| Originally Posted by justanotherparatrooper I love my glock 27...same size 40 cal |
| Originally Posted by BB-59 My personal choice is the S&W airweight .38 special with a 2 inch barrel. Very light, 5 rounds of +P sjhp, and the basic malfunction drill is pull the trigger again. Also being stainless requires less maintenance. I usually carry 1 HKS speedloader. |
| Originally Posted by SOT I vote for the NAA guns or the Kel-tec http://www.naaminis.com/32NAA.html http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/products.html |
| Originally Posted by Sniper Good luck with an NAA........ Been down that road and ended up buying a Seakamp. My off duty carry of choice is UNDOUBTEDLY my Glock 27, with Black Talon ammo !!!!! Weeeeeeeee |
| Originally Posted by Wolfman S&W 638 Airweight. 5 +P JHP's in a lightweight J frame and it won't jam on you. Just what the doctor ordered. |
| Im going to buy one soon. any sugesions? |
| Originally Posted by screamineagle I've never had a problem concealing either my sig 229 or my glock 23. |
m&p 40c - under $500 | Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag Nonbulky is my Seecamp 32c with pocket slipper laser sight. It fits in my front pocket like a wallet. |
| Originally Posted by TacEntry The Smith & Wesson 340PD is awesome. Small, light .357, packs a vicious wallop. Not a joy to go to the range with, but fits the bill for maximum firepower in a small and VERY light package. A little pricey, but worth it IMHO. |
| have been looking at those. how are you carrying it ? front pocket , inside the waistband......... and is it concealable with light clothing ? |
| Originally Posted by Kem25 On a side note: Does anybodies department policy state what somebody can carry off duty? I read ours the other day and it states that the preferred weapon to carry off duty is the duty weapon. |
| Originally Posted by Kem25 On a side note: Does anybodies department policy state what somebody can carry off duty? I read ours the other day and it states that the preferred weapon to carry off duty is the duty weapon. |
| On a side note: Does anybodies department policy state what somebody can carry off duty? I read ours the other day and it states that the preferred weapon to carry off duty is the duty weapon. |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy Departments like to set up policies or regulations as to what you are supposed to carry off duty, but it is more of legal smokescreen to shield them from liability than anything else. |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy Unless the department 1. Issued you an off-duty carry piece, and 2. Provided you with the training and ammunition, I would say they have no legal leg to stand on to tell you to do anything. In the past, many departments had "mandatory armed" policies, which stated that their personnel must be armed 24/7, unless they had some reason not to be armed. This has mostly gone by the wayside as departments became lazy and cheap about training and sacrificed officer-readiness to the altar of liability. |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy In answer to your question; my department has the same absurd policy stating they they would "prefer" that we used our duty pistol, off duty, if we decide to carry off the clock. HA....I love my Sig 226 but its about as convenient to carry as a .44 Magnum Blackhawk. |
| Originally Posted by pahapoika have been looking at those. how are you carrying it ? front pocket , inside the waistband......... and is it concealable with light clothing ? </IMG> |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy Departments like to set up policies or regulations as to what you are supposed to carry off duty, but it is more of legal smokescreen to shield them from liability than anything else. Unless the department 1. Issued you an off-duty carry piece, and 2. Provided you with the training and ammunition, I would say they have no legal leg to stand on to tell you to do anything. . |
| Originally Posted by PaulKersey Here's the angle some of the Chiefs, Commissioners use; If you activate yourself as a police officer, and fire your weapon off duty, we will back you {Liability, defence atty. etc. just as if working} as long as it's with a dept. authorized weapon. |
| Originally Posted by mpd61 Okay here I go; 1. Walther P-22 2. J-frame Smith snub .38/357 3 K-frame Smith 3" .357 4. Glock 26/27 5. Colt M1911 type 6. N-frame .41/44/45 Whatever you carry, you must have a secure quality holster, practice, and be able to draw, fire and hit a 6" circle at 7 yards in under 3-4 seconds. Thats if your serious about off-duty carry. If you're a recreational CCW person, you should at least have the right holster, and be familiar with your gun and practice with it |
| Originally Posted by Motor23 1.) Assess your risk factors........ 2.) OD weapon considerations............3.) How, why, what, when and where. being as a familiar with your OD weapon as your duty weapon.............. you should be in an avoidance mode especially when with family or as they would say non combatants. USE COMMON SENSE......... 4.) Train and Practice............................... 5.) Add’l equipment.., your official Police ID w/badge, cell phone, informing the non combatants that you maybe with what to do if the situation goes south, etc. One PO involved in recent OD shooting situation out of state resigned himself to seeking a position of cover and relaying information about shooter to his dispatcher until uniformed officers arrived. His thoughts were that he was out gunned small semi auto vs. large caliber weapon, he could not engage the suspect without a high probability of inflicting non collateral damage to civilians in area and most importantly sticking to a predesignated plan that he had formulated if involved in a OD deadly threat situation. I would have to give him "star of the day" for this one and his actions but I am also sure he was Monday morning by some of the experts who were not there. Learn from others 6.) Final Notes.., be reasonable and be realistic.., take an approach that will work for you and lastly remember "there are no safe zones |
