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Ex-speaker and radio talk host lobbying for state police union

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Posted by: kwflatbed

BOSTON -- Former House Speaker Thomas Finneran has formed a lobbying firm and his first client is the union representing state police troopers.
Finneran, who also hosts a daily talk show on WRKO-AM, pleaded guilty last year to a federal obstruction of justice charge and was later disbarred.
The president of the State Police Association of Massachusetts, Rick Brown, told The Boston Globe that he's not concerned about the ex-speaker's criminal record.
Brown says the union isn't hiring Finneran to be a trooper, but to "walk the hallways of the Statehouse."
Finneran says he has no intention of giving up his talk show, which has been languishing in the ratings.
He says he and former law partner James Byrne are seeking other clients to represent on Beacon Hill.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO72001/



Posted by: Delta784

When dealing with politicians, you really can't be too concerned with ethics. SPAM probably couldn't have picked a better lobbyist for Beacon Hill; good for them.



Posted by: Truck

I guess "Whitey" was not available.



Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by Truck View Post
I guess "Whitey" was not available.
Are you claiming Finneran is somehow tied to Whitey Bulger? Or that Finneran's charge is somehow the equivalent of being a serial murder, a la Whitey?



Posted by: coloneltruth

A felon and a disbarred lawyer. There is NO good reason why any law enforcement union would hire a felon for anything. Kevin Weeks is looking for a job, why doesn't SPAM hire him as a driver for Thomas Finneran.



Posted by: Sniper

ahhhhhh. and all the low post counts come out of the woodwork.



Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
A felon and a disbarred lawyer. There is NO good reason why any law enforcement union would hire a felon for anything. Kevin Weeks is looking for a job, why doesn't SPAM hire him as a driver for Thomas Finneran.
SPAM wants someone to lobby POLITICIANS.....do you think they really care if Finneran is a disbarred convicted felon? They like to deal with their own kind.



Posted by: Killjoy

I wouldn't care if SPAM hired satan himself...provided he represents his clients well.



Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by Delta784 View Post
SPAM wants someone to lobby POLITICIANS.....do you think they really care if Finneran is a disbarred convicted felon? They like to deal with their own kind.
Agreed. As long as he gets the job done, in the end, who cares.

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
A felon and a disbarred lawyer. There is NO good reason why any law enforcement union would hire a felon for anything. Kevin Weeks is looking for a job, why doesn't SPAM hire him as a driver for Thomas Finneran.
Spoken like someone who has never been involved with a real union and has never had to deal with the legislature.

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Originally Posted by Killjoy View Post
I wouldn't care if SPAM hired satan himself...provided he represents his clients well.
Actually, Satan interviewed but Finneran's presentation blew him out of the water.



Posted by: PaulKersey

Really guys, how can you compare a sleazy politician to ruthless killers?
Most politicians would've done, and have done the same things he did.
I'm sure he knows the ropes in the lobbying game.



Posted by: 94c

You know Howie Carr is going to have fun with this one.
He just loves Tommy Taxes.



Posted by: coloneltruth

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Originally Posted by Sniper View Post
ahhhhhh. and all the low post counts come out of the woodwork.
So you are of the opinion that because I am a new member with a low post number that my statement is somehow wrong?

I've been a union member and a rep in my area for many years. I'll just wait for SPAM to either fire him or he resigns. I give him less then a year.



Posted by: Sniper

Actually I am of the opinion that your member name is similar in nature to many before you who create accounts just to stir the pot and say things they dont have the BALLS to say normally.......... That's all. If you are legit, I owe you an apology. If not........ I will be right as usual.



Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
So you are of the opinion that because I am a new member with a low post number that my statement is somehow wrong?

I've been a union member and a rep in my area for many years. I'll just wait for SPAM to either fire him or he resigns. I give him less then a year.
Well, so far both posts on this matter tell me you have no f-ing clue what you are talking about.

The guy has more juice than any lobbyist in the commonwealth...why would SPAM fire him?



Posted by: coloneltruth

When you are out, you're out. Especially when you're a convicted felon and disbarred lawyer. That's one of the problems with the SP, they never admit to making any mistakes. But you keep defending the undefendable, you have so much practice at it.

If he has so much "juice" how was he found guilty and then disbarred? He can't save his own butt, what do you think he'll do for SPAM?

Like I said less then a year and then gone.



Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
When you are out, you're out. Especially when you're a convicted felon and disbarred lawyer. That's one of the problems with the SP, they never admit to making any mistakes. But you keep defending the undefendable, you have so much practice at it.

If he has so much "juice" how was he found guilty and then disbarred? He can't save his own butt, what do you think he'll do for SPAM?

