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Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

I am confused on who is the best candidate for president. I am unenrolled however have been voting republican and independent for at least 15 years. I see my choices as follows

3.Huckabee
2 McCain
1. Romney
(OH I hate this guy however his views and ideas are the most matched with mine)

Any other views??

Posted by: resqjyw0

Romney can kiss my ass. All he has done is put on a big show.

I've liked McCain. After the VT shooting, he had the balls to stand up for the 2nd Amendment even after coming under heavy fire for it. I saw the debate a 2-3 months ago (?) where they said McCain did extremely well, which he did, since then I've stuck with him.

There are a lot of people don't support McCain because of his age. That sounds like back before the 2004 election where the people that I spoke with that supported Kerry said they did so because he was a better public speaker. At the time I had strong support for Bush for taking action after 9-11 starting the "War on Terror." I was disgusted that people wouldn't support Bush at the time because he had poor public speaking skills. I care more about the decisions they make than their skills speaking to the public. Since 2004 Bush has made a lot of bad decisions and almost everyone hates him. I'll tell you right now that overall I dislike Bush now based on some recent decisions he has made. But when I look back at the 2004 election, I'd still take Bush over Kerry.

Posted by: chiefwiggum

I have voted Republican for President since I was old enough to vote. Recently though I've been disgusted and disapointed by Bush. I thought by this point we would be getting free oil out of IRAQ, I don't see any improve ment with Illegal imigration or Border Control some of my biggest issues. The reality is Clinton gave us much more money for Local Police Dept's. as far as getting $$ to hire more cops. I'm not impressed with the way Bush has run this War that I was 100% behind from the start. I didn't pay any less in taxes. Since Bush I've done a complete turn around and I can see myself voting Dem. and I voted last 2 times for Bush.

Posted by: screamineagle

I vote KOZ for president!!!!!

Posted by: chiefwiggum

Quote:

Originally Posted by resqjyw0

Romney can kiss my ass. All he has done is put on a big show.

I've liked McCain. After the VT shooting, he had the balls to stand up for the 2nd Amendment even after coming under heavy fire for it. I saw the debate a 2-3 months ago (?) where they said McCain did extremely well, which he did, since then I've stuck with him.

I was a big McCain fan for years but his recent views on Illegals blows my mind. He wants to give them amnesty and allow them to collect Social Security for acrewments made while they were here illegally. Amnesty is fine but only after the borders are secured.

Posted by: resqjyw0

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

And how are Obama or Clinton any better?

Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

The last president I supported was Reagan. I was active duty when the peanut farmer was president and let me tell you there was a HUGE change in attitude with alot of military when he was put out of office.
The current crop is disappointing to say the least...on BOTH sides of the ticket. McCains support of the McCain/Feingold bill which was DIRECTED at the NRA really turned me off to him. I generally vote SECOND AMENDMENT. I find that if they trust me to own /carry firearms that they usually vote the right way on the other issues I care about such as taxes, right to life,deathpenalty, etc... Romney/Gulliany I think are conservative in name only.
Sadly I'll vote for whatever Republican gets the nomination because the crappiest one is MILES better then the best dummycrat.

Posted by: HousingCop

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

Amnesty is fine? What's in your pipe, crack? Round up the drug dealing scrumbag criminaliens first, then go for the layabouts who suck our systems dry. Then go round up the ones who have who snuck in to work, or overstayed their work / student visas and their "anchor" babies and send them back to wherever they came from.

Remember, criminaliens can't work here legally, so those who are getting paid cash are cheating the IRS and state out of taxes. Those criminaliens who work here under bogus SS #'s are guilty of identity theft and falsifying federal documents. They are bad for the system with their big old fat hands, palms up, waiting for the next freebie to come along. Be it housing, WIC, EBT, and a host of other acronyms I care to conveniently forget.

I am voting for the guy who will seal our border, kick these criminals in the nuts and send them back to where they belong.
......and for all his frailties GW will be considered in the future as one of the better modern Presidents of our time. Harry Truman comes to mind. He was maligned for years for dropping the A-bomb and ending WW2 sparing countless US lives.

Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

Let it all out HC....its not good to internalize

Posted by: chiefwiggum

I'm really not sure if they are, but I'm starting to think after Bush that Republicans really don't due shit.... I have oil heat in my house and it pisses me off when I have to fill my tank up. I see the same illegals driving unlicensed and working every where with no worries.
As much as I hated Clinton I have to give him props on the way he helped Ireland and we really saw an influx of cash into law enforcement. I guess I've just lost all faith in Republicans. Romney blew it to in my opinion. He raised fees for every thing he could. Ya I guess he didn't raise taxes but he forced the Cities and Towns to raise local taxes. Also there were hiring freezes every where under Romney.
At least if we get a Democrat in maybee they'll give us some $$ to make the streets a little safer.

Posted by: resqjyw0

Quote:

Originally Posted by justanotherparatrooper

Sadly I'll vote for whatever Republican gets the nomination because the crappiest one is MILES better then the best dummycrat.

Sadly, I probably will too.

I don't know about the statement about the crappiest Republican being miles better than any Dem. Romney, as far as I'm concerned, is a lying and deceiving POS. I hate him almost as much as I hate Obama and Clinton.

Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

Res...I LOVE your signature about veggies, needed the laugh, THANKS!

Posted by: chiefwiggum

[quote=HousingCop]Amnesty is fine? What's in your pipe, crack? Round up the drug dealing scrumbag criminaliens first, then go for the layabouts who suck our systems dry. Then go round up the ones who have who snuck in to work, or overstayed their work / student visas and their "anchor" babies and send them back to wherever they came from.

Remember, criminaliens can't work here legally, so those who are getting paid cash are cheating the IRS and state out of taxes. Those criminaliens who work here under bogus SS #'s are guilty of identity theft and falsifying federal documents. They are bad for the system with their big old fat hands, palms up, waiting for the next freebie to come along. Be it housing, WIC, EBT, and a host of other acronyms I care to conveniently forget.

Listen As far as amnesty.. That's what McCain is proposing. I agree with you about deporting criminals. Regan was the last President to grant amnesty in the 80's but he never closed the borders afterwards, hence the problem is again here. In Reality it would cost to much and I can't see us deporting all illegals. The 1st step is to secure are borders after that we can talk about the possible amnesty. My point was I can't support McCain because of his position on this issue. My guess is you don't either.

Posted by: resqjyw0

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

I see the same illegals driving unlicensed and working every where with no worries.

I guess you'll feel better knowing Clinton and Obama both support giving illegals driver's licenses then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

As much as I hated Clinton I have to give him props on the way he helped Ireland and we really saw an influx of cash into law enforcement.

I'm not really concerned about Bill at the moment. He's not running for prez...

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

Romney blew it to in my opinion. He raised fees for every thing he could. Ya I guess he didn't raise taxes but he forced the Cities and Towns to raise local taxes. Also there were hiring freezes every where under Romney.

