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Posted by: TripleSeven

Anyone have any info on North Shore Community College Police? I see that they are hiring... the picture of the 86 Blazer "cruiser" on their website tells me that they might not be everyones first choice when looking for a police job...

Posted by: MRC

Not that much police work with them from what this lowly student has seen at the Danvers campus, more of a doorknob jiggler and a door opener when needed. I've heard things are different in Lynn, but I can't verify that.

Posted by: hecktate

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Originally Posted by EMcNeice";p=&quot

Anyone have any info on North Shore Community College Police? I see that they are hiring... the picture of the 86 Blazer "cruiser" on their website tells me that they might not be everyones first choice when looking for a police job...

Yeah EM, I was thinking the same thing... I'm going to be passing on this golden opportunity lol!

Posted by: copchika911

Stay far away...Nothing good will come out of that position if you want to move up in the world of LE...

Posted by: TripleSeven

Thanks for the heads up!

Posted by: Macop

Nothing good,i disagree. Its a police job if you are trying to start somewhere or elevate from security to police then go for it. It will get you closer to your goal, go there, play the game keep your mouth shut and build from there while getting free tuition and benefits, start building a L.E backround. When people ask me I say take what you can get and keep your head stright thats how myself and many others got started. My father has this saying he used to tell me when I was working security and shitty police jobs. Son, its chess, not checkers.

Posted by: copchika911

I agree 100% that exposure is experience. BUT....this set up they have over there is horrible. They aren't respected, they aren't armed, and they have a very low budget to have more than one officer in a car (patrolling) at one time. In my opinion.. If you have police on your shoulder you should be armed. If not...go work for the mall.. It's the same position. NSCC is a commuter school...Next to nothing ever happens there.

I just think there are better opportunities out there...aside from "shitty police jobs." Look into a school that is armed...well maintained and one that lets you go there for free (4 years + ...not just 2) You want real exposure...not some glorified post guard position.

Just my 2 cents.....

Posted by: Sgt Jack

Copchicka911...As a officer at NSCC I'm going to fill you in a little bit more about NSCC...First off I'll admit that the place is far from perfect but it's a far cry better thatn some of the other colleges that have been mentioned...so I feel that some of your comments are a little out of line...First off we have more than one officer on duty at a time...Officers are more inside than outside...As far as nothing good will come from this place..well we've had a lot of officers move on to city...and state agencies from here...part of the problem here has been that the Old now retired Dean of Facliites didn't want us doing anything nor would he buy us anything...He has now retired and the new guy is allowing our chief do more and we're in the process revamping alot of things..it's slowly changing around here for the better...and as far as nothing going on well I also beg to differ...209A violations...weapons violations...thefts..mva's etc...does this happen everyday...no but it does happen...And as far as any educational incentive..you can go to any 4 year state school you want...you just have to pay fee's and buy books...any one else have a question NSCC PD..feel free to PM....

Posted by: copchika911

Sgt. Jack...

I'm glad to hear things are getting better but I still hold my opinion on the job. I was at one time going to apply there myself but soon found out that you guys didn’t have the incentives if you may of a state/private college/ and or university. As with every college campus we deal with all sorts of crap and a lot of the time people don't look at CP's as "Real PO's"...As I said before I don’t think the job is worth it due to the fact that you guys aren't armed and have a very low budget. that gets in the way more so than it doesn't. I hope that one day you will be...you have a uniform and you put your lives on the line everyday.... So I can see where you feel the need to get territorial...but I'm just talking common knowledge...I went there..I saw the routine, and knew and talked with a few of your officers....If you want to move up as a PO ( higher than the college level)..you need to have to deal with the same functions and equiptment as a municipal or state officer. Colleges w/out firearms are looked at the same as a security position. Just look at the Lynn Campus and all the stuff that happens there, you guys have your hands tied most of the time just due to LPD/MBTA territory. This is not a bad thing..it's just a typical community college police department. No Disrespect to anyone. but if you scroll up I'm not the only one who stated their opinion.

But hey.. best of luck to you...

Posted by: Sgt Jack

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Originally Posted by copchika911";p=&quot

Just look at the Lynn Campus and all the stuff that happens there, you guys have your hands tied most of the time just due to LPD/MBTA territory.

