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Posted by: kwflatbed

BOSTON (WBZ) ― Boston police arrested a fellow officer Friday afternoon in connection with an armed robbery at a Roslindale gas station.

Boston Police Officer Michael T. Jones is accused of robbing the gas station on Albano and Washington streets at gunpoint.

Witnesses gave police a detailed description of the suspect, including the car that the suspect drove off in.

Police then went to the Dorchester home where the vehicle was registered at and found Jones inside the car with a gun.

Police said they noticed there was clothing in the backseat of the car that matched witness descriptions.

Police said they took Jones into custody and he was then positively identified as the suspect involved in the armed robbery.

Jones, 44, was charged with armed robbery, armed assault with intent to rob and two counts of assault by means of a dangerous weapon.

Jones has been placed on administrative leave from the department pending his termination, police officials said.

Jones joined the Boston Police Department in 1988. He was last assigned in Hyde Park and is ranked as a patrol officer.

"The internal investigation on this case is well under way and the punishment will be aggressive and certain," said Boston police Commissioner Ed Davis. "It is reprehensible when an officer violates the law that he is entrusted to uphold and I will not stand for it."

http://wbztv.com/local/Boston.police....2.628144.html

Posted by: Sniper

WHAT THE EFF ?????????????????????? Must be the name.

Posted by: hunter617

Damn this is a really good guy. What the F*&% happen.

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by hunter617

Damn this is a really good guy. What the F*&% happen.

lack of paid details...

Posted by: mikemac64

There was a reporting error...no salary was mentioned.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by hunter617

Damn this is a really good guy. What the F*&% happen.

I'll bet the house he's hooked on OC's and/or heroin.

Posted by: JMB1977

Apparently not working enough OT or details...another one bites the dust.

Posted by: coloneltruth

He already took a 45 day hit for testing positive. Last night when he was arrested he was drunk to the point of almost being unable to walk.

He was a good guy until his demons took him over. I could wager he was a better cop in his day then some of the "lack of details" commentaries. Grow up and understand this job sometimes can break the best.

Posted by: BSP268

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth

He already took a 45 day hit for testing positive. Last night when he was arrested he was drunk to the point of almost being unable to walk.

He was a good guy until his demons took him over. I could wager he was a better cop in his day then some of the "lack of details" commentaries. Grow up and understand this job sometimes can break the best.

YOU ALL KNOW THERE ALWAYS MORE THEN WHATS IN THE PAPERS! I WORK IN BOSTON AND ALL THE BOSTON GUYS THAT KNOW HIM SAY HE WAS A GREAT GUY AND A GOOD COP AND FRIEND. HE JUST HIT A BAD PACH OF LUCK WITH THE X WIFE AND HIS GIRL FRIEND. ANY TIME AN X TAKES YOUR MONEY AND KIDS IT F!@#S WITH YOU.

EVER RELLY COP ON THIS SITE KNOWS THAT INCIDENT WAS A CRY FOR HELP!!!! AND I HOPE THAT HE CAN GET IT.

Posted by: Maj. Dick

If I'm not mistaken there is more than one Michael Jones that works for BPD. Make sure you know which one you are talking about before you jump to any conclusions or start gossiping.

Posted by: trainedobserver

Did you ever read the comments section under these articles on the Boston Herald sight. I think that News paper plus the people who read it must all be criminals because they hate cops. I could not believe the comments I was reading. But then I realized most of the people commenting are more than likely snotty college kids, street thugs or the Parents that protect the little shits so they feel its right to act the way they do.

Concerning the officer mentioned I heard the same thing about this guy, and that was he was a good guy. With 2000 plus officers in a department there is bound to be a small percentage of those who do the wrong thing. But I realy wonder were these reporters get fed there stories. Someone making out on this info because there is no way the higher ups are supplying all of it.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Officer's family stunned by his arrest

