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Posted by: USMCTrooper

Gov spanks Middlesex sheriff for snub

pank:
By Ann E. Donlan and Kimberly Atkins
Thursday, January 27, 2005

Dirty jails and phone calls from the governor that went unanswered added up to zero extra cash for Middlesex Sheriff James V. DiPaola in Gov. Mitt Romney's budget.

DiPaola, a former Democratic state representative, was the only sheriff to have his $49.54 million budget level-funded by Romney.

That means he will get the same amount and not a nickel more next year unless lawmakers bail him out. Other sheriffs got the governor's approval for a 2.1 percent budget hike.

Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey said she toured the Middlesex House of Correction and had ``some concerns about hygiene and safety for the prisoners,'' but DiPaola showed an ``unwillingness'' to discuss the issue.

Romney said, ``I have found the sheriff's office there to be unresponsive, and therefore we have not given them the same increase that we have given the other sheriffs.''

DiPaola did not return a call for comment.

BUT NOW I CANT BUY A BRANDY NEW BRADLEY FIGHTING VEHICLE WITH OPTIONAL HELLFIRE MISSLES TO DRIVE ON PATROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: k9sheriff

Well I guess I will have to eat my words from my other posts about him not being an idiot.But there are some good officers from that department I know.

Posted by: USMCTrooper

Hummer’s illegal blue lights may dog ‘deputy’
By Ann E. Donlan

It's quite a sight on the road - a black Hummer roaring along with flashing blue lights.

But the vehicle tagged with a Middlesex Sheriff insignia does not have the required state permit to display emergency lights, according to the Registry of Motor Vehicles.

The privately owned vehicle, with the vanity plate ``DSHERFF,'' is proudly displayed on the Web site of the Middlesex Deputy Sheriffs' Association.

The private, nonprofit group does community service with a pool of 900 members.

Its members are either reserve or sworn civilian deputy sheriffs, and work closely with Middlesex Sheriff James V. DiPaola.

Not only does the car's driver not have a permit for lights, but he applied for one this past summer, and was denied the permit, according to an RMV spokeswoman.

``We didn't see that there was any evidence that he needed it for official purposes,'' said RMV spokeswoman Amy O'Hearn. ``We are pretty choosy.''

The vehicle is registered to Dominic Zaia of Sudbury, an association member. Zaia also is a DiPaola campaign contributor who lists his occupation as a ``V.P./Arc. Welding Co.''

Zaia could not be reached for comment. DiPaola's spokesman, Mark Lawhorne, did not return calls from the Herald yesterday, but last week he said the vehicle uses the lights only for parades.

Michael M. Giacoppo, executive director of the association, also did not return a phone call.

The Herald has reported that the Middlesex group receives special badges that have been largely banned in other counties and carry absolutely no law enforcement powers.

Under state law, the head of the agency must sign the blue light permit application to state that the person is qualified and needs a permit for official duties. Violations of the 1949 statute range from $100 to $300.

This "agency" sounds completely out of whack. For the sake of decent hard working corrections officers employed I hope DiPaola pays attention to the jail and its people or leaves Massachusetts.

Posted by: Foxracingmtnridr

And on the side of it it says Mounted Unit

Scott

Posted by: j809

For a second there, I thought it was the MSP STOP team. Quite a resemblance.

Posted by: Wolfman

Looks more like a group of dinosaurs, slowly and inexorably plodding toward extinction.

Mounted unit, hmm? I wonder which one of them they mount?

Do they have a bicycle unit as well?

Posted by: BlackOps

Pretty sad looking group.

Posted by: Jasper

perfect example of why the real police do not take sheriff departments seriously - politically connected through relation or donation wannabes who couldn't make it as police. the MPA should lobby both the State and Federal governments to stop giving sheriff departments $$$$ for vehicles, etc that should be going to 9-1-1 responding agencies. Every inch of Massachusetts is incorporated as a city or town - sheriff departments in this state should be ashamed at misrepresenting themselves in their blatant attempts to get federal $ for things like "community policing" and emergency vehicles.... WHERE is the MPA !!!???

Posted by: mpd61

Oh BOY!!!!!!!!!

Lets see jo and otto justify this GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mpd61

oh and in the spirit of the thread heading...........................

