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Posted by: PBC FL Cop

Jail erroneously releases violent gang member

Allegedly the WCSO allowed a violent gang member to be bailed, although he had a federal detainer on him. The inmate Gary Myers AKA "Cowboy" was bailed and has not been heard from since. Myers is suppose to be an extremely violent drug dealer and gang leader from Jamaica, who was well known to the feds and Jamaican authorities. He was finally arrested in the Worcester on drug trafficking charges (Gary Myers, 26, of 16 Boardman St., Worcester, charged with distribution of cocaine, trafficking in cocaine, and conspiracy to violate a drug law, continued to Dec. 4 on $5,000 cash bail; two counts of distribution of cocaine and two counts of conspiracy to violate a drug law, continued to Dec. 4.) and was suppose to be turned over to the feds if bailed, however the jail allowed him to be bailed, somehow overlooking the fact he was wanted by the Feds and had a ICE detainer in place??

He was the subject of a Jamaican Star newspaper article as a result of his involvement as a gang leader in a violent Jamaican gang war. The following is the article where Myers is referred to as "Cowboy".

Jamaican Star

West dons at odds

A rift seems to have developed between two dons from west Kingston.
The rift is reportedly between Christopher 'Dudus' Coke, the don from Tivoli Gardens and an area leader from Denham Town known as 'Cowboy'.

Investigations have discovered that a long-standing disdain between the two, has now escalated as a result of an attack on the Denham Town Police Station last week, and the shooting up of a police service vehicle. Information reaching THE WEEKEND STAR indicate that Coke was not pleased at the incident, and since then a dispute of sorts has begun between him and 'Cowboy', who is the top man for an area in Denham town known as 'Shooters Hill'.

THE WEEKEND STAR understands that after the attack on the police station, 'Dudus' made attempts to counsel 'Cowboy' to maintain peace in the division. It is said, however, that instead of hearing what the 'President' had to say, Cowboy would 'tek no talk!'

Likkle dispute

THE WEEKEND STAR spoke to the 'rebel' don, who says he has taken a stance against 'outside elements' for his forgotten people in Denham Town. "Me an' him (Dudus) a nuh fren, tru a likkle dispute between me an' him from long time. Whole a wi a big man an' did link but, from mi ease offa certain tings, everyting jus change ... Nobody nah look out fi we, suh we a look out fi wiself an' nobody else. We nuh tek order from nobody," said Cowboy.
The 31-year-old don says the people of Denham Town have been forgotten, even referring to some new houses which were built in Denham Town, a work in which no one from the area was given employment.

False news
Efforts to contact Coke proved futile, but a close associate dismissed the rift as 'false news'. "That is false news ... What dem do over deh so is fi dem business. We nuh response fi dem," said the well-espected Tivoli Gardens community member, who strongly and aggressively advised THE WEEKEND STAR not to publish the story.
It is believed that because of this rift, Tivoli Gardens is no longer responsible for Denham Town, which residents say has resulted in the upsurge in violence in west Kingston. This upsurge is centred around Denham Town.
But even the head of the Denham Town Police Station, Superintendent Delroy Hewitt, confirms he has also received intelligence on the rift. "I heard of something to that nature, but that is not my prerogative ... Their social disagreement is their concern. My concern is crime management," said Supt. Hewitt. Hewitt says the police has no problems with 'Dudus', but wants to find 'Cowboy', who is wanted for escaping custody recently. He advised Cowboy to turn himself in to police.

But Cowboy says turning himself in would be a 'death wish', as the police seem to be strongly biased towards Tivoli Gardens, as was evident when they turned off a dance in Denham Town on Independence Day, but allowed one in Tivoli to continue.

Big tings
"Independence Day, big tings a gwaan roun' a Garden, an' we have a likkle ting a gi weh back to school tings ... We 'bout yah nuh know 'bout permit. We a keep dance twice a week an' permit ting neva come up till now ... Is sen dem get sen fi lock off di dance," charged Cowboy.
Hewitt says Cowboy's power stretches beyond Denham Town, as police have identified links with him and members of the 'Fatherless' gang from South St. Andrew.
Regardless of the cause of the recent upsurge in violence, police say they wish to see the area return to normality.
"Our area has been relatively quiet, it's just in the last two months there have been two headless bodies and a businessman being killed...it's just a few misguided youths in the area, the rest of Denham Town is not with them," said Hewitt.

Cowboy also advised those in his community who are "causing police to pressure Shooter's Hill," to "behave themselves."

"Everyting weh gwaan dem seh a Shooter's man...all when di balla get shot people a seh a drive-by from we, when dem hear when di man who a beat him uman tell di balla seh him a gu dun di balla career...Unu yout nowadays whe a grow up, yuh tink seh gangsta ting a bed a roses? Memba seh a who God love di most a live di longest," said Cowboy.

OOPS!!!

Posted by: exscrew

thats because they where to busy trying to figure out how to be cops instead of co's

Posted by: pahapoika

quick , to the mobile command center !

Posted by: kwflatbed

I wonder where the supertwins Otto and str8tshot52 were ?????

They would never make that kind of mistake

Posted by: exscrew

And these are the gus who try to justify working ouside the walls? Scary isn't it?

Posted by: Otto

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Originally Posted by exscrew

And these are the gus who try to justify working ouside the walls? Scary isn't it?

