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Posted by: dsm290

Does anyone know exactly or have an idea on what Hanscom plans to do with the new DoD Police on the Hanscom Air Force Base? Are they taking over Police operations instead of the Air Force MP's? or are they going to be gate access personnel only? USAJOBS has several postings for DoD Police (0083) personnel positions for Hanscom AFB and Westover AFB. I was just curious to know what the overall plans are.

Posted by: mpd61

In recent years the AF seemed to be doing something "unique" with their Civilian Police, in that they were trying to get them rolled into the Reserves. I'm not sure but think they wanted get a quick influx of bodies to deploy overseas? In any event, they sure operate different than the army/navy guys it seems.

Posted by: chief

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsm290

Does anyone know exactly or have an idea on what Hanscom plans to do with the new DoD Police on the Hanscom Air Force Base? Are they taking over Police operations instead of the Air Force MP's? or are they going to be gate access personnel only? USAJOBS has several postings for DoD Police (0083) personnel positions for Hanscom AFB and Westover AFB. I was just curious to know what the overall plans are.

I heard they will be Handling Access Control until Air force Mps leave. Any
more questions feel free to Send them. Go Back to sleep Smd

Posted by: Inspector71

Quote:

Originally Posted by chief

I heard they will be Handling Access Control until Air force Mps leave.

Okay so if they "willl be Handling Access Control until Air force Mps leave" then who the hell will do it then? Are you saying they are now and always will be perimeter security? or will they take over inside and contract out the gates to contractors? Do you really know?

Posted by: dsm290

Quote:

Originally Posted by chief

I heard they will be Handling Access Control until Air force Mps leave. Any
more questions feel free to Send them. Go Back to sleep Smd

Hey Chief, instead of being a smarta$$, how about participating in this forum like an adult. I was inquiring about Hanscom AFB so that other interested people who may decide on there career objectives including myself to make an informed decision. I too have heard that DoD Police will be used as access control only, however, that may change and someone out here on MASSCOPS may have more information on the subject. So why don't YOU go back to sleep until you learn to grow up and then maybe reply later with a more mature response. Have a nice day!!

Posted by: CodeBlue1970

Did the job annoucncement end on usa jobs couldnt find anything posted

Posted by: DoD00

The job announcement did not end. It looks like there are only looking for Federal transfers, veterans, etc. If you are somehow connected to the federal system, answer yes at the bottom of the search job page and the posting will show.

Posted by: chief

Hey DSM, I think your M is upside down, Why dont you go back DSW selling
Womens shoes.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Enough of the bulls**t lets keep the thread on track

Posted by: CodeBlue1970

I have no idea where you see this job posted but i looked on the us jobs website and nothing..

Posted by: dsm290

CodeBlue, go to www.usajobs.opm.gov. then type in the search bar "Police Officer" and then scroll down to the state "MA" and hit search at the bottom. It should still be there. The Police jobs for Westover AFB are also still posted as well. Good luck

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsm290

CodeBlue, go to www.usajobs.opm.gov. then type in the search bar "Police Officer" and then scroll down to the state "MA" and hit search at the bottom. It should still be there. The Police jobs for Westover AFB are also still posted as well. Good luck

You need to indicate veteran's preference in order for the position to show up in search results.

Go to "Series Search", type in 0083 for series, then MA for location, then Search. Make sure you check the vet preference box.

Posted by: firefighter39

Right now there are no DOD police at HAFB. There are civilian contract (Pinkerton) gate guards and USAF Security POlice do the patrol work. Also, they rely very heavily on the local PD's (Lexington, Lincoln, Bedford).

It is a very different "military" base then most any of you have experienced. The majority of the people on base are civilians, there is a very small contigent of active duty there. Most of the base services (Fire, EMS, Public Works) are all civilian run

Posted by: martymar219

USAJobs Announcement Number:
AFPC174579GS00830505HW

Maybe this will help you guys, good luck!