Armed robbery, assault charges sadden relatives

By Michael Naughton and Maria Cramer

Globe Staff / January 13, 2008

The family of a veteran Boston police officer who allegedly used his department-issued handgun to rob a gas station said they were surprised and saddened by the accusations against their relative."He's just a good person," said Doris Jones, mother of officer Michael T. Jones, 44, of Dorchester. "He did well for those 20 years [on the force], I just hate to see it."
Jones was charged with armed robbery and assault after he allegedly used his service weapon to rob a Roslindale gas station about 4 p.m. Friday. He took less than $200 from the station before he fled in a car, an officer with knowledge of the investigation said.
He was arrested about an hour later on Gleason Street in Dorchester while sitting in the driver's seat of his car. Officers found his firearm in the car and clothing in the back seat that matched witnesses' description of the armed robber.
Since November, Jones had been on light desk duty, doing administrative tasks such as filing paperwork, said Elaine Driscoll, spokeswoman for the Boston Police Department. His latest assignment was in District E-18 in Hyde Park. She could not say why he was doing clerical work.
Doris Jones said her son recently had a medical issue and was involved in a crash in which he totaled his car. She said he had been on leave from the department from 2004 to 2006 because of an injury that left him with a pinched nerve.
Driscoll said an internal affairs complaint was filed against Jones in the 1990s, but she could not elaborate.
Jones's family said they had no idea why he would rob the station.
"I have to just hope for the best and keep praying," said his mother, standing outside her Dorchester home yesterday.
Family members said Michael Jones has two children, a daughter in college in North Carolina, and a son who lives with Jones's former wife. They said he worked hard to provide for his family.
"It's not his character," said Richie Dinkins, Michael Jones's cousin, interviewed outside the family's home yesterday. "He would always ask how we were doing because he was concerned about the younger people in the family."
One officer who knows Jones said the patrolman planned to return to regular duty in a few weeks, as soon as a physician cleared him.
"I'm thinking everything is fine," said the officer, who asked to remain anonymous because the department does not allow police to speak to the media without approval.
Jones was being held without bail until his arraignment tomorrow in West Roxbury District Court.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...by_his_arrest/

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

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Originally Posted by BSP268

Ahh, what other details are there, that he put his Glock to the kid's head at the GAs station and demanded money. I have no sympathy for this guy, sorry, ALOT of cops deal with alot of stressess, divorce, suspensions, alcoholism, separation and others, I don't see them holding up a bank or a store at gunpoint. He should have asked for help in other ways. Good luck appealing this at Civil Service.

Posted by: Barbrady

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Originally Posted by Delta784

I'll bet the house he's hooked on OC's and/or heroin.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Police Officer Faces Assault, Robbery Charges

20-Year Veteran Of Force Held On $50,000 Bail

BOSTON -- A 20-year veteran of the Boston Police Department was held on $50,000 cash bail following a bedside arraignment at Faulkner Hospital on charges that he robbed a gas station in Roslindale at gunpoint Friday night.

Michael Jones, 44, of Dorchester, faces one count each of armed robbery, assault with intent to rob, assault with a dangerous weapon, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon and assault and battery in connection with a 4 p.m. robbery of Best of Boston Gas Station.

In addition to the high bail, West Roxbury District Court Judge Kathleen Coffey ordered that Jones surrender his department-issued firearm, any personal firearms, all ammunition and his license to carry a firearm. He pleaded not guilty to the charges.
On Jan. 11, Boston Police officers received a call from the victim of an armed robbery at a gas station located at the corner of Albano and Washington streets. After talking to witnesses, responding officers learned that the suspect -- later identified as Jones -- allegedly entered the gas station, went behind the counter, showed the cashier a handgun and ordered that the cashier open the register.

After grabbing the cash in the register and leaving, Jones allegedly approached a second victim, pressed a firearm into his abdomen and demanded money. Upon discovering that the second victim did not have any money, Jones allegedly pushed him out of the way and got into his car, which was believed to be parked on Albano Street.

Witnesses told police officers that they observed the suspect fleeing in a gray Nissan Maxima sedan and were able to provide a license plate number to authorities.

Police officers tracked the vehicle’s registration to a Dorchester residence. A short time after the robbery, police officers pulled over a vehicle on the corner of Gleason and Bradshaw streets that matched the description of the vehicle used in the robbery. Jones was sitting in the driver's side seat.

Jones began working for the Boston Police Department in 1988. He was recently assigned to District E-18 as a patrol officer in the Hyde Park neighborhood in Boston.

He is scheduled to return to court on Feb. 6.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news...77/detail.html

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Gee! Ofc Jones was a good guy he was just about to turn his life around!!! until he started to hang around with the wrong crowd. He had his whole life ahead of him and now this........

Posted by: Barbrady

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Originally Posted by coloneltruth

He already took a 45 day hit for testing positive.

For what?

Posted by: quality617

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Originally Posted by Barbrady

For what?