Umm...couple more things ..not sure what you meant by that....could you care to elaborate??....We have a pretty good working relationship with both agencies....and as far as the MBTA goes we do have authority over there...no were not chasing people up on the platforms of the commuter rail but make no mistake we have officers over there on a regular basis patrolling...Our focus is our students and our property...Lynn, and the MBTA aren't tying are hands at all....Now as far as the other stuff...First off as far as guns go there are a lot of other schools that are bigger and busier that don't have guns either..It seems to me that too many people get hung up on the whole gun thing...(ie no gun than not a real cop)...well the hand cuffs go on the same way....the arrest paperwork get's typed the same way...the trip to court is the same...the person you locked up gets put in a cell the same way....Should campus pd's be armed...YES they should...but until that happens I'm going to go out and do the job the best way that I can..until the school either gives me a gun or I move on to an armed dept...What I'm not going to do is have a gun or in this case a lack thereof determine the title of my position...if folks want to labor under the delusion that we're just security guards...we'll then that's their problem...one guy I know did that...and well let just say that he's still in the Middelton Jail..he's been there since September and he's not going to see daylight anytime soon...Oh and I didn't do it with a gun...just a computer keyboard..and some good old fashinon police work......Copchicka...I do understand where your coming from....and I respect your opinion....and there are days that things are slow here and we do turn keys...but ...and it just my thoughts(I'm not slamming anyone so don't take it that way)...and I might be wrong...about this.... but...there is more to be a cop than just driving a brand new Crown Vic..carring a gun...and having all the other nice things like some places have..Yes those things are important...but they shouldn't be the only things that define what the job is...

Posted by: Macop

Well said Sgt. Jack

Posted by: copchika911

Ok you clearly didn't get what I was dropping. I was generalizing unarmed depts in general not just NSCC. I Could case less to discuss NSCC any further... The point is...and I'm very sure if you try to get on with a municipal department of the State Police you'll find this.....

In Massachusetts. UNLESS YOU'RE A VET...If you want to move up as a PO (higher than the college level)..You need to deal with the same functions and equipment as a municipal or state officer. Colleges w/out firearms are looked at the same as a security position in most cases.

If we're both trying to get on a municipal department and we both have the same stats (BA and the academy and we both work at colleges, we both score the same on the test etc) ...and I work at a department with firearms and you don't...In the LE world I would have "more experience" because I am armed on the job...practicing or in real life scenarios.

We live in Mass.. This isn't a pissing contest. This is reality.

Point Blank!

Posted by: DisturbedCop

Sounds kind of like MassArt, maybe not as bad though. As far as using a place that is horrible for a stepping stone, I advise against it, from personal experience. When you work at a slum, be it any job that sucks, you run the risk of ruining your career as much as it helping it in the long run. I don't consider it a stepping stone if someone is continuously sh*tting on you. So choose, but choose wisely.

Posted by: KozmoKramer

Disturbed - the man speaks from experience; look at Jacks quote...

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Originally Posted by Sgt Jack";p=&quot

....As far as nothing good will come from this place..well we've had a lot of officers move on to city...and state agencies from here...

That doesn't look like a "career ender" to me...

Posted by: Sgt Jack

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Originally Posted by DisturbedCop";p=&quot

Sounds kind of like MassArt, maybe not as bad though.

Well having read all the posts on MassArt and having a former ISO that was from Mass Art now working with us....it's alot better than Mass Art...

..Now Copchicka I'm going to let you in on a little secret about the hiring process in Mass that goes on in alot of these towns to include mine As I am familar with it......alot of it has to do with WHO you know and NOT what you know....and as far as dealing with those so called "Real experience's"...I have...and just because you have a gun...DOESN'T mean you have more experience...All the gun is just another tool...nothing more...nothing less.....it doesn't give you experience.... that's the Reality

Posted by: Macop

copchika911 wrote:

In Massachusetts. UNLESS YOU'RE A VET...If you want to move up as a PO (higher than the college level)..You need to deal with the same functions and equipment as a municipal or state officer. Colleges w/out firearms are looked at the same as a security position in most cases.

If we're both trying to get on a municipal department and we both have the same stats (BA and the academy and we both work at colleges, we both score the same on the test etc) ...and I work at a department with firearms and you don't...In the LE world I would have "more experience" because I am armed on the job...practicing or in real life scenarios.