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by Jasper";p=&quot

perfect example of why the real police do not take sheriff departments seriously - politically connected through relation or donation wannabes who couldn't make it as police. the MPA should lobby both the State and Federal governments to stop giving sheriff departments $$$$ for vehicles, etc that should be going to 9-1-1 responding agencies. Every inch of Massachusetts is incorporated as a city or town - sheriff departments in this state should be ashamed at misrepresenting themselves in their blatant attempts to get federal $ for things like "community policing" and emergency vehicles.... WHERE is the MPA !!!???

Jasper,

Call your State Senator and State Rep. There is a bill pending in the Legislature to restrict SHeriff's Police powers to county property only.

That way the Sheriffs will have to stop wasting their money and the feds money on police related stuff and he can spend it on the Jail.

Posted by: truthbetold

jasper,

I find it appalling that you would say something like "that is why REAL police departments dont take sheriffs departments seriously." You see I work for a REAL department and i extend every courtesy towards these hard working individuals. Unlike you, myself and other LE officers included are not stuck in this macho bravado bullshit. Do your job professionally and represent your department. Do you actually sit in the cruiser running owner operator through the system drooling becuase he works at the sheriffs department? What a hero you are. I'm going to cite him because he is a political hack look at me. Step of the mound of self riteousness. It is policemen like you that give others a bad name. Bbelichick and vor at least take the right approach at informing others what they can do to better the circumstances. You know why? Because they are professional. Do us a favor think before you speak.

Posted by: Jasper

'betold, stop fabricating things. where did i say i run deputies through the system and seek to cite them ? if a political hack flashes a badge he gets treated like anyother citizen - no better. i give c.o's and full time deputies respect and courtesy - it's the hacks that this thread is about that i think are a joke. there is no need for the charade they pull. i equate the typical "pay or hold a sign to be appointed as a deputy" with sparkies.
If the sheriff departments acted like the DOC and simply concerned themselves with doing their own job they would be taken seriously. there is no justification for them having motorcycles, swat mobiles and other things that they purchase with our tax dollars.

Posted by: truthbetold

perfect example of why the real police do not take sheriff departments seriously

I believe that is what you said in your comment. If you meant something else than write something else. I just find it amazing that you would say that. It is unprofessional. As for the fact of funding . That is another issue. I am sick of the bashing that is all. Who cares what THEY do. I focus on what WE do. WE have our job and THEY have theirs. Leave it alone it is a dead issue that will never change.

Posted by: SOT

Wait a second, this is the same group that was selling those badges for campaign contributions right? and they have these "pseudo" offical business vehicles running around? WTF?
I wonder how many of those "professionals" in the picture actually work for the DOC.

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Originally Posted by USMCTrooper";p=&quot

Gov spanks Middlesex sheriff for snub

BUT NOW I CANT BUY A BRANDY NEW BRADLEY FIGHTING VEHICLE WITH OPTIONAL HELLFIRE MISSLES TO DRIVE ON PATROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jasper

'betold, like YOU said "we have our job, they have their job." my point exactly. just do your own job and there are no problems. No deputy is hired to respond to 9-1-1 calls or do traffic enforcement - period. They also should not be sucking up scarce resources meant for police to purchase equipment. This is not california or florida - sheriffs are not police here and they are not expected or paid to masquerade as if they are.

Posted by: Wolfman

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Originally Posted by truthbetold";p=&quot

perfect example of why the real police do not take sheriff departments seriously

I believe that is what you said in your comment. If you meant something else than write something else. I just find it amazing that you would say that. It is unprofessional. As for the fact of funding . That is another issue. I am sick of the bashing that is all. Who cares what THEY do. I focus on what WE do. WE have our job and THEY have theirs. Leave it alone it is a dead issue that will never change.

Well, that's exactly the case though, isn't it? I mean, if you are a sworn police officer, be it state or local, you have to take the Sheriff seriously - as a threat to your job and livelihood. And the funding goes part and parcel with this - it enables this situation to exist and you have your head in the sand if you don't care what "THEY" do.

"WE" do have our jobs and "THEY" have theirs - unfortunately it seems like some of "them" all of a sudden want to do some of "our" jobs, and have this neat little way of circumventing the entire process that all of "us" had to endure! Is this fair to those state and local cops who endured months and even years of exams, preparation, exams, testing, exams, waiting, exams, rejection, training, break-in, long nights on dog watch and doing the shittiest jobs in the department for a Sheriff to wave his magic wand over some hack and magically transform him into a cop?

