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With A Brand New SUV Emerson College Police To Impose Presence

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Posted by: fscpd907

With a brand-new SUV, ECPD to impose presence

Emerson Chief Noonan: 'It's almost like having another officer on the beat.'

By: Gabrielle Dunn

Posted: 11/29/07

Christmas is coming early for the Emerson College Police Department.

The department's new white 2008 Ford Escape Sport Utility Vehicle-customized with purple and gold graphics-will arrive by the beginning of winter break, ECPD officers said.

Deputy Chief Scott Bornstein said the two old police cruisers, a 1999 Dodge Caravan and a 2001 Chevrolet Impala, were traded in last week for the new SUV from MHQ Municipal Police Supply. The new cruiser is equipped with strobe lights, blue lights, a siren and inter-department and city-wide radio communication.

The vehicle will primarily be a show of the ECPD's presence, and hopefully a crime deterrent, ECPD Chief George Noonan said. It will be empty at times but the cruiser will be parked in front of 80 Boylston St. as a symbol of security.

"Especially on the corner of Tremont and Boylston, if a person sees a vehicle, they'll get paranoid because an officer can't be far away," Noonan said. "It's almost like having another officer on the beat."

Emerson's police department was able to purchase the SUV for less than its estimated $20,000 retail price because of its membership in the Greater Boston Police Council, which has a collective purchasing program with MHQ Municipal Vehicles. The council's Web site lists the price of the Escape for council members as $18,215 without the purple and gold graphic art. Noonan estimates the decals cost the department an extra couple hundred dollars.

The council's purchasing program, which applies to Ford Public Service Vehicles like the one the department purchased, expired this month, but was renewed for 2008, according to the council's Web site. The membership allows ECPD to be connected to 120 Eastern Mass. police departments by radio in case of a widespread emergency or announcement, as well as providing its members discounts on municipal vehicles.

Junior Jenna Petty said she would have felt safer seeing a police cruiser in front of the Little Building when she lived there last year.

"After seeing someone [getting assaulted] at 2 a.m., I'm all gung-ho for it," the marketing communication major said.

"I just want to come down and be able to hang out. I think it will deter bums from hanging in front of the building trying to get money from college students."

Bornstein said the Escape is made specifically for police use with a siren, light bar and radio capability, and is therefore unlike those found on commercial lots. It will become ECPD's only police vehicle, after the department traded two older vehicles for one new cruiser.

"Emerson doesn't have the west campus anymore so when the school is 95 percent on one block the need for multiple vehicles is negated," Bornstein said.

It is the second vehicle the Public Safety Department has purchased this year. The first was the shuttle van that runs between the Little Building and the hotel dormitories.

Sophomore Chris Boutillier, co-president of the Emerson Democrats, said he requested a police escort to the hospital last year for his sick roommate but the only cruiser available at the time had broken down.

"The officer ended up just walking with us to the hospital," the political communication major said. "I also think its a great idea to protect students from people not associated with Emerson but as an intimidation tactic to students, I'd say it's a bit much."

Noonan said he put in a request for the new vehicle to the college administration because the older vehicles were at risk of breaking down during crisis situations. The older vehicles' engines were worn out from sitting idle while on patrol. Noonan said the new cruiser is equipped with a stronger engine made for municipal use.

"It's important that we have the right tools when we need them," Noonan said, "and to make sure when the time comes, we have a cruiser that's ready to go." © Copyright 2007 The Berkeley Beacon


Posted by: sgt128-13

Quote:
Originally Posted by fscpd907
Christmas is coming early for the Emerson College Police Department.

The department's new white 2008 Ford Escape Sport Utility Vehicle-customized with purple and gold graphics-will arrive by the beginning of winter break, ECPD officers said.
So I guess our PD's two new Crown Vic's would make it an early Festivus!


Posted by: csauce777

Quote:
Originally Posted by fscpd907
With a brand-new SUV, ECPD to impose presence

Emerson Chief Noonan: 'It's almost like having another officer on the beat.'

By: Gabrielle Dunn

Posted: 11/29/07

"The officer ended up just walking with us to the hospital," the political communication major said. "I also think its a great idea to protect students from people not associated with Emerson but as an intimidation tactic to students, I'd say it's a bit much."
Another rocket scientist being churned out at Emerson. Idiot.


Posted by: mpd61

At least the students will feel more like being in Mom's car than in a crown vic!


Posted by: Sniper

biting tongue............


Posted by: ecpd402

Rest in peace mini van rest in peace


Posted by: CRASHPD

Quote:
Originally Posted by csauce777
Another rocket scientist being churned out at Emerson. Idiot.
Tell me about it. If your a student that lives in the Little Building (80 Boylston St) sometimes it's just faster walking a BLOCK & 1/2 to New England Medical Center on Washington St. Rocket Scientist definately not, Lazy yes!!!

Rest in Peace Mini Van (LOL) Thank god that painfull ordeal is over. Do all mini vans go to mini van heaven? Just A thought! If so I think I would rather go to hell then see that thing again!!!!

Enough of this shenanigans!!!