Are you suggesting that we were the "gus" responsible? If so, please tell us everything you know about how it happened.

Posted by: co2

Someones not checking paperork.Or not even doing a warrant check.

Posted by: exscrew

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Originally Posted by Otto

Are you suggesting that we were the "gus" responsible? If so, please tell us everything you know about how it happened.

I meant to spell guys. Sorry about the spelling error Otto. didn't mean to confuse you even more. After all there does seem to be alot of confusion in your dept. Good job letting the scumbag out though. Now was he tracked down by your crack k9 division? Or did you have to coordinate with other agencies to realize you guys totaly fucked upped?

Posted by: str8tshot52

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Originally Posted by exscrew

And these are the gus who try to justify working ouside the walls? Scary isn't it?

You're right, screw, if only we didn't have a mobile command center and K-9 unit, THEN we would achieve perfection in record-keeping. How you made that connection is nothing short of pure genius.

I'd love to live in your world, screw, where everything is so black and white. It must be a simple, and happy, place.

Posted by: exscrew

Stra8hack just admit that you and your bought and paid for do nothing desk jocky's know nothing about running a correctional facility. Your just too concerned with who else can get on board the gravy train and what other useless toys you can swindle the state out of to see that your just not capable of doing the job. It is realy very simple and you hacks are forever trying to justify your disgusting exsitance by making it look like your so much smarter than the rest of the world. My god! how in the world did we ever function before you guys bought your way in?

Posted by: str8tshot52

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Originally Posted by exscrew

Stra8hack just admit that you and your bought and paid for do nothing desk jocky's know nothing about running a correctional facility. Your just too concerned with who else can get on board the gravy train and what other useless toys you can swindle the state out of to see that your just not capable of doing the job. It is realy very simple and you hacks are forever trying to justify your disgusting exsitance by making it look like your so much smarter than the rest of the world. My god! how in the world did we ever function before you guys bought your way in?

Dang, screw...did you do a little time and get roughed up by a CO or something? LOT of anger there....

Do nothing jobs? I invite you to come on by the facility, have a look for yourself. While you're at it, tell the guys on the line that their jobs are "do nothing".

Not real sure how you came to hate WCSO employees so much, but there's nothing I can do about that. Tell yourself whatever you have to....

Posted by: kttref

It's one thing to disagree with what happened...it's another thing to start making attacks at people.

Clearly this was a mistake...but let's keep it civil, and let's not all start attacking one another please.

Posted by: exscrew

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Originally Posted by str8tshot52

LOL oh boy! hey Stragthack I'm a retired co with more time in the head than you probably have inside. I have nothing but respect for every hard working Co any where.
what I can't respect and never will are hacks and polititions who try to buy their way into these jobs ruining it for every stand up guy who deserves the job. I'm very close with several WCSO co's and they all share the same hatred for you admin hacks who could care less about the job they do inside.
For you to even mention those guys on the line as you put it is simply insulting because based on all your previous post it's clear to everyone that you have spent very little time " on the line".
And with that i'm done with stra8thack

Posted by: str8tshot52

If you really did put in your time at the jail, then I can respect that.

You think you've got your finger on the pulse of the entire CO population? You think you've got it all figured out? I guess retirement has that effect on people.

But I'll tell you this, from the guys I talk to, things have never been better at the jail....MUCH better than they were under Flynn, that's for damn sure.

If saying that makes me a hack, then fine....call me all the names you want.

Posted by: lawdog671

I invite you to come on by the facility, have a look for yourself. While you're at it, tell the guys on the line that their jobs are "do nothing".
So who do we ask for when we get there??...Can't really say Str8sht from Masscops invited me.....so I'm thinking maybe now Str8 you can tell us all if we're correct in assuming you're Glodis or Turco....since you offered anyways..lol...and that's not what was written....he said office hacks not CO'S....don't lump the two because there is a huge difference...
And I'll be happy to take the tour with whomever you assign....because I know the boys inside work....I wouldn't hear the tour over the laughing of those same guys if an office guy gave one and pretended they know whats going on like they do...
Now if only we can get you guys to pawn the plasmas and other "interoperability" i.e. radio gear from the Command Center, then you can buy more computers for receiving so those things don't happen anymore......lol

Posted by: str8tshot52

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Originally Posted by lawdog671

Now if only we can get you guys to pawn the plasmas and other "interoperability" i.e. radio gear from the Command Center, then you can buy more computers for receiving so those things don't happen anymore......lol

Doesn't matter who'd give you the tour...I have no doubt you'd learn A LOT. And no, I'm still not Glodis or Turco (kinda fixated on that, huh?). Pawn the mobile command center stuff? Hey, that's a great idea! And then maybe we'll have the dogs from the K-9 unit run the warrant checks (since everyone HATES them out nabbing drugs). Got any more ideas, or would you like to stick with "pawning" a piece of equipment that central mass. police departments, fire departments, chiefs of police, CEMLEC, the Executive Office of Public Safety, Central Regional Homeland Security Advisory Council, and the Department of Homeland Security have ALL deemed critical? Maybe next you'd like to recommend we gather up all the fire hoses in Worcester County and use them as insulation? Or have we reached the glass ceiling of your genius ideas? I think we can all breathe a little deeper that you're not the one in charge.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Hey str8tjacket, you pussy, fess up, Glodis or Turco the molester.

