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Report: New class of campus police is bigger and better-armed

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Posted by: kwflatbed

By Sarah Viren
The Houston Chronicle

University police departments are bigger and more likely to arm their officers than a decade ago, according to a recent study by the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics.

In Texas, law enforcement departments on college campuses seem to be ahead of this trend, with nearly 94 percent of surveyed universities arming their police and just as many employing sworn officers.

"Texas is Texas: We are a state that has firearms," said Bill Taylor, chief of police at Rice University, which has sworn and armed officers. "If you don't have firearms on campus, what are the campus police going to do if somebody shows up with a weapon?"

Taylor, a member of the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators, calls the laws in Texas more progressive because they allow university police to carry guns and allow private colleges and universities to start up their own law enforcement departments. Some state laws, including those in Florida and Missouri, make it difficult for private schools to create their own armed police agencies.

The national trend toward bigger policing units, however, comes despite a reported decrease in violent and property crime on universities, according to the federal report, which was released in late February.

"I think a lot of times you get these high-profile events that make people feel less safe even though the actual crime numbers might not be getting worse," said Brian Reaves, author of the report.

His report looked at the most recent national data available, from the 2004-05 school year, which was before the Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University shootings. Reaves said these more recent student shooting sprees will likely lead more college police departments to arm their officers.

In Texas, 44 of the 47 universities surveyed have armed officers, compared with about two-thirds of universities nationwide. But only four Texas schools reported giving their police Tasers, compared with 20 percent nationally. These were University of Texas at Austin, Tech Tech University, Texas State University in San Marcos and West Texas A&M.

Texans lead nation
Texas universities on average staffed bigger university police departments than the rest of the nation per student, with about five full-time police staff per 1,000 students compared with 3.8 nationally. Reaves' report looked only at schools with at least 2,500 students.

The biggest police operations appeared to be at two of the state's medical and science schools: the University of Texas Health Science Centers in Houston and San Antonio. But UT Houston Assistant Police Chief Thomas Engells said the report, which lists 235 law enforcement staff per 3,398 students at his university, is misleading. The majority of his officers handle security at MD Anderson Cancer Center, which is part of the UT system.

Other universities with large per-student police departments include Rice University, Houston Baptist University, Texas Southern University and Prairie View A&M University. Nationally, private colleges tended to have bigger per-student policing operations, the report said.

Although campus police can get a bad rap on some campuses for shutting down parties or getting overzealous about parking tickets, University of Houston junior Kelsie Hahn said she mostly sees police as protectors.

"I know some of the officers by sight in a way that I don't know my city police, and it's always nice to see familiar faces around, especially when you are walking around at night," said Hahn, also the editor of the school newspaper.

Her school falls near the bottom of the list in Texas when it comes to police staff per 1,000 students. University of Houston has about one law enforcement staff per 1,000 students, compared with Rice's nine staff to 1,000 students. UH also has a lower percentage of students living on campus.

The state's biggest schools — the University of Texas and Texas A&M — each employ three police staff per 1,000 students, according to the study.

There are more than 13,000 officers working at colleges around the nation, Reaves said. According to the Bureau of Statistics report, these departments tend to have stiffer education requirements but pay lower wages for first-time officers and demand fewer hours of outside training than city and county police departments.

Taylor said he's seen an increase in professionalism among college police and thinks the trend benefits not just students, but local police, who are freed up to focus on crimes outside the campus. But the Rice chief says having a distinctive department also allows his officers to be more community-oriented.

"We actually do a different brand of policing," he said. "Houston is much more about responding to calls, being reactive. We try to be more proactive."


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Something to copy and pass on to your administrators



Posted by: mpd61

Well....

I'll go out on a limb and say that Massachusetts is probably at the other end of the scale from states like Texas.


"Texas is Texas: We are a state that has firearms," said Bill Taylor, chief of police at Rice University, which has sworn and armed officers. "If you don't have firearms on campus, what are the campus police going to do if somebody shows up with a weapon?"



Posted by: JMB1977

I would agree mpd.



Posted by: Kilvinsky

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Originally Posted by mpd61 View Post
Well....

I'll go out on a limb and say that Massachusetts is probably at the other end of the scale from states like Texas.