Like I said less then a year and then gone.
OK, "Union Expert".

I guess the fact that many current Reps & Senators have praised the hire and are happy about it means he will be ineffective? Can his relationship with Speaker DiMasi be easily discounted?

As far as his influence staving off a conviction, you cannot be that stupid.

Face it, you have no clue what you are talking about. If you truly are a union rep for your department, I feel bad for your guys. They are getting piss poor representation because you have no knowledge base.



Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
When you are out, you're out. Especially when you're a convicted felon and disbarred lawyer. That's one of the problems with the SP, they never admit to making any mistakes. But you keep defending the undefendable, you have so much practice at it.

If he has so much "juice" how was he found guilty and then disbarred? He can't save his own butt, what do you think he'll do for SPAM?

Like I said less then a year and then gone.
Bill Clinton was disbarred, politicians and lawyers still listen to him and he can raise money like nobody else. So your argument is even weaker than I thought.



Posted by: j809

I think the Colonel works with you guys BB.



Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by j809 View Post
I think the Colonel works with you guys BB.
No, he definitely does not.



Posted by: PBC FL Cop

One can understand why SPAM would hire Finneran based on his influence at the state house, however for an image conscious agency, it's surprising they would choose a convicted felon to represent their union.



Posted by: bbelichick

After the 2000 U.S. census, in 2001 the House, under Finneran's leadership, drew up new House districts. The redistricting was challenged in Federal court, in a civil case, by the Black Political Task Force and others, as unfair to minority voters by constructing districts intended to favor white incumbents to the detriment of candidates preferred by blacks. In 2004, a three-judge Federal Court panel held that the redistricting plan violated section 2 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 by discriminating against black voters. It held that 17 Massachusetts House districts were enjoined from being used in the 2004 election, that the legislature was given six weeks to create an acceptable plan for the districts, and the plantiff Black Political Task Force could comment on proposed districts before being approved by the Court.[4][5] In a footnote to the decision, the court criticized Finneran, implying that Finneran had misled the court when he testified that he had little involvement in the redistricting process. The court said "Although Speaker Finneran denied any involvement in the redistrcting process, the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests the opposite conclusion." Finneran's attorney, Egbert, claimed that the statement was "simply wrong." (Under state law and House rules, Finneran was free to participate in drafting the legislative map before it was released.) Federal prosecutors indicted Finneran in June 2005 in a criminal case, charging him with perjury and obstruction of justice for misrepresenting his participation in the redistricting process. The indictment cited eight meetings that he held about redistricting.

The plea agreement documents show Finneran admits to making false and misleading statements while testifying under oath about whether he had seen and reviewed a redistricting plan before it was filed with the clerk of the House of Representatives. In a transcript of his testimony, Finneran repeatedly denied seeing the plan until it was filed with the House clerk, when all members of the House see the plan.

99% of politicians could be convicted felons based on this decision by the Prosecutors. Anyone who was around at this time knows it was a railroad job.



Posted by: lawdog671

Actually, Satan interviewed but Finneran's presentation blew him out of the water.

Satan didn't have much in the way of a PowerPoint which hurt his chances I think...

My understanding, although I could be mistaken, is the guy isnt being hired to represent the agency, he's representing the union members of SPAM. You think he'll be done in a year? So be it. I think that as a union, and as SINE put it, look at what Clinton is able to continually do, having been disbarred and almost impeached. People will forget about it in a month and then his contacts up there will be unmatched. Aren't the liberals always saying that just because he's a con doesn't mean he can't get another chance? So either way we're damned if we do, damned if we don't.



Posted by: coloneltruth

Thank you for bringing Bill Clinton into the discussion. Another disgraced, disbarred has been. He sure is doing wonders for Hillary in 08!

For every rep that still likes Tommy and will carry his water for him there is 2 or 3 other reps that Tommy burned over the years. They had to take it from him when he was speaker, now they will get their payback.

I guess there is nothing in your R&R against consorting with known criminals.



Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
I guess there is nothing in your R&R against consorting with known criminals.
Department rules and regs don't apply to a labor union.

If you're a SPAM member, take it up with the leadership. If you're not, why the hell do you care so much?



Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
I've been a union member and a rep in my area for many years.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784 View Post
Department rules and regs don't apply to a labor union.
As a union member and rep you would think he would know that.



Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
Thank you for bringing Bill Clinton into the discussion. Another disgraced, disbarred has been. He sure is doing wonders for Hillary in 08!

For every rep that still likes Tommy and will carry his water for him there is 2 or 3 other reps that Tommy burned over the years. They had to take it from him when he was speaker, now they will get their payback.