Posted by: lawdog671

Doesn't matter who'd give you the tour...I have no doubt you'd learn A LOT.
Hey online tough guy, I worked there for quite a while before landing where I am now. I'm fairly certain I could give you quite a tour there, since I worked the blocks. And since I'm betting you're as tough there as you are here, it'll do you a little good to get out of your office or Central control and out into the jail where you may have to pass by an inmate, maybe go hands on...rather than yell and flex behind concrete and bullet proof glass......
And then maybe we'll have the dogs from the K-9 unit run the warrant checks (since everyone HATES them out nabbing drugs).
Is that what Lt. Mark Kent and his K-9 partner Rusty were doing for their photo op in the Auburn News at Auburn Youth and Family Services??? Couple things (well many) stink about that.... A certain high ranking Jail official just happens to reside in that town.... Since you can't fool adults that you're cops so lets corrupt the minds of children now..they'll be adults in several years right??.. And I'm sure the good Lieutenant was there on straight time too....maybe driving the Command center to improve "interoperability" between WSCO and future voters..
Got any more ideas, or would you like to stick with "pawning" a piece of equipment that central mass. police departments, fire departments, chiefs of police, CEMLEC, the Executive Office of Public Safety, Central Regional Homeland Security Advisory Council, and the Department of Homeland Security have ALL deemed critical?
Say that all in one breath name-dropper???...lol....And yes we all still think youre Glodis or Turco or some other office hack; maybe an unpaid college intern looking for the big break into LE... because no self respecting CO would put up such a vigorous defence of Special Services guys because it sure isn't CO'S driving that Command Center. And since it was brought up.. since they aren't performing law enforcement functions in it, only working "interoperability equipment"...how many CO's from the blocks are trained and able to operate the Command Center...or is that all for the chosen few rather than divided fair and equitably amongst all WSCO staff??
Maybe next you'd like to recommend we gather up all the fire hoses in Worcester County and use them as insulation?
Maybe when they start putting blue lights on the fire trucks and jumping our calls....until then when they do the job they're hired to do I have ZERO problems with ding dongs....besides hoses suck at that...lol
Or have we reached the glass ceiling of your genius ideas?
Hey Genius.....my glass ceiling is limitless I can do this all day....as for the pot calling the kettle black....go re read your post to EXSCREW about putting some time in on the blocks ....since you appear confused....the term "screw" is slang for correctional officer...or CO ...you know the guys that actually do what they're paid to do up there...EX being former...and if you didn't get that maybe the fact he mentions specifically he retired from the blocks would make it clearer...
I think your hamster fell out of the wheel genius.....don't drink the coolaid....

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by str8tshot52

But I'll tell you this, from the guys I talk to, things have never been better at the jail....MUCH better than they were under Flynn, that's for damn sure.

Did you work there under the Flynn administration??

Posted by: str8tshot52

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Originally Posted by lawdog671

Is that what Lt. Mark Kent and his K-9 partner Rusty were doing for their photo op in the Auburn News at Auburn Youth and Family Services??? Couple things (well many) stink about that.... A certain high ranking Jail official just happens to reside in that town.... Since you can't fool adults that you're cops so lets corrupt the minds of children now..they'll be adults in several years right??.. And I'm sure the good Lieutenant was there on straight time too....maybe driving the Command center to improve "interoperability" between WSCO and future voters..

Wow, you honestly didn't know that K-9 units get requests to do public demonstrations for kids? State Police do it, local police do it, and our K-9 unit does it. Here's another shocker for you: it's not JUST in Auburn.

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Originally Posted by lawdog671

Got any more ideas, or would you like to stick with pawning a piece of equipment that central mass. police departments, fire departments, chiefs of police, CEMLEC, the Executive Office of Public Safety, Central Regional Homeland Security Advisory Council, and the Department of Homeland Security have ALL deemed critical?
Say that all in one breath name-dropper???...lol....And yes we all still think youre Glodis or Turco or some other office hack; maybe an unpaid college intern looking for the big break into LE... because no self respecting CO would put up such a vigorous defence of Special Services guys because it sure isn't CO'S driving that Command Center. And since it was brought up.. since they aren't performing law enforcement functions in it, only working "interoperability equipment"...how many CO's from the blocks are trained and able to operate the Command Center...or is that all for the chosen few rather than divided fair and equitably amongst all WSCO staff??

Wow, you got a lot wrong there, too. Name drop? You better believe it, because when you call the mobile command center a waste of time and money, you're not just criticizing the WCSO, you're making fun of every agency (see above) that DOES think it's an important resource. But you know better than them, right? Again, thank god you're not in charge.

So you would prefer that instead of a couple guys being trained, which does take a lot of time, you think the SO should have a ton of line guys trained as well, just for the fun of it? Then you'd be on here criticizing WCSO for wasting taxpayer money on training 50 guys for a vehicle only three or four need to be on call for. You can't even keep your own story straight. Let me help you out....the mobile command center is on-call 24 hours a day. And, since it is very actively used by local police and fire chiefs, can become a full time job. Under Sheriff lawdog, we're going to train, put on call, and bring OFF the line, a bunch of line guys. Well, those line guys just became Special Services. And we're right back to you complaining....

