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Posted by: 40th MPOC#309

My people tell me MSP is considering running a Municipal Recruit class at the SPA. Any intel, people?

Posted by: Sgt K

I hear the good, the bad, and the ugly about "proposed" municipal academys each week. Have not heard anything about a municipal one at New Braintree.

Posted by: okie317

february

Posted by: mikemac64

Is this proposed class run by MSP or run by MPTC at the MSP academy? Big difference.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Run completely by MSP, Chelsea and Holden already have guys signed up, heard today.

Posted by: okie317

a little birdie out at the SPA said the DI's would be troopers and the other classes would be taught by various municipal instructors

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Interesting, I heard otherwise, we will see.

Posted by: okie317

supposedly it's all still in the works

Posted by: Mikey682

Finally I'll be able to shoot the sh*t with local guys about academy rifle drill!

Posted by: Albundy

"My people tell me MSP is considering running a Municipal Recruit class at the SPA. Any intel, people?"

Isn't it nice to "have people".

Posted by: soxrock75

Will this be a "live-in" academy or a commuter?

Posted by: okie317

http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/mptc/...emy_112907.doc

Posted by: JMB1977

I I did hear that from a buddy attending the 19th sspo at the SPA now. It would be a first...

Posted by: 40th MPOC#309

One of my people came to me and told me the recruits can stay or commute. If they stay, they will have to come up with currency for evening chow. More to follow.

Posted by: misconceived

Quote:

Originally Posted by okie317

http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/mptc/...emy_112907.doc

The more to follow has been posted already.

Posted by: O-302

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMB1977

I I did hear that from a buddy attending the 19th sspo at the SPA now. It would be a first...

What would be a first? Municipal PO's attending the MSP Academy?

I attended the MSP Academy @ Framingham (71st MPOC). It was a live-in academy at the time. Staff and instructors were MSP only.

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

Goodbye Mass Criminal Justice Training Council

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Goodbye Mass Criminal Justice Training Council

I think they already left a few years ago when you weren't looking.

Posted by: new guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Goodbye Mass Criminal Justice Training Council

Having a municpal academy at a non MPTC training site is nothing new.

Posted by: alphadog1

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Having a municpal academy at a non MPTC training site is nothing new.

Lowell, Worcester, and Waltham, are few that are not at a MPTC site.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphadog1

Lowell, Worcester, and Waltham, are few that are not at a MPTC site.

Waltham doesn't run their own academy.

Posted by: new guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphadog1

Lowell, Worcester, and Waltham, are few that are not at a MPTC site.

You can also add the MBTA, Boston, Foxboro, and Weymouth to the list. I wouldn't read too much into New Braintree running a municipal academy.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by new guy

You can also add the MBTA, Boston, Foxboro, and Weymouth to the list. I wouldn't read too much into New Braintree running a municipal academy.

Foxboro and Weymouth do not run their own academies either.

Posted by: new guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

Foxboro and Weymouth do not run their own academies either.

Maybe not currently or on a regular basis but they have run them before.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Foxboro NEVER ran one and Weymouth NEVER RAN ONE. What you are refering to is Foxboro Police Academy and Weymouth Police Academy, which are run by the MPTC.

Posted by: Edmizer1

I graduated from the Waltham PD's academy. It was run by the city PD. They used to run one about every year although although its been about 8 years since they ran one. I think they just do in-service now. Obviously they had to use the MCJTC standards at the time but they ran independent of the council. They would only accept outside depts they were comfortable with. Depts. that rountinely sent problem children to weren't invited back. I think their ultimate demise might have been that if you play "pick and choose", you can't get outside funding from state to run your class.

Posted by: new guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

Foxboro NEVER ran one and Weymouth NEVER RAN ONE. What you are refering to is Foxboro Police Academy and Weymouth Police Academy, which are run by the MPTC.

Well alrighty then, maybe those two were run by the MPTC but there are still plenty of other MPTC approved academies that have run indepent of them over the years. Unless there's evidence that the MSP is planning a hostile takeover of all municipal police training than I wouldn't assume that the MPTC is toast based on this one class in New Braintree. That's pretty much the point that I am trying to make. Who knows, maybe your privvy to some inside information and if they do get phased out than I'll be the first one to say that I was wrong. Until then, I'll believe it when I see it.

Posted by: Mikey682

Why is everyone getting thier panties in a bunch about the MSP running a municipal academy? It's not like it's never been done before.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

Waltham doesn't run their own academy.

They most certainly do; I went there myself almost 20 years ago. They don't do basic recruit classes anymore, but they still do in-service I believe.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Exactly they don't do recruit classes, that is why I said Weymouth and Foxboro NEVER ran a recruit class. I know Waltham used to have a recruit class, as Brockton had one too.

Posted by: new guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

Exactly they don't do recruit classes, that is why I said Weymouth and Foxboro NEVER ran a recruit class. I know Waltham used to have a recruit class, as Brockton had one too.

Weymouth did hold a recruit class several years ago, but as you correctly pointed out, Weymouth is run by the MPTC. In the past Weymouth PD has hosted training at there station so I assumed that the Academy was run by Weymouth PD. My bad.

Posted by: afd414

Not trying to get off topic here, but I wanted to introduce myself and also see if anyone else is attending this academy. I will be attending through the northborough police, but not hired by them. I am a northborough resident and am looking forward to this opportunity.

Posted by: badgebunny

Quote:

Originally Posted by afd414

Not trying to get off topic here, but I wanted to introduce myself and also see if anyone else is attending this academy. I will be attending through the northborough police, but not hired by them. I am a northborough resident and am looking forward to this opportunity.

How can you be attending the Full Time Academy through Northborough if you aren't employed by them? I thought that in order to self sponsor to the Full Time Academy you had to have an affiliation with the department...am I wrong? I am so

....

Posted by: Hb13

I work up at the dispatch center infront of the SPA, I always love when they have academy classes up here. Especially when it's the Student Trooper Program, I will go out side and watch the parents dropping off the kids. I'd say bout 5 out of 20 want to be here. The other 15 are usually yelling,crying or screaming when they are dropped off and the parents usually leave rubber when the kids get out.

AFD 414 Good luck up here not sure who your DI's are going to be but if I am correct in my assumption the PT will be "fun".
Also quick hint, if there is snow still (hard to tell with the weather) you will most likely be parking in the lot in front to the right (inverted) of the dispatch center and if the DI's do to you what they do to the SSPO and MSP Recruits make sure you fill in from the farthest away and park nose out it will save you from being yelled at, for a bit.