Is it fair that the SD can be gallivanting around in a decked out Hummer, sipping cafe latte in their "command post", patrolling YOUR TOWN in sparkly new cruisers and motorcycles when full time departments are driving around in 7 year old shitbox deathtraps with rotted floorboards and exhaust leaks? What do they care if their presence and funding is withholding vital money and equipment from your department? They can always find another hack job or go back to what they were doing before they bought their ticket to the Sheriff's fundraiser and got this cool new job. Where are YOU going to go? How much of the money sunk into the Sheriff's flights of fancy could have been used to save the jobs of our brothers in Springfield?

I don't think anyone here is bashing the Sheriffs who stay in their own element. What you're perceiving as bashing is in fact hard-working cops who are trying their best to protect what is theirs and what they have rightfully worked for and earned.

Posted by: truthbetold

VOR

I can understand your thoughts. But why are We discriminating against these deputies? They are not the ones that instill this power in them. the SHERIFF himself is the sole one responsible. The governor of the state is also to blame for this. He is the one allocating the funds to the sheriffs department. The federal government also is granting the resources and funds to them. I don't see any justification in directing the anger towards someone who is doing their job as they are ordered.

You are right they are not responding to 911 calls. They have backed me up when they were nearby and heard the call. I was grateful. Do I think they will be patrolling the streets I do. NO. Do they patrol anywhere in this state as directed? I beleive NO. As far as details go the surrounding smaller departments contract them for deatails because they can't fill them. They don't take someones job there either.

Sheriff's deaprtments dont have a 911 service. Therefore they don't provide one. I am not going to say limit all their powers because we feel we are better. Until they actually take someones job in the form of patrolling then i will speak out against this in the only form known to do it. The state government.

As far as the grant money goes yes they are using up a great surplus. LEt me ask this though: If Middlesex county bought that mobile unit and offered it to anyone who needs it, what is the big deal. They are not saying this is mine get your own. They are providing a service. They let you run the show just you use their equiptment. My county sheriffs department is professional and they dont masquerade around like heros. They are all good officers. I have had inservice with them and they know their job.

In closing I will say thiss: I wish my department had more funding. But I will not degrade someone for fullfilling their job. Blame the Sheriff, politicians, and local government. The little people are trying to feed their families too.

Posted by: Foxracingmtnridr

Smile it's almost Spring

Scott

Posted by: Clouseau

One day I observed a couple of these Sheriff's motorcycles coming down Rt. 93. They were both in the fast lane talking to each other like Ponch and John.

I inquired and found out that the sheriff didn't have motorcycles. I was told that these guys aren't real deputies, but the guys that go to the bi-annual fund raiser and get gold stars issued to them. This gives them the right to have the sheriff insignia and blue lights on their personal bikes? This really does give the guys walking the tier a bad name.
I picture my self going out and buying a new Harley police special and putting blue lights and my dept's insignia on it. Ya right!

One day someone will be involved in an accident with one of these phony sheriff vehicles. {Hummer/motorcycle}. When the sheriff/county is named in the suit, it will be over.

I was in a function hall in Malden last year. One of these phonies in front of me pulled out his gold star and asked the hall manager if he could get the law enforcement discount if he rented the place. They gave it to him.

If anyone is looking for a new gold star, let me know...I have quite a collection.

Posted by: USMCTrooper

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Originally Posted by Clouseau";p=&quot

One day I observed a couple of these Sheriff's motorcycles coming down Rt. 93. They were both in the fast lane talking to each other like Ponch and John.

I inquired and found out that the sheriff didn't have motorcycles. I was told that these guys aren't real deputies, but the guys that go to the bi-annual fund raiser and get gold stars issued to them. This gives them the right to have the sheriff insignia and blue lights on their personal bikes? This really does give the guys walking the tier a bad name.
I picture my self going out and buying a new Harley police special and putting blue lights and my dept's insignia on it. Ya right!

WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!

Personal bikes with blue lights?? Didn't the RMV deny a blue light permit for the owner of the Hummer?? Thats a personal vehicle also. What's the difference!? Write down the plate, run the listing and forward it to the RMV. If they can't have it then they can't have it. WTF? Just do what someone else already figured out-turn them in. That is being diplomatic-if you want too be fair, cite them. Any other citizen would be treated the same way.