He sucks. Romney is just putting on a big show. About a month before he officially announced his bid for president, he joins the NRA. All of a sudden he's for the hunters and gun owners. What has he done for us? The fee for a FID/LTC went up to $100 from $25. For a period of time a FID/LTC went from being valid for (I think) 6 years down to 4. Now they're back up to 6 for whatever reason.

Romney keeps using the fact that he got MSP the authority to arrest illegals. How many illegals did the MSP arrest before Patrick rescinded the measure?

That just touches the tip of the iceberg with Romney. He puts on a big show, he flip flops on issues, he just sucks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

At least if we get a Democrat in maybee they'll give us some $$ to make the streets a little safer.

The New England Police Benevolent Assoc. just gave their endorsement to Giuliani. I know it doesn't say much when you look at Patrick after he got the endorsements of many police unions.

As a hunter and a gun owner, I can't bring myself to vote for either Obama or Clinton, and I believe that one of them will get the nomination from the party. Not sure which one, not that I care because I'm not voting for them anyway. I believe that if either one of them gets in, they will screw this country up as bad, if not worse, than what Patrick is doing in Mass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by justanotherparatrooper

Res...I LOVE your signature about veggies, needed the laugh, THANKS!

No prob. I love shitting on the anti's!

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

I'm really not sure if they are, but I'm starting to think after Bush that Republicans really don't due shit....

That may be so to a degree. Democrats do shit. The only thing is when they do, they tend to screw things up worse than they already were.

Posted by: kwflatbed

The whole truth to the matter is there is not one of them worth voting for.

Posted by: Inspector

Well the Inspector can't stand Romney so I'll probably vote for McCain in the primary. If Romney gets Rep nomination I'm sorry to say I'll have to vote for the Democrat. Right now, up in NH, it looks like Obama is going to get that nod. I'm looking at our local polling place and he has the right people from town out there proudly holding his signs.Horns are tooting support from arriving voters and neither a Hillary worker nor a Republican supporter have yet to appear in this town where Republicans used to be the vast majority only eight years ago.

Posted by: SGT_GRUNT_USMC

I'm a Registered Republican,but at this point I'll take anybody as long as it's not Hitlery...

Posted by: kwflatbed

I don't know how much truth there is to this but it is going around the internet,I have recieved it six times already.

Please read and then decide for yourself.

Obama mentioned his church during his appearance with Oprah. It's the Trinity Church of Christ. I found this interesting.

Obama's church: Please read and go to this church's website and read what is written there. It is very alarming. Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S. If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned. Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join Obama's church... B-L-A-C-K!!! Doesn't look like his choice of religion has improved much over his (former?) Muslim upbringing. Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get? Certainly a racist, as plainly defined by the stated position of his church! And possibly a covert worshiper of the Muslim faith, even today. This guy desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa!

I cannot believe this has not been all over the TV and newspapers. This is why it is so important to pass this message along to all of our family and friends. To think that Obama has even the slightest chance in the run for the presidency, is really scary. Click on the link below:

This is the web page for the church Barack Obama belongs to:

WWW.tucc.org/about.htm

Posted by: CJIS

I don't like any of them they all suck

Posted by: chief801

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwflatbed

I don't know how much truth there is to this but it is going around the internet,I have recieved it six times already.

Please read and then decide for yourself.

Obama mentioned his church during his appearance with Oprah. It's the Trinity Church of Christ. I found this interesting.

Obama's church: Please read and go to this church's website and read what is written there. It is very alarming. Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S. If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned. Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join Obama's church... B-L-A-C-K!!! Doesn't look like his choice of religion has improved much over his (former?) Muslim upbringing. Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get? Certainly a racist, as plainly defined by the stated position of his church! And possibly a covert worshiper of the Muslim faith, even today. This guy desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa!

I cannot believe this has not been all over the TV and newspapers. This is why it is so important to pass this message along to all of our family and friends. To think that Obama has even the slightest chance in the run for the presidency, is really scary. Click on the link below:

This is the web page for the church Barack Obama belongs to:

WWW.tucc.org/about.htm

Funny, I went to the website and I don't know where the author of this post came up with his/her garbage. Why are people so paranoid about celebrating one's heritage? Why does ethnic pride or reverence for one's heritage (black or white) instantly equal racism to some people?

Translation of the original poster's message - Don't vote for Obama...he's black! OMG!

Posted by: resqjyw0

I heard Obama participated in some walk for Black rights. So I honestly wouldn't put it past Obama to be a racist. Granted I haven't read about it from a reliable media source, but there is enough out there where the possibility of him being racist can be reasoned.

Here's something on Obama:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Obama_...eart_1022.html

How do you like them apples Obama supporters?

Posted by: kwflatbed

I went Digging:

Barack Obama's Racist Church

If Sen. Obama rejects the Rev. Wright’s warped view of this country, why does he continue to attend his church?

Monday, January 7, 2008 10:16 AM

By: Ronald Kessler

Imagine if Mitt Romney’s church proclaimed on its website that it is “unashamedly white.”
The media would pounce, and Romney’s presidential candidacy would be over. Yet that is exactly what Barack Obama’s church says on its web site — except in reverse.
“We are a congregation which is unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian,” says the Trinity United Church of Christ’s website in Chicago. “We are an African people and remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.”
That’s just the beginning. The church has a “non-negotiable commitment to Africa,” according to its website, and its pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. subscribes to what is called the Black Value System.

Full Article:
http://newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Chu.../07/62285.html

Who Is Jeremiah Wright? (Obama's Racist Pastor)

The Wall Street Journal ^| May 1, 2007 | James Taranto
Posted on 05/01/2007 1:38:01 PM PDT

He is pastor of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ and the man who led Barack Obama "from skeptic to self-described Christian," reports the New York Times. And he has some ideas and history many Americans will find troubling:
In 1984, he traveled to Cuba to teach Christians about the value of nonviolent protest and to Libya to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, along with the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. Mr. Wright said his visits implied no endorsement of their views. . . .
Mr. Wright preached black liberation theology, which interprets the Bible as the story of the struggles of black people, who by virtue of their oppression are better able to understand Scripture than those who have suffered less. That message can sound different to white audiences, said Dwight Hopkins, a professor at University of Chicago Divinity School and a Trinity member. "Some white people hear it as racism in reverse," Dr. Hopkins said, while blacks hear, "Yes, we are somebody, we're also made in God's image."
Mr. Wright's political statements may be more controversial than his theological ones. He has said that Zionism has an element of "white racism." (For its part, the Anti-Defamation League says it has no evidence of any anti-Semitism by Mr. Wright.) On the Sunday after the terrorist attacks of 9/11, Mr. Wright said the attacks were a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later he wrote that the attacks had proved that "people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared' as the Great White West went on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...

Is Barack Obama’s Trinity Church Racist?