Pot, heroin, cocaine, oxy, any thing controlled, automatic 45 days.

Posted by: Barbrady

Yeah, I was kinda curious which one.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Lawyer: Cop drunk, troubled

Faces robbery, assault charges

Photo by Herald Pool
Court visitors: Boston police officer Michael T. Jones, 44, is arraigned at Faulkner Hospital yesterday while handcuffed to his bed.

The Boston police officer accused of using his BPD-issued weapon to hold up a Roslindale gas station was drunk, off his medication and troubled by his cancer-stricken father on the day of the brazen daytime heist, his attorney said yesterday,
Michael T. Jones, 44, a 20-year veteran, was arraigned on armed robbery and assault charges while handcuffed to his bed at Faulkner Hospital, where he was being treated for chest pains.
“There are certainly issues about diminished capacity, alcohol intoxication,” said attorny Ken Anderson, who entered Jones’ not guilty plea. “What happened that day was certainly an aberration.”
Jones had recently moved in with his parents and was caring for his father, Anderson said.
During his arrest Friday afternoon, Jones allegedly told arresting officers that he had just left a Connecticut gambling palace. “The suspect yelled . . . that he was a police officer and he was coming from Foxwoods,” according to a police report.
Jones, who was assigned to E-18 in Hyde Park, has been placed on administrative leave.
Police said he had been on light desk duty since Nov. 1 after suffering injuries in an off-duty car accident the previous month. He called in sick Jan. 2 and has not been on duty since.
Assistant District Attorney Gretchen Lundgren said Jones entered the Best of Boston gas station at about 3:50 p.m. Friday wearing a hat, red sweatshirt, khaki pants and sunglasses.
He pointed his gun at 24-year-old clerk George Makhoul and ordered him to open the register drawer, Lundgren said. As Jones fled the store with nearly $200, he allegedly demanded money from a man outside, went through his pockets and shoved his firearm into the man’s side.
With the help of witnesses who wrote down the license plate of the getaway car, Jones was found sitting in a gray Nissan near his parents’ home.
Jones has previously been disciplined by the BPD. In 1999 he was suspended for 30 days after a domestic incident involving his wife, police said. He joined the Department in 1988 but resigned in 2004, claiming he had suffered injuries that left him unable to work. He was reinstated in 2006.

http://bostonherald.com/news/regiona...icleid=1066547

Posted by: BSP268

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

WHO CARES ABOUT CIVIL SERVICE, I HOPE HE LOUSE'S HIS JOB JUST HOPE HE CAN GET SOME HELP!!

Posted by: smilly217

Ok, so people want to jump on this bashing band wagon. It could happen to anyone of us at anytime. Look at suicides in the field of policing, it's no different than someone throwing away their life as a PO in this case. Mike is a great guy and he did a lot of good for the department. People can say what they want about how it embarrasses the dept and other police, but nobody knows how they'd react if they hit a rough patch like this. I hear guys make little jokes and things of that nature, but to come on here and bash a guy when you don't even know him is ridiculous. It doesn't help that the department is probably telling the courts to deal him a harsher punishment than the idiots we lock up on a daily basis. I have locked up quite a few for armed robbery and most of them get knocked down to larceny from a person and then they plea for a CWOF.(not to mention they're out on $1000) Shame on the department and shame on you morons who seem to think you're better than everyone else.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

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Originally Posted by smilly217

It could happen to anyone of us at anytime

Not too many guys i know that are on the job decide to hold up a gas station. Need money, work a detail

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I have locked up quite a few for armed robbery and most of them get knocked down to larceny from a person and then they plea for a CWOF.(not to mention they're out on $1000) Shame on the department and shame on you morons who seem to think you're better than everyone else.

I seriously doubt that anyone YOU locked up for an armed robbery with a handgun where the gun was placed against the victim's forehead got away with a CWOF. Shame on HIM and shame on YOU for defending a guy like this. We all have problems and deal with them but not by robbing convenience stores. You're the MORON.

Posted by: Mongo

It sucks that he couldn't get help before this happened.