I guess there is nothing in your R&R against consorting with known criminals.
Rules & Regs? How does that apply to SPAM?

Once again, you show your ignorance and incompetence.

Believe me guys, he certainly is no SPAM member...and I doubt he is involved in a major union either. Maybe the Kentucky Fried Chicken Workers Local.



Posted by: Wolfman

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
I've been a union member and a rep in my area for many years.
*Snort* yeah, maybe a "civil" union member...
-1 rep points for being a douche before your fifth post.



Posted by: coloneltruth

Great idea attack my views and opinions with statements calling me "ignorance and incompetence" and a "douche" then using your position as a moderator to give me bad rep points.

Less then a year and he'll be gone. But he'll have a pocket full of your dues money when he leaves. Make sure to smile and wave when he walks out because he has so much "juice"!

Smash away, but SPAM has made a major mistake.



Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
Smash away, but SPAM has made a major mistake.
Again......why do you care?



Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
Great idea attack my views and opinions with statements calling me "ignorance and incompetence" and a "douche" then using your position as a moderator to give me bad rep points.

Less then a year and he'll be gone. But he'll have a pocket full of your dues money when he leaves. Make sure to smile and wave when he walks out because he has so much "juice"!

Smash away, but SPAM has made a major mistake.
Well, I should listen to you, what with your experience involved in a union representing over 2,000 people...oh, wait. You're just an idiot with no clue. Carry on...



Posted by: coloneltruth

and you and your experienced SPAM members supported who for Governor recently? Now Tommy Taxes, what's next hiring OJ?

Less then a year and he'll be gone with a ton of dues money.



Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
and you and your experienced SPAM members supported who for Governor recently?
Kerry Healey, who pledged to protect the Quinn Bill.

Quote:
Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
Less then a year and he'll be gone with a ton of dues money.
WHY DO YOU CARE?????



Posted by: Wolfman

-1 more for being ignorant. Any one can provide rep points, not just mods. Idiot.

This is getting fun.



Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
and you and your experienced SPAM members supported who for Governor recently? Now Tommy Taxes, what's next hiring OJ?

Less then a year and he'll be gone with a ton of dues money.
Hilarious. So you were a Deval supporter? How telling.

As Delta says, Healey had a lot to do with Mass still having the Quinn Bill.

Quit your moronic bleating and continue running whatever pathetic union you belong to into the ground.



Posted by: kwflatbed

Anyone in law enforcement if you are coloneltruth, that supported Duval is an IDIOT he is a useless piece of crap.



Posted by: coloneltruth

Sorry about not knowing about reputation points. So because you disagree with my statements you use those points to "damage" my Masscops online reputation. Gee, you hurt my online feelings. Just how old are you? I did that kind of stuff in grade school, before I grew up.

I did not vote for Deval Patrick. I knew he would be the worse Governor to happen to Massachusetts law enforcement since Calvin Coolidge. But SPAM has Tommy Taxes, so your membership is all set.




Posted by: Wolfman

Believe me, you're damaging your reputation all by yourself. You don't need my help.

-1 more for being a slow learner.



Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
SPAM has Tommy Taxes, so your membership is all set.
Thanks, I agree.

"Tommy Taxes", huh? So you're a Howie Carr drone? Nothing like parroting a guy with no stones like Howie, huh?



Posted by: coloneltruth

Howie Carr is widely read and listened to by many people, unlike you.

I'm not the slow learner on this subject, SPAM is. So give your kiddie bad rep points to yourselves. If you think Carr is going to let go of this you're foolish. Every step that Tommy takes, Carr will be bashing him in the print and radio media.

Too bad, so sad.



Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
Howie Carr is widely read and listened to by many people, unlike you.

I'm not the slow learner on this subject, SPAM is. So give your kiddie bad rep points to yourselves. If you think Carr is going to let go of this you're foolish. Every step that Tommy takes, Carr will be bashing him in the print and radio media.

Too bad, so sad.
Ohhh, no. Bag of wind Howie is going to talk about this. Who cares. The only opinions that matter are the Legislators, and they love the guy.

Slow learners? You wish whatever garbage union you belong to had the money to hire someone as good as Finneran.



Posted by: OCKS

Am I reading an ask a cop thread? Usally that is the funny threads.



Posted by: j809

Howie Carr had a piece on this today in the Herald.



Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by j809 View Post
Howie Carr had a piece on this today in the Herald.
Kind of funny that fat, disheveled bag of crap like Howie references doughnuts in his article.

I wish I had heard the cop=donuts joke before, that's some groundbreaking funny stuff. He's probably eaten more doughnuts this week than any cop I know has eaten in their lives.

