hurry" - accelerated classes.. |
| Originally Posted by LikeIt223 Check out Worcester State as well. Between their low tuition/fees and my GI BILL I make about a grand every semester going here!!! Without vetran's benefits it will cost 3-4k a semester as a commuter and 6-7k as a resident. Pretty sure it is one of the cheapest in the state and the ever expanding CJ program has some surprisingly good prof's with decent L.E. backgrounds. Other than that- stick with the advice above. A B.S. is a B.S. is a B.S.-- they will all help you in the long run. I heard Curry was no longer accepting applications and their CJ program was shutting down? Any truth to this or is it all BS<--- That's bull sh*t not Bachelor of Science!! |
| Originally Posted by LikeIt223 I heard Curry was no longer accepting applications and their CJ program was shutting down? Any truth to this or is it all BS<--- That's bull sh*t not Bachelor of Science!! |
| Originally Posted by OPD05 My $.02 depends on what you want to do with your degree. Assuming since you are on MASSCOPS that you want to be a cop, go for Quinn bill. I was looking for a better reputation school because I did not want to narrow my options after school. Just because you have a CJ degree doesnt mean you get a badge with diploma. I went to BC and am in law school now in hopes of getting into the DA's side of LE. Not what I thought I would be doing at 18. Good luck with your choice. |
| Originally Posted by PearlOnyx I'm a cop, but 20 years down the road, I want to teach college. I think his point was that depending on what you're long term goals are, you may benefit from going to a bigger name school or a school with a better reputation, if you have goals beyond just getting you Quinn Bill money. I'm not knocking some of the smaller schools and community colleges, but we must be real. There are still many schools out there, which in the academic world, are looked upon as less than reputable as others. I've never attended Curry, so I can't speak on it from personal experience, but I can tell you that alot of people look at Curry as a diploma mill for cops. Personally, if I had some sort of lofty goals outside of law enforcement, I'd avoid that school due to reputation. If my goal was Quinn and only Quinn, I'd consider it along with the rest. |
| Originally Posted by topcop14 Not true, I am finishing my last two classes at Curry right now. They are closeing the Worcester Campus but thats it, The program is alive and well in Milton. Worcester Will be closed this summer. |
| Originally Posted by LikeIt223 I am from the worcester area, so that explains why I have heard that and nobody else has!! It's tough living in this other world called west of 495!! |
| Originally Posted by LikeIt223 Check out Worcester State as well. Between their low tuition/fees and my GI BILL I make about a grand every semester going here!!! Without vetran's benefits it will cost 3-4k a semester as a commuter and 6-7k as a resident. Pretty sure it is one of the cheapest in the state and the ever expanding CJ program has some surprisingly good prof's with decent L.E. backgrounds. |
| Originally Posted by fish4all State schools are good but you are forced to take alot of electives that have nothinig to do with cj. Private schools offer more classes in the field of cj but at what cost. |
| Originally Posted by PearlOnyx Delta, While I agree that when it comes to meeting requirements to teach, a RA degree is an RA degree, however my point is that when you stand up 2 candidates for 1 job next to eachother, the quality of the institution that person attended is bound to be a factor. When competing for a position a MS from Northeastern is bound to look better than a MS from Curry. To each their own... |
| Originally Posted by kttref So...what do you think of Norwich University for grad??? (Please tell me I made the right choice!) haha. |
| Originally Posted by kttref (it's free if the PD pays for it!) |
| Originally Posted by USMCMP5811 Can't beat that with a leather sap can ya? |
| Originally Posted by kttref Yeah..since they pay for it we don't get anything extra when we're done... |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 If you mean national standings, |
| Originally Posted by Barbrady John Jay College...I think. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 Have your PD pay for the degree, then move and become a Masshole to reap the benefits. |
| Originally Posted by kttref I'd rather be a Connecticu...nevermind. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 Connecticut is a lot like Massachusetts, just a slightly different accent and more Yankee fans. |
| Originally Posted by andy0921 We have less liberal douche bags. |