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Originally Posted by lawdog671

Or have we reached the glass ceiling of your genius ideas?
Hey Genius.....my glass ceiling is limitless I can do this all day....as for the pot calling the kettle black....go re read your post to EXSCREW about putting some time in on the blocks ....since you appear confused....the term "screw" is slang for correctional officer...or CO ...you know the guys that actually do what they're paid to do up there...EX being former...and if you didn't get that maybe the fact he mentions specifically he retired from the blocks would make it clearer...
I think your hamster fell out of the wheel genius.....don't drink the coolaid....

I'm not confused at all, I know exactly what I've said. The reason I took off the "ex" was because the guy in question is a very recent "ex", left under some very questionable circumstances, and thinks he's still a CO. I wouldn't out him, or tell his story, because there's really no need to get personal. Some guys on here LOVE to make things personal, but that's only because they can't think of anything else to say.

Posted by: kwflatbed

I see the spinmaster made it in to collect his pay,or is he posting from home ?

You missed a question to answer: Did you work there under the Flynn administration??

very recent "ex", mabe, but he did his time behind the walls not flying a desk.

"we're going to train, put on call, and bring OFF the line" I don't see why not they deserve the OT much more than the sign waving tin holders.

"I'm not confused at all" That is ONLY your opinion not the opinion of the majority.

"that's only because they can't think of anything else to say" From the length of this
thread i think a lot of people have plenty to say you just don't have the mental
ability to understand the truth.

Posted by: exscrew

Sorry Str8hack I've been gone for two years now. Not once ever was my retirement questioned by anyone other than a hack on a website like you.
Once again you prove to us all that your a desk hack who is trying so hard to make up for his lack of manhood that you come on a site like this and try to make everyone believe that you have all the answers.
Incase you havent noticed no one believes a single thing comming from your admin piehole. So put on your big girl panties and fix your makeup and get back to work under that desk.. I mean at that desk you ride every day.

Posted by: str8tshot52

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Originally Posted by kwflatbed

"we're going to train, put on call, and bring OFF the line" I don't see why not they deserve the OT much more than the sign waving tin holders.

Wow, you really will complain about ANYTHING....first it was that anyone from the SO is part of the mobile command center, now it's NOT ENOUGH guys are part of the mobile command center. Are you serious?

Am I the only who sees how unbelievably hypocritical you are?

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Originally Posted by kwflatbed

"I'm not confused at all" That is ONLY your opinion not the opinion of the majority.

Of course it's only my opinion....are you soft?

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Originally Posted by kwflatbed

"that's only because they can't think of anything else to say" From the length of this thread i think a lot of people have plenty to say you just don't have the mental ability to understand the truth.

You're right, harry....comments like "you pussy", "put on your big girl panties and makeup", and "pawn the mobile command center" were WAY beyond my mental ability. Input as thought-provoking and constructive as those, including your own (don't sell yourself short), just fly right over my head. The fact is, some people on here, when they have nothing left to contribute to the conversation, resort to name-calling and personal attacks....and I don't know anyone on here personally, so I'm not going to get personal. Something tells me, and this is just a stab in the dark, that you don't subscribe to the same philosphy.

Posted by: lawdog671

So who do we ask for when we get there??...Can't really say Str8sht from Masscops invited me.....so I'm thinking maybe now Str8 you can tell us all if we're correct in assuming you're Glodis or Turco....
I believe you skipped this question, however conveniently it may be. So I'll ask again. Who do we ask for? Or better yet...why don't you tell us what you do for WCSO again, seeing as how you seem to know so much.
Wow, you honestly didn't know that K-9 units get requests to do public demonstrations for kids? State Police do it, local police do it, and our K-9 unit does it. Here's another shocker for you: it's not JUST in Auburn
I know POLICE K-9's do them all the time. You would have us believe in earlier posts that your K-9's are in post offices, dispatched to requests for service from other PD's, or working hard at the jail. I asked you earlier where they find the time. You chose to offer a smart ass response. This thread is focuses on a rather large recurring theme in this and other threads. WCSO has too many fingers in other things, and are not focusing enough on what THE PRIMARY MISSION OF THE JAIL IS. Care, custody and control of Worcester county jail and house of correction inmates. End of story.
You better believe it, because when you call the mobile command center a waste of time and money, you're not just criticizing the WCSO, you're making fun of every agency (see above) that DOES think it's an important resource.
Responsible citizens have a civic duty to question wasteful spending by their government agencies, whether or not you agree or disagree. Nowhere in any of my posts will you find me "making fun" of an agency with a need for services. I questioned wasteful spending. More so as the MSP already has the very same thing you offer, available to any who request it.
So you would prefer that instead of a couple guys being trained, which does take a lot of time, you think the SO should have a ton of line guys trained as well, just for the fun of it? Then you'd be on here criticizing WCSO for wasting taxpayer money on training 50 guys for a vehicle only three or four need to be on call for.
So anything more than three or four is a ton? You rail on and on about its legitimacy as a public safety tool, yet only a chosen few are trained to operate it. Training larger groups of people at once can be more COST EFFICIENT (who cares when tax payers foot the bills though right?) and offers a larger base group of officers to choose from, so one or two guys aren't the only ones going out all the time, at overtime rates I'm sure, when you could pull an extra qualified officer out of the FACILITY if they were available before going to OT. Simple Police Administration 101. Take a class. This is one of the GLARING reasons you are not taken seriously as an agency when you speak like this. You cannot expect people to just swallow the company line here because you say it is so. I don't work there, so I won't lose my job or get transferred to a crap one because I don't agree with you. And HOW ON EARTH do you expect it to appear legit when only a couple of GG's boys operate it?
Well, those line guys just became Special Services.
What is so special about driving the command center? You said the guys on the bus just man the gear. A regular CO drives WCSO cruisers and vans on prisoner transports with all that gear, so why can't a CO with a class B license (I'm sure they all have ACTIVE class B licenses for that right?) drive the bus? No need to make them deputies. No need for OT for one or two guys. I'm sure that the unions like MCOFU would love the fair and equitable sharing of OT there for it's members...
Some guys on here LOVE to make things personal, but that's only because they can't think of anything else to say.
Unless I am mistaken, I seem to recall a certain someone apologizing for coming out of the gates pretty hard and making things personal in a WCSO thread not that long ago. Again, this kettle calling the pot black thing you seem to do, and in the same breath accuse all of us that don't agree with you of doing. And regardless of the circumstances EX left under, he actually worked the blocks. You can't take away the man's life experience because you don't agree with the way he left. Why don't you tell us all about your experience on the blocks, and prove us all wrong. I worked there for just about 5 years as a CO before I came to where I am today, working maximum security on several different shifts under Flynn. Again, where do you work? Several people on here know me and my professional resume...I have nothing to hide..can you say the same?