Posted by: afd414

Thanks for the tips hb. You have to be sponsored through an agency, any agency with a chiefs signature to attend an academy from what I an told bb, I was supposed to go to boylston in August of 07 but it has been on float since then and the New Braintree academy had a definite start date, I opted for that. From what I hear now, Boylston has a date no matter what the recruit number is butI feel as though New Braintree May be a better place anyway with no distractions at night Because you can stay there (optional)

Posted by: afd414

I just got word that this academy will be put on float until April 28th or May 5th

Posted by: Albundy

Starts in March. Can live there if you want but all must have a assigned room in barracks and maintain it whether you stay or not.

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

I heard NEMLEC is putting together a member only department academy held at Camp Curtis Guild in Reading sometime this spring. Anyone else hear the rumor?

Posted by: Sniper

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

I heard NEMLEC is putting together a member only department academy held at Camp Curtis Guild in Reading sometime this spring. Anyone else hear the rumor?

I heard you were a FRAUD and a complete SHIT STIRRER !!!!!!! Go crawl back under your rock. I truly hope you aren't a LEO anywhere.........

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

Easy there cooter. I just heard a rumor and wanted to see if there was some truth to it. I was asking a legitimate question - not trying to stir the pot so go back to Hazzard County Rosco Peco Train.

Posted by: countryboy

I wonder if they will have several get kicked out or drop out because they can't keep up with the physical part of the training like in the SSPO.

Posted by: HB7220PD

Municipal Police Basic Curriculum Training Academy

At the Massachusetts State Police Academy

In a continuing effort to provide the best training opportunities for the municipal police departments of the Commonwealth, the Municipal Police Training Committee (MPTC) and the Massachusetts State Police (MSP) are teaming up to deliver the first Municipal Police Basic Curriculum Academy at the Massachusetts State Police Academy in New Braintree, Massachusetts. The MPTC and MSP are requesting your assistance in determining the demand for running this academy.

The academy will utilize an 800 hour municipal police basic curriculum which has been reviewed and approved by the Committee. Delivering the program will be a “blended” staff of MSP and MPTC personnel. The academy will run from 0800 to 1700 hours daily, Monday through Friday, with a one-hour lunch. Overnight accommodations and meals will be available for those desiring to remain at the academy Monday through Thursday nights. There is no cost for rooms and meals can be provided on a pay as you go basis.

The establishment of an academy start date in February or March will be based on survey information provided to the MPTC HQ. The information supplied by departments will insure that the start date provides the best training opportunity for all departments. As class size will be limited, the MPTC and MSP are requesting that departments who may be interested in sending student officers to this academy class contact Ms. Lynda Kearns at the MPTC HQ by e-mail (Lynda.Kearns@state.ma.us) and inform her of the number of student officer spaces anticipated, whether overnight accommodations will be necessary and what start date is best for them. The tuition fee for the training will be the standard MPTC fee of $2500 per student officer which does not include any meals.

The application process will be the standard, MPTC recruit class application which includes the HRD Medical and PAT. If it is determined that the academy class will be scheduled, spaces will be held only with a complete MPTC application package as outlined on the MPTC web site (www.mass.gov/mptc).

To assist us in planning for the possibility of running this academy, please send your response to the MPTC HQ no later than December 14, 2007.

ACADEMY

PROJECTED START DATES

START DATES

NOTES

Boylston

February 4, 2008

Academy Information

Plymouth

January 7, 2008

FULL

Reading

***July 7, 2008

***May projection has been changed

September 17, 2007 In-Session
South Weymouth
MOVED TO
RANDOLPH
April 7, 2008
Academy Information

Western Mass

December 3, 2007
LECP @ Boylston
August 6, 2007

Graduated November 16th

MPTC/MSP @

New Braintree
March 10, 2008
Academy Information

MBTA

March 3, 2008

FILLED

Posted by: badgebunny

I heard today that the academy was not going to be starting until April...if it's true....good news for some people I know that are hoping to go to this academy....

Posted by: Killjoy

Last week in April or first week in May.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Where is the new Randolph Academy located? I guess Weymouth moved to Randolph.

Posted by: afd414

Hey Chic with badge its Rosco P. Coltrain, a-goo-goo-goo! haha

Posted by: ninety_four_c

Anyone have information on MSP running the next municipal academy? Is it going to be residential? Are the DI's going to be local cops or troopers?

Posted by: misconceived

It's been discussed....

http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41215

Posted by: afd414

Orientation is set. April 10, 2008 at 0900. Bring running attire.

Posted by: 1234hey

I heard that there might be a mixed class of local and state at the spa this fall, any truth to this?

Posted by: Hb13

All the info should be in this thread
http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41215

Posted by: dgove35

the academy starts 05/05/2008 in New Braintree. State and locals running it, but it is a municipal academy

Posted by: kwflatbed

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1234hey

I heard that there might be a mixed class of local and state at the spa this fall, any truth to this?

I wish you would learn to use the search on MassCops

Posted by: 1234hey

I meant exactly what I posted - "mixed class of state and muni's" this fall, not this spring for just the muni's. a class comprised of local and state recruits together being trained.

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1234hey

I heard that there might be a mixed class of local and state at the spa this fall, any truth to this?

No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1234hey

I meant exactly what I posted - "mixed class of state and muni's" this fall, not this spring for just the muni's. a class comprised of local and state recruits together being trained.

I meant what I said, too. NO.

Posted by: Q5-TPR

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1234hey

I meant exactly what I posted - "mixed class of state and muni's" this fall, not this spring for just the muni's. a class comprised of local and state recruits together being trained.

To back up the coach, never happen, NEVER!

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by Q5-TPR

To back up the coach, never happen, NEVER!

That was said about the 1992 merger also.

Maine trains all their police officers at the same academy and believe it or not, the world continues to rotate on its axis.

Posted by: 1234hey

10-4 guys. I'm not saying it should happen, and I only brought it up because I overheard something to that nature. I'm also not trying to cause an uproar - I was only trying to get more Intel, if any, about what's going on or what might go on down at the SPA. I'm sure I speak for a lot of guys on here that are waiting for that new test and waiting to see how this "hiring process" is going to pan out.

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

That was said about the 1992 merger also.

Maine trains all their police officers at the same academy and believe it or not, the world continues to rotate on its axis.

This isn't Maine. The Consolidation was a mess that is still causing issues.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbelichick

This isn't Maine. The Consolidation was a mess that is still causing issues.

You've been around long enough to know to never say never.

Like it or not, we're all at the mercy of the wise men on Beacon Hill.

Posted by: Q5-TPR

I worked at the SPA not to long ago, and I am in almost daily contact with at least one member of the Academy Staff. They keep me pretty up to date on the goings on there. I think that would be something worth mentioning. I will send an email and find out for sure. But as far as I know, not a chance!

Posted by: msp3366

You go do that Q5 troopa!!!!

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

You've been around long enough to know to never say never.

Like it or not, we're all at the mercy of the wise men on Beacon Hill.