He's a hack, too..just a different kind of hack than the ones he rails against.



Posted by: PaulKersey

What's funny about Carr, is that he talks tough about all these mobsters, but he never said a word about Whitey until he fled, or any of the other guys-Weaks, Salemme etc. until they were in jail, or making deals with the feds.



Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by bbelichick View Post
Slow learners? You wish whatever garbage union you belong to had the money to hire someone as good as Finneran.
Not to be picky, but I believe they're called sanitation engineers.



Posted by: masscopk9

Howie is a wife beater, domestic abuser. Lives in a glass house!



Posted by: Wolfman

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Originally Posted by masscopk9 View Post
Howie is a wife beater, domestic abuser. Lives in a glass house!
...and apparently coloneltruth keeps a laminated picture of him and a box of Kleenex on his bedside table...



Posted by: coloneltruth

Good idea, none of you know me, but you insult me. Several of you attack Howie Carr. But at the end of the day a law enforcement union has hired a felon and disbarred lawyer to lobby for them. Give me a few more bad rep points maybe that will take the taste out of your collective mouths that Tommy blew in there after he signed the lobbyist agreement.

"There's a sucker born every minute"

So keep your dues up to date suckers, Tommy needs a winter get away home.



Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:
Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
Good idea, none of you know me, but you insult me. Several of you attack Howie Carr. But at the end of the day a law enforcement union has hired a felon and disbarred lawyer to lobby for them. Give me a few more bad rep points maybe that will take the taste out of your collective mouths that Tommy blew in there after he signed the lobbyist agreement.

"There's a sucker born every minute"

So keep your dues up to date suckers, Tommy needs a winter get away home.
I'll pass on the advice from a moron that has no clue what he is talking about and gets all his info from flaming a**hole columnist/radio host.

I think you should just quietly back away to whatever sh*thole you came from and let the big boys make the real decisions.



Posted by: Sniper

Now I know NOTHING about this stuff other than what I read on here....... And you guys on the job all know so much about it. Even only knowing what I read here, I can tell this troll is ill-informed AND has ill-INTENT !!!!! Why do you care so much about who lobbies for their union ????? colonel truth, truthbetold, whoeverthefuck you are .........

Colonel, reading your ignorant rants is as pleasurable as jerking off with a handful of rusty thumbtacks and broken glass ............



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
Good idea, none of you know me, but you insult me. Several of you attack Howie Carr. But at the end of the day a law enforcement union has hired a felon and disbarred lawyer to lobby for them. Give me a few more bad rep points maybe that will take the taste out of your collective mouths that Tommy blew in there after he signed the lobbyist agreement.

"There's a sucker born every minute"

So keep your dues up to date suckers, Tommy needs a winter get away home.
WHY DO YOU CARE????



Posted by: coloneltruth

A while back SPAM tried to pork your department with an uncalled for endorsement for Mayor. You must have a short memory.

I care about appearances and having that POS lobbying only makes anything that LE union members want just more difficult to obtain.



Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
A while back SPAM tried to pork your department with an uncalled for endorsement for Mayor. You must have a short memory.
We did a little lobbying of our own and the person responsible for that endorsement, the President of SPAM, is now the former President of SPAM. That endorsement had nothing to do with the individual members.

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
I care about appearances and having that POS lobbying only makes anything that LE union members want just more difficult to obtain.
If the Knights of Columbus hired <insert controversial person here> as their lobbyist, I couldn't give a shit less. You know why?

Because I don't belong to the Knights of Columbus.

As I've said before; if you're a SPAM member, then take it up with the leadership. If you're not a member of SPAM, then please just shut the hell up.



Posted by: Sniper

Sounds to me like you wanted to be a trooper and couldn't make it onto the job...........

simonmallsecurity.com tell 'em sniper sent ya.



Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:
Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
I care about appearances and having that POS lobbying only makes anything that LE union members want just more difficult to obtain.
Really? Maybe for you. Having Finneran lobbying makes things a lot easier for SPAM.

Man, you truly are an idiot.



Posted by: Hb13

Wow this has been a really interesting thread to read.

I agree with everyone Coloneltruth in the fact that if you are not a member of SPAM then shut the fu*k up and stop posting. If you are (wich I doubt) then take it up with your troop union rep. (because judging by what I read so far you aren't one)
Or you could keep this going and give us all something to read thats pretty entertaining.

Sniper I was laughing all the way through the thread until I read this
"Colonel, reading your ignorant rants is as pleasurable as jerking off with a handful of rusty thumbtacks and broken glass ............'

Now I am still in a mild form of shock and horror of that thought.