Posted by: FAPD

Quote:

Originally Posted by firefighter39

It is a very different "military" base then most any of you have experienced. The majority of the people on base are civilians, there is a very small contigent of active duty there. Most of the base services (Fire, EMS, Public Works) are all civilian run

Yeah?
Well try the Army labs at Natick. Talk about civilans running amuck with little supervision! I heard the civilian managers there in garrison think they at the pentagon.

Posted by: martymar219

The Natick garrison thinks the base should be run like one of our great liberal colleges. No police, no security, and no accountability for ones actions. Just let people do whatever they want!

Posted by: AFCOP

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoD00

The job announcement did not end. It looks like there are only looking for Federal transfers, veterans, etc. If you are somehow connected to the federal system, answer yes at the bottom of the search job page and the posting will show.

Dont get too excited.... and read the announcement carefully they are filling vacancies worldwide along with firefighters, dispatchers and other positions... they also advertised a "detective" position at bases nation wide including Hanscom Otis and Westover....entry control and vehicle inspections are done by pinkerton gov. svs at Hanscom, and the LE mission is still conducted by the SFS there....

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFCOP

Quite right! the Navy does the same thing. they post GS083 police jobs for NAS Brunswick to Pearl Harbor Hawaii and everywhere in between. When the applications come in they establish a list, and IF (emphasis) a position(s) opens up then they use the list.

Bottom line...There may NEVER be any DoD police Jobs at Hanscomb

Posted by: martymar219

Thanks woodman for killing our hopes and dreams……..now what will we do!

Oh yeah, your new nickname is Debbie Downer!

Posted by: AFCOP

A better resource for checking any fed job at Hanscom or any other specific installation is the Air Force Personnel Center's web page.... http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil

Posted by: LikeIt223

Could that site be less user-friendly? Where do you find out where the jobs are?!

Posted by: martymar219

Usajobs.com

Posted by: billb

Quote:

Originally Posted by firefighter39

Right now there are no DOD police at HAFB. There are civilian contract (Pinkerton) gate guards and USAF Security POlice do the patrol work. Also, they rely very heavily on the local PD's (Lexington, Lincoln, Bedford).

The Air Force is attempting to retain it's LE for now... gate guards are currently contracted out as a short-term fix until DoD Guards can be hired. Lackland AFB in TX is running with DoD guards at the gates and Air Force Police conducting the LE work. Some other positions may go DoD but this varies from squadron to squadron. Soon security forces squadron will be a blend of DoD civilian and military so when the military members deploy there is still a trained body back at base that can be augmented with military reserves and so forth.

I wouldn't say hanscom rely's heavily on the local PD... we do have meorandums of agreement that allows us to contact the locals when it would make more sense to have civilians arrested and tried in a state court than in the federal magistrate. The memos exist, however, so we can be assured of a police response when we have to deploy high numbers of cops overseas.

Posted by: DoD102

USAJOBS under series search type 0083. They'll pop up. I believe that at your active duty bases, i.e. Hanscom, Lackland, MacDill etc, DoD will do all LE activities and contract security will do the gates. This will free up the SP's to deploy. I imagine from past experience, your reserve bases i.e Westover, Otis etc. you'll do it all. Flight line, gates, and what little patrol there might be.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by billb

The Air Force is attempting to retain it's LE for now... gate guards are currently contracted out as a short-term fix until DoD Guards can be hired. Lackland AFB in TX is running with DoD guards at the gates and Air Force Police conducting the LE work. .

For clarification, when you say DoD Guards are you referring to GS-085 Guards or GS-083 Police (being utilized as guards). What's your source?

Posted by: rokurmthr61

when did they stop giving out stickers for the cars?
i went down today to get a sticker for my new car and i waited at the hut for 20 mins for the airmen to say just show your id then i went to the pass and ID and i waited another 15 mins for them to say oh we don't give the stickers out!
when the f*ck did this happen?
and are they not giving out stickers?