Please note that I didn't say never, I understand your point. Many bad ideas sound great to Joe Sixpack in the Herald.

I would definitely know if this was going to happen. I have heard nothing of the sort.

Posted by: 94c

You already have new recruits telling people they're going to the State Police academy.

Not the MPTC academy in New Braintree.
(It sounds better, I guess)

Just more egos to cut down once they hit the streets in 6 months.

Posted by: lawdog671

New Hampshire also does the same thing...however....they do this for a certain period of time and then troopers go to an extra couple weeks of their own classes as I am sure the Municipal guys do...but there are no plans to do this in Massachusetts at the SPA that I have heard of...there is some talk of a few interesting ways to appropriate money from a few different sources right now in order to fund more "regular" maintenance RTT's and MPOC's but they would not be one in the same....neither the local chiefs nor the Colonel would relinquish the control needed to do something like it...

Posted by: screamineagle

Like delta said, all Maine officers go thru the same academy, then the State police traineees go thru an additional 8 weeks.

Posted by: JeffC

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94c

Just more egos to cut down once they hit the streets in 6 months.

ha ha!!

Posted by: DENALI22

Sooooo how did orientation go????

Posted by: Sniper

Quote:

Originally Posted by DENALI22

Sooooo how did orientation go????

It was fun thanks............

Posted by: dh18

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1234hey

I heard that there might be a mixed class of local and state at the spa this fall, any truth to this?

True, I believe a recruit state environmental police officer will be attending.

Posted by: 94c

Quote:

Originally Posted by dh18

True, I believe a recruit state environmental police officer will be attending.

Don't forget all the recruits from the State of Massachusetts who will also be attending.

Posted by: mpd61

Sooo...

What can we call this now; NewBraintree MPOC#1?
SPAMPOC#1? How about MPOC in BDU, or MPOC @ French Blue?

Of course the inevitable "Hardest/best MPOC is at New Braintree" arguement will surface soon after graduation!

Posted by: JMB1977

Not too far fetched to say mpd61.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

Sooo...

What can we call this now; NewBraintree MPOC#1?
SPAMPOC#1? How about MPOC in BDU, or MPOC @ French Blue?

Of course the inevitable "Hardest/best MPOC is at New Braintree" arguement will surface soon after graduation!

I just had to think for a few minutes to remember my class number.

What you do in the academy is totally irrelevant. It's on the street where you learn the job and whether you can do it or not.

Posted by: Killjoy

Quote:

What you do in the academy is totally irrelevant. It's on the street where you learn the job and whether you can do it or not.

Absolutely, 100% disagree. What YOU learned in the academy may have been irrelevant because of poor instruction, outdated material or bad curriculum. It doesn't mean that all police academy training is irrelevant.

Some things I learned at the academy were not particulary useful, verbal judo comes to mind as one the most stupid things I ever had to sit through. But many things, patrol procedures comes to mind first, have probably saved my and many of my classmates' lives. Our instructor was diligent, helpful and an absolute wealth of knowledge with many years spent on patrol and in detective units. While obviously a training facility cannot exactly duplicate conditions on the street, you have to crawl before you can walk, and the academy was an important first step to developing life-saving habits.

The street can teach you many lessons as well, but many times officers draw the wrong conclusions because of their successes. If I had learned to do felony stops on the street, I would have thought the best way to conduct them was running up to the drivers side window with my handgun out, yelling at the driver (as I have witnessed many officers doing, much to my chagrin). Bad, sloppy or dangerous behaviors are not noticed by criminals, and cops begin to think that "their" way is the "only" way. But it only takes that one criminal to pick up on your mistake to seriously injure or kill you. Complacency kills, and most officers killed or murdered in the line of duty are not rookies, but veterans with years of experience.

The funny thing about training is that the attitudes that make us good police officers make us crappy students, and most police officers hate to train. Conversely, professional units like SEALS, Delta, Rangers or even SWAT teams value training, and train constantly. When they're not in the field, they're training hard. Maybe we all could learn a thing or two from them.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killjoy

Try reading for comprehension; what I said was "What you do in the academy is totally irrelevant". Not what you learn.

Huge difference.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

What you do in the academy is totally irrelevant. It's on the street where you learn the job and whether you can do it or not.

Ahh...

Bruce calm down buddy. Look at the total package. I can read/assimilate/paraphrase. KJ and anybody else could easily interpret the above as he did. An arguement could be made that your statement alludes to the academy being a waste of time in comparison to FTO/OJT.

just saying

Posted by: Killjoy

Quote:

Try reading for comprehension; what I said was "What you do in the academy is totally irrelevant". Not what you learn.

Huge difference.

What's the huge difference...don't we learn best by doing?

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killjoy

What's the huge difference...don't we learn best by doing?

You can do 1000 practice felony stops in the academy, it won't mean squat if you screw up the first (or subsequent) real ones. You can earn perfect marks for how you handle a domestic when it's actors in role playing scenarios during the academy, but you have no idea what a real one is like until you walk into a real one. You can be a hot shit in defensive tactics until the opponent isn't wearing a red man suit and most of what you've been taught doesn't work.

I could populate a 10-page thread on things I've encountered that aren't taught in any police academy, from the drunk woman who thought it would be a good idea to take a rabid skunk into her apartment to the gay domestic where the couple was arguing over ownership of a 12-inch dildo. You learn to deal with those by watching veteran officers or the old hit & miss method.

One of my favorite scenes ever in a police show was on Third Watch when the hot-shot rookie Ty Davis is about to frisk a drunk bum. The old veteran Sully starts to say "You better watch out....." when he's cut off by the rookie, who says "I was first in my academy class in arrest procedures". The drunk then proceeds to puke on the rookie's head as he's leaned over.

With a knowing smile, Sully says "Did they teach you that at the academy too?"

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

I could populate a 10-page thread on things I've encountered that aren't taught in any police academy, from the drunk woman who thought it would be a good idea to take a rabid skunk into her apartment to the gay domestic where the couple was arguing over ownership of a 12-inch dildo.

Whatever, jerk. That's scenario #7A during Patrol Procedures at the SPA.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbelichick

Whatever, jerk. That's scenario #7A during Patrol Procedures at the SPA.

Okay then, wise guy.....who gets the dildo??

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

Okay then, wise guy.....who gets the dildo??

Ha Ha Ha Ha, get em Bruce~

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

Okay then, wise guy.....who gets the dildo??

Child's play, my local brother.

The experienced officer takes it as "evidence", and then plants it in a co-worker's locker only to later manufacture a situation where it will be "discovered" by a large group of people.

Example: requesting to borrow an item from said co-worker's locker while several others are around.

Any questions?

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbelichick

You should know better than to touch anything like that, gloves or not!

The person who produced the credit card receipt from the Amazing.net superstore over the bridge in Weymouth got to keep it.

