Originally Posted by afd414

clear is not a color

Originally Posted by afd414

clear is not a color

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Clear may not be a color, but I bet a cop could convince a clerk or judge that white is.

Originally Posted by TacticalResponseCorp

I want each of you to understand that the security industry we originate from in FL allows us to do many things that are not acceptable in MA. Such as, carry a LE issue Tazer, carry 9MM with simple background check and a certified course, perform a traffic stop on private property (the complexes we patrol), detain individuals to verify residency and extend a detention if a trespass warning will be issued.

That is why I posted on this forum, to get insight and knowledge from all of you that have experience with these laws and regulations. Of course we are in contact with the RMV and both local and state police to make sure we are compliant with all the laws, but there is no harm in seeking additional information.

Originally Posted by Kem25

clear/white.... who cares? I would like to think that most officers have better things to do with their time than worry about issuing citations for light violations. Now I am all for sticking it to the whacker with more lights than my cruiser but no way am I going to target security vehicles. However I would be willing to bet the person who started this post probably has hidden LED lights all over his vehicle.

Originally Posted by sammy269

I did not nor intend to gig the Town vehicles for the lights. The sanders on the State Hwy, yes. I went to the State DPW and got their regs, and it specifically states, "minimum 6" Amber lights or Amber Rotating lights mounted front and rear." I went to the company and explained what had happened, showed them the regulation and agreement they signed with the State, and was told that in order to change the red and white lenses to yellow, would cost about $20.00/truck and that was too expensive and not cost effective. So, they got gigged the next time I saw them. The State engineer was in agreement with me as he had tried to get them to change. He would like to get them off the list, but there are no companies waiting to join the list to replace them. I think it would probably be a bit more than 20 bucks per truck, more like $50, but its still better than the fines. They are just lazy. Thats my pet peeve along with construction machines plowing parking lots and streets w/o being registered. They argue that the roads have to be cleared, I say, register the vehicles first.
OH, and I do not work details for the Town. I did once about 4 yrs ago, and almost locked up the Town Manager for holding him up in traffic for a paving job, and he was late to get back to the office after lunch. Like I knew what he drove and was supposed to give him special treatment. When he went back to the Town Hall he was complaining to the people there about what happened and they told him that he should have been arrested. I later found out that they wish I did lock him up.

clear/white.... who cares? I also think that you would care because if I am chasing red and white flashing lights, in a snowstorm, trying to get to an accident, and you or a family member were in that accident, you would want me with the fire department, not chasing sanders. Not sure where you patrol, but the highways do not have street lights to help out. Its extremely dark and blinding in snow. Sometimes we only have the lights of the vehicle in front of us as a reference and follow them to try and stay on the road. So, when we get a call of an accident "somewhere between exits 2 & 6 because I could not see any signs," thats a lot of area to cover. The fire department may have gotten a different location or one thats narrowed down,so we follow them, plus we can stay in their tracks. Amber lets us know its not the FD. See the reasoning now?

Originally Posted by coldsteel

WOW pal where the fuck do you work? You need help buddy...

Originally Posted by sammy269

Why,because I do my job? I gave them a break and then they shit on my boots. Would you rather I look the other way? I don't think so. It is a law, isn't it? Or is it beneath you to do MV work? How about inspection stickers or plate light violations? They are minor. Unless, you want me to answer house alarms every thunderstorm or handle barking dog complaints all night. That, I will leave for you. I have been around a long time and am old school. I don't take crap and don't give a shit.

Originally Posted by Delta784

If you've been around a long time, then surely you know it's never as easy as "It is a law, isn't it?". If I stopped every car for every violation I saw I'd be tied up on traffic stops all night and the other guys in my area would be ready to lynch me after taking my calls.

And by the way....we had a house alarm the other night which was actually an armed home invasion. If you've been around a long time, then surely you know to never treat any call as routine.

Originally Posted by sammy269

We all have our jobs. Yes, I have been around a long time and never treat every call as routine. My job is primarily MV, so that is what we do. MV stops are 90% of our job. I stop as many cars as I can, every shift. I can guarantee with 10000% certainty, that more arrests have been made by a simple MV stop, than with a burglar alarm sounding. Many moons ago, I used to answer alarm calls and did find a few that were actually a true alarm. The majority were during thunderstorms and were false, and just runarounds where you answer the same call 3-4 times a night. Been there, done that. If guys are getting pissed if you did more MV stops, we are on 2 different jobs. I'll stick with mine.

Originally Posted by sammy269

My job isn't primarily motor vehicle stops, and that's how I like it. Just last night I was behind a car with a burned-out taillight when a call came in for my sector for a violation of a 209A order. If I had stopped that car someone else in my area would have gotten stuck with the 2+ hour report, and I don't go for that.

If I wanted to be a traffic Nazi and stop cars all night, I could certainly do that. However, that wouldn't do much for my popularity with my co-workers.

Thats the difference between our jobs; Mine is pro-active and yours is re-active. If I had wanted to sit around and play games on my MDT, and wait for a call, I would have been a Fireman. I used to do your job 26 yrs ago, but I graduated then to a "traffic Nazi." You cannot be that busy to take a few seconds out on a car stop to determine if a further investigation is required or just a verbal warning and adios. For the most part, we work with a desk and 2 patrols, and cover a far larger area than Quincy. Nobody complains about getting stuck with a call. Sometimes you get the bear, other times the bear gets you. I used to patrol Quincy 26 yrs ago, and it has not changed much. I dealt with the parents of the kids you are dealing with.

Originally Posted by sammy269

I used to patrol Quincy 26 yrs ago, and it has not changed much. I dealt with the parents of the kids you are dealing with.

Originally Posted by Delta784

If I wanted to be a traffic Nazi and stop cars all night, I could certainly do that. However, that wouldn't do much for my popularity with my co-workers.