Posted by: robodope

Wow....I can never be a moderator because I think they should keep going...LOL

Posted by: str8tshot52

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Originally Posted by lawdog671

So who do we ask for when we get there??...Can't really say Str8sht from Masscops invited me.....so I'm thinking maybe now Str8 you can tell us all if we're correct in assuming you're Glodis or Turco....
I believe you skipped this question, however conveniently it may be. So I'll ask again. Who do we ask for? Or better yet...why don't you tell us what you do for WCSO again, seeing as how you seem to know so much.

And I'll reply....again. I'm still not Glodis or Turco. And I'll say it again, I'm not willing to get into a resume pissing contest. So let me get this right, I tell you how many years I've worked, where I'm assigned, etc. and all of a sudden you give my point of view some respect? C'mon, I'm not THAT stupid. You're looking for any shred of personal info to try to discredit me. You know it and I know it.

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Originally Posted by lawdog671

I know POLICE K-9's do them all the time. You would have us believe in earlier posts that your K-9's are in post offices, dispatched to requests for service from other PD's, or working hard at the jail. I asked you earlier where they find the time. You chose to offer a smart ass response. This thread is focuses on a rather large recurring theme in this and other threads. WCSO has too many fingers in other things, and are not focusing enough on what THE PRIMARY MISSION OF THE JAIL IS. Care, custody and control of Worcester county jail and house of correction inmates. End of story.

I don't remember what "smart ass response" I gave you, but the truth is we have 8 dogs in the K-9 unit, comprised of german shepards, bloodhounds, and labradors....and they each serve a function. Some are narcotics detection, others are simply for fugitive searches. From what I know, the K-9 unit is not at post offices every day, nor are they called out for assistance every day. So no, what you've deduced is FAR from the end of the story.

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Originally Posted by lawdog671

Responsible citizens have a civic duty to question wasteful spending by their government agencies, whether or not you agree or disagree. Nowhere in any of my posts will you find me "making fun" of an agency with a need for services. I questioned wasteful spending. More so as the MSP already has the very same thing you offer, available to any who request it.

I'm all about responsible citizens questioning their government and elected officials. Sometimes, unfortunately, that's the ONLY accountability there is. And if you think the mobile command center, by its very existence, is wasteful spending by the federal government, then more power to you, though I respectfully disagree. You seem to quote my previous posts alot, so keep going with that....I've explained it before, but I can explain it again: actually the MSP vehicle does NOT have "the very same thing [we] offer"....and that's no fault of their own, it's just technology improves so quickly. The MSP vehicle does not have close to the interoperability resources and capabilities as the mobile command center has. The second reason is response time and availability (remember, MSP weren't even eligible to apply for this vehicle). Because it is on call 24 hours per day ONLY to local police and fire, it is more readily available when needed. And because the WCSO is situated in West Boylston, the response time is much faster than Framingham.

[QUOTE-lawdog671] So anything more than three or four is a ton? You rail on and on about its legitimacy as a public safety tool, yet only a chosen few are trained to operate it. Training larger groups of people at once can be more COST EFFICIENT (who cares when tax payers foot the bills though right?) and offers a larger base group of officers to choose from, so one or two guys aren't the only ones going out all the time, at overtime rates I'm sure, when you could pull an extra qualified officer out of the FACILITY if they were available before going to OT. Simple Police Administration 101. Take a class. This is one of the GLARING reasons you are not taken seriously as an agency when you speak like this. You cannot expect people to just swallow the company line here because you say it is so. I don't work there, so I won't lose my job or get transferred to a crap one because I don't agree with you. And HOW ON EARTH do you expect it to appear legit when only a couple of GG's boys operate it? [/quote]

If I remember correctly, there are currently 3 or 4 guys trained on it, one to cover for each shift, to reduce overtime expenses...guess that scenario wasn't covered in Simple Police Administration 101, huh? The fact of the matter is training IS very time consuming, and doesn't just stop after the initial training. Backfilling positions on the line, as I'm sure you know, if they are called out to something else, isn't as simple as snapping your fingers.