Posted by: AFCOP

Quote:

Originally Posted by LikeIt223

Could that site be less user-friendly? Where do you find out where the jobs are?!

https://ww2.afpc.randolph.af.mil/res..._state_nlo.asp

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokurmthr61

when did they stop giving out stickers for the cars?
i went down today to get a sticker for my new car and i waited at the hut for 20 mins for the airmen to say just show your id then i went to the pass and ID and i waited another 15 mins for them to say oh we don't give the stickers out!
when the f*ck did this happen?
and are they not giving out stickers?

The AF stopped the stickers in the last few months......another money saving initiative by uncle sam.....

Posted by: rokurmthr61

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFCOP

https://ww2.afpc.randolph.af.mil/res..._state_nlo.asp

The AF stopped the stickers in the last few months......another money saving initiative by uncle sam.....

i thought you might have had a better excuss for that! oh yeah uncle sam is f*cking the people that protect is once again right in the ass!

Posted by: billb

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

For clarification, when you say DoD Guards are you referring to GS-085 Guards or GS-083 Police (being utilized as guards). What's your source?

DoD Guards. Hanscom is not hiring DoD Police Officers, they will be hiring DoD Guards.

My source is me... I'm on the hiring team.

Posted by: rokurmthr61

haha the resources on masscops! anyone want a job talk to that guy haha

Posted by: martymar219

Maybe you should tell your team they should post GS-0085 Guard positions instead of GS-0083 Police Officers.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by martymar219

Maybe you should tell your team they should post GS-0085 Guard positions instead of GS-0083 Police Officers.

Hee Hee!
You tell em MARTY!!!! Wait till OPM and the union find out!

Posted by: Mongo

Quote:

Originally Posted by martymar219

Maybe you should tell your team they should post GS-0085 Guard positions instead of GS-0083 Police Officers.

Awesome Avatar Marty.

Is he a good booooy!

Posted by: dsm290

Yet again, our hopes and dreams of upward mobility goes down in flames. Nothing like false advertisement from good ol' uncle sam.

Posted by: billb

It depends on which position descriptions got accepted. We asked for all our positions to be coded as LE and we were told no... only the supervisor position(s) will be coded LE.

There will be LE positions that open up at Hanscom but in the early stages but these will be recruiting certain skill sets. I would bet on Criminal Investigator and Trainer/Training Manager type positions opening up in the next few years.

Posted by: Inspector71

Quote:

Originally Posted by billb

It depends on which position descriptions got accepted. We asked for all our positions to be coded as LE and we were told no... only the supervisor position(s) will be coded LE.

There will be LE positions that open up at Hanscom but in the early stages but these will be recruiting certain skill sets. I would bet on Criminal Investigator and Trainer/Training Manager type positions opening up in the next few years.

Are you a tool? "coded L.E." What the hell do you mean? Talk in 085 vs 083 or AF Reserve positions or whatever you mean specifically. "Next few Years"
Again, WTF dude?

Posted by: dsm290

I'm totally confused. Maybe billb has guys he knows that he wants in, so confuse everyone else so that they don't stand a chance. I could be wrong, but sounds like politics again.....fishy, fishy, fishy!!!!!

Posted by: martymar219

In the defense of BILLB, It doesn’t take much to confuse DSM290……..LOL

Posted by: dsm290

Love you too Marty....

...now back to the issue at hand. Let's get some clarification about this whole hanscom hiring DoD Guards / Police issue.

Posted by: 2122

anyone know about Goodfellow AFB going DOD in Oct 08? working as security guard there now but can't get anyone to give any details on GS positions just that we need to pass the PAT

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2122

anyone know about Goodfellow AFB going DOD in Oct 08? working as security guard there now but can't get anyone to give any details on GS positions just that we need to pass the PAT

1. Perhaps somebody in the West Texas area around you would be more cognizant than us poor people back east. (Try Texcops)

2. Doesn't the AF require their GS-0083's to become reservists?

Posted by: 2122

tried to get info from the inside but everything seems under the table. Under emergency hire but seems only temp positions. I think they will try to hire us as GS85 but want to work us GS83 without the pay

Posted by: martymar219

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2122

I think they will try to hire us as GS85 but want to work us GS83 without the pay

Yeah, thats never happen before!......LOL

Posted by: mpd61

I heard that they're thinking of putting Texas Rangers on the gate with you guys!