| Originally Posted by bcibob670 Finally the best weapon for Concealed carry is your brain, fully loaded, well trained and able to handle any situation with sober judgment and common sense. |
| If off duty I would like the most bang for the buck so I would go for the Glock .45 compact model 30. At ten rounds it is great quantity and quality for a Concealed Carry. |
| Finally the best weapon for Concealed carry is your brain, fully loaded, well trained and able to handle any situation with sober judgment and common sense. |
| Motors 23 # 5 would be great if the State Police would answer the call when you use your cell phone. I had them hang up twice on several major accidents on 93/128. And a whole bunch of times they just never answered. Suggestion put all surrounding PD numbers where you work and live in your cell phone. Never the less Motors 23 #5 would be the best choice of action!!! |
| Originally Posted by SOT I vote for the NAA guns or the Kel-tec http://www.naaminis.com/32NAA.html http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/products.html |
| Originally Posted by HELPMe good luck finding a kel-tec in MA. I tried to get one into the state and got bitched. The seecamp is the only mass compliant pistol with that is the best mass compliant alternative to the kel-tec p-11 |
| Originally Posted by HELPMe good luck finding a kel-tec in MA. I tried to get one into the state and got bitched. The seecamp is the only mass compliant pistol with that is the best mass compliant alternative to the kel-tec p-11 |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy Of course you realize if you call a local department with a problem on the highway, they'll probably just forward your call to the state police. Also, barracks receive hundreds of calls for one accident, so don't just assume they don't know about it. When there is one trooper working the desk, not everyone gets the concierge treatment. I know sometimes when I've received my seventeenth call on the same incident, the party is lucky to get a gruff "Yeah, we know" followed by the dialtone. By the way...what does this have to do with off-duty guns? |
| Originally Posted by kttref  I got my girly gun (so I've been told)....glock 26. |
| I've had my eye on this puppy. Although there is the all black stealth model... |
| Originally Posted by HOLLYROCK50 Might I suggest a Sig P232 .380. Sig is a very reliable weapon and it is very easy to conceal. And wouldn't you know it, I have one for sale.... Check my thread on here. $450/BO. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 I don't mean to ruin your sale, but we had HORRIBLE experiences with the SIG P232. They were issued to command staff & detectives, and while easily concealable, they malfunctioned with alarming frequency after a few rounds when they got hot. |
| Originally Posted by HOLLYROCK50 This is not going to help me.... LOL. I haven't had any problems with it thus far. What were some of the problems you had? |
| Originally Posted by HOLLYROCK50 This is not going to help me.... LOL. I haven't had any problems with it thus far. What were some of the problems you had? |
| Originally Posted by HOLLYROCK50 JAP feed back is good. Just haven't heard this before. When it got hot, was the slide jamming? I do notice that the slide is very tight even when cold. I stripped it down and used a good lube (stop laughing) on the rails and havent found a problem. As far as ammo, I have never been a fan of cheap ammo so I don't shot it. Because its a .380 I tend to go with Hydra Shock for my carry ammo. I did the MCJTC 50 round qual course with it and had no malfunctions. |
| Originally Posted by HOLLYROCK50 JAP feed back is good. Just haven't heard this before. When it got hot, was the slide jamming? I do notice that the slide is very tight even when cold. I stripped it down and used a good lube (stop laughing) on the rails and havent found a problem. As far as ammo, I have never been a fan of cheap ammo so I don't shot it. Because its a .380 I tend to go with Hydra Shock for my carry ammo. I did the MCJTC 50 round qual course with it and had no malfunctions. |
| Originally Posted by Q5-TPR the minimum number your caliber should start with is 4. Just my opinion. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 So a .357 Magnum is no good? |
| Originally Posted by Q5-TPR Well, of course there are exceptions to the rule, LOL! |
| Originally Posted by Q5-TPR Nice Delta, I actually have the 342PD in 38+P. Well that is until my wife decided she liked it more and it is now hers! Now I use the Kahr PM40 as my back up. Still packing the Kimber Pro Carry II for my off duty. |
| Originally Posted by Q5-TPR Nice Delta, I actually have the 342PD in 38+P. Well that is until my wife decided she liked it more and it is now hers! Now I use the Kahr PM40 as my back up. Still packing the Kimber Pro Carry II for my off duty. |
| Originally Posted by charger Or you could just go with the old S&W snub nose revolver. |