February 18, 2007

The blogosphere is all agog, and it’s because presidential candidate Barack Obama’s home church, Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ once adopted a Black Value System that, among other things, disavows the “Pursuit of ‘Middleclassness’.”

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

Commitment to God
Commitment to the Black Community
Commitment to the Black Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

"The nation's only black senator, Barack Obama, D-Ill., asked voters at two black churches and at a Nashville rally to elect [Harold] Ford, a Democrat who is trying to become the first black senator from the South in more than 100 years. 'I know that all of you are going to work the next couple of days to make sure it happens, because I'm feeling lonely in Washington,' Obama said at the Mt. Zion Baptist Church. 'I need my dear friend to join me.' "--Associated Press, Nov. 5

Posted by: Loyal

Romney gets my vote. Of course he had to raise fees - better to raise user fees on people getting a particular service than screwing everyone with a tax hike like the demorats wanted to do. He had to reign in the deficit that the liberals created. What else could he have done ? The demorat controlled house and senate vetoed over 200 of his budget cuts. The demorats are against the death penalty , Romney is for it, they gutted the federal $$ that was granted to build a border fence that the GOP passed when the Republicans ran Congress, the demorats went after the Quinn Bill and screwed it up-(ie: no more credits for the police academy, but you get credits if you squander your $ on irrelevant courses),they went after police details (Cohen/Demarco bill), etc, etc... George Bush cut taxes and gave us a rebate - how many of the people bashing him gave that $600 check he gave you, back to the IRS ? Demorats are whiney, criminal pandering, reverse discrimination loving, morons. BTW -look at the games they played by pushing that BFD candidate from 683 on the list to the top....Real men vote Republican

Posted by: Delta784

Romney gets my vote; I owe him at least that for saving the Quinn Bill.

Posted by: roccopd

McCain is the Man! He is 100% what this country needs. No nonsense!!!

Posted by: resqjyw0

Quote:

Originally Posted by roccopd

McCain is the Man! He is 100% what this country needs. No nonsense!!!

I do like McCain out of all the candidates, but I don't think he is 100% what this country needs. He has some flaws just like all the other candidates.

Posted by: Barbrady

I would probably go with McCain too..but I am not voting.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbrady

I would probably go with McCain too..but I am not voting.

Why would you not vote ???????

Posted by: Barbrady

I'm not impressed this time around. I'll leave it up to you guys..but no worries I won't be that guy that pisses and moans later about the lousy President having never voted.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by roccopd

McCain is the Man! He is 100% what this country needs. No nonsense!!!

Except when it comes to illegal aliens, then he's all nonsense.

Posted by: Barbrady

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

Except when it comes to illegal aliens, then he's all nonsense.

You got that right.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Now we know for sure about voting for Obama

Kerry to back Obama for president

AP - 9 minutes ago
MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. - Barack Obama has won the presidential endorsement of Sen. John Kerry, the Democrats' 2004 nominee who lost to George W. Bush.

Posted by: Inspector

Certainly makes my choice a lot easier.

Posted by: mikemac64

There's a big F.U. to Hillary Clinton and John Edwards. The politico's on TV said Kerry is pissed at luke warm Clinton (both Hill and Bill) support in 2004 and he never really liked Edwards.

Funny! This could cause Obama to lose Massachusetts.

Posted by: kwflatbed

More Pot Stirrers

Patrick has got Obama’s back: Characterizes N.H. loss as a near miss; says there’s still a long way to go

By LINDSEY PARIETTI
GateHouse News Service

BOSTON - A smiling Gov. Deval Patrick greeted the press before joining Barack Obama at a downtown fundraiser Wednesday, casting the Illinois senator’s second-place finish in New Hampshire as a near miss.

‘‘Look, we’re disappointed,’’ said Patrick, who has traveled to Iowa and New Hampshire to campaign for Obama.

‘‘We missed New Hampshire by a whisker, and we wanted to win it, but this is a long, long battle and there’s a long distance between where we are today and where we’re going.’’

After winning Iowa and overtaking Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire polls, Obama won 37 percent of the Granite State vote, conceding to Clinton’s 39 percent late Tuesday night.

Patrick, who was backstage at Obama’s primary night rally in Nashua, N.H., said Wednesday that it was important for the campaign to stay positive and convey its determination.

‘‘I was optimistic going in, but only cautiously so, the polls make me nervous ... It worries me that we call these things before the voters have gone into the voting booths,’’ Patrick said of the political pundits who had all but given the race to Obama earlier in the week.

Patrick offered little insight into how Obama’s lead in the polls translated into a two-point loss saying, ‘‘a lot has changed since Iowa ... and a tendency to analyze this thing on a minute-to-minute basis is something frankly we’ve just got to keep in perspective.’’

Obama bypassed local media yesterday, taking an elevator straight from the parking garage into the $1,000-a-plate luncheon in the city’s financial district.

U.S. Rep. William Delahunt, D-Quincy, called Obama an exciting candidate with a keen intellect and the ability to restore America’s credibility.

‘‘I think we all fell into the expectations game, and the polls indicated that he would win, but that wasn’t the case,’’ Delahunt said before attending the fundraiser.

Both Patrick and Delahunt expect the next few months will be a fight.

‘‘Because it’s a very insurgent campaign, it is up against the same old same old,’’ Patrick said. ‘‘We’re going to have to stay focused, we’re gonna have to keep our wits about us to take nothing and no one for granted.’’

http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news21.txt

Another e-mail that is floating around

Who is Barack Obama?

Something that should be considered when you make your choice.
If you do not ever forward anything else, please pass this to all
your contacts...it is very scary to think of what could lie ahead for us
here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.
We checked this out on "snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself.

Who is Barack Obama?
Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born
in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM
from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white Athiest from
Wichita, Kansas.
Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His
mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama
attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a
Catholic school.
Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also
attended Catholic school."
Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
that he is not a radical.
Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this
influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned
to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct
influence over his son's education.
Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school
in Jakarta.
Wahabism is the RADICAL ISLAMIC teaching that is followed by the muslim
terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since
it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major
public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he
DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.
Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegience nor
will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
candidacy.
The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
President of the United States, one of their own!!!!

Posted by: Barbrady

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp

Junk email sent:

Who is Barack Obama?

Very interesting and something that should be considered in your
choice.

If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all
your contacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us
here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.

We checked this out on ' snopes.com'. It is factual. Check for yourself.

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born
in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM
from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from
Wichita, Kansas.
Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
years ol d, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His
mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.?
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama
attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a
Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
quick to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also
attended Catholic school.'

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
that he is not a radical.

Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this
influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned
to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct
influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school
in Jakarta.
Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since
it is politically expedient to be a CH RISTIAN when seeking major
public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he
DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor
will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
President of the United States, one of their own!!! !