But at the same time I have little sympathy for someone who crosses the line regardless of his demons.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by smilly217

Ok, so people want to jump on this bashing band wagon. It could happen to anyone of us at anytime. Look at suicides in the field of policing, it's no different than someone throwing away their life as a PO in this case. Mike is a great guy and he did a lot of good for the department. People can say what they want about how it embarrasses the dept and other police, but nobody knows how they'd react if they hit a rough patch like this. I hear guys make little jokes and things of that nature, but to come on here and bash a guy when you don't even know him is ridiculous. It doesn't help that the department is probably telling the courts to deal him a harsher punishment than the idiots we lock up on a daily basis. I have locked up quite a few for armed robbery and most of them get knocked down to larceny from a person and then they plea for a CWOF.(not to mention they're out on $1000) Shame on the department and shame on you morons who seem to think you're better than everyone else.

Shame on Officers who hide this kind of activity or find it trivial and compare an officer's action of criminal activity to a regular scum bag's. I am sure this was known to his coworker officers who choose to keep quiet about it...

Posted by: h174

It's a bad situation all around, still doesn't give him the right to do what he did.
1 bad act = 20 yrs down the drain, I feel for the family

Posted by: Portable81

+1

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

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After grabbing the cash in the register and leaving, Jones allegedly approached a second victim, pressed a firearm into his abdomen and demanded money.

Nice guy, robbed another outside the store, now he is sitting at the Faulkner Hospital Detox Unit.

Posted by: Barbrady

Seriously, its kinda hard to defend this guy.

Posted by: resqjyw0

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Originally Posted by smilly217

You should know better, he should have known better. If this is excusable, then why do PDs go through so much trouble finding the absolute best candidate possible when looking to hire new guys? They want to avoid situations like this. If it wasn't the case, they would go out and hire any shithead they wanted off the streets and say "go get 'em."

Being a 20-year veteran in Boston, he saw some of the lowest life forms on this planet. Doing it for 20 years he should know how to deal with such problems. If he was such a great police officer, he would have gotten the help he needed to avoid letting it get this bad.

Being a police officer, you are always under public scrutiny, always held to a higher standard, so you need to conduct yourself accordingly no matter what. That is why he is going to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

I saw that he resigned in 2004, then was reinstated in 2006. Why did he come back when he resigned himself? It's not like he was fired for some BS reason, fought it and got his job back. I don't know anything about that situation, I can only speculate as to why he resigned, but it just seems a little shady to me.

Why are you so eager to defend him when he commits armed robbery with his duty gun? Is it that you are on that path yourself? If you are, you better get yourself some help, NOW.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by smilly217

People can say what they want about how it embarrasses the dept and other police, but nobody knows how they'd react if they hit a rough patch like this.

I've hit plenty of rough patches in my life, but have never had the urge to pull an armed robbery.

Posted by: 94c

Seeing that some of you are trying to excuse his actions...

A smart cop would have robbed a drug dealer instead.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by 94c

Seeing that some of you are trying to excuse his actions...

A smart cop would have robbed a drug dealer instead.

Exactly!!! TAKE HIS CASH AND DRUGS THE OLD SCHOOL WAY!!!

Posted by: evidence

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Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

Irish Wompanoag, I dont know what kind of cop you are or where, nor do I care. I worked with Mike on several occasions and there wasn't an INKLING of this type of behavior, ever. I don't condone his behavior nor do I want to sound like the family and friends of gun toting dirt balls that we lock up, but he really was one of the least cynical, most caring cops I have ever worked with. What you just said, insinuating that me and others saw this coming and/or covered stuff up (when the cops who arrested Mike were Boston officers, a difficult thing to do) insults me and every other cop who knows Mike. So, IW, STFU and go sit on a traffic cone and rotate on your next detail in east dingleberry you handjob before I start forming and expressing my own opinions on you and your co-workers without knowing or meeting any of you.

Posted by: quality617

That was completely uncalled for.

I don't think it's reasonable to say NOBODY saw this coming. Behavior like that doesn't just pop up because you're bored. It manifiest itself over months, even years. Somebody knew something was up, but in Jones defense it usually takes an event like this to make a person come to terms with the reality that he has a problem.
I hope it's the wakeup call he needs, but I agree with IW that someone in his inner circle saw a problem and probably kept it quiet.