Posted by: Clouseau

[quote="USMCTrooper";
WAIT A MINUTE!!!!! :
Personal bikes with blue lights?? Didn't the RMV deny a blue light permit for the owner of the Hummer?? Thats a personal vehicle also. What's the difference!? WTF? , cite them. Any other citizen would be treated the same way.[/quote]

I don't know if the Hummer was denied. I do know if you scroll up to the top and look at the picture of it....It's blue!

The problem is most cops don't know they're not official bikes. I didn't until I inquired. The cops I talked to had no idea.
Not only are they not official bikes, their not real deputies!

The sheriff doesn't mind because it looks like he has more equipment and it adds to his image. The guys riding these bikes, well...they used to ride the short bus!

Posted by: Wolfman

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Originally Posted by truthbetold";p=&quot

VOR

I can understand your thoughts. But why are We discriminating against these deputies? They are not the ones that instill this power in them. the SHERIFF himself is the sole one responsible. The governor of the state is also to blame for this. He is the one allocating the funds to the sheriffs department. The federal government also is granting the resources and funds to them. I don't see any justification in directing the anger towards someone who is doing their job as they are ordered.

We are not discriminating against the deputies, we are challenging their acceptance of appointments and assignments that threaten our jobs. They do not instill the power, yet they seek and accept it and therefore are responsible for their positions. None of them were drafted; they all volunteered. The function of the Sheriff is corrections, not enforcement; and in that venue he should remain.

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You are right they are not responding to 911 calls. They have backed me up when they were nearby and heard the call. I was grateful. Do I think they will be patrolling the streets I do. NO. Do they patrol anywhere in this state as directed? I beleive NO. As far as details go the surrounding smaller departments contract them for deatails because they can't fill them. They don't take someones job there either.

Ask a New Bedford cop if they though that the Sheriffs would be patrolling their streets. They were. Why is the Worc. County SD listed in the rundown of departments relative to racial profiling numbers on traffic stops? They write that many speeding tickets in the jail parking lot? Reflect upon Sheriff Hodgson's reign if you want to see incursions of SD into the traditional role of a Massachusetts Police officer:
http://www.s-t.com/daily/08-00/08-06-00/a01lo007.htm
Another article:
http://old.commoncause.org/states/ma...al_5-23-04.htm
Be sure to rear the last line in that article:
Sen. Panagiotakos, vice chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, said the Sheriff Department's budget is reviewed by an analyst, but added there is little direct contact on the budget between the department and legislators. Panagiotakos said he assumes DiPaola is making the best use of his money.

"I guess he allocates his budget the best way he sees fit," Panagiotakos said. "I have nothing that tells me it isn't appropriate. As long as it's used for the Sheriff's Department, then it's appropriate."

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Sheriff's deaprtments dont have a 911 service. Therefore they don't provide one. I am not going to say limit all their powers because we feel we are better. Until they actually take someones job in the form of patrolling then i will speak out against this in the only form known to do it. The state government.

Again the discussion over "better" starts...the only thing that should matter is that a Sheriff is a better correctional officer and a police officer is a better cop. I can cook better than the guy that makes the breakfast in the local restaurant. Does this then give me the right to walk into his kitchen and make everyone's ham and eggs?

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As far as the grant money goes yes they are using up a great surplus. LEt me ask this though: If Middlesex county bought that mobile unit and offered it to anyone who needs it, what is the big deal. They are not saying this is mine get your own. They are providing a service. They let you run the show just you use their equiptment. My county sheriffs department is professional and they dont masquerade around like heros. They are all good officers. I have had inservice with them and they know their job.

The Big Deal is the funds used for that Mobile Command Parade Vehicle, or Sheriff Hodgson's 25-foot Boston Whaler patrol boat, or that last year, the Middlesex Sheriff's Department spent $658,000 on 33 new vehicles. This is while local departments will not send officers to court because they can't afford the overtime, vehicles and equipment are broken and aging, officers are being laid off. They know their job? No, they know YOURS.

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In closing I will say thiss: I wish my department had more funding. But I will not degrade someone for fullfilling their job. Blame the Sheriff, politicians, and local government. The little people are trying to feed their families too.

We all have to eat. Some are willing to work for food and others are just looking for a handout. If your house is too hot in the winter, don't open the windows and let the heat out, turn down the thermostat so someone else can share the resources and keep from freezing.

Posted by: j809

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Maybe they snuck in as Blue Knights. I heard they have Blue Light permits issued for their motorcycles.