Please forward to everyone you know.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Obama is half white. His white mother raised him up and his black father took a hike back to Africa. However all we hear from him is how proud he is to be a black american. Well guess what I have never heard him mention anything about his white heritage, which leads me to believe he is indeed a racist. Let alone associating himself with Al Sharpton and Rev Jesse Jackson who base their whole being on racism staying alive. These people are dividers and not uniters. Obama is very very wrong for this country

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Posted by: Barbrady

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

These people are dividers and not uniters.

Very true, they make a living off of it.

Posted by: HB7220PD

OUR VIEW: Spreading lies about Obama

January 11, 2008 6:00 AM
Within the last two weeks, this newspaper has received three letters to the editor seeking to spread false, rabidly negative material circulating on the Internet about Sen. Barack Obama.
The accusations aren't small things: He attended a pro-terrorism madrassa; he took his oath of office on the Quran; he refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance or put his hand over his heart during the pledge. All are lies.
It's not uncommon for attacks and rumors to appear during a political campaign, but the lies about Obama are particularly insidious for a number of reasons. First and foremost, they capitalize on bias against Muslims and the fear of terrorism.
Let's look at some of the allegations. One of the first to emerge was the flap over the Pledge of Allegiance. A Time Magazine photograph from Sen. Tom Harkin's Iowa steak fry shows Sen. Obama, Sen. Hillary Clinton, Sen. Bill Richardson and Ruth Harkin standing during the national anthem. All but Sen. Obama have their right hand over their heart. The Web gossip typically misses two points: The photo was taken during the anthem, not the pledge, and failing to place his hand over his heart is not the same as "refusing" to do it as a matter of principle.
It's true that U.S. Code Title 36 says civilians should place the right hand over the heart during the national anthem. But look around at any sporting event. Many Americans have been taught only to stand at attention and sing; in some regions, custom actually dictates against doing anything else.
In any case, is that how this country wants to choose a president? True patriotism is defined by the courage to stand up for America's democratic ideals, not by flag-and-anthem etiquette.
Now to the Muslim issues. Sen. Obama is not Muslim. He took his oath of office on a Bible — his own. He belongs to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. But more to the point, painting him as a terrorist sympathizer fans the flames of both religious hate and racism, since the supposed Muslim connection to Sen. Obama stems from his African father. The senator has said his father was born a Muslim. His stepfather, too, was raised a Muslim, but the senator was raised outside of any particular faith tradition by a mother who did not participate in organized religion. He embraced Christianity in his 20s.
The religious intolerance is palpable in one anonymous chain e-mail. It puts in all-capital letters multiple uses of the words "Muslim," "radical" and "atheist" (the latter intended to deride Sen. Obama's mother).
Yet another allegation says Sen. Obama attended a madrassa, a Muslim school, that preached terrorism. That, too, is blatantly false.
How do we know this, you ask? Respected news organizations and others have done the research.
One of the best sites for ferreting out Internet lies is Politifact.com, run by Congressional Quarterly and the St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times, home of the Poynter Institute, a well-respected center for journalism education. Other sites exist, too, like FactCheck.org, a nonprofit project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania.
Politifact.com features a "truth-o-meter" that gives some of the lies about Sen. Obama mentioned here its worst rating: an image of the meter engulfed in flames and registering the words "pants on fire."
Liar liar, indeed. Sen. Obama spent a few years of his childhood in Indonesia, his stepfather's homeland, but attended a public school. Politifact reports that CNN, the Associated Press, the Los Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune visited the school and interviewed former teachers and students who were there when the young Barack attended. They found that religion was only a small part of the curriculum. According to Politifact, the Tribune even reported the school was "so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas."
Miniskirts, of course, are not required for the presidency. But on-your-sleeve Christianity, it seems, is a requirement in the eyes of many xenophobes who forward the anonymous e-mails.
The worst part of this smear campaign against Sen. Obama is that some readers believe virtually anything they see on the Internet, or at least feel no obligation to verify the material before passing it on.

Posted by: kwflatbed

"OUR VIEW: Spreading lies about Obama"

More BULLSHIT from the Sub-Standard Times Of New Bedford

Posted by: mpd61

I am leaning toward McCain because the 2nd amendment is my primary concern, more so than immigration (close 2nd though)
I would have to grudgingly vote for Romney, were he to get the nomination. I lost a state job due to his restructuring actions, but still think he's better than the socialist ilk of Clinton and Obama. Hell, even Edwards seems balanced for a dumocrat. Unfortunately, we'll be facing off against the Wellesly Wonder Woman, and the inexperienced clown.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

I thought Fred Thompson was going to be a great choice however I found out he is bought and paid for by big business. This was apparent when he was asked about oil companies making hug profits. He stated they can and should make as much money as they want. Are you freakin kidding me!!!!

Posted by: resqjyw0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

I thought Fred Thompson was going to be a great choice however I found out he is bought and paid for by big business. This was apparent when he was asked about oil companies making hug profits. He stated they can and should make as much money as they want. Are you freakin kidding me!!!!

That afterall is the American way. As much as we are all pissed off about the prices we pay for oil and gas, we do live in a capitalist society. I am just pissed off at the oil companies because they are nothing but assholes knowing damn well what they're doing to us charging the prices that they are.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Romney won Michigan!!!! Yuppie (what the fuck has the republican party come to)

My three concerns are
1 National security (without tearing up the US Constitution)
2 Taxes
3 Illegal Immigration not legal immigration which is vital to our economy
4 Oil prices!!! look for alternatives
5 Unity rather then diversity
6 Cure for baldness

Posted by: SpringfieldBoy

You have to give McCain credit for his time in a tiger-cage !

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

Romney won Michigan!!!! Yuppie (what the fuck has the republican party come to)

My three concerns are
1 National security (without tearing up the US Constitution)
2 Taxes
3 Illegal Immigration not legal immigration which is vital to our economy
4 Oil prices!!! look for alternatives
5 Unity rather then diversity
6 Cure for baldness

No Kidding! I'm there with ya!

What's this crap now they're trying to say McCain "gave up" and talked to the enemy? Ya right!!!

Posted by: JoninNH

I was going to vote for Fred, but when the primary came to NH I voted for Mitt. I don't trust McCain... McCain-Fiengold was enough of a reason for me.

Posted by: SpringfieldBoy

John McCain is a genuine war hero; any man that survived 5 1/2 years of captivity, including torture and solitary confinement, is deserving of our respect. To have survived such an ordeal, and still kept one's sanity and ambition, is nothing short of a miracle. Consider also the the fact that he was given the opportunity by the VC for release out of respect for his fathers position.

I also view McCain-Feingold as an unacceptable infringement upon First Amendment rights. McCain has some glaring faults....but, so do the rest of them.

Posted by: daveh

Hillary Clinton! YEEEEEOOOOOOOO!

Posted by: JoninNH

I respect John McCain... I just don't think he's the man to run the country.