| Originally Posted by usaf1199a If you want a police officer job in MA - start on it from day 1. I would not wait to finish college. I would apply to everything and anything with the hopes you would either get sponsored for the full-time academy or you will get hired by a department full-time who will put you thru the academy. My advice to you is that here in MA you often times get only one chance to get on - you have the rest of your life to finish college with no age restrictions. Best of luck. In short - college means nothing in MA, the only thing that matters in veteran's preference. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 The best Cj school out there is John Jay. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Northeastern is a Criminology school |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Wrong? Ok, then who in your opinion is the top? |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Ive talked to enough professors to know John Jay is the top Cj school because thats all they teach there. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Criminology is what Northeastern specializes in... |
| Originally Posted by galehopeful First of all, the US News and World Report rankings are consistently controversial and notorious for the strange way in which they rank. If we are to use them, however, the rankings you've shown are for criminology programs. In the U of Maryland case, the Criminology and Criminal Justice program are the same department, but at other places they are separate. Is there a "Criminal Justice" ranking list, or is criminology as close as it gets? |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Bottom line, John Jay is one of the top schools. They specialize in this stuff, and are internationally recognized for their research and academic programs. I have alot of family that has attended John JAy... outstanding school. WHen I attended UMD, no one even paid attendtion to the Criminology program. They are primaril a business school...besides. You dont need a CJ degree to be a cop...you learn what you need to in the academy. If you want to go somewhere in the department nowadays, they want the business degree. CJ gets you in the door, Business gets you promoted..and others get you a specialty assignment. Welcome to the new age of Law enforcement. CJ degrees are a dime a dozen. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 If you want to go somewhere in the department nowadays, they want the business degree.. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 You dont need a CJ degree to be a cop...you learn what you need to in the academy. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 If you want to go somewhere in the department nowadays, they want the business degree. CJ gets you in the door, Business gets you promoted..and others get you a specialty assignment. Welcome to the new age of Law enforcement. CJ degrees are a dime a dozen. |
| Originally Posted by midwatch This I agree with. This, on the other hand, is possibly the dumbest thing I've read today. I will say that business skills (finance, computer skills) may be helpful and sought after for promotions/administrative slots, but if you want to be a cop, get your CJ degree. And go to UMass Lowell with their 5 year Master's program...screw John Jay and Maryland. Good schools, but why bother when UML's program is pretty highly regarded, cost efficient, and Quinn Bill certified. |
| Originally Posted by PaulKersey What department is that? |
| Originally Posted by PaulKersey What department is that? |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 That post is so comically inaccurate, I barely know where to begin. You're not related to Grasshopper by any chance? |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Absolutely wrong. If you are still patrolling the streets and have a masters degree there is something wrong. You better be in the higher echelon of your PD. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Most in NH, MAine, VT, MD, VA, NC, etc... need I go on?.quote] Yes, there's something wrong with making an extra $250 a week for having this degree. The entrance exam gets you on the job. The promotional test gets you promoted. The CJ degree gets you a raise. That's how it works in Mass, but don't listen to the guys that actually do the job. |
| Originally Posted by galehopeful First of all, the US News and World Report rankings are consistently controversial and notorious for the strange way in which they rank. If we are to use them, however, the rankings you've shown are for criminology programs. In the U of Maryland case, the Criminology and Criminal Justice program are the same department, but at other places they are separate. Is there a "Criminal Justice" ranking list, or is criminology as close as it gets? |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 Both Criminology and Criminal Justice programs are ranked under Criminology....many schools on the list (SUNY-Albany, Michigan State, Cincinnati, etc.) offer strictly CJ programs, and there is little practical difference between the two. The only real controversy with the USN&WR rankings generally comes from schools and alumni of schools who aren't happy with their own rankings. In any event, even the ACJS rankings have Maryland, SUNY-Albany, and Cincinnati in the top 5. CUNY-John Jay doesn't break the top 10 on either list. |