Stay safe brother's & sister's!!!


Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:
Originally Posted by fscpd907
"The officer ended up just walking with us to the hospital," the political communication major said. "I also think its a great idea to protect students from people not associated with Emerson but as an intimidation tactic to students, I'd say it's a bit much."
Personally, a life size poster of the meanest looking S.O.B. on the department with a scowl and the caption, "WE CAN KILL YOU WITH ONE THUMB!" is a better intimidation tactic to students. That coupled with late night phone calls stating "We're watching your EVERY move, we are your police department-don't screw with us." works every time.


Posted by: robodope

Jeusus......Poor ECPD....Can they degrade them any further?


Posted by: HELPMe

I would not call an escape a "step up" from an impala 9c1. Last time I checked there was no police package ford escape. I dont even think it comes in a special service package? Either way i guess its better than the mini-van but to only have one patrol car is dumb. What if it breaks down? Just walk 15 mins to a call?


Posted by: union1

Quote:
Originally Posted by fscpd907
With a brand-new SUV, ECPD to impose presence

Emerson Chief Noonan: 'It's almost like having another officer on the beat.'

By: Gabrielle Dunn

Posted: 11/29/07

Christmas is coming early for the Emerson College Police Department.

The department's new white 2008 Ford Escape Sport Utility Vehicle-customized with purple and gold graphics-will arrive by the beginning of winter break, ECPD officers said.

Well, when we got the Impalla people said "atleast its not purple"

Deputy Chief Scott Bornstein said the two old police cruisers, a 1999 Dodge Caravan and a 2001 Chevrolet Impala, were traded in last week for the new SUV from MHQ Municipal Police Supply. The new cruiser is equipped with strobe lights, blue lights, a siren and inter-department and city-wide radio communication.

Good Riddance to that goddamn mini van. and an escape outfitted with strobes is better than a revolving light ontop af a police hat. Not exactly sure what purpose a vehicle serves since the campus is contained in a matter of one or two blocks anyway.

The vehicle will primarily be a show of the ECPD's presence, and hopefully a crime deterrent, ECPD Chief George Noonan said. It will be empty at times but the cruiser will be parked in front of 80 Boylston St. as a symbol of security.

Many a vehicles have been valdalized in that spot, someone please post the first time this new one does.

"Especially on the corner of Tremont and Boylston, if a person sees a vehicle, they'll get paranoid because an officer can't be far away," Noonan said. "It's almost like having another officer on the beat."

From what I am hearing from credible sources, maybe it is better than some of the officers.

Emerson's police department was able to purchase the SUV for less than its estimated $20,000 retail price because of its membership in the Greater Boston Police Council, which has a collective purchasing program with MHQ Municipal Vehicles. The council's Web site lists the price of the Escape for council members as $18,215 without the purple and gold graphic art. Noonan estimates the decals cost the department an extra couple hundred dollars.

I revert back to my purple statement.

The council's purchasing program, which applies to Ford Public Service Vehicles like the one the department purchased, expired this month, but was renewed for 2008, according to the council's Web site. The membership allows ECPD to be connected to 120 Eastern Mass. police departments by radio in case of a widespread emergency or announcement, as well as providing its members discounts on municipal vehicles.

About freeking time they get on BAPERN "if this is the same thing"

Junior Jenna Petty said she would have felt safer seeing a police cruiser in front of the Little Building when she lived there last year.

"After seeing someone [getting assaulted] at 2 a.m., I'm all gung-ho for it," the marketing communication major said.

Jenna, dont say this too loud as I hear they beat up and lock in closets convervatives.

"I just want to come down and be able to hang out. I think it will deter bums from hanging in front of the building trying to get money from college students."

There is NOTHING that your going to do to get rid of Spare Change John short of talking him into becoming a suicide bomber and having him blow up somewhere on Long Island.

Bornstein said the Escape is made specifically for police use with a siren, light bar and radio capability, and is therefore unlike those found on commercial lots. It will become ECPD's only police vehicle, after the department traded two older vehicles for one new cruiser.

Mini Van... SIANARA

"Emerson doesn't have the west campus anymore so when the school is 95 percent on one block the need for multiple vehicles is negated," Bornstein said.

Scott, you rock

It is the second vehicle the Public Safety Department has purchased this year. The first was the shuttle van that runs between the Little Building and the hotel dormitories.

Shuttle van? I thought that was non existant when you got rid of West? I hope officers arent being forced to drive this on overtime again!

Sophomore Chris Boutillier, co-president of the Emerson Democrats, said he requested a police escort to the hospital last year for his sick roommate but the only cruiser available at the time had broken down.

"The officer ended up just walking with us to the hospital," the political communication major said. "I also think its a great idea to protect students from people not associated with Emerson but as an intimidation tactic to students, I'd say it's a bit much."

Chris is just a perfect protrait of they typical liberal Emerson student. Hes too lazy to walk the block to the hospital. 1 BLOCK!!!! I dont know him, but I bet he gets intimidated by the thought of a nakid female.