Posted by: smilly217

I didn't say that it's completely excusable, but without giving inside information they're hitting him harder (and trying to hit him harder) than your average criminal. Ok so he's a cop and had the public's trust, but you know what, if life starts going downhill FAST who knows how someone would react. Yeah, he was a little more quiet than usual lately, but you know what it's not his fellow officers who should be hearing, "shame on you for not stepping up". He was still the same Mike, with a joke and a friendly hello. Mike is a great guy and would do anything to help you out and he'd back you up with a situation. I don't know if it's fellow BPD officers who are bashing him on this or if it's someone from some little town where you'll rarely draw your gun (if ever) and you'll rarely (if ever) chase an armed suspect. Not that it matters where you work because we're all brothers and I'm not trying to bash anyone but there's an additional stress that goes along with working in B2 for years. Look at the SCSD CO, he all of a sudden lost it, look at the suicides in policing. These are facts not just random opinions from some guy with his head up his ass. You guys who sit on your high horse and say it's been tough and I've made it through it. That's great and I'm happy for you, but some people aren't as strong to make it through these tough times. So instead of bashing the guy while he's down why don't you take a step back and check your facts.
As for you "out of many one", again check your facts, "if you need money work a detail". How many details do you get on light duty? ZERO
The guy obviously has a problem, I'm not saying that he should be excused and given his job back. He should never work as a PO again, but fellow officers on here are ready to crucify him. There are plenty of other officers out there on the job who have done far worse.

"Resqvwhatever" As for me being on the same path, I think not, again you're casting stones on someone who you know nothing about because you hide behind a computer screen.
A clear thinking police officer should be able to commit a robbery and not get caught. If you have any knowledge of crime and policing. This guy did everything completely wrong, a cry for help? Maybe, but it went too far.
I can only pray that if the tough times come to me I don't have some sort of breakdown. But again, nobody knows what could happen. Whether they're a cop or a doctor.
My opinion of this is pretty much, I feel bad for the guy, I hope he finds help and I can't believe that he did this because he's not a bad guy at all. No need to kick a guy when he's down.

Posted by: evidence

If by seeing a problem, are you referring to them thinking, "wow, he seems like he's about to reach his breaking point and rob a gas station" or "wow, he went through a rough divorce, lost most of his money, is paying child support, and paying for his kid to go to college just like 50% of the cops on this job, let me tell someone his personal business because if I don't, i'd be covering things up." You guys sound like the nitwits who drive a Toyota Prius with a "question authority" bumper sticker and can't wait to get home and log into the globe and herald forums involving the Boston Police and write their conspiracy theories......think like a cop before you talk (i wrote this before I saw your post Smilly....your post is right on the money)

Posted by: quality617

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Originally Posted by evidence

If by seeing a problem, are you referring to them thinking, "wow, he seems like he's about to reach his breaking point and rob a gas station" or "wow, he went through a rough divorce, lost most of his money, is paying child support, and paying for his kid to go to college just like 50% of the cops on this job, let me tell someone his personal business because if I don't, i'd be covering things up." You guys sound like the nitwits who drive a Toyota Prius with a "question authority" bumper sticker and can't wait to get home and log into the globe and herald forums involving the Boston Police and write their conspiracy theories......think like a cop before you talk (i wrote this before I saw your post Smilly....your post is right on the money)

"think like a cop before you talk"

Excellent advice. Follow it.

Posted by: resqjyw0

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Originally Posted by smilly217

"Resqvwhatever" As for me being on the same path, I think not, again you're casting stones on someone who you know nothing about...

Ok, so lets say you go out on a traffic stop, you are going to assume the guy is the nicest guy and wouldn't hurt a fly because he is someone you know nothing about?

I'm surprised HB7220PD hasn't made the comment that maybe we are reacting this way because he's black...

Posted by: evidence

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Originally Posted by quality617

"think like a cop before you talk"

Excellent advice. Follow it.

Im not talking about an investigations way of thinking, Im talking about the fact that once you've been on the job for a while, you see other cops getting in trouble for stuff that nobody, and i mean inner cirlcle of friends, partners, family, etc. knew anything about. For example, MSP Sgt. O'Hare, his kiddie diddling surprised EVERYBODY who knew him as a squared away trooper and Lt. Colonel Army National Guard, Tim White was known as a choir boy by all of his MSP co-workers/classmates with the exception of his coke-head wife and customers. I know that the BPD has been in the news lately involving long, drawn out drug involvement by a few bad apples. This, however, is different, it involves a guy who seems to just have gone off the reservation, so to speak. I'm not saying that absolutely nobody saw this coming, but I didn't see it, and neither did everyone else I have talked to. Im just saying that comments in regards to mike and his coworkers (me) that include the words "cover up" are completely inappropriate and insulting, especially from non-BPD, hence the also inappropriate traffic cone comment, which I'm sorry, but i thought it was hilarious.

