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Posted by: TGPatsfan59

I have been selected as a candidate to become a Police officer for the Federal Reserve Bank in Boston.
Question 1: what are the shifts like
Question 2: is the pay good or is it crappy when you start out?
Question 3: is the academy easy, difficult, or moderate?
Question 4: could a rookie officer go back and continue his education or is it difficult because of rotating shifts (if any)?

Please let me know ASAP so I can make my decision.

Thank you

Posted by: mpd61

Oh Jeez...
Asked and answered, do a search. BTW...
It is NOT a Federal Police position by ANY stretch.

Previously posted:
Just to clarify...The job says Federal Reserve Police. They ARE-NOT federal employees BUT do have powers of arrest on their property! They are a private police force at the "Federal Reserve". They ARE-NOT allowed to carry their firearms from work nor are they allowed to wear their uniform home, that is why they have locker rooms. Their uniforms get dry cleaned and are kept on the property.
The federal reserve is a private organization comprised of a board/cabinet selected by the president. That is were their so called federal police powers are comprised from. To have a federal organization handling the currency would be a "conflict of interest". A bit confusing but thats how it works there.
A good place to start out at w/good bennies. They dont go to FLETC but do "in-house training" and 1-2 weeks at a large federal reserve bank such as NY. They hire outside lawyers to teach the "law" portion. A glorified security guard position. They do get to do some decent training though, a friend of mine got to do training w/ the MSP STOP team a couple of years ago.
Good luck!

Posted by: KozmoKramer

Take a look here TGP.
Woody's right; the search feature really does work you know...

http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4106
http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24108
http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26135

Posted by: Delta784

One of my co-workers used to work at the Boston branch. Good pay, good benefits, but not much (as in none) in the way of "police work".

Looks to me like an excellent job for someone just starting out or wrapping it up.

Posted by: TGPatsfan59

I was just trying to see if anyone on MassCops worked over there to find out what the job was like. As the son of a retired BPD detective and Iraq war vet, I am trying to get my foot in the door and build my resume any way I can.

Posted by: mpd61

Dude,
You need to go VA or DOD as a vet. End of that story

Posted by: jndaniel

Just to clarify MPD61 (if this is what you are saying). I am a Bureau of Engraving & Printing Federal Police Officer (series 0083) we produce, protect and handle the currency from production. If I am wrong in what you are saying please let me know. We are also lucky in that we are covered under 40 USC 1315 which gives us full law enforcement jurisdiction throughout the entire U.S.

Posted by: TGPatsfan59

FYI being a Vet doesn't get you much with the Federal Gov't. Most agencies are looking for a degree regardless if you are a vet or not. the VA police (the last time I applied) required, at a minimum, a full time MCJTC academy.
the DOD police isn't hiring, I looked. Besides, even if it is a glorified security job, it's a step up from being a contract guard(my current position).

Posted by: TGPatsfan59

I found this on Wikipedia.

Federal Reserve Police

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Federal Reserve Police is the law enforcement arm of the Federal Reserve System.
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System derives the authority to authorize "personnel to act as law enforcement officers to protect and safeguard the premises, grounds, property, personnel, including members of the Board, of the Board, or any Federal Reserve Bank, and operations conducted by or on behalf of the Board or a reserve bank" from Section 11(q) of the Federal Reserve Act, codified at 12 USC Section 248 (g).
To be a Federal Reserve Police Officer one must attend a police academy that is approved by The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) and be sworn in as a Federal Law Enforcement Officer. Federal Reserve Police Officers have authority to carry weapons and make arrests while on duty. Federal Reserve Police Officers are authorized to fly while armed.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by jndaniel

Just to clarify MPD61 (if this is what you are saying). I am a Bureau of Engraving & Printing Federal Police Officer (series 0083) we produce, protect and handle the currency from production. If I am wrong in what you are saying please let me know. We are also lucky in that we are covered under 40 USC 1315 which gives us full law enforcement jurisdiction throughout the entire U.S.

Why hello jndaniel!