I'm not sure if you think assignment to the mobile command center is some patronage gig (GG's boys operate it), but it takes a lot more time, effort, training, and giving up your volunteer time than you think.

And like I've always said, I have absolutely no problem with anyone disagreeing with me....hell, I disagree with some of the things at the jail. But 99% of the guys come on here and post, thinking they already have all the answers, and won't listen to an explanation from the other side. I have ten times more respect for someone that asks questions first, instead of throwing out insults without having the first clue how things truly operate.

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Originally Posted by lawdog671

What is so special about driving the command center? You said the guys on the bus just man the gear. A regular CO drives WCSO cruisers and vans on prisoner transports with all that gear, so why can't a CO with a class B license (I'm sure they all have ACTIVE class B licenses for that right?) drive the bus? No need to make them deputies. No need for OT for one or two guys. I'm sure that the unions like MCOFU would love the fair and equitable sharing of OT there for it's members...

I don't want repeat everything I just said, and have said in other posts, but yes, they are responsible for driving the vehicle to the site, and then operating the interoperability equipment on board.

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Originally Posted by lawdog671

Unless I am mistaken, I seem to recall a certain someone apologizing for coming out of the gates pretty hard and making things personal in a WCSO thread not that long ago. Again, this kettle calling the pot black thing you seem to do, and in the same breath accuse all of us that don't agree with you of doing. And regardless of the circumstances EX left under, he actually worked the blocks. You can't take away the man's life experience because you don't agree with the way he left. Why don't you tell us all about your experience on the blocks, and prove us all wrong. I worked there for just about 5 years as a CO before I came to where I am today, working maximum security on several different shifts under Flynn. Again, where do you work? Several people on here know me and my professional resume...I have nothing to hide..can you say the same?

You're right, I have apologized when I've made unfair generalizations (how many other guys on here have done that), and I have been very diligent in not making personal attacks against individuals, DESPITE the non-stop barrage of insults thrown my way....for doing nothing more than explaining the other side.

People think the WCSO is "trying to play cop", though the K-9 unit and mobile command center are the only two areas they can cite. So I explain the K-9 unit assists only when called upon by local police, and as a result has made some fantastic finds. I explain our limited role in operating the mobile command center, assuming NO police functions whatsoever. I explain that the mobile command center DOES serve an active role for local police and fire departments, at their discretion, and WILL play an active role in the event of a terrorist attack in our area. And what do I get for a response? Nothing more than labels of "hack" and "sign-holder".....so I ask you: who here has listened to these explanations and provided feedback? Very, very few.

Remember, the ONLY reason I even started posting was because someone posted a letter to the editor, trying to link the above activities with prison overcrowding...and I wanted to refute that. Everyone thinks it's open season on attacking the Sheriff's Office, and I thought it was time someone stood up to it.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by kwflatbed

You missed a question to answer: Did you work there under the Flynn administration??

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Posted by: SinePari

Str8-jacket, you gotta be smoking something again. The number one reason you and others like you are not welcome in this state, NOT WELCOME, is because of the convoluted hiring/firing/training/promoting/appointments under an elected sheriff. This is mostly due to the amount of blood, sweat, tears, and food stamp collecting 99% of us go through while getting on the job through civil service or the state agencies. So this isn't something you or any other spin meister is going to correct any time soon.

My 2 cents is that you guys need to run silent and run deep, stay off the radar and continue to run the jails. Again, every guy I've met inside and outside the jail are top notch, but the system as a whole is not something this state needs in its current form.

Posted by: str8tshot52

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Originally Posted by SinePari

Str8-jacket, you gotta be smoking something again. The number one reason you and others like you are not welcome in this state, NOT WELCOME, is because of the convoluted hiring/firing/training/promoting/appointments under an elected sheriff. This is mostly due to the amount of blood, sweat, tears, and food stamp collecting 99% of us go through while getting on the job through civil service or the state agencies. So this isn't something you or any other spin meister is going to correct any time soon.

My 2 cents is that you guys need to run silent and run deep, stay off the radar and continue to run the jails. Again, every guy I've met inside and outside the jail are top notch, but the system as a whole is not something this state needs in its current form.

Not welcome?? I didn't realize this was an invitation only party....You guys have got it good and don't even know it....sheriffs in every other state have widespread law enforcement powers, and yet you guys complain that ours has a good K-9 unit? And this STILL isn't a system this state needs right now? The fact of the matter is, the sheriff IS elected and if you want to change that, then knock yourself out (I think I gave you all the things you need to do in an earlier post).....but if your number one complaint is that sheriffs EXIST, well then you're right, there's nothing I can do to correct that.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

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Your silence is deafening

Posted by: kwflatbed

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

Your silence is deafening

I wonder what he is hiding that he doesn't want to answer ?????

You missed a question to answer: Did you work there under the Flynn administration??

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by str8tshot52

Well, I have to admit if I were in another state, I would definitely consider working for the SOs because of the large resources, units, and opportunities that exist, compared to local PDs and Highway Patrols. But since we have no unicorporated land there are no contractual patrols given to the SO here. Which means that in times which federal, state and local money is tight it's everybody's fight to keep and improve their departments.

