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Posted by: John J

At the MA PAT test, Do you have to climb over a five foot wall or a six foot wall?
Thanks.

Posted by: WaterPistola

should be on the Mass CS website and video.

Posted by: JaneDoe

http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=hrdtopic...rvice&sid=Ehrd

Posted by: frank

The wall is only something like 4 feet now...

If you're lucky, you get a warning not to hurdle it, as one on the instructors for the PAT tells you that people in the past have tried to do it, but some poor sod always ends up catching their foot on it and ends up doing a faceplant on the other side.

Posted by: WaterPistola

yeah i dont suggest hurdling a 4 foot wall unless you are an NBA superstar

Posted by: misconceived

If you've ever been out there then you know that it's not the wall you have to worry about.... it's the dirty ass floor by the cones.

Posted by: Hawgcop15

Didn't you hear?...they give you a chainsaw now and then you cut an opening on the wall and crawl through.

Posted by: COto50

The wall is 6ft tall. Listen to misconceived, worry more about your footing on the corners and the cones and less about the wall. The three 2x4s nailed to the side like a ladder will help you get over it.

Posted by: misconceived

Those damn 2x4s did nothing but take the skin off my shin.

Posted by: bean6180

How Challenging is the PAT overall? I watched the video and it doensn't look deadly, but it can be misleading... definitely signing up for one of the practice tests.

Posted by: scubasteve

Its really not that bad, as long as you're somewhat in shape. Just listen to what they tell you and they'll pretty much guide you through the entire thing. The heavy bags can be a little tricky if you don't do it like they tell you. Other than that, try and find some sneakers that have super glue on the bottom because that floor is like a hockey rink.

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by bean6180

How Challenging is the PAT overall? I watched the video and it doensn't look deadly, but it can be misleading... definitely signing up for one of the practice tests.

They removed the alligator pit years ago because of all the lawsuits.

Posted by: NBPD

Those have to be the worst floors I have ever ran on. Use the water machine for your sneakers before you go.. it will help with a little bit of grip. The air quality is also junk as well.

Posted by: Strideright

Doesn't matter...they built a ladder on the back side. Next, they will be lifting you over. What has this state come too!

Posted by: bean6180

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Originally Posted by 94c

They removed the alligator pit years ago because of all the lawsuits.

Dang... I was hoping for some excitement! Definitely going on the 3rd to practice. Thanks for the feedback. I'll wear my climbing shoes-they should help with traction.

Posted by: policelaborlaw.com

In response to a lawsuit I recently filed against the Human Resources Division, HRD has revised their Regulations for the Initial Medical and Physical Fitness Standards for Municipal Public Safety Personnel. The revisions focused on the diabetes mellitus category under the endocrine and metabolic system for police officer candidates. I successfully challenged the rule that automatically disqualified candidates who used insulin pumps. Now, candidates who use insulin pumps will be evaluated on a case-by case basis. You can download the new Medical Regulations for Initial and Physical Fitness Standards Tests for Municipal Public Safety Personnel from the News & Information section of Policelaborlaw.com or from the HRD Website.

Brian

Posted by: devilcop76

The air in there was horrible....I thought I had the Black Lung after I left the test

Posted by: emerlad

Has there always been an uncorrected eye standard?

Posted by: Badge

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Originally Posted by Strideright

Doesn't matter...they built a ladder on the back side. Next, they will be lifting you over. What has this state come too!

I don't want someone backing me up on the street that couldn't hop the wall without the steps. Prior to becoming full time I did the PAT on 3 separate occasions, and passed each one without steps. Lowering of standards can only lead to inadequate police officers.

Like Strideright said, they will continue to lower the standards so that anyone can become a police officer. Give them 6 months and a couple more law suits it will be "If you don't like the obstacle, just walk around it and continue on to the next one."

Posted by: SargeLorenzo

I took it, those floors do suck , extremely slippery. One guy busted his ass around the cones, lucky for him it was just his practice. The bags were easier to work than I expected and the dummy was heavier than expected. The majority of the females had trouble with the handcuffing simulator and lost time struggling with that, gotta work on that upper body strength.

Posted by: Macop

Why, like bagde said, a few more law suits and you can just walk around it.

Posted by: SolObsession

So clarify something please ... there are no pushups, situps, sit and reach, etc in this PAT, just the obstacle course, handcuffing, bag pull and dummy drag?