Posted by: j809

Hey the Asian dude has been identified, it's WILLIAM HUNG.

He got appointed as a Lieutenant Deputy Sheriff after JAY LENO paid for the HUMMER.

Posted by: j809

NEW SHERIFF DEPARTMENT CRITICAL INCIDENT COMMANDERS APPOINTED

Posted by: Dane

Coming soon to a NEMLEC callout near you!

Posted by: odob16

I love how most of you are knocking the MSO. The department is made up of four hundred officers that work in the jail and prison. We see shit that goes on everyday that people will never deal with. I guarantee that people talking trash, like Jasper, are probably campus or small town cops that have nothing to do. I think I even saw an aux say someting. We have cuffed more people in one week than most of you will ever cuff. So stop trashing the department because a few older guys donated money, that has nothing to do with the job we do after we punch in. Thanks.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by odob16";p=&quot

I love how most of you are knocking the MSO. The department is made up of four hundred officers that work in the jail and prison. We see shit that goes on everyday that people will never deal with. I guarantee that people talking trash, like Jasper, are probably campus or small town cops that have nothing to do. I think I even saw an aux say someting. We have cuffed more people in one week than most of you will ever cuff. So stop trashing the department because a few older guys donated money, that has nothing to do with the job we do after we punch in. Thanks.

1. Many of us here were Correction Officers before we became cops, so you can drop the "we've cuffed more people and we deal with bad guys 8 hours a day." stuff because we've heard it all before.

2. No one is knocking the C/O's. We are against Sheriffs Deputies taking valuable resources from Police Departments so they can pretend to be police.

If you don't like the bashing, go to your Sheriff and ask if he can discontinue his wasteful and useless spending of Jail funds on Police services/equipment and instead improve YOUR working conditions and staffing levels.

Posted by: odob16

thats the stupidest thing I ever heard, "go to your sheriff" come on buddy, your probably at work right now with nothing to do

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by odob16";p=&quot

thats the stupidest thing I ever heard, "go to your sheriff" come on buddy, your probably at work right now with nothing to do

Nope, I'm at home.

Why is that stupid? Do you have a Union? They could do it. Or maybe you LIKE playing fake police.

I offered you a solution, you mocked me. Stop crying about the trials and tribulations of the American Correction Officer and get another job then.

Posted by: j809

Big deal, since when does handcuffing people make you a cop or a some sort of super sheriff. Give me a break, Stop & Shop security handcuff more shoplifters than you do on certain days,that doesn't make you a cop at all. I worked very hard, didn't have any connections in getting a job and worked very hard for it, by putting myself through the MPOC academy, earning a Master's Degree and working my way up from Auxiliary to FT officer. That is the difference, not one deputy sheriff assigned to K9,Gang and Drug Units and other specializations earned their job through a fair and objective selection process. Your job and my job are as different as apples and oranges. You have no clue what it is like to make certain decisions in a fraction of a second with no one else around at 3 am on a dark road with a carload of 4 shitbirds and backup is another town pd miles away. Your sheriff academy has a different curriculum then the police acadey, different jobs. My 21 week MPOC academy does not prepare me at all to go and work in a prison just like your sheriff's academy does not prepare you to do police work. Now I understand that some deputy sheriffs were allowed to attend the FT MPOC academy in order for them to work in drug units and gang units. They had no business attending the FT academy and this has been addressed and corrected with the formation of MPTC and new rules and guidelines. Those deputies worked in Lawrence and the city lost a huge grievance and have to reimburse the officers tens of thousands of dollars because those deputies took that money from the mouths of those officers. That is another reason why the Sheriffs will not succeed in MA as they are in the South, unions here are very strong and will not sit back and wait for deputies to take over policing in MA. That picture summed up everything, how any hack, tom, dick and harry can buy a badge, they could attend a ft academy and drive Hummers with blue lights.

Posted by: Foxracingmtnridr

Edited Cause getting PM's from people is annoying

Posted by: stm4710

VOR, ever think about running for state rep/senator?

Posted by: BlackOps

odob16, go take your meds. The only reason you have a job is because we do our jobs and put the shitheads into your facilities.

