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Posted by: Inspector

While this story dates back to the fall I don't recall reading it previously. It should serve to make one wonder what sort of precautions we are taking when we farm out contracts for our vital electronic parts to China and some other countries other than our own.

An unexpected visit by a Chinese Submarine that went undetected in the middle of a Pacific Ocean Naval exercise and came extremely close to the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk, has American military chiefs looking for answers.
The sub was apparently able to slip past at least a dozen U.S. warships, two U.S. submarines and a vast array of advanced technology, which failed to detect it.
When the Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, they take the security of the aircraft carriers very seriously. At least a dozen warships are used to provide a physical guard, and using advanced technology they are able to detect and deter any potential intruders.
By the time the Chinese sub surfaced, the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk, a 1,000ft. super carrier with 4,500 military personnel on-board.
According to senior NATO officials, the incident caused a sense of sudden fear in the U.S. Navy, as officials realized the seriousness of the encounter. The U.S. apparently had no idea just how sophisticated China’s fast-growing submarine fleet had become, or that they even posed such a threat.
Analysts believe that China was sending a message to the United States and the West by demonstrating their rapidly growing military capability to threaten foreign powers that might try to interfere in their own “backyard.”
The U.S. Navy and Nato are now forced to re-think their strategy, and reconsider the level of threat posed from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

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Posted by: USMCMP5811

hmmmm, is it me or is it chilly in here? has the thermostat been turned back down to the cold war setting again?

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Posted by: celticsfan

Don't for one minute be lulled into thinking that our trade relations with China mean that the Chinese military wouldn't want to blow us into oblivion given the chance.

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Posted by: rg1283

I don't know how sensitive the equipment being made in china is. If they are talking the run of the mill electronic parts, like consumer electronic compentants, etc. then who cares. I hope. we still make all of the cool stuff in this country, places like Raytheon, etc. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by rg1283 I hope. we still make all of the cool stuff in this country, places like Raytheon, etc. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Holy Jeezum!!!

I can tell you from experience this is NOT good! Back in the eighties, spy-assholes like Walker and other traitors nearly handed the keys to the soviets!
I was sitting off of a certain "red' coastline in 1987 and We found it strange that everywhere we went, "Ivan" soon showed up close aboard and hunting aggressively for somebody.

The Soviet Mig-25 was DIRECT copy of a very cable and ahead-of-its-time
Canadian fighter that the U.S. got cancelled (first use of titanium ahead of F-4) after the factory was infiltrated by four (4) soviet spys. (Extra points to who names the cancelled canadian jet)

Submarines are stealthy mutha's my friends, and very deadly. One in the neighborhood is a concern...a fleet of them? Well remember the U-boats? Imagine if only 1/4 of them had nuclear weapons then, YIKES!!!

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Posted by: Inspector

You don't have to go back to the Walker case. Here is just one case where Chinese paid spies in the U.S. were passing on Naval secrets. You can also find countless examples of where U.S. corporations with Washington connections are CLEARED to pass along new technology to their affiliates, which are also affiliated with China in multi-million dollar deals. Much of the technology deals with military and computer communications equipment. The U.S. firms are actually sending along this know how so their overseas manufacturing companies can make some of the equipment to be sent back here. I read recently NO plane in the world, including U.S. military aircraft has parts, including electronics, which are all made in the U.S. I assume the same applies to ships. Here's a quick look at one example that could be directly related to this incident.

"Four persons arrested in Los Angeles are part of a Chinese intelligence-gathering ring, federal investigators said, and the suspects caused serious compromises for 15 years to major U.S. weapons systems, including submarines and warships. U.S. intelligence and security officials said the case remains under investigation but that it could prove to be among the most damaging spy cases since the 1985 one of John A. Walker Jr., who passed Navy communication codes to Moscow for 22 years. The Los Angeles spy ring has operated since 1990 and has funneled technology and military secrets to China in the form of documents and computer disks" ……(Washington Times, 5 Nov 05)


Really makes me feel comfortable.

Oh by the way... MPD was that the CF 105 Arrow?

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Posted by: Sniper

Wow.............

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Posted by: rg1283

What scares me is the undetected part, if that is indeed true. We have some serious problems. Someone in the US Navy has some explaining to do. Diesal electrics can be very quiet (when they shut off their engines) from what I read in tom clancy novels.

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Posted by: Hb13

Scary sh!t, I wonder how the men and women on the Kittyhawk felt when they saw the oriental express come popping up out of the water. I personally agree with some others that this was an outright test of our ability to track them. Sneeky pricks in my eyes are pushing their luck doing that.

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Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by Hb13 Scary sh!t, I wonder how the men and women on the Kittyhawk felt when they saw the oriental express come popping up out of the water.

They should have said "Hello" back with a couple of MK48 torpedoes.

"Submarine? What submarine?"

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Posted by: Hb13

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Originally Posted by Delta784 They should have said "Hello" back with a couple of MK48 torpedoes. "Submarine? What submarine?"

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Posted by: jettsixx

"You sank my battleship!"

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Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by Inspector Oh by the way... MPD was that the CF 105 Arrow?

YES! Inspector wins the PRIZE!!!!

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Posted by: WaterPistola

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Originally Posted by jettsixx "You sank my battleship!"

i like "you scratched my anchor!" better

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