Posted by: chevy84

Mccain is a liberal plain and simple. If you want a democrat that poses as a republican vote mccain. If you want more taxes vote mccain. Mccain is one of 2 replublicans to vote against president bushes tax cuts. He stood with his arm around Ted Kennedy and stood for giving all the illegals amnesty. Mccain Feingold?? Where does it end with this guy. If you are a true replublican you will not vote for Mccain. You want more taxes so the illegals can have free schooling hes your man.

Mccain is a war hero this man went thru hell for this country. I give him all the credit in the world for this. This is one true great american.

Posted by: Loyal

The worst Republican is better than the best demorat. IrishWamp, the government makes far more money per gallon of gasoline than the oil companies do. Excessive taxes... look at the info on the pump regarding the State and Fed taxes that are added to the cost of gas next time you get fuel.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Romney wins in Nevada

McCain is a war hero "Thank You" however it does not qualify him to be President....

Posted by: SpringfieldBoy

What doses qualify someone to be President?

Posted by: resqjyw0

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpringfieldBoy

What doses qualify someone to be President?

Having the most votes at the end of the night of November 4, 2008, for sure.

But just because someone meets the qualifications for a job doesn't mean they're the best person for the job either.

Posted by: kttref

Everyone should just write me in.

Posted by: JoninNH

You're constitutionally too young... otherwise you and Gil would have my vote. I wonder how long it will be before we have a ex-cop as president?

Posted by: kttref

...screw the constitution!! everyone else is lately...just vote me in!

Um...and don't let Gil fool you by the way, he's old enough!

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoninNH

I wonder how long it will be before we have a ex-cop as president?

Already happened Theodore Roosevelt

Posted by: JoninNH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

Already happened Theodore Roosevelt

Touche`. I stand happily corrected.

Posted by: SpringfieldBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

McCain is a war hero "Thank You" however it does not qualify him to be President....

You’re correct….but it helps. Doubt it? Just going on the loosely defined "hero" status we have the following.....

George Washington
Ulysses S. Grant
Theodore Roosevelt
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy

....military service in general adds a lot more to the list.

I think that being able to make the a decision and stick to it is a "heroic" trait to be desired in a president. We are at war and the next president whomever it is ,will be a wartime president. McCain IS qualified there. He is also willing to put his very own son on the line as a Marine Corps, 2nd LT in Iraq.

Any other candidates holding these qualifications?

Posted by: Harley387

I found this on the Gun Owners Of America web page. Springfieldboy may be interested.

John McCain's Gun Control Problem
by John Velleco
Director of Federal Affairs
In 2000, Andrew McKelvey, the billionaire founder of monster.com, threw a sizable chunk of his fortune into the gun control debate.
It was shortly after the Columbine school shooting. Bill Clinton was in the White House and gun control was daily front-page news. McKelvey wanted in.
He started out contributing to Handgun Control Inc., which had since been renamed the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. But while he agreed with their gun banning goals, McKelvey thought the way they packaged their message was too polarizing.
"I told them that Handgun Control was the wrong name. I thought what they were doing was great but I thought it could be done differently," McKelvey said.
So McKelvey struck out on his own and formed Americans for Gun Safety. Although AGS shared almost identical public policy goals as other anti-gun groups, McKelvey portrayed the group as in the 'middle' on the issue and attempted to lure pro-gun advocates into his fold.
To pull it off, he needed a bipartisan coalition with credibility on both sides of the gun debate. On the anti-gun side, the task was easy. Most of the Democrats and a small but vocal minority of Republicans supported President Clinton's gun control agenda.
Finding someone who could stake a claim as a pro-gunner and yet be willing to join McKelvey was not so easy. Enter Senator John McCain.
McCain's star was already falling with conservatives. He had carved out a niche as a 'maverick' as the author of so-called Campaign Finance Reform (more aptly named the incumbent protection act), which was anathema to conservatives but made him a darling of the mainstream media.
Gun owners were outraged over CFR, but McCain still maintained some credibility on the gun issue.
Earlier in his career, McCain had voted against the Clinton crime bill (which contained a ban on so-called assault weapons), and he did not join the 16 Senate Republicans who voted for the Brady bill, which required a five-day waiting period for the purchase of a handgun.
But as he ramped up for his presidential run in 2000, McCain, expanding on the 'maverick' theme, staked out a position on guns far to the left of his primary opponent, George W. Bush.
McCain began speaking out against small, inexpensive handguns and he entertained the idea of supporting the 'assault weapons' ban. His flirtation with anti-Second Amendment legislation quickly led to a political marriage of convenience with McKelvey.
Within months of the formation of AGS, McCain was featured in radio and television ads in Colorado and Oregon supporting initiatives to severely regulate gun shows and register gun buyers. Anti-gunners were ecstatic to get McCain on board.
Political consultant Scott Reed, who managed Bob Dole's presidential campaign in 1996, hoped McCain would "bring a conservative perspective to the gun debate."
The ads not only pushed the anti-gun show measure in those two states, they also served to undermine the efforts of gun rights activists who were furiously lobbying against the same type of bill in Congress.
"I think that if the Congress won't act, the least I can do is support the initiative in states where it's on the ballot," McCain said in an interview.
At the time still a newcomer to the gun control debate, McCain said, "I do believe my view has evolved."
McCain continued to pursue his anti-gun agenda even after his presidential run ended, and the next year he and McKelvey made it to the big screen.
As moviegoers flocked to see Pearl Harbor, they were treated to an anti-gun trailer ad featuring McCain. This time the Senator was pushing legislation to force people to keep firearms locked up in the home.
"We owe it to our children to be responsible by keeping our guns locked up," McCain told viewers.
Economist and author John Lott, Jr., noted, "No mention was ever made by McCain about using guns for self-defense or that gunlocks might make it difficult to stop intruders who break into your home. And research indicates that McCain's push for gunlocks is far more likely to lead to more deaths than it saves."
Also in 2001, McCain went from being a supporter of anti-gun bills to being a lead sponsor.
Pro-gun allies in Congress who were holding off gun show legislation -- which would at best register gun owners and at worst close down the shows entirely -- were angered when McCain teamed up with Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT) and introduced a "compromise" bill to give the issue momentum.
"There is a lot of frustration. He has got his own agenda," one Republican Senator told Roll Call.
After September 11, 2001, McKelvey and McCain, now joined by Lieberman, had a new angle to push gun control.
"Terrorists are exploiting the gun show loophole," AGS ads hyped. McCain and Lieberman hit the airwaves again in a series of radio and TV spots, thanks to McKelvey's multi-million dollar investment.
A Cox News Service article noted that, "The ads first focused on gun safety but switched to terrorism after Sept. 11. Americans for Gun Safety said the switch is legitimate."
However, Second Amendment expert Dave Kopel pointed out that, "the McCain-Lieberman bill is loaded with poison pills which would allow a single appointed official to prevent any gun show, anywhere in the United States from operating."
Ultimately, the anti-gun legislation was killed in the Congress and AGS fizzled out and disappeared altogether. The issues for which McKelvey spent over $10 million are still in play, however, and John McCain remains a supporter of those causes. In fact, as recently as 2004, McCain was able to force a vote on a gun show amendment.
In the post-Columbine and post-9/11 environments, the Second Amendment was under attack as never before. Pro-gun patriotic Americans who stood as a bulwark to keep the Congress from eviscerating the Constitution were dismayed to look across the battle lines only to see Senator McCain working with the enemy. John McCain tried running for president in 2000 as an anti-gunner. This year it appears he is seeking to "come home" to the pro-gun community, but the wounds are deep and memories long.
See also: GOA compendium of McCain's gun control record.