Posted by: MSP75

The COs @ Essex and Middlesex are great guys. The ones I interact with at the Middleton jail look professional and always are a great assistance w/ prisoners. ODOB16, as others have pointed out, you guys are behind the fence/wall doing your job providing support to the rest of public safety. Unfortunately, the ones the public see and the ones giving POs a hard time on traffic stops are the aforementioned yahoos. Do you think any trooper or PO would keep his mouth shut if a yahoo/Homer Simpson type ran around w/ a MSP or Municipal badge and uniform. HELL NO!
On another note... We all need to look at what our roles are, stick to it and do our best. The Brotherhood is crumbling. The grant money and Flynn will be gone not to far in the future. What will happen then? Remember the layoffs? They could happen again. When you are sucking in fumes in the cruiser, you'll wish new cruisers (& other essential equipment) were Homeland Security priorities instead of those new shiny Crime Scene and SWAT vehicles. When towns can no longer send guys to a tactical callout, you'll wish STOP was still funded. Lets not forget that the Sheriff depends on votes and contributions, regionalization depends on grant money now and your property taxes later, and the thin blue line depends on the road warriors and investigators.

Posted by: truthbetold

j809

Aren't you a campus cop? I was reading your post with the dig toward sheriffs departments and you said when you were on patrol at 3 am. and your nearest backup was a town away. What campus were you talking about? I read a few of your past posts and one said you were dispatching and at midnight you were going to play. Play what? I am just curious. i am not knocking you in any way. Just curious. You had a lot of venom spewing so I thought I would ask.

Posted by: truthbetold

Why are people so angry?

Posted by: Wolfman

Not angry. Frustrated.

Posted by: j809

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j809

Aren't you a campus cop?

If you read all my posts before opening your mouth, you would see that I used to be a campus cop. Read and heed.

Posted by: truthbetold

I did read and heed. You see I think that you are here as an auxiliary or campus police trying to stir up the shit pot. Either way it doesn't matter to me. Your comments were just disparaging to say the least. I bet when you were a campus cop or aux cop, and you were picked on it pissed you off. Now that you are a REAL POLICEMAN I see that you are the one pissing. That was my point.

You like some others forget where they come from. It wasn't fun for you then, so why attack someone now? Oh because you feel that you can because socially you are accepted here as a policemen. Or so you say.

You remind me of the skinny little boy on the beach that got sand kicked on him. Then you get bigger and kick sand now.

Posted by: j809

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Originally Posted by truthbetold";p=&quot

I did read and heed. You see I think that you are here as an auxiliary or campus police trying to stir up the shit pot. Now that you are a REAL POLICEMAN I see that you are the one pissing. That was my point.

I am proud of where I came from and worked with a great bunch of officers. We as a department knew our jurisdictions, boundaries and got along very well with the FT officers as an auxiliary and got along great with the local pd where I workd campus because I had enough crap to deal with on my campus and didn't need to chase calls off-campus. The only crap I give is to deputy sheriffs, not COs, different job. Sorry if I offended you but I do not support or respect anyone that got their job by holding a political sign.

Posted by: truthbetold

And again I don't think you can tell who these so called deputy sheriffs are. They perform a duty just like you. They are not out there stealing jobs from anyone around the worcester area. I have worked with a few k-9 officers from the sheriffs dept (great trackers). They are helping whoever needs it.

As far as them taking your job like you stated or funds, why in another post did you write that the state police were patrlling Brockton. I find this amusing because there was no negativeity towards them. Yet aren't they taking someones job? They are out there patrolling the street you wrote. Is this ok? Right they are qualified and deputies aren't I see. YEt the taking of the job aspect is neglected here because they are the state police. You have job envy. I am very happy with my job, my assignment, and my career. Deputies do not rile me up, nor are they taking my resources. Grants are grants, and they are dispersed by the government. They are the ones that I complain too.

To the state police: I am grateful for the job you provide and this is no way a dig toward you personally. I am merely making a point here. I am just bringing to light something that seems to draw ire towards the sd and should be universal. We should all be fair and unbiased. Keep up the good work everyone and be safe. Remember my job is no more important than yours and so forth. Come home safe.

Posted by: fscpd907

Let's not forget about the Dispatch staff

Posted by: coppah914

=D>

Posted by: anesthes

I guess I just don't understand what all the bickering is about.

Sheriff's in Mass have the least powers of Sheriffs that pretty much any other state, and you folks want to reduce them further?

(and i'm not talking about political sheriffs, I'm talking about real ones)

It just seems dumb to me. We need more trained people with badges on the streets, not less. What the hell is wrong with you people? "My badge is better than your badge". Jesus, grow up and do what you swore you would.