Noonan said he put in a request for the new vehicle to the college administration because the older vehicles were at risk of breaking down during crisis situations. The older vehicles' engines were worn out from sitting idle while on patrol. Noonan said the new cruiser is equipped with a stronger engine made for municipal use.

"It's important that we have the right tools when we need them," Noonan said, "and to make sure when the time comes, we have a cruiser that's ready to go." © Copyright 2007 The Berkeley Beacon

If its that important shouldnt they have guns? I like ya George but you cant be choosey when making these comments!


Where the hell are you guys coming up with these articles anyway?


Posted by: csauce777

Quote:
Originally Posted by union1

There is NOTHING that your going to do to get rid of Spare Change John short of talking him into becoming a suicide bomber and having him blow up somewhere on Long Island.
"Spare change...Gotta Quuaarrtteerr??" Oh man...I'm having flashbacks...stop!! I know some crazy shit that was done to that asshat, but he always came back.


Posted by: rg1283

Guns you don't need no stinkin guns. Just call the Capitol Police. Better yet Emerson owns MDC Police HQ, I mean all those Mets in the station there.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by fscpd907
"The officer ended up just walking with us to the hospital," the political communication major said. "I also think its a great idea to protect students from people not associated with Emerson but as an intimidation tactic to students, I'd say it's a bit much."
Who the hell is going to be intimidated by a Ford Escape???


Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Who the hell is going to be intimidated by a Ford Escape???
It's a liberal college, at least the car isn't a Mini Cooper.

Did a cage get put in or will transportation of prisoners be done while they are handcuffed to the roof?

***"It's important that we have the right tools when we need them," Noonan said, "and to make sure when the time comes, we have a cruiser that's ready to go." © Copyright 2007 The Berkeley Beacon***

That really IS a damn fool statement unless he's planning on doing the RIGHT thing and arming the cops. Otherwise, DAMN FOOL statement. A vehicle is essential but whereas the campus is covering a small area now (as Deputy Bornstein said) considering what that area is, wouldn't firearms be more of a priority than a vehicle.


Posted by: ecpd402

I don't see Noonan arming them, but I could be wrong. If the deputy chief becomes the chief than I think he will push for guns.


Posted by: SPINMASS

Do they have prisoners or does the admin kick them all loose?


Posted by: Deputydog522

Is this vehicle a HYBRID? Like the ford escape that mayor menino had!!! It is a very small vehicle, and they should of got a ford explorer. That would of been perfect for Emerson. Did anyone see what Suffolf university up the street form Emerson got? They got a 2007 Chevy Tahoe. It is loaded with a MDT, all low profile LED lights. And it has the balck and white paint job with big letters POLICE in the middle. It is really nice!!


Posted by: mpd61

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deputydog522
Is this vehicle a HYBRID? Like the ford escape that mayor menino had!!! It is a very small vehicle, and they should of got a ford explorer. That would of been perfect for Emerson. Did anyone see what Suffolf university up the street form Emerson got? They got a 2007 Chevy Tahoe. It is loaded with a MDT, all low profile LED lights. And it has the balck and white paint job with big letters POLICE in the middle. It is really nice!!
Suffolk P.D. vs. Emerson P.D. Like comparing apples and oranges buddy! Lucky they didn't end up with this rig!



Posted by: Kilvinsky

Once again I mention the Le Corner Washington Renault Le Car from the 80s. If you want to slam a police vehicle, this was the one. The chief of police did an ad for Renault while sitting in his 'cruiser'. It was PATHETIC...AND FRENCH!

Blasphemy!


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilvinsky
Once again I mention the Le Corner Washington Renault Le Car from the 80s. If you want to slam a police vehicle, this was the one. The chief of police did an ad for Renault while sitting in his 'cruiser'. It was PATHETIC...AND FRENCH!

Blasphemy!
It could have been worse;




Posted by: 5-0

Congrats on getting some new equipment. Is it me, or did the person writing this article sound like a 14 year old who just learned about police cars? It's got shiny blue lights and a strong engine... huh?


Posted by: FAPD

What the hell. ANY marked Police vehicle with lightbar is better than none. Who cares if it's a Prius or a Scion?


Posted by: Mikey682

Quote:
Originally Posted by FAPD
Who cares if it's a Prius or a Scion?
Because they look stupid?


Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey682
Because they look stupid?
People once thought that about bicycles.

I have to agree, not all cars make good looking police vehicles, but the only really important thing is having a reliable car to get you from point A to point B, quickly, safely, dryly and be comfortable for those long overnight shifts.


Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilvinsky
People once thought that about bicycles.

I have to agree, not all cars make good looking police vehicles, but the only really important thing is having a reliable car to get you from point A to point B, quickly, safely, dryly and be comfortable for those long overnight shifts.
I noticed you didn't mention police work so I guess you're right. You could save a ton of money by picking up some Ford Escorts.

Since who cares about looks.


Posted by: Deputydog522

or a Ford Focus!


Posted by: Kilvinsky

Who here remembers when Quincy PD was looking to lease a fleet of Mercedes-Benz? They didn't do it by the way. They test drove a couple but decided it was going to be more expensive than they first thought.