We live in Mass.. This isn't a pissing contest. This is reality.

Point Blank!

WRONG, that is so NOT true. I went from a unarmed/police but acted like security postion to a armed postion. In my former dept we hired a woman who were form unarmed colleges police agencies. As a former administrator I see no truth in hiring someone over asnother person because one works for and unarmed dept while the other is armed.

Where did you get the idea that :
In Massachusetts. UNLESS YOU'RE A VET...If you want to move up as a PO (higher than the college level)..You need to deal with the same functions and equipment as a municipal or state officer. Colleges w/out firearms are looked at the same as a security position in most cases.

I'm sorry that just makes no sence at all, maybe some chiefs may think that way but very few im sure. I know many people that were unarmed campus/security officers that went to f/t municipalities

Posted by: copchika911

Did I suddenly start speaking in Spanish and not catch myself...?? Must've.......wow i really should stop that huh....

Right..I must be talking out of my ass....LOL...YOU'RE RIGHT, I'm Wrong!...I guess I'll see you in the same place doing the same thing with that attitude. As I said good luck! Whatever it takes to make you sleep at night...We're on the same team!!! Hello??? No where in my posts did I claim that my guns bigger than your gun...

Once again more mindless bickering that I don't need... You have your opinion and I have mine...and that's all she wrote! Case closed~

ADIOS!

Posted by: Macop

Sorry for the typos this is what happens when you are sipping a beer, talking on the Nextell and typing at the same time, lol.

Posted by: Dups33

Hey,

New talker long time listener ... I would have to agree with Sgt. Jack on this issue. In my experience, armed vs. unarmed doesn't make a whole lot of difference. What does however, is training and lots of it, because the more you have the less a new dept. is going to pay for you to get some. So my advice to anyone who is looking to get in this field, is take whatever you can get ... even if the job doesn't seem that great. For example I know that NSCC sends most PO's to the SSPO and that in itself can/will open other doors down the road.

I know it's not for everyone, it just depends on the person and what you want out of your career and how long your prepared to wait.

Posted by: stm4710

As a student of NSCC also I can say aside from the student parking tickets for students in staff space, they walk around, open doors and deal with a dead battery or two at the Danvers Campus.
I am not dissing them, its just when you build a campus on the top of a hill in the middle of no where (relitivly speaking)......there is not much that is going to be going on anyway.

I have talked to a few of the PO's thier and they seem pretty level headed accept for one that I think was pulling my leg---or was just a whacker.

I have visted the Lynn campus once and all I can say is..............good luck cause your going to need it down there!!

The movie Dangerous Minds pops into my head.

Posted by: Sgt Jack

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Originally Posted by stm4710";p=&quot

I have visted the Lynn campus once and all I can say is..............good luck cause your going to need it down there!!

The movie Dangerous Minds pops into my head.

LOL....yeah it can get a little hectic down here in Lynn....Both campus's and students are unique and are two completly different environments...

Posted by: ShakeEmDOwn016

What the hell is this crap about unarmed colleges are looked upon as "security guards"?

I know plenty of people that worked for unarmed college departments and were fortunate enough to transition into a Municipal Department.
There were at least 2 in my academy class who came from unarmed college departments and got hired for a city. I don't think that the fact that some colleges carry and some don't makes any difference in the hiring process since there were people who never even touched a gun let alone carry one for their previous jobs as bankers or computer engineers in my class.

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by ShakeEmDOwn016";p=&quot

What the hell is this crap about unarmed colleges are looked upon as "security guards"?

Well it is a prevalent attitude. Probably broken down like this;

Perception of unarmed campus police

Students/staff/visitors=95%
Other Law enforcement=50%

I wear LAPD Blue, make stops in black/white marked police cruiser, and have polymer frame semi-auto in plain view on hip. Let me tell you, at least half of the civilians I encounter still perceive me as "security" and can't understand "why the f*ck!" I'm stopping them for 45mph in 20mph zone and stop sign violations and asking for their license and reg.

Posted by: ShakeEmDOwn016

Whatever.