People think I'm crazy because I spend my weekends / holidays working for my previous, and current department after working a 40 hour week at my civilian job. And you know what, if my name was called I'd throw away my 100k a year IT job for low-paying full time LEO position because I think it is honorable.

Again. What is wrong with some of you? Where is the brotherhood I've been hearing about?

Posted by: Jasper

odob, like many people here, i was both a state correction officer and a campus police officer. i work in a large, civil service police department as a full time police officer now. no one is knocking c.o's. it is clear that many of us have issues with some deputies who lust to be police officers as evidenced by their comments and actions. i doubt any of us have problems with K9 deputies or Transportation deputies - it's the ones that seek to do a police officers job, which they were not hired to do, that many of us are annoyed with.

Posted by: wordstew

Could someone clarifty for me:

Is this site called MassCops or MaddCops

Posted by: mpd61

fscpd907,

I SOILED myself after seeing that picture! GO MCLEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(did he sign a card yet?)

Posted by: wpd518

Just a thought -

Wouldn't it be great if the sheriffs took care of prisoners and crated a central lock up lick the WMS system mandates instead of dumping money into Swat trucks and Swat teams and motor cycle units that nobody wants or needs.

Just a thought from someone that has to deal with their lack of priority.

Posted by: wpd518

Just a thought -

Wouldn't it be great if the sheriffs took care of prisoners and crated a central lock up like the WMS system mandates instead of dumping money into Swat trucks and Swat teams and motor cycle units that nobody wants or needs.

Just a thought from someone that has to deal with their lack of priority.

Posted by: k9sheriff

wpd518,please show me where in the mass laws that the sheriff's department's sole responsibility in the commonwealth is nothing but taking care of prisoners.You and others need to stops associating the sheriff's departments in this state with the D.O.C.the only link with the D.O.C. is the management of the prisoners and stops at that(or mass cmr's)As for the sheriff's department receiving all their fancy equipment that all comes from a very crafty grant writer they have.If an agency like the MSP wanted some of the things they have where then was their grant writer.I'm not saying i'm pro them having all this stuff, but then again they are the ones going after it all.You see some of the people on this site really don't like politics, but take a good look in what country you live in.It's how things work.If you don't like it, change the political scene.I think if the sheriff's in this state really wanted to do more it would not be difficult.What are some of you going to say if the sheriff's decide to run their own law enforcement academies.Trust me, they have the money and resources, and by law they are police officers.It would not be that hard for them to push the legislature to change warrantless arrests.Just something to think about.And no, i'm not for any of this, just creating conversation.

Posted by: MSP75

Our grants are written. Unfortunately, MSP grant writers have the SP command staff and then Fynn and his boys to look over the grants. The Sheriff does not. So for SP, there is a level of politics between the writers and the givers.

Posted by: yutyut1

Just a question??? I thought county government was abolished years ago. Am I wrong??? Do Sheriff's fall under this??? and why are there still Sheriff's if the county form of government was abolished.

I say make a superintendent of jail/prisons. 1 man to streamline and oversee the states jails. Just a thought

Posted by: k9sheriff

If I am correct eight out of the fourteen counties are state employees while the rest remain county government.Thats what it was the last time I checked anyway.I assume the county government was abolished to streamline certain entities and save money.I would also assume in order to abolish county sheriff's you would have to change the state constitution, or have a voter referendum as they did in Conneticut.Anyway I'll just go with the flow and hope for the best.

Posted by: MSP75

K9Sheriff is correct. County gov't was at the whim of the General Court. The office of Sheriff is a constitutional office. An amendment would be necessary.

Posted by: wpd518

If Sheriffs are police officers -

Why can't they go to the police academy ?
Why can't they go to inservice training ?
Why can't they write Ch. 90 ?
Why can't they just start a central lock up and take care of prisoners ?
Why do they need to bother us at 4:30 in the morning when they want to lock somebody up and they tell us they need a police officer to go with them.

That is all.

Posted by: wordstew

Why are some Police against Sheriffs going to the academy??
Why are some Police against Sheriffs going to inservice training??
Why are some Police against Sheriffs having chapter 90??

Why do some Police feel they know what's best for the Sheriffs??

Why does a Police officer feel like he's being bothered at 4:30 in the morning for being asked to do his job by assisting a Brother Law Enforcement Officer?