Who here remembers when Volvos were all the rage in CT.

Anyone recall in the early 80s when there was a bunch of Checkers patrolling a number of North Shore communities? I've got a picture of Peabody Checker. They just didn't look right with a light bar on the roof. A single bubblegum machine on the roof or a flashing light on the fender would have made more sense.

Looks are nice, but reliability is far more important.


Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Police vehicles should project a strong image. It is an image you are projecting and you drive down the street in a Ford Focus you look like an idiot.


Posted by: SPINMASS

I'll stick with my charger. It gets the job done.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilvinsky
Who here remembers when Quincy PD was looking to lease a fleet of Mercedes-Benz? They didn't do it by the way. They test drove a couple but decided it was going to be more expensive than they first thought.
That was former Mayor Frank McCauley's idea. The cost had nothing to do with it; Mercedes was actually going to donate a bunch of cars for the free publicity. The problem was that the mayor wanted diesel sedans for lower fuel costs and longer service life, and they were totally unsuited for police work.


Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
That was former Mayor Frank McCauley's idea. The cost had nothing to do with it; Mercedes was actually going to donate a bunch of cars for the free publicity. The problem was that the mayor wanted diesel sedans for lower fuel costs and longer service life, and they were totally unsuited for police work.
I stand corrected. I thought I read in the Ledger that the cost of maintaining the vehicles and the cost of potential repairs per the lease was going to be excessive. Memory lapse is not totally foreign to me, whoever I am.


Posted by: Andy0921

Quote:
Who here remembers when Volvos were all the rage in CT.



Posted by: Deputydog522

here are a few vehicles!!!


Posted by: CRASHPD

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpd61
Suffolk P.D. vs. Emerson P.D. Like comparing apples and oranges buddy! Lucky they didn't end up with this rig!
Now I'm not trying to start a pissing contest with Suffolk as I know a few of the guys over there who I have a great deal of respect for. But when you put comparing Apples to Oranges out there. I guess I have to respond in defense of my department (Emerson). Poke holes all you want at the vehicle Emerson has purchased in which I haven't seen physically. I also think everybody who has seen the Suffolk Cruisers and know just how nice they look are envious including myself. But it is what it is. As long as our new cruiser can get us from point A to point B, I really dont give a flying you know what about how its going to look. I have seen a picture of the finished product and it doenst look as bad as it sounds. I will continue to wave to you as you pass us on the Streets with no response back, thats the respect I'll continue to have for fellow officers and hopefully one day all of you will possess. I dont need Police written all over my vehicle in order to arrest the shit bag who breaks the law in or around our college campus wether it's 1 block, 2 or 3. Now back to the Oranges and Apples comment. The last I heard from one of the Suffolk guys is that the supervisors are the only ones who can drive said vehicle's and that a majority of the Campus Officer's get directly assigned to dorms or office buildings with little emphases placed on campus foot patrols. As for Emerson if you have your arrest powers you can drive. If you have your arrest powers you can walk our campus wether its 1 block 2 or 3. Last time I check we have property on Randoulph St, Washington St, Tremont St, Boylston St and Summer St which includes several blocks that we call our bubble in which crime happens and will continue to happen. Most of you will never understand this unless you have worked at this College. Again this is not a slam at Suffolk but a correction in the thought process when comparing Apples to Oranges. If you don't work at Suffolk then Suffolk I'm sorry and this whole rant is directed at the one who compared US to Apples and Oranges just as long as he or she includes bananas next time I wont get as upset. Because I'm almost going there!!! (Bananas) Remember one thing for the most part we are all battling similar wars. We should start banding together other then proving superiority. To all brother and sister officers, like I close all my responses stay safe and in this case have a great holiday season. Respectfully yours!!!!


Posted by: mpd61

Chill,
I only refer to the context of equipment and resources allocated. history relates as follows; Suffolk=crown vics v. Emerson=mini vans etc. Thats all folks!



Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRASHPD
Poke holes all you want at the vehicle Emerson has purchased in which I haven't seen physically. I also think everybody who has seen the Suffolk Cruisers and know just how nice they look are envious including myself. But it is what it is. As long as our new cruiser can get us from point A to point B, I really dont give a flying you know what about how its going to look. I have seen a picture of the finished product and it doenst look as bad as it sounds.
EXACTLY!
I am not nor would I advocate going out and turning little hatchbacks or whatever into police vehicles, but my bottom line is, it's (in my humble opinion) silly to get so hung up on 'looks'. What the hell is wrong with a damn mini-van? If you get into the simple practicality of it, as I see it, NOTHING. I've been in this business too long to have that hang up.

If you think driving a Crown Victoria will suddenly make you cool, no matter where you work, it ain't happening. You are what you are, no matter where you work. A vehicle is there for transportation purposes only. Looking stupid would be if you were driving a pink car with yellow lights. It would be a God awful color combination. As long as it's marked in a reasonable manner, it's going to work as a police vehicle and almost everything but a compact car will function nicely.

