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HELP : Appealing a JOL Speeding Ticket

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Posted by: Mosescanwalk

Hello everyone im a 17 year old driver with a clean record and I would like your opinons on this. I got into a car accident on 10/10/07 and received a $100 estimated speeding ticket. What happened to cause the accident was my back tires locking up going around a corner full of wet leaves and rain finally crashing into a telelphone pole. The cop on the scene gave me the $100 ticket (which is estimated) no one was there to see it.which I have no problem paying but I cant afford to lose my license. I was not speeding and it had rained the day before. I dont know if this is important but my car had the entire braking system redone 6 days prior to the accident. Im appealing it and my court date is at the end of the week.

So am i screwed? or do I have a chance with pleading with the magistrate.

sorry for the grammar teens cant spell.




Posted by: 94c

Dear Lord. I hope you weren't hurt.



Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

Oh come on! this has gotta be a troll!



Posted by: kwflatbed

Sit back and And enjoy the show



Posted by: Fowlplay

I'm not sure what a JOL ticket is, but y'all sure seem to give alot of 'em out. They all seem to be to people who come on here an bitch about it, too. Seems like some kind of strange psychic coincidence if you asked me.



Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Originally Posted by Mosescanwalk View Post
Hello everyone im a 17 year old driver with a clean record and I would like your opinons on this. I got into a car accident on 10/10/07 and received a $100 estimated speeding ticket.
Ok.....

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Originally Posted by Mosescanwalk View Post
What happened to cause the accident was my back tires locking up going around a corner full of wet leaves and rain finally crashing into a telelphone pole.


No, the cause of the accident was your speed was to fast for the conditions of the roadway causing you to loose controle of your vehicle on the wet roadway and leaves.


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Originally Posted by Mosescanwalk View Post
The cop on the scene gave me the $100 ticket (which is estimated) no one was there to see it.which I have no problem paying but I cant afford to lose my license..


Doesn't matter if no one or or everyone was there to see it. That is why it was "Estimated" simple basic accident reconstruction. And if you can't afford to loose your license, don't drive like an ass.


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I was not speeding and it had rained the day before.


OK, fist you say it was raining at the time of the collision, and now you say it rained the dy before..... which is it flip flopper?


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Originally Posted by Mosescanwalk View Post
I dont know if this is important but my car had the entire braking system redone 6 days prior to the accident. .

Doesn't matter that you had the braking system redone, it's not a mechanicle error that caused the collision, it was driver error. The only mechanical error i can see is the loose nut behind the wheel.

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Im appealing it and my court date is at the end of the week.
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Originally Posted by Mosescanwalk View Post
So am i screwed? or do I have a chance with pleading with the magistrate.


Well, good luck there Mario

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Originally Posted by Mosescanwalk View Post
sorry for the grammar teens cant spell.
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I'll at least give you that one.

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Originally Posted by Fowlplay View Post
I'm not sure what a JOL ticket is, but y'all sure seem to give alot of 'em out. They all seem to be to people who come on here an bitch about it, too. Seems like some kind of strange psychic coincidence if you asked me.
Fowlplay, JOL is Junior Operator License. These are some of the cites and penalties.

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/jol/jol_penalties_chart.htm



Posted by: mtc

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Originally Posted by Mosescanwalk View Post
sorry for the grammar teens cant spell.

Like the rest of your post, this too, is bullshit.

My 16yr olds eyes are bleeding now, after trying to correct your spelling, punctuation, and grammatical errors.



Posted by: lawdog671

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Like the rest of your post, this too, is bullshit.

My 16yr olds eyes are bleeding now, after trying to correct your spelling, punctuation, and grammatical errors.
MTC.....If I may...
Teens who give a rats ass care..
EVERYONE starts with a clean record kid....you just couldn't keep it that way for a whopping six months....do everyone including yourself a favor and pay the gig you earned and get a bike so the only person you can hurt is you....



Posted by: USMCTrooper

Give up the car. Try riding this......the scooter might be fun too.





Posted by: kttref

...MA doesn't have a charge for "Speed to fast for conditions"??? Holy crap, we have a charge you guys don't that is useful?



Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Originally Posted by kttref View Post
...MA doesn't have a charge for "Speed to fast for conditions"??? Holy crap, we have a charge you guys don't that is useful?

we do Kate


CHAPTER 90. MOTOR VEHICLES AND AIRCRAFT


MOTOR VEHICLES


Chapter 90: Section 17. Speed limits


Section 17. No person operating a motor vehicle on any way shall run it at a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper, having regard to traffic and the use of the way and the safety of the public. Unless a way is otherwise posted in accordance with the provisions of section eighteen, it shall be prima facie evidence of a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper as aforesaid (1) if a motor vehicle is operated on a divided highway outside a thickly settled or business district at a rate of speed exceeding fifty miles per hour for a distance of a quarter of a mile, or (2) on any other way outside a thickly settled or business district at a rate of speed exceeding forty miles per hour for a distance of a quarter of a mile, or (3) inside a thickly settled or business district at a rate of speed exceeding thirty miles per hour for a distance of one-eighth of a mile, or (4) within a school zone which may be established by a city or town as provided in section two of chapter eighty-five at a rate of speed exceeding twenty miles per hour. Operation of a motor vehicle at a speed in excess of fifteen miles per hour within one-tenth of a mile of a vehicle used in hawking or peddling merchandise and which displays flashing amber lights shall likewise be prima facie evidence of a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper. If a speed limit has been duly established upon any way, in accordance with the provisions of said section, operation of a motor vehicle at a rate of speed in excess of such limit shall be prima facie evidence that such speed is greater than is reasonable and proper; but, notwithstanding such establishment of a speed limit, every person operating a motor vehicle shall decrease the speed of the same when a special hazard exists with respect to pedestrians or other traffic, or by reason of weather or highway conditions. Any person in violation of this section, while operating a motor vehicle through the parameters of a marked construction zone or construction area, at a speed which exceeds the posted limit, or at a speed that is greater than is reasonable and proper, shall be subject to a fine of 2 times the amount currently in effect for the violation issued. Except on a limited access highway, no person shall operate a school bus at a rate of speed exceeding forty miles per hour, while actually engaged in carrying school children.



Posted by: j809

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Originally Posted by Mosescanwalk View Post
Hello everyone im a 17 year old driver with a clean record and I would like your opinons on this. I got into a car accident on 10/10/07 and received a $100 estimated speeding ticket.
Well I guess you don't have a clean driving record.



Posted by: Q5-TPR

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Originally Posted by kwflatbed View Post
Sit back and And enjoy the show
KW, please pass me a frosty and some popcorn if there is any still left. (yes i know it is a violations of GO #1, but this is a special occasion!)



Posted by: kttref

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Originally Posted by USMCMP5811 View Post
we do Kate


CHAPTER 90. MOTOR VEHICLES AND AIRCRAFT


MOTOR VEHICLES


Chapter 90: Section 17. Speed limits


Section 17. No person operating a motor vehicle on any way shall run it at a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper, having regard to traffic and the use of the way and the safety of the public. Unless a way is otherwise posted in accordance with the provisions of section eighteen, it shall be prima facie evidence of a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper as aforesaid (1) if a motor vehicle is operated on a divided highway outside a thickly settled or business district at a rate of speed exceeding fifty miles per hour for a distance of a quarter of a mile, or (2) on any other way outside a thickly settled or business district at a rate of speed exceeding forty miles per hour for a distance of a quarter of a mile, or (3) inside a thickly settled or business district at a rate of speed exceeding thirty miles per hour for a distance of one-eighth of a mile, or (4) within a school zone which may be established by a city or town as provided in section two of chapter eighty-five at a rate of speed exceeding twenty miles per hour. Operation of a motor vehicle at a speed in excess of fifteen miles per hour within one-tenth of a mile of a vehicle used in hawking or peddling merchandise and which displays flashing amber lights shall likewise be prima facie evidence of a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper. If a speed limit has been duly established upon any way, in accordance with the provisions of said section, operation of a motor vehicle at a rate of speed in excess of such limit shall be prima facie evidence that such speed is greater than is reasonable and proper; but, notwithstanding such establishment of a speed limit, every person operating a motor vehicle shall decrease the speed of the same when a special hazard exists with respect to pedestrians or other traffic, or by reason of weather or highway conditions. Any person in violation of this section, while operating a motor vehicle through the parameters of a marked construction zone or construction area, at a speed which exceeds the posted limit, or at a speed that is greater than is reasonable and proper, shall be subject to a fine of 2 times the amount currently in effect for the violation issued. Except on a limited access highway, no person shall operate a school bus at a rate of speed exceeding forty miles per hour, while actually engaged in carrying school children.

Man...I was really hoping we had something you guys didn't



Posted by: kwflatbed

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Originally Posted by Q5-TPR View Post
KW, please pass me a frosty and some popcorn if there is any still left. (yes i know it is a violations of GO #1, but this is a special occasion!)

Ay there be plenty to go around






Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Originally Posted by kttref View Post
Man...I was really hoping we had something you guys didn't




Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by Fowlplay View Post
I'm not sure what a JOL ticket is, but y'all sure seem to give alot of 'em out.
It means he be...

Jit Out of Luck..





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