Posted by: Mongo

It is true that these people can go undetected. Even by imediate supervisors and upper management who are suppose to be watching for this shit. There are numerous cases of this happening not only to cops but also other members of the community as well. Some as we know have also taken it to fruition and have actually killed.

I know professionaly one guy who worked every day had a sense of humor all the time and one day went home and killed his wife.

I have also had personal experience with this type of behavior that ended up in murder.

This is not a television show or a movie this officer used a weapon and put peoples lives in danger TO THE POINT OF A MUSCLE MOVEMENT OF 2 TO 3LBS OF FORCE ON A TRIGGER THAT COULD OF KILLED AN INNOCENT PERSON.

I said on my previous post it is to bad he didn't get some help before this.

However no matter what his demons or the demons the other officers from the known cases you mentioned may have had. I understand why fellow officers feel the way they do.

The other point I think some guys are trying to make is financial,marital,and personal problems are abundant but many keep marching and do the right thing.

I think it sucks that this type of thing happens but my concern is more for the victims than the actors regardless of the problems the actor may have or if he is a cop or not.

Think of what would of happened if he did pull the trigger and killed.

Posted by: smilly217

"Resq" I don't really see your relevance. Maybe because I know Mike, that's probably why I see this more as something went wrong versus him being a "bad apple" of the department.

Yeah you feel bad for the victims who had to have a gun pointed at them especially because that gas station had some of the nicest attendants around.
If you know Mike then you can see that he just lost it. If you're on the outside then I guess you'll just continue to give your opinion with little facts that you have. You're probably the same person who criticizes other officers and think that you're a super cop. Good luck to you, don't forget as officers we're a team/family at the end of the day all that matters is that we go home to our families. So next time you criticize an officer or speak ill of someone who's fallen on bad times, think about if you were in an OT would you want people to respond or because of a miserable attitude, let you get ur butt kicked? Mike would have responded to any one of us in an OT, because it's the kind of guy he is. His easy going attitude is what the job needs more than this tough guy macho image.

Posted by: quality617

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Originally Posted by evidence

It really wasn't hilarious. It was bomb tossing by someone who feels they need a higher level of respect than the rest of us. Sorry, doesn't wash here. Your guy messed up, and everyone here who wears a uniform has to live with the fall out from it. We're angry, but rest assured no one here is cheering his downfall, but that also doesn't me there aren't strong feelings about his behavior either.

I didn't see three cops protecting cocaine shipments either and I worked with most of them, but they made their choices and I have no sympathy. Apparently I wasn't part of their inner circle, as most co-workers aren't.

And "especially from non-BPD"? Does that mean the next cop in the news that goes over the edge who isn't BPD, you don't get to comment on? I don't think so. We're cops too, you know, and your department doesn't corner the market on misery, bad working conditions, lack of personel, and seemingly unmanagable crime. You're not special. No one here is, and you might want to think about throwing a little of the respect back at your fellow officers that you seem to demand.

That's all I'm saying.

Posted by: Mongo

Good Luck being lost

Posted by: Sniper

GET 'EM 617 !!!!!!!!!!!!

smilly........ people don't just get up one day and decide it would be cool to rob a gas station...........

Posted by: csauce777

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Originally Posted by smilly217

"Resq" I don't really see your relevance. Maybe because I know Mike, that's probably why I see this more as something went wrong versus him being a "bad apple" of the department.

Yeah you feel bad for the victims who had to have a gun pointed at them especially because that gas station had some of the nicest attendants around.
If you know Mike then you can see that he just lost it. If you're on the outside then I guess you'll just continue to give your opinion with little facts that you have.

No matter how you paint it, he f*cked up, bad, and he needs to pay for it.

As for being on the outside, and the "little facts" that we have, it's pretty clear that he placed his weapon to the heads and abdomens of innocent people and robbed them. We are on the "outside" of every situation we encounter on the street, and when was the last time you gave a shit about the stories, stresses, or excuses some junkie gave after he robbed an innocent person? I'm willing to bet, you don't buy their excuses, so why push such excuses for this guy?