Lots of folks talk about how fast their car should go. Well, as I see it the only ones who really need any speed are the Troopers. Only a damn fool would get a cruiser (or ANY car) up over 50 in an urban , so how much friggin' power does the car need? So long as it can handle idling for hours on end, what the hell difference does it make if it's got a powerful engine?

And as far as comfort goes, I made a joke in an earlier post about getting through a night shift, well, no matter what shift you work, if you're in a vehicle, you want to be comfortable, don't you? Or would you rather suffer some cramps in order to look cool? We have two cars with no cage. The downside is we can't transport prisoners in them, so we have to rely on the other cars or the wagon. The UP side is, they're the most damn comfortable cars we got and people want to get in them. I'm blessed to get to use both since I cover those two sectors! hee hee hee. The Crown Victorias with the cages are cramped and uncomfortable, even for NON-fat guys. Spend 8 hours uncomfortable in order to look cool and you deserve every ache and pain you end up with.

I'm ranting, so I best quit here. Crown Victorias are great, but let's be realistic and realize they are NOT the be all and end all of Police Vehicles. Check out just ONE police car photo site and look at all the shit they drive all over the world and realize that any car can be a REAL police car.

I think I made my point. If not, screw it.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilvinsky
What the hell is wrong with a damn mini-van? If you get into the simple practicality of it, as I see it, NOTHING. I've been in this business too long to have that hang up.
But apparently not long enough to have been involved in a triple-digit vehicle pursuit. If you want to try that while driving a mini-van, that's something I want to see.


Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
But apparently not long enough to have been involved in a triple-digit vehicle pursuit. If you want to try that while driving a mini-van, that's something I want to see.
I've been in a few vehicle pursuits, none of which hit triple digits and if one even came close, I would NOT have to hear Boston or whomever ask me to break if off, I'd HAVE to break it off to change my shorts. Like I said, I don't go over 50 (maybe once or twice) in an urban enviroment. Going in the line of duty is one thing, but to go because I was stubborn, nah. I'd rather let the lowlife go than give him the satisfaction of knowing his actions caused caused my actions which caused my death.



Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilvinsky
I've been in a few vehicle pursuits, none of which hit triple digits and if one even came close, I would NOT have to hear Boston or whomever ask me to break if off, I'd HAVE to break it off to change my shorts. Like I said, I don't go over 50 (maybe once or twice) in an urban enviroment. Going in the line of duty is one thing, but to go because I was stubborn, nah. I'd rather let the lowlife go than give him the satisfaction of knowing his actions caused caused my actions which caused my death.
The nature of vehicle pursuits is that we very rarely get to dictate the circumstances. The last time I was involved in a triple-digit chase was going after a guy who shot at a state trooper during a traffic stop, and was pointing the gun out the window at us during the chase.

We eventually lost radio contact when we got into Plymouth County (we were the only units in the chase at that point), but still chased him until he bailed out and ran into the woods. He was caught the next morning. Was I going to voluntarily break off a pursuit of someone who shot at another cop? Not unless I ran out of gas or my wheels fell off!!!

Back to the point at hand; a mini-van is completely inappropriate for vehicle pursuits (be they 50 or 100mph) or even a priority response. They're great utility vehicles (my wife drives one), but they're severely limited as a police vehicle.


Posted by: new guy

How about one of those turbo mini vans, or one with flames painted on the side or a cool decal with the number 18 on it. You feelin me ?


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by new guy
How about one of those turbo mini vans, or one with flames painted on the side or a cool decal with the number 18 on it. You feelin me ?
Only if it has spinner rims and a lowering kit, dawg.


Posted by: new guy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Only if it has spinner rims and a lowering kit, dawg.
I take it you haven't seen Peyton Manning's most recent pep talk commercial on mini vans yet. Although the spinners would be a nice touch. Preferably 21 inch chrome.


Posted by: sgt128-13

Quote:
Originally Posted by new guy
I take it you haven't seen Peyton Manning's most recent pep talk commercial on mini vans yet. Although the spinners would be a nice touch. Preferably 21 inch chrome.
Saw that commercial this weekend and LMAO!!!!! Thought the one about the rock-hard abs was funny too!


Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:
Originally Posted by new guy
How about one of those turbo mini vans, or one with flames painted on the side or a cool decal with the number 18 on it. You feelin me ?
well, if every department used "car 18", that might work. Aaaaaaahahaha


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by new guy
I take it you haven't seen Peyton Manning's most recent pep talk commercial on mini vans yet. Although the spinners would be a nice touch. Preferably 21 inch chrome.
Who hasn't seen that commercial?? It's friggin' EVERYWHERE!!!

I've actually seen spinner rims on a decrepit old Dodge Caravan, hence my comment.


Posted by: new guy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Who hasn't seen that commercial?? It's friggin' EVERYWHERE!!!

I've actually seen spinner rims on a decrepit old Dodge Caravan, hence my comment.
I got ya. Kidding aside, I agree that mini vans aren't well suited for emerency response. Even in a state that pretty much considers motor vehicle pursuits to be taboo, you never know when you're gonna be coding to a serious incident in progress or to aid an Officer in trouble. I'm not really sure I want to be navigating the city streets to such calls in a mini van.