"Texas is Texas: We are a state that has firearms," said Bill Taylor, chief of police at Rice University, which has sworn and armed officers. "If you don't have firearms on campus, what are the campus police going to do if somebody shows up with a weapon?"
We're actually not bad off compared to a lot of other states, not to say things are rosy here so no, I don't have my glasses on at this time. Plenty of states won't even allow a private college/university to have a PD. Also, though there's no REAL training level requirement, there is a decent amount of training offered.

Even California has only a few colleges that have powers and that's through a local concern. Texas is WAY out ahead of the field though and I believe Louisiana is up there too. Rhode Island won't even arm their state schools. Brown fought for YEARS, no DECADES to get firearms and just got them about two years ago. There's no restriction outside the individual school admins that prevent a college PD from carrying.

As far as what to do without a gun, do what they used to do at Brown. Duck under the car and call the locals. Once the shooting stops, go and see who lived and needs help. Smartest move to make if unarmed.

Evasive Action!



Posted by: rg1283

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Originally Posted by Kilvinsky View Post

Rhode Island won't even arm their state schools. Brown fought for YEARS, no DECADES to get firearms and just got them about two years ago. There's no restriction outside the individual school admins that prevent a college PD from carrying.

As far as what to do without a gun, do what they used to do at Brown. Duck under the car and call the locals. Once the shooting stops, go and see who lived and needs help. Smartest move to make if unarmed.

Evasive Action!
Rhode Island is real ass backwards when it comes to this. At Rhode Island College only the supervisors carry mace and a bat, every other officer carries...handcuffs.

URI Rhode Island's Flagship university isn't even armed.

Also it took legislative action to give Brown University Police powers, I don't know when that happened (might have been decades ago).

http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/statute...2%2D7%2D21.htm



Posted by: SCPDLT

Rhode Island was the last state in the nation to have any armed campus police officers and that is just one school that is armed Brown.



Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

Rhodeies State Police have sexy uniforms



Posted by: kwflatbed

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Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE View Post
Rhodeies State Police have sexy uniforms

What the hell does this have to do with the thread ??



Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

NH is in the same boat as RI I believe.



Posted by: Kilvinsky

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Originally Posted by SCPDLT View Post
Rhode Island was the last state in the nation to have any armed campus police officers and that is just one school that is armed Brown.
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Heck, it was the last state to ratify the Constitution, so they are naturally a little behind.

As for the sexy uniforms, well, sure, in Rhode Island they look good (Jim Carey in "Me, Myself and Irene" was to DIE for!), but Mass. State Police look more like the SS and man, THAT was a uniform!

As for NH. UNH is pretty up to date. Plymouth State is small but seems to be moving in the right direction, now that they are a UNIVERSITY and not a state college. Keene State is still in 'security mode' or so it seems. Might be a great bunch of guys but the college seems to want to hold them back.



Posted by: SCPDLT

I heard Keene State was trying to get legislation passed to at least get arrest powers.



Posted by: new guy

The fact that this state has legislation that accodomates both state and private schools puts it ahead of alot of states. That doesn't mean that their isn't room for improvement. It would be nice to see the MPTC be a little more endearing with training opportunities and the addition of CH 90 in SSPO legislation would be nice but overall it seems like many of the individual colleges hold their own departments back more so than the state itself.



Posted by: Kilvinsky

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Originally Posted by new guy View Post
The fact that this state has legislation that accodomates both state and private schools puts it ahead of alot of states. That doesn't mean that their isn't room for improvement. It would be nice to see the MPTC be a little more endearing with training opportunities and the addition of CH 90 in SSPO legislation would be nice but overall it seems like many of the individual colleges hold their own departments back more so than the state itself.
RIGHT ON THE MONEY!

A few private schools have had Ch. 90 through an agreement with the local chief (I can think of one major university that had it and lost it due to the chief, but can't recall exactly which {harvard} one) and I know legislation has been tried and failed. John Silber tried to get it for BU some time back but the BPPA and MPA (God bless our boys) fought it tooth and nail. There was a fear that they would lose their jobs or some such thing.

It IS all the college/university administrations that stop the individual departments from leaping into the 21st century and for so many lame reasons. I understand if they are reluctant to have a real PD on campus, fine, then have a security department and stop fooling the parents and criminals. These people aren't that dumb. Deficate or remove yourself from the commode!