Posted by: Sniper

Did this class start this Monday or is it next Monday ????

Posted by: Killjoy

It started, Monday, May 5th.

Posted by: Sniper

Very well !!!!!

Posted by: 1234hey

http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/images/msp...1/full0041.JPG

The weekly photos are up! Good luck to those that are there.

Posted by: Sniper

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1234hey

http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/images/msp...1/full0041.JPG

The weekly photos are up! Good luck to those that are there.

The MPTC has come a long way.... I wish I had pix from MY class.

Posted by: RodneyFarva

how big is that class... and has any one washed out yet?

Posted by: COto50

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1234hey

http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/images/msp...1/full0041.JPG

The weekly photos are up! Good luck to those that are there.

what site did you find the photos. when i hit the link there is only one picture. is is the MSP web site or the MPTC site

Posted by: misconceived

More pics...

http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eopsterm...k_1&csid=Eeops

Posted by: j809

This ain't gonna last. If there are lots of dropouts, Chiefs won't have it and they'll go back to Boylston.

Posted by: Gil

Going back to the way it used to be....

Posted by: Killjoy

Quote:

how big is that class... and has any one washed out yet?

About 50.

Two, so far, but I don't think that's any worse than any other municipal academy.

Posted by: 5-0

I hope you guys enjoyed your ROTTEN WEEKEND.

Posted by: Sniper

Quote:

Originally Posted by j809

This ain't gonna last. If there are lots of dropouts, Chiefs won't have it and they'll go back to Boylston.

NOTHING is farther from the truth .........

Posted by: lawdog671

Quote:

Originally Posted by j809

This ain't gonna last. If there are lots of dropouts, Chiefs won't have it and they'll go back to Boylston.

I'd have to respectfully disagree...I personally know a couple Chiefs who have people there and their attitude was drop outs there would save them grief down the road ..I mean is the prevailing attitude here that we would rather work with a product of a watered down program that pushes quantity over quality?? Where anyone who always wanted to be a cop can get through?? (not MPTC shot....just general question)

Posted by: yutyut1

People should look at this as a good thing. This is a collaborative of both state police and local departments. The state police training facility is state of the art and should be used. Every class is composed of both state and local instructors to include drill instructor staff. Hopefully this will foster a better relationship between agencies........just look at the wide range of departments participating. Good luck recruits!!!

Posted by: 1234hey

"People should look at this as a good thing. This is a collaborative of both state police and local departments. The state police training facility is state of the art and should be used. Every class is composed of both state and local instructors to include drill instructor staff. Hopefully this will foster a better relationship between agencies........just look at the wide range of departments participating. Good luck recruits!!!"

I second that!

So when are the locals switching over to campaign covers???

Posted by: Edmizer1

This academy looks like a good thing. It IS true that the chiefs will flip if there are too many dropouts. If the state has a dozen extra dropouts, they can spread it around a couple of thousand other troopers. If a chief sends 3 to an academy and 2 drop out causing tons of mandatory OT then there can be a problem. Chiefs don't want to get called before their Boards of Selectmen and asked why they are over budget or why they hired officers who can't pass the academy. Some towns have trouble paying to send even 1 or 2 cops through an academy. Losing them during the academy is a financial and logistical strain. If they lose someone 1/2 way through, there is a good chance the town won't see that position filled for ages. I'm not saying anything about the quality of this academy. It is a great experiment but there will be pressure from chiefs if there are too many drop outs.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edmizer1

This academy looks like a good thing. It IS true that the chiefs will flip if there are too many dropouts. If the state has a dozen extra dropouts, they can spread it around a couple of thousand other troopers. If a chief sends 3 to an academy and 2 drop out causing tons of mandatory OT then there can be a problem. Chiefs don't want to get called before their Boards of Selectmen and asked why they are over budget or why they hired officers who can't pass the academy. Some towns have trouble paying to send even 1 or 2 cops through an academy. Losing them during the academy is a financial and logistical strain. If they lose someone 1/2 way through, there is a good chance the town won't see that position filled for ages. I'm not saying anything about the quality of this academy. It is a great experiment but there will be pressure from chiefs if there are too many drop outs.

Very few departments fill positions as soon as they become available; if some people drop out, then they drop out. The police department which hired them was there before they dropped out, and they'll be there afterwards.

Police chiefs usually have some say in who's hired, and in some cases do the actual hiring. Once they're hired, they have no say whatsoever about the training program. If they want to minimize dropouts, then they should make sure they're hiring quality people to begin with.

Posted by: SinePari

All of the troops and admin say that things worked well when they ran classes in Framingham, so this can only foster good relationships down the road.

Posted by: PBC FL Cop

If one of these recruits were to graduate from this SPA, then a year down the road were to get hired by the MSP, would that recruit have to go thru the same SPA a second time to become a trooper??

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

If one of these recruits were to graduate from this SPA, then a year down the road were to get hired by the MSP, would that recruit have to go thru the same SPA a second time to become a trooper??

Yes.

Posted by: CTrain

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

If one of these recruits were to graduate from this SPA, then a year down the road were to get hired by the MSP, would that recruit have to go thru the same SPA a second time to become a trooper??

I would think they are different academies - different programs and whatnot - no?

Posted by: lawdog671

The class will be difficult...no doubt....if an RTT is a 10 on a 10 scale they were planning for 8 or 9....the thing is that with a daytime type of academy they can't replicate an RTT exactly when trainees can go home or have "free time" on the grounds...
And no this class is not interchangeable....

Posted by: 1234hey

It seems like most of the academies (lowell, boston, and spa) have already started or are starting this month. Will there be any overlapping classes starting in July with any of these academies? Any intel on the next Muni?

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Proof that the new academy at the SPA is a BIG JOKE!!!!!!!

This guy is not a cop and never even went to a FT academy.

And another

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

This guy is not a cop and never even went to a FT academy.

He looks like the guy who made my pizza last Saturday.

Who is he?

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Bob Bethany, a Plymouth County Sheriff Dept hack extraordinarie. He is a karate champ champion seven levels of black belts etc, but NEVER been a cop. He is very connected and gets things with a lot of influence. Oh I almost forgot, he works as a process server for the Sheriffs Department of wonderful Plymouth County. But I guess he has unspeakable training in handcuffing on the streets as they are serving eviction notices to elderly people, therefore can train future police recruits in proper street patrol and handcuffing.

Posted by: Thimios315

You guys are too much - L0L!

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

Bob Bethany, a PCSD hack extraordinaire. He is a karate champ champion seven levels of black belts etc, but NEVER been a cop. He is very connected and gets things with a lot of influence.

Well, if he's teaching unarmed combat I can't really say that's inappropriate if he's that qualified.