Posted by: JMB1977

Congrats on the SUV...its better than the Holy Cross minivans...


Posted by: 227

So what happens when all the criminals realize that the vehicle is ALWAYS empty?? So much for the scare tactic..


Posted by: SPINMASS

I am sure someone will have to drive it around at least once and a while.


Posted by: CRASHPD

Hey 227 & Spinmass!!!

Not easy being dumb-ass's! I have for instance transported prisoners without a cage. Not the smartest way to do things, but sometimes it has to be done. It can be done safely and effectively. Meaning with an Officer in the back during your transport, shit bag cuffed, seatbelt nice and tight, keeping said shit bag behind the passenger seat, you know right? But again I guess you have all the answers and know the best way to police. I can also take a guess as to the department you work for. I wont go there now! Keep up being critical of other departments equipment. If this makes you feel better inside give yourself's hug also. Being a dumbass cant be easy!


Posted by: union1

oui vey


Posted by: SPINMASS

Not quite sure what your talking about, all I said was that the cruiser would at some point get some use. However keep running your trap, it gives me something to read working the mid shift.


Posted by: CRASHPD

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPINMASS
Not quite sure what your talking about, all I said was that the cruiser would at some point get some use. However keep running your trap, it gives me something to read working the mid shift.
I apolygize if I mis-understood your previous statement. It just seems like poeple have been taking some shots at Emerson. Now grant it we have our problems like most departments, but i was just getting sick of hearing about the dam car we purchased! Enough said. Sorry again for the mis-understanding! Happy holidays to all! Screw it Merry Christmas! & Happy new year!!!!


Posted by: 227

Hey Crash..

Not really the angle I was going for either.. but take it however you want i guess.. The point is that the myth out there is that private schools all have so much money to work with.. when reality speaks that the state schools are the ones getting grants for things that will actually be used.. it seems all the private schools get the shaft and the administrators look for aesthetic ways to solve the crime problem (ex, parking a flashy cruiser in a high sight area).. and don't even get me started on the clery stats.. ask any private school president.. there is no crime at private schools remember?

happy holidays everyone!


Posted by: SOT

So I hear the the new police vehicle was already vandalized! That was quick.
PS they should have bought a hybrid.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRASHPD
Hey 227 & Spinmass!!!

Not easy being dumb-ass's! I have for instance transported prisoners without a cage.
What no trunk?


Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by 227
Hey Crash..

The point is that the myth out there is that private schools all have so much money to work with.. when reality speaks that the state schools are the ones getting grants for things that will actually be used..
True, Massasoit sent a sarge to grant writer school. She got some nomex gloves for the SRT.


Posted by: Kilvinsky

Private schools do tend to play games with money. I know of one school that almost DOES have all the money in the world and yet the cruisers get replaced slower than bridge supports on state highways. Go figure. SOME folks get nice shiny new vehicles, but not patrol, but then again, emergencies are not really important.


Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by Kilvinsky
Private schools do tend to play games with money. I know of one school that almost DOES have all the money in the world and yet the cruisers get replaced slower than bridge supports on state highways. Go figure. SOME folks get nice shiny new vehicles, but not patrol, but then again, emergencies are not really important.
Those problems aren't just at private schools, trust me.


Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta784
Those problems aren't just at private schools, trust me.
Oh, I know, but at least the Public institutions have an 'excuse'. But you're right on the money.


Posted by: union1

I was over there on Wed and it hasnt even been picked up yet. Sounds like some bum information.

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Originally Posted by SOT
So I hear the the new police vehicle was already vandalized! That was quick.
PS they should have bought a hybrid.


What no trunk?



Posted by: CRASHPD

Quote:
Originally Posted by 227
Hey Crash..

Not really the angle I was going for either.. but take it however you want i guess.. The point is that the myth out there is that private schools all have so much money to work with.. when reality speaks that the state schools are the ones getting grants for things that will actually be used.. it seems all the private schools get the shaft and the administrators look for aesthetic ways to solve the crime problem (ex, parking a flashy cruiser in a high sight area).. and don't even get me started on the clery stats.. ask any private school president.. there is no crime at private schools remember?

happy holidays everyone!
Hey 227, I owe you an apolygy as well. I miss understood the statements that were written by both spinmass and yourself and for that I'm sorry! The Clery Stats I can agree with you for the most part, but its pretty much impossible to hide in our case especially when our department is generating something in the line of 2000 plus reports a year. Our Private College also has an urban setting, not like the other private schools that have enclosed campuses. Boston's crime stats that happen on and around our campus get incorported into the final stats as well. Respectfully to all of you out there on the job may you all have a fun and safe holiday season! Crash is out of here!

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Originally Posted by union1
I was over there on Wed and it hasnt even been picked up yet. Sounds like some bum information.
The new Emerson Vehicle is being picked up from the dealer on Wednesday 26, 2007 (Merry Christmas Emerson PD) This is fact, we will see about some pictures for everbody to drool over! HAHA Kidn stay safe everyone!