How are things In D.C.? What I was saying was in relation to the Fed Reserve folks. Nice to see you chime in though. So in any event, what's this weird reference to 40 USC 1315? See you guys are certainly 0083's and you are in D.C. and Ft. Worth right? I guess your agency requested the Secretary of Homeland Security for you (BE&P) to be covered on your "buildings, grounds, and property" just like your cousins in the Postal Police.

Be careful about jumping onto this site and stating that you have "full law enforcement jurisdiction throughout the entire U.S." Buddy you ain't the FBI or U.S. Marshals. YIKES!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGPatsfan59

I found this on Wikipedia.

Federal Reserve Police

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dude!
Wikipedia can make anybody look like foolish...Don't EVAH use that to cite ANYTHING!!!

Posted by: rg1283

I could go on wikipedia right now and change that article to read that the Federal Reserve Police are a branch of CMPSA.

Posted by: mpd61

You wouldn't dare buddy!

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by rg1283

I could go on wikipedia right now and change that article to read that the Federal Reserve Police are a branch of CMPSA.

"Chief" Baril would no doubt be thrilled at the sudden influx of applications.....until he realized the people want to actually be paid.

Posted by: jndaniel

DC is just fine. Actually us along with FPS were under the originial law 40 USC 318 and when the Homeland Security Act was enacted we automatically fell under that without much permission from the Director. Sounds weird but true. Yes we do have two facilities here and Ft. Worth. Ft. Worth is more security oriented as we are too but have much more latitude by writing moving violations. It is a perceived misinterpretation but with 1315 and a couple of other Public Laws and other authority under main Treasury we do have quite of bit of jurisdiction throughout the U.S. due to the fact of the currency. We may not actively go out and do things but we are granted it.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by jndaniel

DC is just fine. Actually us along with FPS were under the originial law 40 USC 318 and when the Homeland Security Act was enacted we automatically fell under that without much permission from the Director. Sounds weird but true. Yes we do have two facilities here and Ft. Worth. Ft. Worth is more security oriented as we are too but have much more latitude by writing moving violations. It is a perceived misinterpretation but with 1315 and a couple of other Public Laws and other authority under main Treasury we do have quite of bit of jurisdiction throughout the U.S. due to the fact of the currency. We may not actively go out and do things but we are granted it.

YA RIGHT!!!!

Posted by: TGPatsfan59

knock it all you want... if you are not going to give me useful information, I suggest we close the feed and I will ask someplace else since you are all REAL mature.

Posted by: kttref

Don't trust Wikipedia...that being said, they are glorified Security Guards...I believe their academy is like a week. They frown upon actually making arrests. They get to play with lots of fun guns. Shifts are easy and boring. Pay is good. It's a great place to start.

I can say all that because my husband was one. Hell, if nothing else it looks good on a resume. When my husband began that job they were "Federal Security Guards"...a few weeks after he was there it turned into "Federal Police Officer."

Take a job if it's offered. No reason not to. And please do a search from here on in if you know exactly what you're talking about...I know I've posted all this before.

Posted by: FAPD

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGPatsfan59

knock it all you want... if you are not going to give me useful information, I suggest we close the feed and I will ask someplace else since you are all REAL mature.

Ouch! We're all feeling your pain. Go ahead and go elsewhere. While your at it, go anywhere you want, after all you have full jurisdiction wherevr you go!

Posted by: TGPatsfan59

I move to close this feed.

Posted by: kttref

Why?....and it's a "thread"

Posted by: Inspector71

You know it is rather funny isn't it? I've heard of the U.S. Mint Police (gs-083) and I know they are in NYC, San Francisco, Denver, West Point, and a couple other places. Even seen their SRT. I've never even heard of the BEP cops. You would think with their broad authority all over the U.S. we would see them on CNN more

Maybe they should absorb the Engraving and Printing cops. What the heck, they're both Treasury agencies, right?

Posted by: jndaniel

Congress asked for both entities to come up with some ideas on how we can merge all functions. The idea wasn't for BEP to go under the Mint, it was in fact for them to come under us and be "US Treasury Police." That is because the Mint is losing money (no pun intended) faster than anything of which they will probably lose millions on their dollar coin. We have requested for years to join, but to no avail. It was even speculated for the Mint, FPS, and us to join together. We actually do travel throughout the US in plainclothes quite a bit.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by jndaniel

It was even speculated for the Mint, FPS, and us to join together. We actually do travel throughout the US in plainclothes quite a bit.