There are so many people who are doing a great job out there without the propper tools and training and it's not their fault. It's the fault of Dr. Dipship and Prof. Pisswad and Student Shitforbrains holding things back for the most ridiculous reasons and it's WRONG!

I'm rambling. I'll stop.



Posted by: Loyal

After all these active shooter incidents, every college force should be armed. If you are not, it's because someone does not have faith in the screening process for campus police officers or in your training. Good luck.



Posted by: csauce777

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Originally Posted by Kilvinsky View Post
We're actually not bad off compared to a lot of other states, not to say things are rosy here so no, I don't have my glasses on at this time. Plenty of states won't even allow a private college/university to have a PD. Also, though there's no REAL training level requirement, there is a decent amount of training offered.

Even California has only a few colleges that have powers and that's through a local concern.
From my time spent on the left coast, I recall that virtually every community college district, state college, state university, etc...has its own full service police department, that employs fully certified and sworn POST officers. Same with city school police departments. Some private schools do not. A quick search will lead you to this partial list of California campus police departments. http://www.police.sbc.edu/california.htm

American River College Campus Police
Biola University Department of Campus Safety
Cabrillo College (Santa Cruz County Sheriff's Office)
California State Polytechnic University Pomona Public Safety
California State Polytechnic University San Luis Obispo Public Safety
California State University Bakersfield Department of Public Safety
California State University Chico Police Department
California State University Dominguez Hills Police Department
California State University Fresno Department of Public Safety
California State University Fullerton Police Department
California State University Los Angeles Department of Public Safety
California State University Long Beach Police Department
California State University Monterey Bay Police Department
California State University Northridge Department of Public Safety
California State University Sacramento Police Department
California State University San Bernardino Department of Public Safety
California State University, San Marcos Department of Public Safety
California State University Stanislaus Department of Public Safety
Cerritos College Campus Police Department
Cuesta College Department of Public Safety
Cuesta College Public Safety
El Caminio Community College Police
Humboldt State University Police Department
Los Angeles Unified School District Police Department
Loyola Marymount University Department of Public Safety
Marin Community College Police Department
Mills College Department of Public Safety
MiraCosta College Police Department
Moorpark College Campus Police
Napa Valley College Department of Public Safety
Palomar College Police Department
Pasadena City College Police & Safety
Pasadena Unified School District School Police Department
Pepperdine University Department of Public Safety
Point Loma Nazarene University Department of Public Safety
Saddleback College Campus Safety
San Diego City Schools Police Department
San Diego State University, Department of Public Safety
San Francisco State University Department of Public Safety
San Jose State University Police Department
Santa Clara University Department of Campus Safety
Santa Monica College Police Department
Sierra College Campus Police Department
Solano Community College Campus Police Department
Sonoma County Junior College District Police
Sonoma State University Police
Southwestern University School of Law, Campus Safety
Stanford University, Department of Public Safety
Fresno City College - State Center Community College Distrcit Police Department
University of Califonia - Berkeley Police Department
University of California - Davis Police Department
University of California - Irvine Police Department
University of California - Los Angeles Police Department
University of California - Riverside Police Department
University of California - San Diego Police Department
University of California - Santa Barbara Police Department
University of California - Santa Cruz Police Department
University of California - San Francisco Police Department
University of La Verne Safety & Transportation Department
University of The Pacific Police Department
University of San Francisco Department of Public Safety
University of Southern California, Department of Public Safety
Ventura County Community College District Police
West Valley-Mission Community College District Police Department



Posted by: celticsfan

University of Phoenix--Department of Very Special Police



Posted by: Kilvinsky

csauce, nice research. I know as far as the state schools go, they're at the top of the field, but private-wise, they're mostly security with the 'power to detain' and hardly any private schools have firearms. I know UofSF is progressive as hell (I've got a photo of a bunch of those guys from the early 80s, armed back then and everything) as is USC. The private schools are very professional, but lack the powers and equipment that even in Mass. is available, though not issued often enough.

You did a hell of a job on that list and it's obvious you know what you're talking about.