I do get your point, though. It always aggravates me when I go to in-service at Plymouth and see the pictures of past recruit classes with someone from the sheriff's department as a drill instructor. What are they going to teach future police officers? I think it might be fun to go yell and scream at a bunch of corrections officers recruits, but I don't know the first thing about corrections so what sense would that make?

That practice at Plymouth has wisely been stopped, BTW.

Posted by: Sniper

Looks like RON JEREMY !!!!!!! hahahahahaa

Posted by: Thimios315

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

Well, if he's teaching unarmed combat I can't really say that's inappropriate if he's that qualified.

I do get your point, though. It always aggravates me when I go to in-service at Plymouth and see the pictures of past recruit classes with someone from the sheriff's department as a drill instructor. What are they going to teach future police officers? I think it might be fun to go yell and scream at a bunch of corrections officers recruits, but I don't know the first thing about corrections so what sense would that make?

That practice at Plymouth has wisely been stopped, BTW.

Back in '04, he was an instructor for a few Defensive Tactics classes at the Plymouth Police Academy...

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thimios315

Back in '04, he was an instructor for a few Defensive Tactics classes at the Plymouth Police Academy...

I was referring to the practice of having deputy sheriffs as drill instructors at the police academy (campaign hats, everyday interaction with recruits, etc.), not specialized training like defensive tactics.

Posted by: Thimios315

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delta784

I'm with you that guys on the job should be training recruits and teaching In-Service.

Posted by: lawdog671

Well the problem is Howard Lebowitcz and the MPTC want a local Academy influence...if he taught before he probably dropped a dime to get in there....I am suprised SPA staff bit for it though

Posted by: Nighttrain

Is the claim that this guy is a staff instructor at the muni academy at the MSPA? If so it's false. Besides the troopers there are two municipal police officers who serve as staff instructors(DI).

Posted by: lawdog671

I understand that...I recommended one of them for the position when I was up there....what I meant was Mr. Lebo..wanted a local Academy contingent as part of the staff...lol...do you really think they need 6 DI's for 50 trainees? The current MSP staff on deck has quite a few cumulative RTT'S UNDER THEIR BELTS..We could do it without additional staff but it's not "our" class..know what I mean? I was saying if he has juice...maybe he dropped a dime and said hes taught for the Council before...there aren't any PCSO students there...
Not trying to come off like ass sorry...I don't like it anymore than you believe me...I can already hear him saying "I taught at the SPA"....

Posted by: Nighttrain

My post was in reponse to Outofmanyone who seemed to imply this deputy was on staff up there. I think the claim that this academy is a joke is a little off base as well. One of the municipal officers on staff is a co worker of mine and there is nothing that i'm aware of that would make this class a joke. Certainly is harder than when I went through. Yet again the relative anominity of a web site makes it easy to run one's mouth.

It certainly makes sense that municipal officers should be training municipal officers. We work in a different environment than the msp. I for one did not question the current msp staff's experience about running an academy. The other side of that coin is that it shouldn't come off as uneccessary that muni officers are part of the staff. It's a benefit for the msp to have that class up there.

Posted by: j809

Seems to me that this deputy is being paid by the MPTC to teach there, hence YES he is on staff there. If you don't want to make the academy a joke then hire the right instructors with the proper experience and training. Last I checked we don't have security guards teachin accident recon to police recruits.

Posted by: Nighttrain

I specifically referred to the position of staff instructor(drill instructor) In my academy and most municipal academies that is the term used. There is a big difference between simply instructing and being a staff instructor. As Delta stated, if he has the qualifications to teach in that field, so be it. More people spend more time bitching about every little thing and miss the big picture. People want to make this academy out to be a joke go ahead. I for one think it's a step in the right direction. Most of us who went through muni academies walked away wishing it was more difficult, more challenging. One guy gets into the sytem that is deemed unqualified(I don't know him so I can't make that call) and all the sudden the whole thing is a wash?

Municpal departments win because they are getting recruits who went through an academy that was more challenging than most. The msp wins because it is another reason to keep the facility staffed year round.

Posted by: 5-0

It looks like he is just teaching handcuffing in these pictures. I don't see the big deal with him being a guest DT instructor. I doubt (but could be wrong) that he was the primary instructor for any class up there. If he worked in the jails (i.e handcuffing people) and took the DT instructors course, who cares if he is a warm body to help out?

Obviously, it would be inappropriate for him to be any type of drill instructor. But civilians of all types are involved in academies. Do the first aid trainers have to be cops? How about the con law guys? Could they possibly be a lawyer?

He does look like Ron Jeremy though. Give it time, he'll tin a trooper on the way home and say he works for Guy Glodis too.

Posted by: Thimios315

No one's going to say that Bob Bethany isn't a good guy or that he doesn't know what he's doing...but as of the writing of this post, he's not a Police Officer. Not by definition, not by job title and certainly not by career-oriented experience...

This is not a dig at the man, but just my $.02/cents on the matter; and some food for thought, he was one of the instructors at the Academy when I was a recruit...I found him to be a good enough fellow, with some admirable martial arts accomplishments over the years...

Whether or not I think he belongs in MPTC training academies has no bearing on the fact that there's plenty of correctional academies all over the state and New England, where he could reasonably share his knowledge & expertise...

Obviously we know Defensive Tactics is universal, but you need to have cameraderie between instructors, cameraderie built upon similar experiences, initial recruit academy settings, etc...

I don't believe Bureau of Prisons recruits are taught by DEA instructors...as U.S. Marshals recruits aren't taught by Border Patrol instructors...different worlds, different teachings...I beg your pardon if this is not accurate...

Sorry to anyone that may think I'm being unreasonable...but it's just the way most of us see it...personally, I'd rather be taught by a person who has the same job description that I am training for...

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by Nighttrain

It certainly makes sense that municipal officers should be training municipal officers. We work in a different environment than the msp. I for one did not question the current msp staff's experience about running an academy. The other side of that coin is that it shouldn't come off as uneccessary that muni officers are part of the staff. It's a benefit for the msp to have that class up there.

Agreed.....one of the things I liked about my academy (Waltham) was that the people teaching you the subjects during the day were responding to them at night.

Different jobs, different responsibilities.

Posted by: SinePari

Here's a paradigm shift; maybe he's ensuring that the recruits are getting the best possible training that he didn't get. Maybe he sought out his training on his own and wants to share that knowledge...so what?

Who has more training in criminal law, a police officer, or an attorney? LEOs get about 160 hours in criminal law, and attorneys get about 3000 hours. So who has a better grasp on the letter of the law? Just because they're not applying it vis-a-vis citizen contacts doesn't mean we can't use their knowledge. I've been to many trainings that incorporate LEOs with DAs and attorneys. Their knowledge is just as valuable as the "hands-on" portions.

The anti-sheriff assaults that occur are based soley on the premise that they are usually doing something that they are not qualified, trained, or authorized by statute to do. However since you can receive handcuff training anywhere, this seems entirely appropriate.