Posted by: Killjoy

Conspiracy theory : colon-of-truth is actually a command staff member pissed off because SPAM got a first-class lobbyist.



Posted by: MM1799

coloneltruth; Send a PM to "youareadolt". He'll give you a shoulder to cry on.



Posted by: kwflatbed

Finneran Abandons Lobbying Firm Plans

Pressure From His Radio Station Led To Decision


BOSTON -- Radio talk show host and former House Speaker Thomas Finneran is abandoning his plan to set up a lobbying practice under pressure from his radio station.

The Boston Globe reported last week that Finneran, a morning host on WRKO-AM, had signed up two lobbying clients, including the State Police troopers' union.

Critics said representing special interests would compromise the integrity of Finneran's show, and the station eventually rejected his lobbying plans.

The Globe reports that Finneran decided he'd rather stay on the air than push the issue.

His show, "Finneran's Forum," often focuses on state politics and issues. The show has struggled in the ratings, but the station has said it's satisfied with Finneran's performance.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/poli...77/detail.html



Posted by: bbelichick

Don't believe everything you read.



Posted by: pahapoika

after picking winners with Weld , Cellucci and Romney i'd say the state cops know a thing about backing the right people.

only wish the DOC would hire Finneran too. anyone with a remote knowledge of the state house knows Finneran is the man.



Posted by: coloneltruth

You forgot about Kerry Healey, another great selection.

The Globe and the Herald have both reported that Finneran dropped SPAM like a red headed step child. I said less then a year and Tommy lasted less then 2 weeks. It's nice to be right, even with 50 weeks to spare.

Feel free to post your apologies below. That is if you have enough class to admit you're wrong.



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
You forgot about Kerry Healey, another great selection.

The Globe and the Herald have both reported that Finneran dropped SPAM like a red headed step child. I said less then a year and Tommy lasted less then 2 weeks. It's nice to be right, even with 50 weeks to spare.

Feel free to post your apologies below. That is if you have enough class to admit you're wrong.
Nothing like twisting the facts to support your outcome....Finneran dumped his whole lobbying company; it had nothing to do with SPAM and everything to do with WRKO sensing a conflict of interest with his radio gig.

You still haven't answered my question....why do you care so much? SPAM could hire Charles Manson for all I care, because it doesn't effect me one bit.



Posted by: coloneltruth

I answered your question back on post # 52. Feel free to review it.



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
I answered your question back on post # 52. Feel free to review it.
If it were going to damage anyone's appearance it would be SPAM and the state police. Since you belong to neither organization, I have to ask again; why do you care so much?



Posted by: coloneltruth

The public does not see the difference as we do. To the public, a cop is a cop, they don't think about who, what, or where. So when the SP make a mistake it makes everyone in uniform look bad.

Maybe you should consider lobbying for SPAM...



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
The public does not see the difference as we do. To the public, a cop is a cop, they don't think about who, what, or where. So when the SP make a mistake it makes everyone in uniform look bad.
I couldn't disagree more....the public well knows the difference.

Quote:
Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
Maybe you should consider lobbying for SPAM...
I'm more than busy enough with my own union, trust me.



Posted by: Wolfman

Hey colonelslappy, word has it the article was a bit (ahem) 'premature' & Finneran has no intention of leaving his firm. So I guess it looks like you and the rag that buries the article about Devals diddler employees are wrong.

Kind of sucks being on so high a horse when you make a complete ass out of yourself, eh?



Posted by: Sniper

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. SSDD. Colonel, let's play a game. It's called Hide & Go Fuck Yourself........... You go first.



Posted by: pahapoika

i'm no MSP cheer leader , but the DOC and MSP were making the same money up untill our newly elected eboard turned around and backed shannon o'brien.

MSP got 15% and we got the shaft. so even without kerry healy they are still one if not the best paid cops in the state.

some people don't want to admit the power is at the state house , but it is.



Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:
Originally Posted by coloneltruth View Post
You forgot about Kerry Healey, another great selection.

The Globe and the Herald have both reported that Finneran dropped SPAM like a red headed step child. I said less then a year and Tommy lasted less then 2 weeks. It's nice to be right, even with 50 weeks to spare.

Feel free to post your apologies below. That is if you have enough class to admit you're wrong.
Ya, that was awful. Man, it must have killed them when they still got a 20% contract that year.

Don't believe everything you read about Finneran quitting, either.

How did your union do last time contract negotiations rolled around? 0,0, 1%?

Why don't you worry about whatever union you belong to and let SPAM handle themselves. I think they can get it done without your help.

Run along, I think Howie Carr is making more "cops eat doughnuts" jokes. You must love those.





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