shot 357's and 44/45's with speedloaders will keep up with the glocks. | Originally Posted by mpd61 Jeezum Bruce! Don't give up on old faithful yet brother! Those new Scandium smith's like eight ( shot 357's and 44/45's with speedloaders will keep up with the glocks. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 I love Smith wheelguns, but the days of a snub revolver for most off-duty carry are past. With these days of people treating shopping malls and school campuses as their personal shooting galleries, one should have a handgun powerful enough, accurate enough, and with enough capacity to go on the offensive against an active shooter. That's why I exclusively carry my Glock 26 off-duty, even though I have other options. |
| Originally Posted by charger A lot of good ideas, but I dont think so people actually carry everyday is so they must be like Mel Gibson with a shoulder rig and spare mags!!! A lot of the guns they have recommended are big. How do u conceal a 1911 or Glock 22 in a pair of shorts. Anyway good choice and i carry mine everyday all year round. Kahr P series P9 or P 40. And they all so have the Pm9 and Pm40 which are even smaller. You can check them out at Kahr.com. Great quality, small profile, light when loaded, very thin, Good double action trigger, life time warrant. Glock 26 or 27 good choice but they are still a thick gun. Wouldnt go below a 9mm, 32 or 380 have questionable stopping power by most creditable f/a publications or ballistic reports. Keltec questionable reliability also available in many publications. Or you could just go with the old S&W snub nose revolver. |
| Originally Posted by ninety_four_c Personally the Kahr is ok if your looking to scare them away with the bang, but the glock is much better for stopping power. |
| I love Smith wheelguns, but the days of a snub revolver for most off-duty carry are past. With these days of people treating shopping malls and school campuses as their personal shooting galleries, one should have a handgun powerful enough, accurate enough, and with enough capacity to go on the offensive against an active shooter. |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy to save some people's live and buy time for the cavalry to arrive. The .38 on your hip is better than the .44 mag you left at home. |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy I respectfully disagree. You are never going to have enough "firepower" to go head-to-head versus some nut with rifle or a shotgun, unless you walk around dressed like a flasher with shorty AR under your coat. You make up for lack of firepower with surprise, cunning, and good tactics. |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy The police officer in Utah who helped to stop the active shooter in the mall had a Sig 245 .45 with only seven rounds in it, and no spare magazine. A good pistol, but hardly a match for a shotgun. By ambushing the assailant he was able to pin him down long enough for responding officers to send him to his just reward. |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy Honestly, even though those of us who carry off-duty would like to think we could stop an active shooter, probably the best we could do against a determined killer with heavy weapons to throw a monkey wrench in the works and slow them down. By putting a couple of rounds in the killers' direction, we can hold him up long enough for the cavalry to arrive with patrol rifles, shotguns and better pistols than ours. |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy I plan to continue carrying my S&W Bodyguard in .38+P in the warmer weather because it is so damn convenient! Loaded with good hollowpoints and with a spare speed-strip with 6 extra rounds I have eleven shots to give bad guys a hard day. I feel well equipped to stop any potential muggings or carjackings, or other street-level crimes. While I won't say a .38 is my first choice for going against some maniac with a rifle or shotgun, neither is my .45 , .40 or 9mm pistols either! At the very least, I can put a couple of rounds in his flank or at least divert his attention to save some people's live and buy time for the cavalry to arrive. The .38 on your hip is better than the .44 mag you left at home. |
| Originally Posted by Delta784 I just don't feel comfortable with a snubby revolver anymore. |
| Originally Posted by mpd61 Yeah but I'll bet you could shoot the gonads off a fly at 15 yards with a 4" k-frame .357 you old fart! |
| Agreed, but you need something with enough "oomph" to end the fight once you get the drop on someone. |
| Once again, agreed; but, I would not feel the least bit comfortable wasting rounds when I only have 5 or 10-11 total and the reload time with a speedloader or speed strip is considerably longer than a magazine change. |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy Most guys I see who buy Sig 220's or Glock 21's for off-duty carry stop carrying them very quickly. Mostly because they are too big for easy conceal carry. |
| Originally Posted by Barbrady I have to agree and it is why I carry my 232. I carried a G39 for awhile but it was uncomfortable. The P232 is perfect for me but I will agree that even with high velocity .380 its marginal. |
A duty belt does not bother me one bit. Now my dogs are barking after 12+ hours. But, when it comes to off duty with a gun digging into my side thats another story. Maybe I need a better IWB holster. Cheap is for me = Uncle Mikes. | Originally Posted by Barbrady Cheap is for me = Uncle Mikes. |
| That explains it....the Milwaukee's Best of duty gear. |
| Originally Posted by Killjoy That is so true. BTW, I hate IWB holsters...I use Desantis mini-scabbards or speed scabbards, depending on the model. Just a personal preference. |
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