Looks like someone misinterpreted my post so let me clarify. Being a former college PO lucky enough to be armed, I can understand the frustration of being referred to as a "security guard" etc. But I wrote my comment above in response to Municipalities preferring to hire armed vs. unarmed college PO's. It doesn't make a damn difference in the hiring process as some people on here believe, since there is 40 hours of firearms training in the Full Time Academy.

Posted by: DCON

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Originally Posted by copchika911";p=&quot

I agree 100% that exposure is experience. BUT....this set up they have over there is horrible. They aren't respected, they aren't armed, and they have a very low budget to have more than one officer in a car (patrolling) at one time. In my opinion.. If you have police on your shoulder you should be armed. If not...go work for the mall.. It's the same position. NSCC is a commuter school...Next to nothing ever happens there.

This is one of the biggest problems on this state. Why would you look down on one of your own? Cops are Cops. We're should all be on the same side, not talking bad about each other.

Posted by: copchika911

DCON...

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Originally Posted by stm4710";p=&quot

As a student of NSCC also I can say aside from the student parking tickets for students in staff space, they walk around, open doors and deal with a dead battery or two at the Danvers Campus.
I am not dissing them, its just when you build a campus on the top of a hill in the middle of no where (relitivly speaking)......there is not much that is going to be going on anyway.

I have talked to a few of the PO's thier and they seem pretty level headed accept for one that I think was pulling my leg---or was just a whacker.

I have visted the Lynn campus once and all I can say is..............good luck cause your going to need it down there!!

The movie Dangerous Minds pops into my head.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DisturbedCop";p=&quot

Sounds kind of like MassArt, maybe not as bad though. As far as using a place that is horrible for a stepping stone, I advise against it, from personal experience. When you work at a slum, be it any job that sucks, you run the risk of ruining your career as much as it helping it in the long run. I don't consider it a stepping stone if someone is continuously sh*tting on you. So choose, but choose wisely.

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Originally Posted by hecktate";p=&quot

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Originally Posted by EMcNeice";p=&quot

Yeah EM, I was thinking the same thing... I'm going to be passing on this golden opportunity lol!

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Originally Posted by MRC";p=&quot

Not that much police work with them from what this lowly student has seen at the Danvers campus, more of a doorknob jiggler and a door opener when needed. I've heard things are different in Lynn, but I can't verify that.

Are you serious about life? You obviously can't read, I wasn't making fun of them or talking shit. The God's honest truth is what was stated...Maybe you should go back and read where I stated that a police officer is a police officer regardless and they should be armed because they put there life on the line as like everyone else who wears a patch on their sleve and how I think they should have more but due to the fact that its a low budgeted communter school they are lacking....SO..unless your gonna bitch and moan to everyone else talking about bad campuses/hospitals/ departments...Like the BIDMC and other posts.. then get off my ass. The problem is everyone has way to much time to moan and groan about petty stupid shit.

Do you need a tissue, or are you done crying?

Posted by: DCON

1. You stated that unarmed College Police should just work as mall security because it's the same job. How can you say this and not expect people to be offended?

2. When you say "moving to a Higher Position," you're implying that Campus Cops are a lower form of Police work. It may not be the preference for most Cops, but it's that attitude that continues to give Campus Police a reputation for only being a step up from security, and only a job to have until you move on.

3. You wrote that people have way too much time to whine, I believe this is my 11th post. You are well over a hundred posts on this board.

4. Finally, you seemed to take my last post very personally. In this field you can't do that, you need to keep emotion in check or you're going to have loads of trouble.

I guess I'm done crying for now.

Posted by: Irishpride

To get back on topic (i.e. EMcNeice's question about applying there) here's my $.02. EMcNeice, if I have read your previous posts correctly you presently work security (hospital and private company)? If that is the case NSCC will get you some form of law enforcement training (either SSPO or R/I) which will make you more marketable in the municipal police job market (remember that the SSPO is recognized out of state). If you finish the academy and decide that you hate NSCC you can always find another job but at least you will either have your SSPO and some sworn experience which will definitely give you an advantage over another applicant with a security background without any law enforcement training.