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilvinsky
Oh, I know, but at least the Public institutions have an 'excuse'. But you're right on the money.
Those problems aren't just at public schools either, trust me.


Posted by: Kilvinsky

I checked the vehicle out last weekend. Not bad. It's looks good and very professional. I noted that PUBLIC SAFETY is the title on the vehicle. I recall when the college wanted that but the cops fought it and two vehicles never had a title on them, and they looked good simply saying EMERSON COLLEGE in the "Boston" style of font. Bridgewater State went through that many years ago. The college did NOT like the word police but the cops wouldn't tolerate anything else and the car simply said Bridgewater State College in red letters on a blue car. That car didn't look so good, but the Emerson ones did.

I see nothing wrong with Public Safety on a Police Vehicle. Hell, there are worse things and it's nothing more than a PC way of saying Police anyway.

Nice vehicle. I hope it lasts a good long time. Good luck with it ECPD.


Posted by: new guy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilvinsky
I checked the vehicle out last weekend. Not bad. It's looks good and very professional. I noted that PUBLIC SAFETY is the title on the vehicle. I recall when the college wanted that but the cops fought it and two vehicles never had a title on them, and they looked good simply saying EMERSON COLLEGE in the "Boston" style of font. Bridgewater State went through that many years ago. The college did NOT like the word police but the cops wouldn't tolerate anything else and the car simply said Bridgewater State College in red letters on a blue car. That car didn't look so good, but the Emerson ones did.

I see nothing wrong with Public Safety on a Police Vehicle. Hell, there are worse things and it's nothing more than a PC way of saying Police anyway.

Nice vehicle. I hope it lasts a good long time. Good luck with it ECPD.
I remember those old cruisers, solid navy blue with white lettering which looked pretty sharp. They eventually changed the design and put there old patch on the door which also looked sharp. I'm glad to hear that they went with an SUV instead of a mini. That was once a real up and coming department and I hope that things improve over there once again. Good luck from me as well.


Posted by: CJIS

Ford Escape?


Posted by: Deputydog522

Its really a smaller version of the explorer, if Im correct?


Posted by: HELPMe

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Originally Posted by Deputydog522
Its really a smaller version of the explorer, if Im correct?
Sort of except it doesn't resemble a ford explorer in any shape or form except the blue oval. It is a compact suv, meaning more car like then truck like. I guess its better then nothing or something worse like a prius or contour. Poor Emerson, atleast the Impala said police. Now that your in public safety ville good luck trying to get out.


Posted by: ecpd402

Putting public safety on the cruiser was probulary the college president's idea. I don't think the Deputy Chief or the senior LT would ever vote for putting public safety on the cruiser.


Posted by: BubbaGump14

I've seen some of those Emerson Officers, How do they all squeeze into an Escape??????? I'm assuming you drive from the rear seat????
Just kidding......At least it's not a segway....


Posted by: union1

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Originally Posted by BubbaGump14
I've seen some of those Emerson Officers, How do they all squeeze into an Escape??????? I'm assuming you drive from the rear seat????
Just kidding......At least it's not a segway....



Posted by: davemcs

here she is...does not seem to have moved much in the past week. The new SUV and Student Shuttle have been sitting in the same spots for a number of days now.




Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by davemcs
here she is...does not seem to have moved much in the past week. The new SUV and Student Shuttle have been sitting in the same spots for a number of days now.
Oh boy! yum yum, I like seafood!!! As far as the Escape goes, they probably don't want it to get too dirty until they sweep the streets!



Posted by: CRASHPD

Be advised thats were both vehicles are parked when not in use. The shuttle van has been out of service since christmas break and wont be operatonal for close to another week. The cruiser dose leave its purch from time to time, but I guess if your standing there 24/7 you know better! What else is new out there in the Campus Police World other then our cruiser. Mmmm maybe all the actors Emerson had over on campus this past tuesday. Everybody like Marrisa Tomei, Dany Glover, Viggo Mortenson, Josh Brolin, Mike O'mally, John Ledgon, and a slew of others! My point is there are other things going on in our world other then our cruiser. Stop beating the dead horse! Peace out!


Posted by: ecpd402

I rather have the mini van


Posted by: new guy

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRASHPD
Be advised thats were both vehicles are parked when not in use. The shuttle van has been out of service since christmas break and wont be operatonal for close to another week. The cruiser dose leave its purch from time to time, but I guess if your standing there 24/7 you know better! What else is new out there in the Campus Police World other then our cruiser. Mmmm maybe all the actors Emerson had over on campus this past tuesday. Everybody like Marrisa Tomei, Dany Glover, Viggo Mortenson, Josh Brolin, Mike O'mally, John Ledgon, and a slew of others! My point is there are other things going on in our world other then our cruiser. Stop beating the dead horse! Peace out!
Maybe it's the lowered expectations from the previous posts talking, but I don't think it's all that bad. What did Marissa think ?