Posted by: robodope

It amazes me how quick some of us can turn on a brother officer...(Although I believe a lot of the sour grapes are coming from people who don't have the job they want so when they see someone F%$% up it's like a feeding frenzy). If more then one person says he's a good guy then that speaks volumes to me..This is someone who needs help and doesnt need us to sheizer on him anymore then some of you people already have..He will never have his job back which is ok but I'm hoping his friends help him out so he can move on with his life..We may not rob a gas station but any one of us can hit rock bottom, and do something else stupid so leave it alone..There is a difference between someone that's a life long criminal vs. a cop that went bad. And Csauce, I do give a shit about his excuses, stresses, and story because he was one of us and deserves that respect, and if people missed something maybe we can learn from it. It is hard for Cops for ask for help and some of you guys are a good example why. Instead of eating a bullet he robbed a gas station...That's the difference between him and a career criminal... No need to trample the guy any further..Can someone close this thread????????

Posted by: spdawg0734

Although there is no excuse for his actions and the punishment will be coming forthwith, it is important that the real lesson not be overlooked here. Unlike any other vocation, police work lends itself to be particularly devilitating when your personal life turns to shit before your eyes. Although you may question why no one saw this coming, the culture of police work does not afford us to show or wear our feelings outward specially among our peers. The mere nature of the job demands that you must always laugh at tragedy, never show weakness and or fear. Discussing your failures, problems, or fears is usually not tolerated and in some instances becomes the but of jokes.
Then there is the fear that if manegment discovers your troubles that your employment may be in jeopardy adding to the stress and isolation. You then turn to the bottle, in order to scape, something that we all do. What this man did was a step above what most end up doing in those conditions, swallow the bullet. I have had the unpleasant experience to have dealt with both situations, and I can assure you that although in hind sight you may identify those things that should have warned you something was wrong, at the time you were blind to it. What is important is not that others notice, but that you recognize the situation yourself, and seek the help that you need. We all need from time to time to look in the mirror and take notice of what is going on in your life. There are resources out there to help you and if not seek a senior person or partner whom you trust and speak to them. If you are a senior person or if someone comes to you with a problem or concern listen to them, if you cant help him or her, suggest someone who can. One of the posters said how he did not think we would heed personal life issues if we were dealing with a junky... Well let me tell you that I do, I dont ponder his life history while I am chasing him, developing a case against him, fighting him or dragging him to the lock up, but I have always once all of that is over if he or she is willing and are calm, I will listen to them, no matter how much a scumbag they are. Why because number one they are a human being, and as such it is part of your job to treat them as one, number two your treatment of them will be visited on the next cop that deals with him or her, three you can learn from them, four you can get more out of them be it that information that will break a case or that admission that will seal their fate. All of that is part of police work. In a personal note we all have a family member that is that guy or gal that gets arrested or looses his way or is just a criminal. We are all part of the people we police. Now I am not suggesting that we become Oprah in uniform, but it is important that as part of the brotherhood we claim to be in we take the time to listen and help each other. Once something like this happens it is too late, the only good thing is that although his career and his liberty is over, he will have a life left, what he does with it, will be up to only him. In short I can tell you this, in my career, I have dealt with officers on the fringe and on the edge. I have seen officers die by their own hand be it a gun or a bottle, I have had the displeasure of even arresting a few. I my self have been on the edge at home, and only by the grace of GOD, and the support of my family and my brother officers did I work through it. I hope none of you have to experience what I have experienced, but I know that if you stay in this profession you will, it is the nature of what you have chosen to do. I only hope and pray that if it hits you, you will be able to deal with it and have the support of your brothers and sisters on the job as well as your family. I love and honor being a police officer, each day I ask God to give me the strength to carry on, to make the right decisions, to fight, overcome and win any deadly conflict, to uphold the honor of my profession , to have compassion and respect for those who I am sworn to protect and serve, and at the end of the day to be able to go home and take care of my family. I hope I have not bored you.
Stay Safe

Posted by: PaulKersey

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Originally Posted by Sniper

smilly........ people don't just get up one day and decide it would be cool to rob a gas station...........

Believe it or not, some do. Life can change real fast.
Like Frank Sinatra always said, "Riding high in April, shot down in May"

Posted by: smilly217

This is my last post because it's not really worth my time to try and explain things to people who have no loyalty to the brotherhood. A crackhead and a cop who hit bottom and messed up are completely different. He hit bottom and made a bad choice. A crackhead hits bottom and continues to stay at the bottom. There's no way that any of us saw this coming and anyone who blames his fellow brothers is an idiot.
Csauce, of course he needs to pay but let the law do that. Not some fool on a post who probably doesn't even work for a police department. That's what we have newspapers for. As for the little facts, do you know Mike? If not then you have no facts to back up your statements. Again you're reading the newspaper and believing everything you read. Yes it's true he messed up but again, he's not one of the rotten bad apples that linger at departments and use up all resources.