Much more info on Mccain here.

http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

Posted by: SpringfieldBoy

Harley,

Let's get behind somebody that can win....our worst case senairo is a Clintion /Obama ticket.

Some contrary info on McCain.

Prosecute criminals, not citizens for gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Don't hold gun manufacturers liable for crimes. (Sep 2007)
Opposes restrictions on assault weapons and ammunition types. (Sep 2007)
Ban cheap guns; require safety locks; for gun show checks. (Aug 1999)
Supports ban on certain assault weapons. (Aug 1999)
Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999)
Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)
Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights. (May 1999)
Youth Violence Prevention Act restricts guns for kids. (May 1999)
Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use. (Jul 199
Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 199

Posted by: Harley387

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpringfieldBoy

Harley,

Let's get behind somebody that can win....our worst case senairo is a Clintion /Obama ticket.

Some contrary info on McCain.

Prosecute criminals, not citizens for gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Don't hold gun manufacturers liable for crimes. (Sep 2007)
Opposes restrictions on assault weapons and ammunition types. (Sep 2007)
Ban cheap guns; require safety locks; for gun show checks. (Aug 1999)
Supports ban on certain assault weapons. (Aug 1999)
Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999)
Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)
Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights. (May 1999)
Youth Violence Prevention Act restricts guns for kids. (May 1999)
Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use. (Jul 199
Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 199

My personal opinion (and the opinion of most gun owners groups) is that McCain is more of a Democrat in sheep's clothing. If you look at the link I provided, it becomes quite clear that McCain is only doing what he has to in order to get on the Republican ticket. I can't help but use the 2nd amendment as a barometer for a candidate's political bearing. That being said, I think that Huckabee would be a much better candidate. This whole "get behind someone who can win" ideal is a bad idea. If you subscribe to that, your only allowing yourself to be spoonfed political opinions by the liberal media. THAT can never be good. Vote for the RIGHT candidate. Not the media's POPULAR candidate.

Posted by: JoninNH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley387

My personal opinion (and the opinion of most gun owners groups) is that McCain is more of a Democrat in sheep's clothing. If you look at the link I provided, it becomes quite clear that McCain is only doing what he has to in order to get on the Republican ticket. I can't help but use the 2nd amendment as a barometer for a candidate's political bearing. That being said, I think that Huckabee would be a much better candidate. This whole "get behind someone who can win" ideal is a bad idea. If you subscribe to that, your only allowing yourself to be spoonfed political opinions by the liberal media. THAT can never be good. Vote for the RIGHT candidate. Not the media's POPULAR candidate.

Posted by: SpringfieldBoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley387

Vote for the RIGHT candidate. Not the media's POPULAR candidate.

I agree with you....but, then again I'm not voting for Obama or Romney am I?

Posted by: resqjyw0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley387

Vote for the RIGHT candidate. Not the media's POPULAR candidate.

Well in that case, when Election Day comes I may not be voting for anyone because the "right canidate" may not be on the ballot. We live in Massachusetts anyway (at least most of us do), so its not like our votes count anyway. The electoral votes from this state always go to the Democratic candidate. I am going to vote anyway that way I have the right to bitch about what happens afterwards.

I wasn't aware of McCain's past history with Gun Control. I was only aware his Pro-Gun stance now. Now I believe McCain is as bad as the rest of the Republicans. But the worst R is still better than the best D.

Posted by: JoninNH

I am voting for Romney.

Posted by: kwflatbed

From The Sunday Times
January 20, 2008

Women turn on ‘traitor’ Oprah Winfrey for backing Barack Obama

Oprah fans leave a barrage of negative messages on her official website in response to the talk show host's support of Obama

Tony Allen-Mills, New York

Bill Clinton claims vote rigging | HIllary wins Nevada | US elections blog | Clinton/Obama swap poison | McCain wins SC

AMERICA’S favourite television presenter is paying a painful price for her intervention in the US presidential campaign last month. Oprah Winfrey has been dubbed a “traitor” by some of her female fans for supporting Barack Obama instead of Hillary Clinton.
Winfrey’s website, Oprah.com, has been flooded with a barrage of abuse since the queen of daytime chat shows joined Obama on a tour of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina in mid-December.
Her intervention was widely credited with broadening Obama’s national appeal - especially among women - and with helping him to an upset victory over Clinton in the first vote of the election year in Iowa.
Yet a backlash by Clinton supporters appears to have prompted a rethink by Winfrey, the African-American media titan who is routinely described as the most influential woman on television.
She did not reappear in the final days before the New Hampshire primary - which Obama lost to Clinton - and has been absent from the most recent campaigning in South Carolina, which votes next weekend.
Obama aides believe that Winfrey will return to the campaign. Her own staff noted last week that in addition to her daily broadcasts on television and satellite radio, she has also been busy negotiating a multi-million-dollar deal with the Discovery cable network to create her own television channel, the Oprah Winfrey Network.
Yet Obama’s rivals suspect that Winfrey has been startled by the virulent reaction to her previous campaign appearance.
It started with a message on her website entitled “Oprah is a traitor” and rapidly expanded to include several discussions that attracted hundreds of comments.
In the original post, a reader called austaz68 said she “cannot believe that women all over this country are not up in arms over Oprah’s backing of Obama. For the first time in history we actually have a shot at putting a woman in the White House and Oprah backs the black MAN. She’s choosing her race over her gender.”
In a subsequent comment, 2nurselady wrote: “I don’t think Oprah is a ‘traitor’, but I do think she may be alienating a lot of her fans.”
Others have accused Winfrey of racism for siding with Obama when such a well qualified woman as Clinton was running.
Winfrey has built her career on empathising with women’s issues and offering a daily diet of redemption and hope. Her show typically focuses on women who have suffered but survived.
So hostile has the response been that some suspect dirty tricks. “All the rude and hateful messages on here can’t be from Oprah fans,” another visitor noted. “Someone’s campaign (wonder who?) is sabotaging the message boards.”
Winfrey received a rapturous reception when she campaigned with Obama last month. Yet several analysts warned that she might adversely affect his chances.
Steve Ross, a history professor at the University of Southern California, said: “The moment a star opens their mouth and endorses one candidate, they alienate half their viewership.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3216586.ece

Posted by: JoninNH

Oprah, give away some more cars! Everybody will love you if you gave away some more cars! I could go for a new supercab truck!