Posted by: Macop

Irishpride hit the head on the nail as I believe I did in an ealier post. Disregard all the whining on this particular subject which seems to have taken over the board. Once you get that SSPO man you are on the right track. I went to the 10th SSPO not only is a very good Police Academy but it will get a municipal job in 38 states that I know of including Fla. Go for it take the job/training, go to work, keep mouth shut put in at least one yr, get off probation have some experince under belt and move up brother, thats how a lot of us did it.

Posted by: TripleSeven

Thanks Irish and Macop.

Posted by: smallgrey

Frankly, it takes guts, guile, and practical knowledge to work as a police officer without benefit of a firearm. Those more fortunate should congratulate and commiserate with those who do the job under such difficult circumstances, rather than demean them.

Posted by: Macop

Amen to that, good luck EMcNeice.

Posted by: Wannabe1

"If you have police on your shoulder you should be armed. If not...go work for the mall.. It's the same position." - Copchika911

Nice! Massachusetts definately has the thinnest blue line. I am assuming that you work for a municipality given the point of view you have. BTW: what did you get on the test?

Posted by: Macop

No, its not the same position. Thats the wrong attitude to have. Malls dont have police powers or academy training, although I went to college with a kid who worked at the Kingston mall. They had a few officers that were specials and wore regular Kingston police uniforms and had a crusier. I dont know if is still like that. But anyway.

Posted by: SGTJIM

I have a friend who used to be a SGT at NSCC, he said that it is an absolute joke. They make 1 arrest every 2 or 3 years and they have no relationship with the Lynn PD. He also said that the LT. and chief have no education and graduated from the reserve academy back in the eighties when they had a coloring test. Law wise the officers don't know which way is up and it's a giant lawsuit waiting to happen.

Posted by: fscpd907

Well NSCC has two Student Officers in week #2 of SSPO #16 that will be trained and ready to assist their Chief and Lt. with any law questions.

Posted by: John J

Anybody know the starting salary over at NSCC?

Posted by: SGTJIM

The officers in the SSPO academy at this time will go through excellent training to do what? Absoloutely nothing. The SSPO academy was devised because the State wanted to use the academy when it wasn't being used for the RTT class. So they devise an academy that isn't recognized by any municipal departments in it's own state. Sounds like a brilliant scheme to me. It's like running a 26 mile marathon and winning the marathon, but you forgot to sign up for the marathon. A campus police officer that doesn't carry a firearm is a glorified security guard, sorry but it's the truth. What would they do on a felony stop, hold there streamlights and pretend it's a glock. At least if they had dorms they would do a little police work (A little that is).

Posted by: Sgt Jack

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Originally Posted by SGTJIM";p=&quot

I have a friend who used to be a SGT at NSCC, he said that it is an absolute joke. They make 1 arrest every 2 or 3 years and they have no relationship with the Lynn PD. He also said that the LT. and chief have no education and graduated from the reserve academy back in the eighties when they had a coloring test. Law wise the officers don't know which way is up and it's a giant lawsuit waiting to happen.

First off a couple of things...we don't make alot of arrests but its alot more than 1 arrest every 2 or 3 years....as far as not having a relationship with Lynn Pd....that's also pretty funny cause we have a former officer that is a Lynn cop and oh by the way...the Lynn Pd come's here every Sunday and uses our gym to play basketball...I have had numerous contacts with Lynn Pd over the past two years that I've been here and I've yet to have one negitive interaction....same goes for the MBTA as well..awesome bunch of folks.....I'd also tell your former Sgt friend...that things have changed a bit since he's left...and as far as not knowing which way is up law wise....lets see SSPO academy and RI academy graduate...oh and I'm also due to graduate this winter with my Bachelors Degree in Criminolgy and Law from Suffolk....I got some news for ya pal....no place is perfect..I have some friends that work at some private schools.....that have yet to do a damn thing...Oh and BTW the way read tag line at the bottom there Jimbo.....Because I think ya got ripped off..

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by SGTJIM";p=&quot

A campus police officer that doesn't carry a firearm is a glorified security guard, sorry but it's the truth. At least if they had dorms they would do a little police work (A little that is).

SGTJIM;

Yikes!!!!!!!! Little bit of digression to some personal axe-grinding?????

SgtJack;

Relax buddy! you just can't reach some people. 87.45% of us out here realize the score..............the rest can just go screw themselves..........