| Originally Posted by PaulKersey Im well versed on how you do it in Mass thank you, but in a real state where they dont have to bribe their officers to get educated, it doesnt matter what your degree is in. So yea, in the Communist Commonwealth of Mass, maybe you do need a CJ degree. In NH for example, you dont just take a test, its based upon your merit, education, and resume. Having a Masters degree actually means something in the rest of the country, and not only promotion. What ever happened to best man for the job? Oh, thats right, Mass works on the civil circus program, so its every minority and resident to the top. Still funny how Mass residents still try to run up into NH for jobs though. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Sorry, but thats what Ive seen in the Mass system. When you have people who have been told that if they were a minority they would have had a job, then thats wrong. Whats wrong with working your ass off, building a resume to be marketable and working that way. I tested once in MA, and am glad I got away from it...I was a canidate that was told that I wasnt a minority so it didnt look good, alot of good people are sent packing that way and it is wrong. The MA state civil service test is a joke. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Absolutely wrong. CJ degrees are a dime a dozen. I know in Mass you people do things all messed up from the rest of the nation, but when you go to a non communist state they dont want CJ. You dont need a CJ degree to be a cop. You learn what you need to in the academy. I remember when I was a student my department head (from the CJ depratment) even said that CJ was not a needed degree. You people are talking about MAsters programs like every cop has one. If you are still patrolling the streets and have a masters degree there is something wrong. You better be in the higher echelon of your PD. A state school is a state school. More and more PDs want military first then college. And if they are plucking kids straight out of college then its because they lacked quality canidates from the beginning. Chiefs want maturity and life experience. A degree gets your foot in the door. But then again, this is the Communist's confederate republic of the socialist state of Mass that we are talking about. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Youre innacurate. Im U Maryland Alumni... Business is our thing. The CJ department is a quiet department that most people dont deal with. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 CJ degrees are a joke. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Everything I did when I went for my associates was covered in the academy, then I got smart and went for business. Because you took the easy road and went with CJ and that worked for you back in the stone age, then congratulations. Everyone I have talked to says they love Business majors... and at most minor in the CJ field. My professors in my Masters program currently say the same thing, and its the same way for these Homeland Security degrees that are coming out. They are simply extended CJ degrees with a few courses on terrorism that give basic information you can get online on a decent website. I know what I have done, and it has worked for me. |
| Originally Posted by Grasshopper minority preference has very little if anything to do with the hiring process. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Absolutely wrong. CJ degrees are a dime a dozen. I know in Mass you people do things all messed up from the rest of the nation, but when you go to a non communist state they dont want CJ. You dont need a CJ degree to be a cop. You learn what you need to in the academy. I remember when I was a student my department head (from the CJ depratment) even said that CJ was not a needed degree. You people are talking about MAsters programs like every cop has one. If you are still patrolling the streets and have a masters degree there is something wrong. You better be in the higher echelon of your PD. A state school is a state school. More and more PDs want military first then college. And if they are plucking kids straight out of college then its because they lacked quality canidates from the beginning. Chiefs want maturity and life experience. A degree gets your foot in the door. But then again, this is the Communist's confederate republic of the socialist state of Mass that we are talking about. |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Bottom line, John Jay is one of the top schools. They specialize in this stuff, and are internationally recognized for their research and academic programs. I have alot of family that has attended John JAy... outstanding school. WHen I attended UMD, no one even paid attendtion to the Criminology program. They are primaril a business school...besides. You dont need a CJ degree to be a cop...you learn what you need to in the academy. If you want to go somewhere in the department nowadays, they want the business degree. CJ gets you in the door, Business gets you promoted..and others get you a specialty assignment. Welcome to the new age of Law enforcement. CJ degrees are a dime a dozen. |