Posted by: lawdog671

Couple different things here...
1. He is a Deputy Sheriff....not a CO...if he were a CO I would agree that in a given work day they use their cuffs WAY more than most of us do....hence a good choice to teach handcuffing.
2. The SPA is staffed year round regardless of a class being there. There is always something there, be it firearms training, SSPO, DEA, Court officers, professional traing courses....If there ISN'T a class there they are sending staff to professional courses to make them better instructors and improve the curriculum. That was part of the appeal to the higher ups of the MPTC. THIS IS NOT A SHOT TO MPTC INSTRUCTORS...but anyone who has taught knows it is not an easy thing to do. SPA Staff do it everyday and it's still hard.....much less sporadically as the MPTC employs them. IN NO WAY ANY TRAINERS FAULT, JUST A FACT.
3. The facilities aren't in same leagues (one room at Lowell with transparents vs. multiple classes with Power Point etc at SPA).
4. Drill Instructors generally don't teach general knowledge classes unless they have to (staff shortages etc.). While any are more than capable, that is not their purpose at SPA.
5. As far as muni's training muni's, I respectfuly disagree. We train Troopers to be able to function in any environment. Anyone who says troopers CAN'T do what local guys do have never been to western MA where we are muni's. You may be MUCH more proficient at some things, as we are at others, because of the frequency you do things. But many of your senior people, cops you AND I respect, were trained in Framingham by troopers. The agreement was that the SPA is the MSP'S, and we have a staff that COULD do the entire class without MPTC staff, but they are your people and the powers that be wanted a mixed staff with MSP as primary guys. Would you expect different if it were an RTT at Lowell or Reading? I think not. And I wouldn't have a problem with it. What I do have a problem with is the shortsightedness of allowing SO instructors into our den. I liken it to letting the fox in the chicken coop. Certainly there are MANY capable local or MSP DT guys who could teach what he does. We rail about Sheriffs then allow them to each our trainees. Now this guy can say he "trains" cops, legitimizing wanna-be's and hacks, recognizing them in some backwards way as our equals on the road.
6. From what I was TOLD, as I have not attended an MPOC, there was optional PT..not AS much discipline...DI'S were malicious in their administration of discipline and punishment with no apparent training value..I can only tell you that it is strict....not abusive in the current post toilet bowl environment....there are many eyes up there....I know this from personal experience..
7. At the end of the day, SPA staff (and invited instructors) are generally regarded as professional instructors, as most who take classes there would agree. But in the spirit of cooperation one may have slipped through the cracks. There's a little outside influence for the first few.... we apologize in advance.

Posted by: SinePari

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawdog671

What I do have a problem with is the shortsightedness of allowing SO instructors into our den. I liken it to letting the fox in the chicken coop. Certainly there are MANY capable local or MSP DT guys who could teach what he does. We rail about Sheriffs then allow them to each our trainees. Now this guy can say he "trains" cops, legitimizing wanna-be's and hacks, recognizing them in some backwards way as our equals on the road.

Well said. Now that's a more thoughtful response than the previous ones.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawdog671

As far as muni's training muni's, I respectfuly disagree. We train Troopers to be able to function in any environment. Anyone who says troopers CAN'T do what local guys do have never been to western MA where we are muni's.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawdog671

You may be MUCH more proficient at some things, as we are at others, because of the frequency you do things. But many of your senior people, cops you AND I respect, were trained in Framingham by troopers.

As an FTO, I couldn't possibly care any less where someone went to the academy. If they learned how to wear the uniform and their rights of arrest, I consider anything else gravy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawdog671

I agree.....my comments were directed at the assertion that the presence of Mr. Bethany made the entire academy "a joke". That should probably be the definition of hyperbole.

Posted by: lawdog671

No one said troopers can't to what local guys do; that's just stupid, as it's not exactly rocket science. However, being capable to do something and doing it well are mutually exclusive issues. And with all due respect to the troopers in the sticks, working Western MA is not the same as a city in the metro Boston area.
DELTA...we both were saying the same thing...in different ways...my point that I think you missed was POLICE should train POLICE. Any academy can puke out a basically trained cop, be it an RTT or a MPTC. However, troopers who work in the city versus the sticks will have varying comfort levels with different things BUT should all be able to basically perform all required duties, just like local guys. Basic police theory can be taught by state or local. It's during the FTO process you "learn" the job and its nuances. Having been an FTO and having taught at academies..there are things you're required to teach in class....and there are things taught on the road. Somedays there's not enough time for basics. My point was any police instructor should be able to do so. If you were talking about FTO process I'd agree 1000%, but not about initial academics.

No one said troopers can't to what local guys do; that's just stupid, as it's not exactly rocket science. However, being capable to do something and doing it well are mutually exclusive issues. And with all due respect to the troopers in the sticks, working Western MA is not the same as a city in the metro Boston area.
DELTA...we both were saying the same thing...in different ways...my point that I think you missed was POLICE should train POLICE. Any academy can puke out a basically trained cop, be it an RTT or a MPTC. However, troopers who work in the city versus the sticks will have varying comfort levels with different things BUT should all be able to basically perform all required duties, just like local guys. Basic police theory can be taught by state or local. It's during the FTO process you "learn" the job and its nuances. Having been an FTO and having taught at academies..there are things you're required to teach in class....and there are things taught on the road. Somedays there's not enough time for basics. My point was any police instructor should be able to do so. If you were talking about FTO process I'd agree 1000%, but not about initial academics.

Posted by: robodope

I think it's about getting what you can from the different instructors. While I would rather have an instructor who has been there done that , there is something you can gain from any instructor as long as you keep the trap shut and eyes and ears open. The fact is you will learn more when you get out on the street and are smart enough to listen,and watch the people you work with. That includes those officers that you think do nothing,or seem angry all the time. Trust me give them the respect an they will show you a lot more then you ever think. Everyone one of us who has gone though an academy has had good and bad instructors. A good officer will realize their weaknesses and get out there and work on them. The Academy is a foundation and nothing more.

Posted by: Tango

[quote=lawdog671;297131]No one said troopers can't to what local guys do; that's just stupid, as it's not exactly rocket science. However, being capable to do something and doing it well are mutually exclusive issues. And with all due respect to the troopers in the sticks, working Western MA is not the same as a city in the metro Boston area.
DELTA...we both were saying the same thing...in different ways...my point that I think you missed was POLICE should train POLICE. Any academy can puke out a basically trained cop, be it an RTT or a MPTC. However, troopers who work in the city versus the sticks will have varying comfort levels with different things BUT should all be able to basically perform all required duties, just like local guys. Basic police theory can be taught by state or local. It's during the FTO process you "learn" the job and its nuances. Having been an FTO and having taught at academies..there are things you're required to teach in class....and there are things taught on the road. Somedays there's not enough time for basics. My point was any police instructor should be able to do so. If you were talking about FTO process I'd agree 1000%, but not about initial academics.