Posted by: kttref

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoninNH

Oprah, give away some more cars! Everybody will love you if you gave away some more cars! I could go for a new supercab truck!

No you got it all wrong...

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoninNH

Oprah, give Kate a car...she deserves a nice new Honda CR-V...in red.

That's better.

Posted by: Andy0921

Don't get a Jap car, Kate!

Posted by: kttref

I'm done with American cars...they f'n break all the time. My hubby and the rest of my families have honda's now and have not had problems. So that's what I'm going with next (in like 3-5 years...when I run my piece of crap into the ground).

Posted by: Andy0921

New American vehicles hold up just as well and a lot of times better than new Jap cars. To tell you the truth, from about 2001-2005,I really wasn't impressed with what American car companies were offering. However, the American car companies are making a comeback. If you're in the market for something the size of the CRV, I suggest checking out the Ford Edge; a buddy of mine has it and he loves it. The Ford Fusion is also cool little car that has had great reliability; better than the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord. I'm also very impressed with Chevy's new lineup. Don't listen to "Consumer Distorts". Just my 2 cents.

Back on topic; Like many others, I'm not very pleased with any of the candidates. I'll vote for the Republican who gets the the nomination. As Kozmo said;"half a conservative is better than a marxist".

Posted by: Delta784

Repeat after me;

MITT ROMNEY SAVED THE QUINN BILL.

Posted by: JoninNH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

Repeat after me;

MITT ROMNEY SAVED THE QUINN BILL.

MITT ROMNEY SAVED THE QUINN BILL. - MITT ROMNEY SAVED THE QUINN BILL.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

"Mitt Romney didn't sign my contract" "Mitt Romney didn't sign my contract" "Mitt Romney didn't sign my contract"

Posted by: JoninNH

Neither did the Sheriff! Neither did the Sheriff! Neither did the Sheriff!

Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

The following "speech" was written recently by an ordinary Maineiac [a resident of the People's Republic of Maine]. While satirical in nature, all satire must have a basis in fact to be effective. This is an excellent piece by a person who does not write for a living.

The speech George W. Bush SHOULD give:

Normally, I start these things out by saying "My Fellow Americans." Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don't know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you're really not fellow Americans any longer.

I'll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: There's been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office.

The reason I'm quitting is simple. I'm fed up with you people. I'm fed up because you have no understanding of what's really going on in the world. Or of what's going on in this once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too damned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.

Let's start local. You've been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media. Polls show that the majority of you think the economy is in the tank. And that's despite record numbers of homeowners, including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners. And while we're mentioning minorities, I'll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high. Our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the Clinton administration. I've mentioned all those things before, but it doesn't seem to have sunk in.

Despite the shock to our economy of 9/11, the stock market has rebounded to record levels and more Americans than ever are participating in these markets. Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too damn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there's increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.

We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this "blood for oil" thing. If I were trading blood for oil I would've already seized Iraq 's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don't give me this 'Bush Lied; People Died' crap either. If I were the liar you morons take me for, I could've easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be 'discovered.' Instead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty.

Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office. Some guy named 'Clinton' established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you?

You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to out spend and out-tech them.

That's not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don't care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That'd be fine, as long as they weren't also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can. But they are. They want to kill you, and the bastards are all over the globe.

You should be grateful that they haven't gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you're not. That's because you've got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement, and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that. When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I'm disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of 'Survivor.'

Instead, you've grown impatient. You're incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do. You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.

Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time you send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat's political campaign, well, dang it, you might just as well FedEx a grenade launcher to a Jihadist. It amounts to the same thing.

In this day and age, it's easy enough to find the truth. It's all over the Internet. It just isn't on the pages of the New York Times or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you'd be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol.

I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bail you out, even if you're too stupid to leave a city that's below sea level and has a hurricane approaching.

I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I've come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.

So I quit. I'm going back to Crawford. I've got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient. No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I'm done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.

Oh, and by the way, Cheney's quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it. Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there are just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.

So that's it. God bless what's left of America. Some of you know what I mean. The rest of you, kissoff.

Posted by: Loyal

repeat after me: "Real men vote Republican", "Parasites and whiners vote demorat",... Romney all the way.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Eventhough the mother F*^Ker (Mitt Robme) didn't sign my contract I still think he's the best man for the Presidency

Posted by: JoninNH

+1

Posted by: omd

Ron Paul

Mike Huckabee

John McCain

Romney and any Democrat

Posted by: dcs2244

Gotta go with Mitt...McCain is a democrat with an "R" after his name...if its McCain/Obama in the general, I'll be voting for Obi...sure, he's a commie but at least he's on the level about it, unlike McCain the liar.

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Posted by: djbfc

McCain for now.

Posted by: OCKS

E. None of the above

Posted by: dcs2244

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Originally Posted by OCKS

E. None of the above

Too right, OCKS. But since that isn't an option in the primaries, vote MITT. I reckon he'll do the least damage. If he doesn't get the nod, vote a right-in. McCain is Hillary in-a-suit...and remember, Frank Sinatra is dead and unable to stop the "Manchurian Candidate"

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Posted by: kttref

I can't vote tomorrow...but comes November I'm writing me in

I have about 10 people in my PD saying they're gonna write me in too!

Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

KATE FOR PRESIDENT!.....works for me

Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Originally Posted by justanotherparatrooper

KATE FOR PRESIDENT!.....works for me

well, she's better than Hillary.

Posted by: Andy0921

Not by much.

Posted by: USMCMP5811

but, she's better looking...lol

Posted by: kttref

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Originally Posted by andy0921

Not by much.

Brat!

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCMP5811

but, she's better looking...lol

Thank you Ken

Posted by: dcs2244

I voted for the Mitt on the way home...but if he isn't "The Guy" in November, I'm voting Kate!

Posted by: Wolfman

Since all the remaining candidates either suck or are unelectable, I'm leaning towards giving my vote to whoever will fuck up the country the most and turn it into a commie socialist dump the quickest.

Sometimes it's easier to just yank off a band-aid instead of peeling it away slowly.

Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

Since all the remaining candidates either suck or are unelectable, I'm leaning towards giving my vote to whoever will fuck up the country the most and turn it into a commie socialist dump the quickest.

Sometimes it's easier to just yank off a band-aid instead of peeling it away slowly.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

I thought this county was already fucked up, socialistic, cesspool of modern times soon to colapse and drown in its own filth

Posted by: KozmoKramer

Well, we needed to be Carterized before we were resur-Reaganed right?
Maybe 4 years of a Socialist, over-spending, overtaxing, soft on crime, soft on illegal immigration, moonbat administration is just what the doctor ordered...
Whats the worst that can happen anyway?