Posted by: billb

The civilian positions at Hanscom are in limbo... AF wants to hire mostly Guards while Hanscom wants to hire Police Officers. The project just got put on the back burner for now but may begin to gain traction next year.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by billb

The civilian positions at Hanscom are in limbo... AF wants to hire mostly Guards while Hanscom wants to hire Police Officers. The project just got put on the back burner for now but may begin to gain traction next year.

Thanks for the update!
Just confirms what was said earlier, Forget about any DoD Police Jobs at Hanscom.

Posted by: billb

DoD will happen at Hanscom, however they are going to concentrate on larger bases first. The Air Force will not continue with contract guards at Air Force Bases much longer... it was a stop-gap decision to free up military members to deploy. The contractors will be replaced by DoD eventually. The contract guards will be replaced by DoD Guards and a sprinkling of DoD Police serving in supervisory positions over the guards.
More positions will be opening up in the future although unrelated to the Gate Guard issue.

I will update as information changes.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by billb

DoD will happen at Hanscom

I will update as information changes.

Thank-You,

Perhaps you should see an AF Psychologist about these dreams that you call "updates". Maybe you can get something from the V.A. in the way of a monthly check (if you're a veteran)

Posted by: billb

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

Thank-You,

Perhaps you should see an AF Psychologist about these dreams that you call "updates". Maybe you can get something from the V.A. in the way of a monthly check (if you're a veteran)

I have cemented my veteran status on more than a few occasions thank you, however, my "updates" come from the position of an active duty Air Force cop at Hanscom who is in a position that will have oversight of the transition.

I see in your profile that you are a Police Officer, it does not say where... I do not understand your interest in DoD at Hanscom unless you are hoping to get on there in the future.

If you are hoping to get on then I assume you are not a municipal police officer or state trooper. If this is the case I recommend you take any and all educational opportunities so you will become more competitive when the next opportunity to get on a real department opens up. If and when DoD positions open up at Hanscom you may be eating too much crow to conduct a proper interview.

If you are indeed a municipal or state officer then I do not understand your interest in being a sarcastic ass about a situation you are completely ignorant.

Either way... you can kiss my ass.

Posted by: Inspector71

Quote:

Originally Posted by billb

I my "updates" come from the position of an active duty Air Force cop at Hanscom who is in a position that will have oversight of the transition.

.

Yeah! you seem to be in a unique postion talking about what the "Air Force" wants to do versus what "Hanscom" wants to do. Are you an active duty O-4 or above? Is Hanscom your permanent station? You direct the GS and SES civilians in their decisons? Get back to us soon.
BTW when are you due to retire?

MPD,
Don't worry about his childish tirades, he's just a fly-boy gate guard.

Posted by: Delta784

Jesus Christ.......if you're interested in a position at Hanscom, then you should be grateful there's someone supplying inside information. If you're not, then shut the hell up about it already!!!

Posted by: billb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inspector71

Wow. My "childish tirade" was a response to a sarcastic response to my post. I am not a "fly-boy gate guard", thanks. I am about 6 years shy of retirment eligibility. No I am not an O-4... I am a project team member who wrote portions of the transition plan. As far as "Hanscom vs. Air Force" my perspective is, again, as part of the project team and know that Hanscom is trying to get approval and funding to hire using the Police Officer job description as opposed to the Guard description so we can pay more in wages to the individual.

This thread was started because somebody asked... I knew the answer and responded. You and your pals seem to have a bone to pick with my posts... how about you find another thread to haunt so folks that actuall have an interest in the right answer don't have to wade through your bullshit.

Posted by: kwflatbed

It seems like a couple of gate guards in Natick are just jealous.

natick.army.mil

Posted by: FAPD

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwflatbed

It seems like a couple of gate guards in Natick are just jealous.

natick.army.mil

Yeah Harry! You're such a great detective. I know you too!:

westport.civilian.geriatric&senile.net

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