Posted by: CRASHPD

Quote:
Originally Posted by new guy
Maybe it's the lowered expectations from the previous posts talking, but I don't think it's all that bad. What did Marissa think ?
Hey New Guy, thanx, I hear ya! As for Marissa I think she liked the purple. I was thinking about a patfrisk the whole time! She is still smoking hot. It was a fun past couple of days getting to chat with these celebrities that we only realy get to see on the big screen. Anyway hope everything is going well out there for everybody and may you all continue to stay safe!!!!


Posted by: DodgeRam

Wait why does it say public safety? No more police


Posted by: Kilvinsky

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Originally Posted by DodgeRam
Wait why does it say public safety? No more police
Some college administrators get very jumpy at the word "police" and some chiefs won't argue. Simple as that.

Public Safety is a perfectly good term, sadly it's just over used and sometimes inappropriately, but there's really nothing wrong with it. Public Safety implies authority without that scary "p" word.


Posted by: Deputydog522

It looks good!! Is the LED lightbar blue?


Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilvinsky
Public Safety is a perfectly good term.
No it's not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilvinsky
Public Safety implies authority without that scary "p" word.
No it doesn't.


Posted by: CRASHPD

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
No it's not.



No it doesn't.
I'll keep the can of worms open! So we know what it's not. So what is it then 94c? Everybody has an opinion. But at the end of the day it still won't change a thing regarding our cruiser! I look at it this way. If it gets me to call safely and can keep me dry, I realy dont care what is put on the side of our vehicle's. It could be worse, I mean Melrose PD is placing advertising space on their vehicles, Atleast thats the last I heard anyways! But again everbody needs to add their 2-cents. Stay safe Brothers & Sisters!!!!


Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRASHPD
I'll keep the can of worms open! So we know what it's not. So what is it then 94c? Everybody has an opinion. But at the end of the day it still won't change a thing regarding our cruiser! I look at it this way. If it gets me to call safely and can keep me dry, I realy dont care what is put on the side of our vehicle's. It could be worse, I mean Melrose PD is placing advertising space on their vehicles, Atleast thats the last I heard anyways! But again everbody needs to add their 2-cents. Stay safe Brothers & Sisters!!!!
Nothing personal, I just think "Public Safety" is a Kool-Aid word. My opinion was not meant to reflect on the actual job that anyone does.

But then again, I still say Law Enforcement while others say Criminal Justice.

I say prisoner they say inmate.

I call it Walpole they call it Cedar Junction.

I call them Jails, they call them Houses of Correction


Posted by: new guy

Atleast it doesn't say Campus Security and have amber lights.

I agree that police would be best but then again, I still say Great Woods, they call it the Tweeter Center

I still say the Boston Garden, they call it The TD Bank North Garden

I still say the California Angels, they call them the Los Angelas Angels of Anneheim.


Posted by: Kilvinsky

For many years MIT's vehicles had "campus patrol" on the side. I'm not the biggest fan of PUBLIC SAFETY, but it IS way ahead of Security or Protective Services or even Security Police. No, it's not perfect and yes it is used a little too much by some who have no police authority, but what are you going to do? It sounds professional to MOST people and that's enough for me. Ask the guys at Merrimack college who had to endure "Campus Security Police" on their patches for a few years if Public Safety would be worse?

To-may-to, to-mah-to.


Posted by: HELPMe

It has been my experience that unless it says POLICE on the side of your cruiser, people will think you are security. Unfortunately, the public is dumb and naive and unless there are big bold letters and blue lights in their face they wont think you have police powers. I think public safety is applicable if you employ both sworn and unsworn members in your department. Some call their departments public safety and police services. Which isn't much better but at least it says police in it. I think the SUV looks good Emerson PD. Good Luck stay safe.


Posted by: Kilvinsky

HELPMe, I honestly do agree that Police is the better term for spelling out who you are to the overly uninformed public and the term Public Safety is best used when used as an umbrella title of the department, but I cannot stress enough, it's far from the worst term out there and heck, there are municipalities using it.

and yes, I know it's different for them.

I can't comment any more. I stand by my earlier posts and that's it. Not angry or fully disagreeing with ANYONE, but I can't say how I feel any other way. If you agree, wonderful, if not, God Bless America.
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BTW HELPMe, is that Jenna Jameson? How can one not love a beautiful woman who does all she does and who shares the name of a wonderful Irish Whiskey?


Posted by: BubbaGump14

So Crash are the lights blue????, I heard they are purple too.........


Posted by: CRASHPD

94c, I agree with everything you say. Everbody who replied after thanx and I agree with everything that is being said. But again it is what it is. I cant even begin to count the number times I've hear from the local pushers, drug using, criminal breakers over the years, that we are all fake cops and there is nothing I can to them. Instead of getting pissed off like I used too. I know simply state to them as I'm placing them under arrest, that they are abolutely right. I am a fake cop and these are fake handcuffs and ill be taking you to a fake jail house and you can explain to the fake judge that you were arrested by a fake cop (No Pun Intended) It's at this time they bow their heads and relize defeat, its pretty funny to witness. Again to all be safe!




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