Put together a fair test, hire and promote from same, and no appointments made...now you're moving in the right direction if you're staying in "law enforcement". Don't counter with "everyone knew someone to get on the job" because I can personally attest that I'm here based on nobody's phone call, father wasn't on the job, or campaign contribution. I'm not saying it doesn't happen everywhere, just consider following the DOC model for your guys.

Posted by: str8tshot52

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

Your silence is deafening

I already said, I'm not going to get personal.....I have no doubt you'd enjoy that. You want to whine about the WCSO, then fine. Why you're still complaining about the SO when you're working for a sheriff down in FL is beyond me, but whatever does it for you. No matter how many years I have, it's not enough.....no matter where I'm assigned, it's not good enough. You have something to say about the job, then say it. But if all you can bring to the table is personal stuff, don't bother.

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Originally Posted by SinePari

I agree with you completely, and that's why the WCSO doesn't do patrols. And that's why the WCSO hasn't robbed any money from any other department. The ONLY federal money was the mobile command center, which local and state PD simply weren't eligible for....so tell me who we stole that from?

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Originally Posted by sinepari

Put together a fair test, hire and promote from same, and no appointments made...now you're moving in the right direction if you're staying in "law enforcement". Don't counter with "everyone knew someone to get on the job" because I can personally attest that I'm here based on nobody's phone call, father wasn't on the job, or campaign contribution. I'm not saying it doesn't happen everywhere, just consider following the DOC model for your guys.

[/quote]While it's easy to make a sweeping generalization that everyone at the WCSO is only there because of a donation, or who they knew, it's simply not the truth. The truth is that just as many people who are promoted have never given a dime to anyone, and just as many people who HAVE donated have never been promoted. But nobody mentions THAT on here. Talk to them and ask them about the patronage everyone OUTSIDE the jail thinks they know about.

Posted by: SinePari

I call it stolen, you call it whatever you want. We've gone round and round on that. I view it as an opportunistic jump into an already existing MSP function. Interoperability is achieved when all agencies link up, program radios, and have ONE agency patch everyone together, or even someone with some stones MANDATING everyone who wants federal funding get on one system.

As far as patronage I was generalizing all law enforcement agencies.

Posted by: lawdog671

And I'll say it again, I'm not willing to get into a resume pissing contest. So let me get this right, I tell you how many years I've worked, where I'm assigned, etc. and all of a sudden you give my point of view some respect? C'mon, I'm not THAT stupid. You're looking for any shred of personal info to try to discredit me.
I worked in Maximum security for my entire stay there. Your turn. Your job title speaks entirely to your credibility there, yes it does. What does the title on your Commonwealth of Massachusetts job issued pay stub state? Not to discredit you, just let us know what your basis of knowledge is. Let us know if youre there from patronage or if you really WORK there. My guess is you ride a desk or dispatch for Special services, considering the amount of time you spend on here.
I don't remember what "smart ass response" I gave you
Glass ceiling and bright ideas.....oh and genius....ring a bell? Amongst others.
actually the MSP vehicle does NOT have "the very same thing [we] offer"....and that's no fault of their own, it's just technology improves so quickly. The MSP vehicle does not have close to the interoperability resources and capabilities as the mobile command center has. The second reason is response time and availability (remember, MSP weren't even eligible to apply for this vehicle). Because it is on call 24 hours per day ONLY to local police and fire, it is more readily available when needed. And because the WCSO is situated in West Boylston, the response time is much faster than Framingham
Your basis of knowledge of this is what??? That is a homeland security piece of equipment which is not common knowledge. And you would have us believe that in this time of developing techincal advances that MSP is behind on that and WCSO is in the lead? Please... I am actually one of the few troopers that I know that have been IN the thing...which was by accidental circumstances...How do you know so much about it? Or the smaller one that we have? Oh and Framingham is right on Turnpike, and that in addition to the lights helps it get anywhere in state fairly quickly. Well for sake of argument, Worcester County. And you seem to forget that I'm sure WCSO was not the only agency that bid for the SAME grant you did to purchase it. That's where stolen gets tossed in. There is only a finite amount of money available and you guys took it.
If I remember correctly, there are currently 3 or 4 guys trained on it, one to cover for each shift, to reduce overtime expenses...guess that scenario wasn't covered in Simple Police Administration 101, huh
7 days a week times "3 or 4" guys when you need "one to drive, one to work the gear" = NOT ENOUGH COVERAGE. So yes, simple Police Admin 101 and simple math. Assuming you're staffing it 24/7 as you say.
The fact of the matter is training IS very time consuming, and doesn't just stop after the initial training. Backfilling positions on the line, as I'm sure you know, if they are called out to something else, isn't as simple as snapping your fingers.
Thats what we've been saying. You don't train, you shouldn't be out there working. You mention Public Safety often, and that MSP "doesn't care about public safety.." Well poorly trained people on the road can hurt citizens or other cops. We traing as often as any PD and it's not enough. That you would even mention it leads me to believe you're not getting enough.
Oh and more admin 101. If I have 300 something CO's working, and need to replace one or two for a call out...that is far easier and cheaper than calling someone IN for ot...or maybe one of you office guys can go work the blocks....
I don't want repeat everything I just said, and have said in other posts, but yes, they are responsible for driving the vehicle to the site, and then operating the interoperability equipment on board.
Why not we seem to be with no answers from you guys that make sense.
So I explain the K-9 unit assists only when called upon by local police,
Did Jim Ljunggren from Auburn PD K-9 know about Lt. Kent going to AYFS last week?? I'm sure he would be little unhappy about this....I'll ask when I see him.
Remember, the ONLY reason I even started posting was because someone posted a letter to the editor, trying to link the above activities with prison overcrowding...and I wanted to refute that.
The gist of the letter said that Glodis should focus on the overcrowding...and not extranious things like command center. He has too many things going on. Pick your battles.
sheriffs in every other state have widespread law enforcement powers
You sir, are in the Republic of Massachusetts...go somewhere else if you want to patrol as a Sheriff.