Working in Western Mass vs a metroBoston area is in some ways is apples and oranges, it doesnt make any local/trooper better than the other. While your are on the subject of not "disrespecting" any Troopers or locals from Western Mass, have you been to the Springfield area lately??

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by Tango

While your are on the subject of not "disrespecting" any Troopers or locals from Western Mass, have you been to the Springfield area lately??

I'd stack Springfield up with any city in the state. That city has more guns, drugs, shootings and assaults per capita than any city I've seen.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawdog671

No one said troopers can't to what local guys do; that's just stupid, as it's not exactly rocket science. However, being capable to do something and doing it well are mutually exclusive issues. And with all due respect to the troopers in the sticks, working Western MA is not the same as a city in the metro Boston area.
DELTA...we both were saying the same thing...in different ways...my point that I think you missed was POLICE should train POLICE. Any academy can puke out a basically trained cop, be it an RTT or a MPTC. However, troopers who work in the city versus the sticks will have varying comfort levels with different things BUT should all be able to basically perform all required duties, just like local guys. Basic police theory can be taught by state or local. It's during the FTO process you "learn" the job and its nuances. Having been an FTO and having taught at academies..there are things you're required to teach in class....and there are things taught on the road. Somedays there's not enough time for basics. My point was any police instructor should be able to do so. If you were talking about FTO process I'd agree 1000%, but not about initial academics.

No one said troopers can't to what local guys do; that's just stupid, as it's not exactly rocket science. However, being capable to do something and doing it well are mutually exclusive issues. And with all due respect to the troopers in the sticks, working Western MA is not the same as a city in the metro Boston area.
DELTA...we both were saying the same thing...in different ways...my point that I think you missed was POLICE should train POLICE. Any academy can puke out a basically trained cop, be it an RTT or a MPTC. However, troopers who work in the city versus the sticks will have varying comfort levels with different things BUT should all be able to basically perform all required duties, just like local guys. Basic police theory can be taught by state or local. It's during the FTO process you "learn" the job and its nuances. Having been an FTO and having taught at academies..there are things you're required to teach in class....and there are things taught on the road. Somedays there's not enough time for basics. My point was any police instructor should be able to do so. If you were talking about FTO process I'd agree 1000%, but not about initial academics.

Did you agree with me so much, you had to say it twice?

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Originally Posted by bbelichick

I'd stack Springfield up with any city in the state. That city has more guns, drugs, shootings and assaults per capita than any city I've seen.

Quite right, but Springfield has their own police department. I was addressing lawdog's statement about MSP being the municipal police in western MA.

Posted by: SinePari

Going with the "should be able to perform anywhere" theme, I've been scooped up as part of the major REALIGNMENT OF FORCES scheme. I went from almost exclusively doing 100% highway enforcement one day, to a rural/municipal police role the next (again).

Posted by: lawdog671

Did you agree with me so much, you had to say it twice?

Stupid laptop.....lol.....at least it kept you from kicking my bag in again...

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawdog671

Stupid laptop.....lol.....at least it kept you from kicking my bag in again...

Ha ha....

I think we agree on the basic point; police should train police, and while I certainly understand your frustration with an SD instructor invading your space, I simply disagree with the OP's assertion that his mere presence makes the entire academy a joke. That's insulting to the rest of the instructors as well as the recruit officer students.

Posted by: mpd61

Honestly, who gives a flying "f" if Capt. Bob teaches handcuffing at ANY academy. He's definately qualified. Outofmanyone knows this personally, he's just throwing some hot pepper (sheriff vs. world) in the soup.

BTW, at FLETC interagency instructors teach all subjects. While with the D.O.E. our firearms instructor was Secret Service, Who gives a damn?

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

Honestly, who gives a flying "f" if Capt. Bob teaches handcuffing at ANY academy. He's definately qualified. Outofmanyone knows this personally, he's just throwing some hot pepper (sheriff vs. world) in the soup.

BTW, at FLETC interagency instructors teach all subjects. While with the D.O.E. our firearms instructor was Secret Service, Who gives a damn?

I think the implication was that this "Deputy" doesn't actually work f/t for any agency.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

BTW, at FLETC interagency instructors teach all subjects. While with the D.O.E. our firearms instructor was Secret Service, Who gives a damn?

I don't think FLETC should be the model for Police training.

Posted by: lawdog671

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

Honestly, who gives a flying "f" if Capt. Bob teaches handcuffing at ANY academy. He's definately qualified. Outofmanyone knows this personally, he's just throwing some hot pepper (sheriff vs. world) in the soup.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

BTW, at FLETC interagency instructors teach all subjects. While with the D.O.E. our firearms instructor was Secret Service, Who gives a damn?

Questioning why he was there is a legit gripe.....but your comments aren't looking to inflame though hmmm????...lol

Posted by: 5-0

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Originally Posted by Delta784

Ha ha....

That pretty much sums it up. Considering how often you have outside instructors bailing out on their topic... at least he showed up? God knows that it's your FTO period that's going to clean up whatever mess he (may or may not have) made.

Posted by: Inspector71

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawdog671

Questioning why he was there is a legit gripe.....but your comments aren't looking to inflame though hmmm????...lol

I don't see any flaming in those comments. As a side note, Bob Bethoney could scare some folks into handcuffs!

Posted by: texdep

Quote:

Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

And another

Not to detract from all the commentary that followed this post but.......this picture at least is from a SSPO academy.. NOT from the SPA Municipal Academy that is currently going on!!!!!

Posted by: PVD24

Quote:

Originally Posted by texdep

Not to detract from all the commentary that followed this post but.......this picture at least is from a SSPO academy.. NOT from the SPA Municipal Academy that is currently going on!!!!!

I believe Massport PD has an officer up at the SPA teaching DT... I believe it is with the Municipal officers and not the SSPO..

Posted by: new guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by texdep

Not to detract from all the commentary that followed this post but.......this picture at least is from a SSPO academy.. NOT from the SPA Municipal Academy that is currently going on!!!!!

I believe you are correct T-Dep., Good eye. On another note, I've had Marty Michaeleman (Suffolk County Sheriff's) for Defensive Tactics during several police in-service programs and he did fine.

Posted by: Nighttrain

The correct info is that the Massport Officer is at the SSPO. They merged some photos(if that what folks are basing thier knowledge off of). Student officer Fazio is not in the municipal academy.

Posted by: Thimios315

This just had to be done... L0L

Posted by: Boston911

Bob Bethoney??