| Originally Posted by chief801 All of my professors, colleagues, and fellow faculty members advised my to steer clear of John Jay for doctoral work. It doesn't carry the respect that you think it does. The academic rigor of their program is questioned by many in academia. As far as not needing a CJ major, well, check the chief's job listings. An overwhelming majority require a bachelors in CJ (or related field), Masters preferred. I will agree with you in part. I recommend a bachelors in CJ and an advanced degree in another discipline. The only downside is that you don't get paid for the masters unless it is CJ. You are entitled to your slanted rantings, but to say that someone who get's a masters degree and doesn't get promoted is just way off. I will join you in your criticism of civil service, which I have not been shy about elswhere on this board, but your one-dimensional and unjustifiable elitist view of the police officers who hold a master's degree and do not seek promotion is just plain garbage! |
| Originally Posted by redsox03 Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. |
| Originally Posted by chief801 All of my professors, colleagues, and fellow faculty members advised my to steer clear of John Jay for doctoral work. It doesn't carry the respect that you think it does. The academic rigor of their program is questioned by many in academia. As far as not needing a CJ major, well, check the chief's job listings. An overwhelming majority require a bachelors in CJ (or related field), Masters preferred. I will agree with you in part. I recommend a bachelors in CJ and an advanced degree in another discipline. The only downside is that you don't get paid for the masters unless it is CJ. You are entitled to your slanted rantings, but to say that someone who get's a masters degree and doesn't get promoted is just way off. I will join you in your criticism of civil service, which I have not been shy about elswhere on this board, but your one-dimensional and unjustifiable elitist view of the police officers who hold a master's degree and do not seek promotion is just plain garbage! |
| Originally Posted by tacpup82 Absolutely wrong. CJ degrees are a dime a dozen. I know in Mass you people do things all messed up from the rest of the nation, but when you go to a non communist state they dont want CJ. You dont need a CJ degree to be a cop. You learn what you need to in the academy. I remember when I was a student my department head (from the CJ depratment) even said that CJ was not a needed degree. You people are talking about MAsters programs like every cop has one. If you are still patrolling the streets and have a masters degree there is something wrong. You better be in the higher echelon of your PD. A state school is a state school. More and more PDs want military first then college. And if they are plucking kids straight out of college then its because they lacked quality canidates from the beginning. Chiefs want maturity and life experience. A degree gets your foot in the door. But then again, this is the Communist's confederate republic of the socialist state of Mass that we are talking about. Most in NH, MAine, VT, MD, VA, NC, etc... need I go on? Youre innacurate. Im U Maryland Alumni... Business is our thing. The CJ department is a quiet department that most people dont deal with. CJ degrees are a joke. Everything I did when I went for my associates was covered in the academy, then I got smart and went for business. Because you took the easy road and went with CJ and that worked for you back in the stone age, then congratulations. Everyone I have talked to says they love Business majors... and at most minor in the CJ field. My professors in my Masters program currently say the same thing, and its the same way for these Homeland Security degrees that are coming out. They are simply extended CJ degrees with a few courses on terrorism that give basic information you can get online on a decent website. I know what I have done, and it has worked for me. |
| Originally Posted by Nighttrain You're right tacpup, we've all been bribed into getting an education. We've also been bribed into keeping all of our teeth in our mouths. I'm glad to see law enforcement in NH hasen't been bullied into that one! As for being on patrol with a master's degree why can't someone work the street but have desire to learn, to better themselves? Not everyone on the job wants to make rank. Grasshopper gets banned for using big words yet this tool is basically calling us all corrupt and that our educations aren't real. I'm far more offended by my character being questioned than by them big ole' college words. This kid is a stooge. |
| Originally Posted by 94c Not that I would ever think of becoming a chief but, I'll take politics over any degree, from any place, you can up with. Where a degree comes from has absolutely nothing to do with becoming a chief. |
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