Originally Posted by midwatch

Am I understanding you correctly? One of your guys was in the locker room getting ready for his shift and he was ordered to work 10 minutes early? And for this 10 minutes he wants to put in for 4 hours OT under your "4 hour callback" provision?

Originally Posted by soup

That's called double-dipping. If i was called in 10 minutes early from the locker room, I would be eligible for 1 hour at time and 1/2.

I'm not quoting directly because I don't have a copy in front of me, but our CBA states that if an officer is called in to supplement a shift then the officer is paid time and 1/2 at a four hour minimum. If the chief or his designee decides that the officer is finished before the four hours is up, then the officer can be dismissed, but remains on call for the remaining time and must report back to the station if called in. It specifically states that if the officer is scheduled to work in less than 4 hours (if he is called in early for his shift) or held over after his shift ends, then he is paid hour for hour at time and 1/2 until the beginning of his shift, then he goes to straight time. I actually filed a grievance on this issue and it was close to the end of our contract so the town denied the grievance, but stated that they were willing to bargain when the time came. We then bargained it in quite easily. I don't know of any arbitrators decision that would guaranty 4hrs for a call in, if anyone knows of one, that would be great.

Originally Posted by chief801

Where's the flexibility? How about, "Joe, can you book on 10 minutes early, we need you, and in return I'll cut you out an hour early tonight or you can report an hour late tomorrow?" Something like this should never become a contract issue...typical of our profession...we paralyze ourselves with greed, brass included.

Originally Posted by 94c

99% of the guys wouldn't even care. It's the 1% that will make the issue out of it.

But it's the same 1% that will later ask you if he can cut out 15-30 minutes early because of "x,y, or z"

Originally Posted by testtaker

Yes, that is correct!

Originally Posted by LA Copper

If I'm understanding this correctly, it's got to be one of the most greedy and selfish things I've ever heard of in our profession. Please tell me that's not true.

Originally Posted by midwatch

This is what I was thinking. Testtaker, one of your guys actually thinks he deserves 4 hours because he was asked to come on 10 minutes early? I can't believe that your union board actually pushed this issue as far as it has. If this is a major issue then please tell me where you work so I can transfer to Shangri-la.

Originally Posted by soup

If a guy on my department needs relief from his shift early, he justs asks someone for the following shift to come in early. That is between those two guys to "pay one another back." I'm not saying that if I start work ten minutes early I would put in for an hour, only that I could. I can't believe that a dept would even break an hourly rate down to pay someone for ten minutes. Our grievance was filed because guys were called in and were sent home 10 minutes after they got there. Some of them drove 30-45 minutes to get there and then 30-45 minutes home again and the chief paid them 1 hour. It is more for the guy that is called in on his day off. I can't see coming in 2 hrs before your shift starts and expect to get four hours ot when you would have been there anyway.

Originally Posted by soup

I understand that FLSA forces them to pay the 10 minutes. My department would pay the hour (they always have).

Originally Posted by soup

Our grievance was filed because guys were called in and were sent home 10 minutes after they got there. Some of them drove 30-45 minutes to get there and then 30-45 minutes home again and the chief paid them 1 hour. It is more for the guy that is called in on his day off.

Originally Posted by csauce777

What if an officer has a late arrest or other pressing paperwork. I would assume you get hour by hour overtime after your shift ends?

Originally Posted by 94c

Yes. With us the 1st 14 minutes is on the house. 15 minutes give you the 1/2 hour. (and so on)

At least that is what our language says.

Everyone's opinion aside, if you send the guy out 10 minutes early and he puts in a slip for a 3 hour minimum,
he's entitled to it by contract.

He definitely will be reminded that he can be held 14 minutes after the end of his shift without any grievance or compensation. Every day, every week, every month.

It's his call.

Originally Posted by soup

If I am held over after my shift I get hour for hour at t+1/2. Sometimes I don't put in for it, but when I do, there is no argument.