Awarded over 57 trophies for full contact and point tournaments Among the most important:
o 1970-1975 ranked top ten fighters in New England
o 1970-1975 ranked top ten competitors for kata in New England
o 1974 US New England Team
o 1974 Four State Championships
o 1975 US New England Grand Champion
o Was inducted to the Uechi-Ryu Hall of Fame in 1983
o Sensei and Owner of 5 Schools in Plymouth County
o 1988 Okinawan Kumite
o Instructor of over a thousand students many with championship titles
o Director of Martial Arts Tournaments, Shows, Demonstrations and Summer Camps
Bethoney has also fought Brue Lee and Chuck Norris.

Since 1986 Bethoney has been working for the Plymouth County Sheriff's Department. He became a Deputy Sheriff in 1986 and since been involved with:
o Undercover Drug Enforcement
o 1991-1995 First in Drug Raids
o Capias Territory with Civil Process office
o Mass Criminal Justice Training Council (MCJTC) Senior Instructor in Firearms, Patrol Rifle, Defensive Tactics, Baton, OC, Physical Fitness, Pressure Point Control Tactics and the Taser.
o MCJTC Instructor for Barnstable, Plymouth & Canton/In-service & Recruit Level
o Mass Sheriffs Association (MSA) Instructor
o Fugitive Apprehension Team Front Man
o Was assigned to the Warrant Apprehension Unit for Non Support in Civil Office (Deadbeat Dads)
o Was assigned to all seizures and sales of personal property
As a Deputy Lieutenant, Sensei was the Director of Special Services and was in charge of scheduling and training of the Honor Guard, Firing Party, Fingerprint Unit and Parades.
Captain Training dept.
Sensei Bethoney is currently a Captain at the Plymouth County Sheriff's Department, and is in charge of all firearms and defensive tactics training.

But you guys are right. He is in noway qualified to teach police officers. Idiots.

Posted by: Thimios315

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Originally Posted by Boston911

...But you guys are right. He is in noway qualified to teach police officers. Idiots.

The gentleman is certainly qualified to teach Deputy Sheriff/Civil Process Server/Constable (whatever) Recruits.

The only place see you see the word POLICE in that life story, is in your little one-liner at the end. Idiot?

Posted by: Sniper

Great first post............... Now log out and log back in with your normal screen name you shitbird !!!!!!!

Posted by: bbelichick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston911

Bob Bethoney??

Awarded over 57 trophies for full contact and point tournaments Among the most important:
o 1970-1975 ranked top ten fighters in New England
o 1970-1975 ranked top ten competitors for kata in New England
o 1974 US New England Team
o 1974 Four State Championships
o 1975 US New England Grand Champion
o Was inducted to the Uechi-Ryu Hall of Fame in 1983
o Sensei and Owner of 5 Schools in Plymouth County
o 1988 Okinawan Kumite
o Instructor of over a thousand students many with championship titles
o Director of Martial Arts Tournaments, Shows, Demonstrations and Summer Camps
Bethoney has also fought Brue Lee and Chuck Norris.

Since 1986 Bethoney has been working for the Plymouth County Sheriff's Department. He became a Deputy Sheriff in 1986 and since been involved with:
o Undercover Drug Enforcement
o 1991-1995 First in Drug Raids
o Capias Territory with Civil Process office
o Mass Criminal Justice Training Council (MCJTC) Senior Instructor in Firearms, Patrol Rifle, Defensive Tactics, Baton, OC, Physical Fitness, Pressure Point Control Tactics and the Taser.
o MCJTC Instructor for Barnstable, Plymouth & Canton/In-service & Recruit Level
o Mass Sheriffs Association (MSA) Instructor
o Fugitive Apprehension Team Front Man
o Was assigned to the Warrant Apprehension Unit for Non Support in Civil Office (Deadbeat Dads)
o Was assigned to all seizures and sales of personal property
As a Deputy Lieutenant, Sensei was the Director of Special Services and was in charge of scheduling and training of the Honor Guard, Firing Party, Fingerprint Unit and Parades.
Captain Training dept.
Sensei Bethoney is currently a Captain at the Plymouth County Sheriff's Department, and is in charge of all firearms and defensive tactics training.

But you guys are right. He is in noway qualified to teach police officers. Idiots.

I must have missed the part of his overblown resume where you listed his experience as a Police Officer. Where is it?

Weird, all that time as a "Deputy Sheriff" and I don't see anything about his Corrections experience, either.

Just a whole lot of BS that looks great to a civilian but any cop with a few years on the job knows it's crap.

Do yourself a favor and drop the "He's a supercop" routine. Nobody here is buying it.

Posted by: redsox03

This should be good.......

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by Boston911

As a Deputy Lieutenant, Sensei was the Director of Special Services and was in charge of scheduling and training of the Honor Guard, Firing Party, Fingerprint Unit and Parades.

Deputy Bob: Fear does not exist in this parade, does it?!

Deputies: No, Sensei!

Deputy Bob: Pain does not exist in this parade, does it?!

Deputies: No, Sensei!

Deputy Bob: Defeat does not exist in this parade, does it?!

Deputies: No, Sensei!

Deputy Bob: You WILL donate at the Sheriff's Clambake this year, won't you?

Deputies: Yes, Sensei!

Posted by: Killjoy

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o 1991-1995 First in Drug Raids

What does "first in drug raids" mean? Top finisher? Highest amount of narcotics seized? First man through the door? First person to have conducted drug raids in history? I have worked narcotics and I have yet to see any police officer put "first in drug raids" on their resume.

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o Fugitive Apprehension Team Front Man

"Front man"? Does that mean unit commander? Public spokesman? First person to knock on the door?

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o Was assigned to the Warrant Apprehension Unit for Non Support in Civil Office (Deadbeat Dads)

Isn't that just a fancy name for still just delivering civil processes? Its not like its FBI VICAP.

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o Was assigned to all seizures and sales of personal property

Isn't that like an salesman's job. Good experience for a job at Sears, but not policing.

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As a Deputy Lieutenant, Sensei was the Director of Special Services and was in charge of scheduling and training of the Honor Guard, Firing Party, Fingerprint Unit and Parades.

"Sensei"? Is that his official Sheriff title or his first name? Is it Sensei-Captain of Parades?

Sorry, one post wonder, I'm still not impressed.

Posted by: MSP75

It makes a big difference to have a DT instructor w/ experience on the road with real criminals. Some of the "by the book" stuff is BS in the field. The bad guy does not fight by the book or any other rules. A field experienced DT instructor knows what a new recruit will face and how he needs to react or more importantly, how to notice when the bad guy is thinking of escalating things.

Posted by: j809

I wonder where this resume came from, could it be that Bob posted it right here. Funny thing is that I don't see a MCJTC/MPTC Full Time Academy anywhere on that wonderful resume. It kinda reminds me of guys pumping up their resumes with a lot of 4 and 8 hr classes and claim they are the best.