Posted by: USMCMP5811

exactly

Posted by: mcpd704

Yeah, compared to other states, it is pretty easy. I took it a few years back and I didnt have any problems at all with it, I know that a lot of females had trouble with the wall (5ft?) but I heard that they installed some sort of steps or something on the back to help them climb over it. I am going to be taking it again soon for a different dept and I am not overly concerned about it.

Posted by: afd414

tip: you have to crawl under a bar after the wall, slow down a little i hit it a little to fast and slipped up in the dust on the floor, resulting in smashing my left eyebrow against the floor.

Posted by: mikeyv7712

anyone for the Boston class starting in May get scheduled for the PAT yet?

Posted by: misconceived

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Originally Posted by afd414

tip: you have to crawl under a bar after the wall, slow down a little i hit it a little to fast and slipped up in the dust on the floor, resulting in smashing my left eyebrow against the floor.

Crawl? I used the dust to my advantage, Superman slide.

Posted by: USMCMP5811

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Originally Posted by misconceived

Crawl? I used the dust to my advantage, Superman slide.

Posted by: boysetsfire888

I gotta say this thing looks a little too easy. I have taken several tests in NH and passed everythign wtih ease except the bench press. I have always had a weak bench. I would get so angry because I work out a lot and can move some serious weight. I deadlift 350lbs, squat 250lbs, clean and jerk 175lbs and weigh around 190lbs. I just suck at bench. I have it to the point where next time a need to do it for a test I probably can but this thing is much easier in my opinion. good advice about the floor and whatnot in here, much appreciated.
They should make the wall higher with a rope to help over (american gladiators style). And walking up and down steps? Really? About how much do the dummies and the heavy bags weigh? Alos how much tension is on the hand cuff simulator?

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: WaterPistola

listen buddy, you can't bench but you want an american gladiators wall in the test? because in real life there are so many walls with ropes on them... anyway I suggest you work on tris and chest to improve your bench, best of luck to you.

Posted by: boysetsfire888

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Originally Posted by WaterPistola

listen buddy, you can't bench but you want an american gladiators wall in the test? because in real life there are so many walls with ropes on them... anyway I suggest you work on tris and chest to improve your bench, best of luck to you.

The gladiators thing was mostly a joke. I see what you mean about the rope. I just mean a 4 or 5ft wall seems a little easy for your average person. I do a lot of tricep work, a lot of pullups, dips etc. It is getting better but very slowly.....everything else increases as a much faster pace.

Posted by: AdamJ1984

I understand you situation, I weigh 200-205, and in comparison to the rest of my body, my shoulders and chest lag. They always have, even when I trained for amateur bodybuilding shows. My back, legs, and arms are where they should be. It all comes down to mixing up your routine to stimulate the muscle and having the adrenaline to push the weight. I have seen many people who can bench press a lot of weight, but either they use horrible form or use a lot of tricep extension to get it up. Focus on using your chest, just as you would your lats for pullups. Squats are brutal man, I am only 24 but to say I am getting old is the truth. My back is so busted up that I have to ice myself and put menthol on my back even before I hit the gym. I guess slamming out SLDL's for your first exercise doesn't help. Take care my man.

Posted by: cmagryan

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Originally Posted by AdamJ1984

I guess slamming out SLDL's for your first exercise doesn't help.

-I warned you, Snipe! See!!

Posted by: kttref

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Originally Posted by boysetsfire888

You a hardcore kid?

Regardless, look at this kid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Poundstone
He's a cop down here in CT...screwed up his bicep recently AND herniated a disk a couple years ago...but he worked to regain all his strength back and is back on the road and back winning shit.

For all those who are worried about the wall...don't be. I'm only slightly over 5' tall and was able to do both a 4ft wooden wall and a 6ft chain link fence no problem (here in CT)...not sure if we have the same handcuff simulator, but if you give psych yourself up for it...it's easy. At least here in CT it's really easy. Use your practice time well. Figure out the best technique. I discovered that going hard to get one arm down and then maintaining that hold and going hard on the other arm was the easiest thing for me.

Nothing trumps practice and determination. Period.

Posted by: SargeLorenzo

The bags are easier to move than they look, it seemed the biggest problem people had was seeing around them to locate the lines on the floor, no biggie. Only some of the women had any trouble with the cuffing simulator. Remember, pull one side at a time.

Posted by: boysetsfire888

thanks for the responses. I think the test looks easy as all hell. Now I just need to get a damn card!

Posted by: ride1620

Don't forget your back when it comes to improving your bench. Back is a major muscle when it come so your chesh, basically your whole upper body. That is why you see people with kyphosis..when their front part of their body is all hunched in. They do too much chest and they neglect to work out their back...

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