Posted by: SGTJIM

With all those qualifications how come you work at a community college? Have you ever made an arrest at north shore? I doubt it-If you ever get on a municipality then you will know what real police work is. Go open some classrooms you janitor.

Posted by: Mikey682

Sgtjim, you are my hero.

Quit throwing poopies around just because the department name on his paycheck isnt as prestigous as yours.

One thing I have noticed about most hospital, college and all the other non-municipal cops is that they have much thicker skin than locals. The shit throwing isnt going to help your case.

Posted by: auntie0915

sgtjim

Ask your friend if the job put food on his table!!!

Posted by: SGTJIM

Sorry, i'm just telling you what i heard. No more negative comments about your Campus police department. you guys are well trained officers and i'm sure you deserve more respect. Again i'm sorry.....

Posted by: Sgt Jack

Actually I have made several arrests...and we also do the prosecution as well....no desginated police prosecutor...As far as getting on with a city dept...Well this is Mass and getting on with Civil Service is akin to hitting the lottery...as far as playing doorman...well ya got me on that one...but I'm sure that alot of "Real" cops have equally sh@tty tasks......

Posted by: TripleSeven

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Originally Posted by SGTJIM";p=&quot

The officers in the SSPO academy at this time will go through excellent training to do what? Absoloutely nothing. The SSPO academy was devised because the State wanted to use the academy when it wasn't being used for the RTT class. So they devise an academy that isn't recognized by any municipal departments in it's own state. Sounds like a brilliant scheme to me. It's like running a 26 mile marathon and winning the marathon, but you forgot to sign up for the marathon. A campus police officer that doesn't carry a firearm is a glorified security guard, sorry but it's the truth. What would they do on a felony stop, hold there streamlights and pretend it's a glock. At least if they had dorms they would do a little police work (A little that is).

Doesn't some other states accept the SSPO academy? Like Florida.. i heard if you have the SSPO and a couple years of police experience, such as NSCC, you could transfer just about anywhere down there after you take the 40 hour law course.

Posted by: stm4710

Saw the nice new rides the Danvers campus has. Althought I do wonder why there are TWO in Danvers and are always parked.

Posted by: Wannabe1

SGT Jim,

I love when goons like you come and talk your shit on this site. Not all of us are as LUCKY when it comes to CIVIL CIRCUS. Any moron can score mid to high 90's on that joke of a test. The hardest part about getting hired to a municipality is having residency in a town or city that is hiring.
BTW: The SSPO is harder than most MPTC's.

Posted by: SGTJIM

Who are you the Chief? You want me to find out more, i know guys i went to the academy with in Nahant, Salem and Beverly, Danvers, Swampscott. Maybe someone has something good to say about your department. Reputation goes along way sir.

ANYONE??????

Posted by: cj3441

I would advise anyone looking to get into LE to take whatever job they can w/the title of Police Officer. One of the things most municipal or State agencies ask in an interview is "what have you done to gain experience in the field" they know that being a campus Officer you weren't chasing the likes of Pablo Escobar around but it does show a sincere desire to get on the job/get training. Being armed or not may make a difference but when it's down to 2 people for the job and one has experience and the other has none....... as someone said before keep your mouth shut and don't get into any jackpots and it will be good experience.

Posted by: DOC

I talked to some guys in Swampscott who say that your dept has a bad rep because your Capt or Lt is the biggest horses ass ever to get in this field. Any truth to this??

Posted by: DOC

But i did hear that there are a lot of good guys that work at NSCC and one guy should not be responsible for a departments reputation. I would say to anyone give it a shot and see what comes of it. You have to start somewhere in this business. Also lots of prayers to Officer Shea who was hit in my town by an unlicensed driver.

Posted by: stm4710

Sgt. Jack I got your PM. Cant reply though.

Posted by: Wannabe1

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Originally Posted by SGTJIM";p=&quot

Who are you the Chief? You want me to find out more, i know guys i went to the academy with in Nahant, Salem and Beverly, Danvers, Swampscott. Maybe someone has something good to say about your department. Reputation goes along way sir.

ANYONE??????

I don't work at NSCC. I came in here and responded to the guy who was being a prick.

Posted by: Xyr_gt

Eventhough this post has been hijacked with nonsence and bickering, Thank you all for the information on this College Police Department.

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