Oh yeah...

Posted by: Delta784

Looks like I'll be holding my nose while I vote for McCain this November. He's going to flood the country with another 100 or so million people who can't speak English and have no job skills, but at least we'll have private firearms with which to defend ourselves.

Obama & Clinton will open the borders, AND take your guns for good measure.

I still can't believe that the majority of the Republicans in this country are buying McCain's crap.

Posted by: justanotherparatrooper

DAmn....556 ammo is gonna get harder to get now!

Posted by: Mitpo62

My wise old grandfather once said it was ill advised to speak of politics and religion in public. Well, with that said I will vote for whomever, Republican or Democrat, has a serious well informed plan to bring our sons and daughters home from the Middle East and a plan to right this sinking economic ship.

Posted by: ninety_four_c

Just wanted to know who you voted for yesterday?

Posted by: KozmoKramer

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Originally Posted by Delta784

I still can't believe that the majority of the Republicans in this country are buying McCain's crap.

I've been saying that for months Bruce, it's unbelievably demoralizing.
Many of his positions on the issues are as contrary to mine as Hillary's are.
Folks don't have to listen to the pundits, they don't have to listen to the campaign ads, they don't have to listen to Rush Gasbag.
I just wish those identified as Republicans and more especially; Conservatives would review his Congressional voting record before casting their vote.

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes

Most especially;
McCain-Daschle; Vote Against 2003 Bush Tax Cuts
Motion to Waive CBA Stabenow Amdt. No 2358 (Illegal Aliens qualifying for Social Security benefits.)
Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (H.R.2356)
Invoking Cloture and limiting Illegal Immigration Debate S. 1639, S. 1348
McCain-Kennedy Amnesty Bill S. 2611

SA 4188 for S.2611; The "Manager's Amendment" included a provision that requires consultation with the government of Mexico concerning the construction of additional fencing and related border security structures along the international border between the United States and Mexico.
This virtually guaranteed the fence along the U.S.-Mexico border would never be completed.

Gang of 14 Filibuster, his position on Constructionist Judges, which interrogation techniques of terrorist suspects are considered torture,
and an F- grade from GOA and C+ grade from the NRA re the 2cd Amendment.
http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

Posted by: dcs2244

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Originally Posted by KozmoKramer

Oh yeah...

Koz, just what does the Crypt Keeper have to do with this subject? Lets keep it on-topic, people!

Posted by: resqjyw0

Romney exits presidential race

Departure means McCain effectively seals GOP nomination

Former Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass., and his wife Ann walk away after he
dropped out of the presidential race at the American Conservative Union's
2008 Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, Thursday.

updated 1 hour, 20 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - John McCain effectively sealed the Republican presidential nomination on Thursday as chief rival Mitt Romney suspended his faltering campaign. "I must now stand aside, for our party and our country," Romney told conservatives.

"If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror," Romney told the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington.

Romney's decision leaves McCain as the top man standing in the GOP race, with Mike Huckabee and Texas Rep. Ron Paul far behind in the delegate hunt. It was a remarkable turnaround for McCain, who some seven months ago was barely viable, out of cash and losing staff. The four-term Arizona senator, denied his party's nomination in 2000, was poised to succeed George W. Bush as the GOP standard-bearer.

Commenting on his front-runner status - a title he had and lost last year - McCain told the conference, "This time I now have that distinction and I prefer to hold onto it for quite a while."

McCain and Romney spoke by phone after Romney's speech, though no endorsement was requested nor offered, according to a Republican official with knowledge of the conversation.

Super Tuesday troubles
McCain prevailed in most of the Super Tuesday states, moving closer to the 1,191 delegates needed to win the nomination at this summer's convention in St. Paul, Minn. Overall, McCain led with 707 delegates, to 294 for Romney, 195 for Huckabee and Paul at 14.

Romney suspended his campaign, allowing him to hold onto his delegates. However, if McCain secures their support - combined with his own delegates - he would be nearly at the magic number and Huckabee would be mathematically eliminated. It is unlikely Romney would throw his support to Huckabee; the animosity between the two has pervaded the GOP race.

Romney launched his campaign almost a year ago in his native Michigan. The former Massachusetts governor and venture capitalist invested more than $40 million of his own money into the race, counted on early wins in Iowa and New Hampshire that never materialized and won just seven states on Super Tuesday, mostly small caucus states.

McCain took the big prizes of New York and California.

"This is not an easy decision for me. I hate to lose. My family, my friends and our supporters ... many of you right here in this room ... have given a great deal to get me where I have a shot at becoming president. If this were only about me, I would go on. But I entered this race because I love America," Romney said.

There were shouts of astonishment, with some moans and others yelling, "No, No."

Romney responded, "You guys are great."

Romney claimed he was the true conservative in the race while McCain has been criticized by some on the right. McCain acknowledged the rocky relationship.

"I am acutely aware that I cannot succeed in that endeavor, nor can our party prevail over the challenge we will face from either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama, without the support of dedicated conservatives," McCain said in prepared remarks to the same conference.

Romney acknowledged the obstacles to beating McCain.

"As of today, more than 4 million people have given me their vote for president, that's of course, less than Senator McCain's 4.7 million, but quite a statement nonetheless. Eleven states have given me their nod, compared to his 13. Of course, because size does matter, he's doing quite a bit better with the number of delegates he's got," Romney said.

The long and windy road
The Huckabee campaign said the former Arkansas governor would push on.
"We're still in the race and we're still competing for delegates, and today demonstrates how long and windy to the White House this is," said Chip Saltsman, Huckabee's campaign manager.

Romney's departure from the race came almost a year after his formal entrance, when the Michigan native declared his candidacy on Feb. 12, 2007, at the Henry Ford Museum of Innovation in Dearborn, Mich.

Over the ensuing 12 months, Romney sought the support of conservatives with a family values campaign, emphasizing his opposition to abortion and gay marriage, as well as his support for tax cuts and health insurance that would benefit middle-class families.

"We need to teach our children that before they have babies, they get married," he told voters at his campaign events.

But he was dogged by charges of flip-flopping, a criticism that undermined the candidacy of another Massachusetts hopeful - John Kerry in 2004. In seeking to unseat Sen. Edward M. Kennedy in 1994, Romney said he would be a better advocate for gay rights than his rival and he favored abortion rights.

CONTINUED: Early victory

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23050678

Posted by: kttref

I gotta say...I'm very surprised. Now it's def. gonna be stupid McCain.

Posted by: KozmoKramer

I find it very telling, that 2 days before McCamnesty addresses CPAC he's all of a sudden for making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, Constructionist Judges, and enforcing illegal immigration law. Anyone believe this leopard changed his spots??? Give me a break.

Posted by: Inspector

You know guys...McCain and Romney are both guilty of flip flopping on issues just to get the votes. It's all about power and money and not anything about truth and saying it like it is. That is why I would never believe anything tha