Posted by: evidence

Sorry to bring this post back up again, but hopefully this will end it.

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Originally Posted by quality617

It really wasn't hilarious. It was bomb tossing by someone who feels they need a higher level of respect than the rest of us. Sorry, doesn't wash here.............And "especially from non-BPD"? Does that mean the next cop in the news that goes over the edge who isn't BPD, you don't get to comment on? I don't think so. We're cops too, you know, and your department doesn't corner the market on misery, bad working conditions, lack of personel, and seemingly unmanagable crime. You're not special. No one here is, and you might want to think about throwing a little of the respect back at your fellow officers that you seem to demand.

That's all I'm saying.

1. Develope a sense of humor, cops bust other cops balls on a daily basis

2. I never have and never will comment negatively on any cops "in the news" nor would I ever comment on any cop "in the news" who I don't know no matter what department they work for (with the exception of my previous post which listed White and O'Hare as examples and not as my personal opinion of them or what they have been charged with.)

3. You're right, I'm not special, and neither are you. You jumped into this on your own without any comment directed towards you since IrishWamp never responded. "Higher level of respect"???? I don't deserve it personally, but in Mike's case...20 years on the job, most of it in Area B, does. You want to understand that RESPECT???? Come on a ride-along sometime.

Did he mess up? Yes. Should he be a cop again? No. Is he otherwise a good guy? I know the answer to that, you don't. That's it, no need to drag in cover ups, co workers, family, etc. from "non-BPD," yeah quality, NON-BPD, that means someone who doesn't work with the person in question, no high-horse here, what the F are you talking about? I, being "non-MSPCA," would never make negative statements about you and your co-workers who I know nothing about.

On another note, SPDawg, very very well said my friend. Every cop should read and follow what you just wrote. I wasn't bored, just wanted to give you the RESPECT you deserve for your years of service and experiences. And to everyone, stay safe.

Posted by: quality617

Quote:

Originally Posted by evidence

Sorry to bring this post back up again, but hopefully this will end it.

1. Develope a sense of humor, cops bust other cops balls on a daily basis

2. I never have and never will comment negatively on any cops "in the news" nor would I ever comment on any cop "in the news" who I don't know no matter what department they work for (with the exception of my previous post which listed White and O'Hare as examples and not as my personal opinion of them or what they have been charged with.)

3. You're right, I'm not special, and neither are you. You jumped into this on your own without any comment directed towards you since IrishWamp never responded. "Higher level of respect"???? I don't deserve it personally, but in Mike's case...20 years on the job, most of it in Area B, does. You want to understand that RESPECT???? Come on a ride-along sometime.

Did he mess up? Yes. Should he be a cop again? No. Is he otherwise a good guy? I know the answer to that, you don't. That's it, no need to drag in cover ups, co workers, family, etc. from "non-BPD," yeah quality, NON-BPD, that means someone who doesn't work with the person in question, no high-horse here, what the F are you talking about? I, being "non-MSPCA," would never make negative statements about you and your co-workers who I know nothing about.

On another note, SPDawg, very very well said my friend. Every cop should read and follow what you just wrote. I wasn't bored, just wanted to give you the RESPECT you deserve for your years of service and experiences. And to everyone, stay safe.

Apparently you didn't even bother to read my original post. I'll paraphrase.

His inner circle probably saw a problem brewing, but did nothing. Who that inner circle is, no clue, but it generally doesn't include co-workers, so it's not suprising that most of you were blindsided.

However, just because he's one of your own, doesn't make his behavior a third rail of conversation.

That was pretty much it. The higher level of respect was for officers that are still on the job who are disgusted by his behavior and don't deserve to be lambasted on a blog for being frustrated, and as of yet aren't out robbing gas stations. I feel sorry for his friends that were clueless, his family that has to live through it, and the rest of us who have to labor under the guise of the general public who run with stories like this and make us all out to be a bunch of whacked-out money hungry prima-donnas. Hopefully he gets the help he needs and can move on in some limited way. That's where he'll need his friends: not to shield him from ridicule, but make sure he doesn't end up like this again.

See that? No swearing, no comparing resumes, no ill intent. Have a good day, sir.

Posted by: kwflatbed

It's time to put this thread to bed it has run it's course.

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