Posted by: JP64

Acording to the University of the Pacific PD's website:

"Pacific is only one of two private universities in California whose officers have full police officer powers. Pursuant to a memorandum of understanding with the City of Stockton and the Stockton Police Department, Pacific officers receive and maintain state-mandated training standards. Though they are able to use their police officer powers off campus, their main jurisdiction is the Stockton campus."

The opther appears to be Stanford University:

"Stanford Deputy Sheriffs derive their peace officer powers through an agreement between Stanford University and the Sheriff of Santa Clara County. While on-duty, Stanford deputies have full law enforcement powers to make arrests, enforce all applicable federal, state, and local laws and provide any other law enforcement services pursuant to section 830.6 of the California Penal Code. The training received by Stanford deputies meets California State standards for full-function Peace Officers. The training program includes twenty-four (24) weeks of police academy training, and a minimum of sixteen (16) weeks of supervised field training, followed by a continuous regimen of inservice, specialty, and advanced training."

Looks like for Private institutions, CA is tough for PD's, but for State institutions they are nuts. Hell, some of them even have fulltime FD's...not that we care about them.



Posted by: Loyal

do the campus departments that carry in Massachusetts undergo "Active Shooter" training from S.T.O.P., like many municipal departments do ?



Posted by: Kilvinsky

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Originally Posted by celticsfan View Post
University of Phoenix--Department of Very Special Police
How is it they got a stadium, but no football team?

Loyal, Boston and Worcester I know are running Active Shooter training for everyone in their areas and some college/university departments are building on the first basic class with in-house stuff.

It should be statewide and uniform, but baby steps are at least a good start.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JP64 View Post
Acording to the University of the Pacific PD's website:

"Pacific is only one of two private universities in California whose officers have full police officer powers. Pursuant to a memorandum of understanding with the City of Stockton and the Stockton Police Department, Pacific officers receive and maintain state-mandated training standards. Though they are able to use their police officer powers off campus, their main jurisdiction is the Stockton campus."

The opther appears to be Stanford University:

"Stanford Deputy Sheriffs derive their peace officer powers through an agreement between Stanford University and the Sheriff of Santa Clara County. While on-duty, Stanford deputies have full law enforcement powers to make arrests, enforce all applicable federal, state, and local laws and provide any other law enforcement services pursuant to section 830.6 of the California Penal Code. The training received by Stanford deputies meets California State standards for full-function Peace Officers. The training program includes twenty-four (24) weeks of police academy training, and a minimum of sixteen (16) weeks of supervised field training, followed by a continuous regimen of inservice, specialty, and advanced training."

Looks like for Private institutions, CA is tough for PD's, but for State institutions they are nuts. Hell, some of them even have fulltime FD's...not that we care about them.
If you read the University of San Francisco web site (when they're hiring, check out the qualification requirements) and the USC sites both clearly indicate that they too have powers and like I had said, I got a pic from the mid 80s of USF guys and they're armed.



Posted by: Loyal

Any estimate on the percent of campus police that carry in Massachusetts ?
I know of some private and state colleges that do, are they the minority ?
What reason is given for your department not being armed ?



Posted by: csauce777

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilvinsky View Post
csauce, nice research. I know as far as the state schools go, they're at the top of the field, but private-wise, they're mostly security with the 'power to detain' and hardly any private schools have firearms. I know UofSF is progressive as hell (I've got a photo of a bunch of those guys from the early 80s, armed back then and everything) as is USC. The private schools are very professional, but lack the powers and equipment that even in Mass. is available, though not issued often enough.

You did a hell of a job on that list and it's obvious you know what you're talking about.
Thanks...copy and paste works wonders....and I dont know what I'm talking about...just a good BS artist...



Posted by: Kilvinsky

There's two kinds of BS:

The type that helps you do your job out on the street, like when you make up some chapter and section that you're going to lock some dipstick up for if he doesn't walk away.

Then there's the type that the administration shoves down your throat that makes NO sense, but they feel good about it and since they don't have to deal with it, only YOU do, it's wonderful.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loyal View Post
Any estimate on the percent of campus police that carry in Massachusetts ?
I know of some private and state colleges that do, are they the minority ?
What reason is given for your department not being armed ?

That's a great question. Since more schools are going armed these days, it's tough to say what the actual percentage is. It's nice to dream that someday, at least 95% will be, if not the ideal 100%.





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