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Main Page Keeping your Duty Weapon Hot
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Posted by: CJIS

I wondering what the general habit was for the folks around here. I have heard different reasons for keeping it hot and not.

Posted by: mikemac64

You will be wasting precious seconds if you have to jack a round. As long as you don't screw around with your gun it won't "accidentally" fire.

Posted by: devilcop76

I wouldn't think of carrying around a weapon without having one in the chamber and ready to go. You will not have time to rack that slide and make it hot if the time comes when you really need it.

However, I do work with some guys who actually patrol without a round in the chamber. Their reasons are varied, but mostly because they are nervous about carrying around a hot weapon

Posted by: OCKS

Our department just started checking weapons to make sure that weapons are hot.
If you are on duty, weapons should be ready to go, the way you train is the way you will act when the shit hits the fan.

Posted by: kwflatbed

It would serve no good to have a cold weapon when needed in a split second decision where your life depends on it.

Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

It's the same as carrying an unloaded weapon...just gives you a 2 lb rock to throw at someone. Years ago I did some schools with Israel's and they all carried on an empty chamber but they practiced ALOT almost to the point they were as fast as drawing a hot weapon.

Posted by: lawdog671

I had heard issues similar to this when PD's were questioning hammer cocked in holster or not...but if you're not training to draw from the holster, chamber a round, and engage your target....I'll take out my class A's for another cop funeral...
not trying to be a d**k but the bad guys already got most of us outgunned already and the very distinct advantage of knowing when they will attack us, rising to the level of us employing deadly force...why put yourself behind the "8 ball" by not only having to outdraw under these circumstances, but even if you do then having to chamber a round???
Use good tactics, be prepared and win every time.....if you're afraid to carry a hot weapon...change jobs because I have this terrible feeling you're the same guy that won't back me up in a fist fight either....my two cents

Posted by: PaulKersey

Carrying hot should be department policy.

There should be routine gun inspections to insure it.

Posted by: kojack1

I would never carry any weapon cold, especially my duty weapon

Posted by: PearlOnyx

"Hold on Mr. Badguy, let me load my weapon before we start shooting". I can see it now. I know people do it, but it's so foolish.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

hot!!!!!

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by devilcop76

However, I do work with some guys who actually patrol without a round in the chamber. Their reasons are varied, but mostly because they are nervous about carrying around a hot weapon

Then they should have become firemen. HOT ALWAYS

Posted by: Killjoy

Carrying an unchambered pistol is stupid and dangerous. If you do happen to carry an unchambered pistol, make sure to ask the bad guy to give you enough time to prepare if you get into a gunfight.

Posted by: ninety_four_c

I actually carry my duty weapon in the pistol box that it came in with a lock on it. I store it in my "go bag" next to me in the cruiser. I keep 50 rounds of Winchester Ranger SXT's locked in the trunk. My empty magazines are stored in the glove box. I'm really fast, so when I have a "hot call" I can equip myself with all my "tools of ignorance" within 10 seconds!!!

If you would like me to train you in this progressive technique PM me

Posted by: 94c

If you're afraid to carry a loaded gun then, the Fire Department is always hiring...

Posted by: HiredGoon

Sig 226 DAK...no de-cock, no safety. Carried hot. Dept. Policy. Safety means not applying 6 lbs of trigger pull with my right index finger, and keeping it along the side of the frame until needed.

Posted by: CJIS

Good to see a general consensus

Posted by: Delta784

There are very few things more useless in life than an unloaded gun.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by devilcop76

I wouldn't think of carrying around a weapon without having one in the chamber and ready to go. You will not have time to rack that slide and make it hot if the time comes when you really need it.

However, I do work with some guys who actually patrol without a round in the chamber. Their reasons are varied, but mostly because they are nervous about carrying around a hot weapon

R-E-T-I-R-E

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Originally Posted by Delta784

There are very few things more useless in life than an unloaded gun.

How about a supervisor that's never actually done the job he's supervising? We have a few of those.

Posted by: Thimios315

+1 on carrying with one in the hole; as trained.

I came across a former co-worker once who thought her magazines weighed too much and decided to leave 5 rounds in each one of her magazines instead of 13...INCLUDING HER PRIMARY!

Thankfully, she changed careers many moons ago...

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by bbelichick

How about a supervisor that's never actually done the job he's supervising? We have a few of those.

So do we....we call one of them "chief".

Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

"I came across a former co-worker once who thought her magazines weighed too much and decided to leave 5 rounds in each one of her magazines instead of 13...INCLUDING HER PRIMARY!"

Posted by: mr.anttrax

One in the chamber...period. You have one split second for the rest of your life. There are no re dos!

Posted by: rg1283

Unless your Barney Fife and carry a single bullet in you pocket, your retarded for not carrying you gun hot.

Posted by: Xaque

It blows my mind that someone would choose to carrey their firearm unloaded.

Does this really happen?!

Holy moley.

-Zack

Posted by: mpd61

On a related note:

Is there anybody out there at all mandated to carry with an empty chamber?
I don't imagine there would be, but just curious, some poor group might be in such an unenviable and dangerous situation.

Posted by: Barbrady

We are mandated to carry racked and ready. Kind of scary that this needed to be spelled out in a policy...

Posted by: 263FPD

Why is this even a question? Don't know about any one else here but our firearms unit makes this a requirement.

Posted by: AbleOne

Don't bring an unloaded gun to a gun fight.

Posted by: Tuna

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Originally Posted by mpd61

On a related note:

Is there anybody out there at all mandated to carry with an empty chamber?
I don't imagine there would be, but just curious, some poor group might be in such an unenviable and dangerous situation.

We always carry the side arm hot. The Rem 870 is cruiser loaded, 4 in the tube none in the pipe. The only problem I have with carrying is they make me check the weapon in a lock box when I go to court. I wonder if my 870 will fit in their lock box.

Posted by: pahapoika

have met some transportation guys that leave their gun unloaded. the thinking being they are handling inmates all day and more likely to get shot with their own gun.

not the wisest thing , but it does happen.

Posted by: Xaque

Quote:

Originally Posted by pahapoika

have met some transportation guys that leave their gun unloaded. the thinking being they are handling inmates all day and more likely to get shot with their own gun.

not the wisest thing , but it does happen.

I feel that's like saying:

"I don't need to watch for other traffic or obey MV law when I drive... I have an airbag and seatbelt incase something happens."

-Zack

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by Tuna

Do you work for the Environmental Police?

Posted by: Tuna

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

Do you work for the Environmental Police?

YES, and I'm pissed about this BS.

Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

Hey Tuna...start carrying an M-4

let em try and secure that!

Posted by: LA Copper

Maybe some of the folks who don't carry "hot" think they're in the movies and want to chamber a round when they arrive at a call or stop a suspect, just like all the big stars do.

I can't believe that in 2008, this is even an issue. If not being "hot" was a department policy, this would be one policy I would have to violate.

If anyone here knows officers who don't carry "hot," send them my way and I'll introduce them to a Blood, Crip, or MS gangster who will set them straight.

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