Why are some Police so hostile to all other Law Enforcement Officers????

Why is The Thin blue Line Getting Thinner???

Posted by: PearlOnyx

WPD,

I think the flaw in your argument lies, in that Deputy Sheriff's are not Police Officers. They are Deputy Sheriff's, with distinctly different powers and authorities than that of police officers. To answer some of your questions:

Why can't they go to the police academy ?

I am assuming that you are referring to MPTC. At present it is my understanding that Campus Police Officers can not attend either. How does that effect your argument? Similar to how the state has created a Special State Police Academy specifically for campus police officers, the Sheriff's Departments, possibly through Mass Sheriff's Association could create their own academy as well.

Why can't they go to inservice training ?

See Above

Why can't they write Ch. 90 ?

Commonwealth v. Baez fairly clearly authorizes this. If you are referring to citation books, see above note on campus police officers. It seems that they can't either.

Why can't they just start a central lock up and take care of prisoners ?

Our department has looked in to securing a central lock up for our county, and have taken the steps up to and including a large study on how it would be set up and where it would be located. At present time, from my understanding the department has met opposition from some of the selected locations, and I've also heard that it would be cost ineffective to build and staff a separate system, where the present "safekeep" system was more financially effective. Note: Just my opinion and overhearing of rumor. This does not represent the opinion of my department.

Why do they need to bother us at 4:30 in the morning when they want to lock somebody up and they tell us they need a police officer to go with them.

I think that this depends on the issue at hand. Again Deputy Sheriff's are not police officers, but Deputy Sheriff's with separate powers and authority. Your comments are also not representative of all departments as well.

If you've been here for more than a week or so, you'll know that I do not support the idea of the Sheriff's Departments taking over any sort of primary law enforcement duty, given the financial situation in our state, and our correctional facilities. I work both as a full-time corrections officer and a part-time police officer, so I can see the arguments from both sides of the fence. It is not that the Sheriff's Departments could not take over primary police duties, it is that the infastructure is not in place, and in general, they shouldn't. We need to staff our facilities in a safe and financially responsible manner first.

Posted by: fscpd907

PearlOnyx

Just a quick note:

Private college CPO's can't write CH. 90
State College CPO's can and do write CH. 90

Posted by: PearlOnyx

FSCPD,

This quote, which you yourself posted from the Patriot Ledger, would seem to contradict that statement (See Campus Police Form):

"Bridgewater State College campus police are blasting orders from the state to give up their motor vehicle citation books and quit writing tickets, enforcement tools officers say they need to battle everything from underage drinking to speeding to drunken driving."

Unless something has changed, it seems that Bridgewater State, a state college has been ordered by the state to stop writing tickets.

Posted by: j809

Pearl Onyx, that is incorrect. State College PDs still write CH90, what they are complaining about is that they cannot get new books issued until issues is resolved. Their CH90 books are still good and arrests and citations are still being issued.

Posted by: thumper2168

That applies only to the actual Sheriff

Posted by: k9sheriff

I'm lost, what applies only to the actual sheriff?

Posted by: mpd61

Looks like this State school has CH.90 powers..........................

Posted by: RPD931

This is turning into another Police v. Sheriff thread as well as "Real PO's" v. CPO's....

Let's not get hostile on the topic(s)...

Posted by: PearlOnyx

True, they can write chapter 90 at present, but according to the news story have been advised not to by the RMV:

"Bridgewater State College campus police are blasting orders from the state to give up their motor vehicle citation books and quit writing tickets..."

The quote from the paper may be incorrect, however. Even if they still have the authority, but eventually will not have the citation books (due to the RMV refusing to issue them) it is a step in the direction of eliminating that authority. Honestly, I could really care less, but an interesting argument all together.

Posted by: mpd61

Pearl,

The BSC PD (among others) was erroneously identified by Ms. Katie Ford of the EOPS as making "illegal" traffic stops. Ms. Ford is "Ms. Informed"
I'm certain the poor woman was told that under CH22C there are no CMVI provisions.

Obviously she is unaware of CH73. Sec 18, etc etc etc. In any event the topic of the Middlesex Sheriff being "rebuffed" as it were, is spinning off into space with peripheral topics.

The bottom line is that EOPS and the RMV will soon have to turn their attention to better matters if and when House Docket#230 gets passed by the legislature.

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