So STR8.....where do I meet you for my tour?..

Posted by: exscrew

Lawdog you can count me in on the tour too. While you guys are checking out the jail I'l keep an eye on stra8hack incase he soils himself. lol sorry guys it was just to easy

Posted by: kwflatbed

Where do we sign up for the tour ???????

Posted by: pahapoika

sheriffs in every other state have widespread law enforcement powers,

having toured extensively around the country on a motorcycle as a Blue Knight and meeting many members of the law enforcement community it's safe to say the Mass. State Police are the sheriffs department here in Mass.

that is to say the staties preform the same job as the sheriffs department in other states and it's just a different name for the same job.

since we all ready have a agency with state wide coverage , why would the tax payers need to pay for a redundant agency ?

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by str8tshot52

Whine about the WCSO, still complaining?? You made the statement things are better under Glodis than they were under Flynn, so I was curious as to what you were basing this statement on, your experience or that of another. It was a simple question. I didn't ask where you were assigned or even how long you've been in law enforcement.

I actually thought your responses have been articulate, intelligent and informative, obviously based in principles you believe in and take pride in as a member of the WCSO. I'm not a basher of any LE agency and believe they all have a legitimate role in the criminal justice system. The sheriff's office has law enforcement authority, which I believe they should retain, however a major issue is the lack of training standards for deputy sheriff's in the Commonwealth, which has yet to be addressed for a variety of reasons.

IMHO the Flynn administration had many flaws and the WCSO was in desperate need of a change, however your boss Glodis ran his campaign on the platform of taking politics out of the agency. He also solicited numerous police union endorsements by claiming falsely that Flynn was in the process of forming a county police force and that Glodis would refrain from using his deputies in a law enforcement role. Now I've come to expect that most politicians are liars, however one should expect a sheriff, especially one with law enforcement aspirations, to have some integrity!!

Since being elected, he has given new meaning to political patronage and has become the epitome of why sheriff's have lost their credibility in the professional arena.

Now what that being said, your defensive response to my question has already answered it for me. As to my being a sheriff in FL, your background obviously is not in investigations.

I have many friends and family, who work in the Worcester area LE community, which is where I worked and lived most of my life, but I guess keeping tabs on whats going on there is somehow wrong in your opinion.

Stay safe!!

Posted by: exscrew

PBL all lawenforcemnt aside............I just blew out the blades on my snowblower. You made the right choice going south.. Hey I'm retired! Any good real estate deals in your area?

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

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Originally Posted by exscrew

Any good real estate deals in your area?

Right now is a good time to move to FLA, it's a buyer's market, not to mention it was 82 today!!

Posted by: exscrew

I got out of the Navy in 85 and did all 4 years in Jacksonville Fla. I remember the Sheriffs Dept. and Highway Patrol would come on base once and a while recruting. It never even crossed my mind to look into it. Man if i could have done it over, but hey what hell.
I can tell you this from living in several areas of the Country in my life. Mass. by far has some of the most politicly disfuntional law enforcment departments ever. Remember the Mets? for crying out loud how many different cops where on the roads at one time in those days. Alot has been done to merge some of those Dept's. but by far the biggest waste and abuser of state funds in law enforcment in this state is County corrections. It's a dinosaur that just keeps on eating up money for no good reason. This has nothing to do with those guys walking the blocks and dealing with the bad guys all day. Its purley and completely about out of control elected lifetime politicians who get their rocks of on the power of being Sheriff.
Almost every County Jail in this state is way to top heavy in high paying admin jobs while the line officers face shortages every day.
All these Command centers and k9's could be such an asset if they where used by the people who need them the most.
Just look at Middlesex County putting patrol boats in the water in boston harbor. It 's not even their county. So why not take that money and give it to the BPD, SPO, or even let the feds keep it and give it to the Coast guard.
I just hope there is a day when the people of this state have had enough and stop electing politicians into law enforcement/corrections positions.
I'l tell you what As a retired CO if The state and local PD's got behind a movement to get rid of elected County Sheriff's I'd be standing right next to you in support.

Posted by: lawdog671

EXSCREW FOR SHERIFF!!!!.....lol

Posted by: mtc

You guys go tour the jail.... I wanna peek inside this Drive-a-bago command post they have... and see for myself what technological advances I'm missing.

I bet our potty is better than thiers!

Posted by: Kb1100

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Originally Posted by lawdog671

EXSCREW FOR SHERIFF!!!!.....lol

did they ban crazy irish from this forum? Exscrew sure does remind me of him.

Posted by: exscrew

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Originally Posted by lawdog671

EXSCREW FOR SHERIFF!!!!.....lol

thanks for the vote lawdog. by the way I will not be accepting donations from my employees or familiy members. I'l never get elected....dammit

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