Really? doing what? acting as couriers/escorts, or conducting investigations and making arrests? What's your total FTE in D.C. and Texas? define how much of your time is spent as 0083's in plainclothes, that equals "Quite a bit?"

Posted by: jndaniel

We do couriers/escorts and currency shows. Total FTE's in both places is approximately 230. There are actually a few officers that have been in plainclothes for quite awhile. We make all of our lock-ups in uniform. We have done sting operations in plainclothes and disquises.

MPD61-Did you use to work in DC for SSUD or something?

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by jndaniel

We do couriers/escorts and currency shows. Total FTE's in both places is approximately 230. There are actually a few officers that have been in plainclothes for quite awhile. We make all of our lock-ups in uniform. We have done sting operations in plainclothes and disquises.

MPD61-Did you use to work in DC for SSUD or something?

O.K. cool, so you provide security for movement of materiel and at exhibits. Can you elaborate on what kind of "sting" operations"? Wouldn't you be encroaching on Treasury Agent (1811's) operations? Or is it more like internal loss prevention?

I never worked for SSUD, however, I was a DOE Federal Officer, and my range instructor was former SSUD and Agent with them. I've never even been to the White House.

Posted by: 2ndtour311

You earthier go to NYC or Atlanta for 5 weeks. The PT is a joke, aka none, but the firearms training is gerat! Good place to get started or finish never stay. Boston is very rigid about there policies unlike NYC. So if you go to train in NYC and you come back to Boston its a big change. Hey if you get a shot go, FLETC certified training can't be bad right!?

Posted by: TGPatsfan59

finally someone who answered my questions, thanks 2ndtour.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGPatsfan59

finally someone who answered my questions, thanks 2ndtour.

Aren't you glad we didn't close "the feed" two days ago.

Posted by: kttref

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2ndtour311

You earthier go to NYC or Atlanta for 5 weeks. The PT is a joke, aka none, but the firearms training is gerat! Good place to get started or finish never stay. Boston is very rigid about there policies unlike NYC. So if you go to train in NYC and you come back to Boston its a big change. Hey if you get a shot go, FLETC certified training can't be bad right!?

See they've changed their training in the past 5 years or so..probably for the better.

Posted by: jndaniel

Most of the agents in Treasury are OIG. We really don't work with them, matter of fact I have never worked with anyone from IG. Probably the funniest stings we did when we got a report from a tourist that a DC meter maid was taking bribes inorder to get out of parking tickets. During a month long undercover investigation along with investigators with DC governement we uncovered that he milked approximately $40,000 to $50,000 from tourists, federal employees and DC residences. We got him for briber of a government official. The funny part was when we took him to lock-up several MPD and Capitol Officers were so pumped up they were gonna make it their mission to get a meter maid.

Posted by: FAPD

Quote:

Originally Posted by jndaniel

Most of the agents in Treasury are OIG. We really don't work with them, matter of fact I have never worked with anyone from IG. Probably the funniest stings we did when we got a report from a tourist that a DC meter maid was taking bribes inorder to get out of parking tickets. During a month long undercover investigation along with investigators with DC governement we uncovered that he milked approximately $40,000 to $50,000 from tourists, federal employees and DC residences. We got him for briber of a government official. The funny part was when we took him to lock-up several MPD and Capitol Officers were so pumped up they were gonna make it their mission to get a meter maid.

What in the heck have you been smokin? What DC government agency worked undercover with you if it wasnt the DC Metro or Capitol Police?

Posted by: jndaniel

DC Inspector General's office

Posted by: Slimer

Quote:

Originally Posted by jndaniel

The funny part was when we took him to lock-up several MPD and Capitol Officers were so pumped up they were gonna make it their mission to get a meter maid.

http://www.numismatics.org/

You could probably help out these folks once in a while too!

Posted by: FAPD

Quote:

Originally Posted by jndaniel

DC Inspector General's office

What happened to the clown at trial?

Posted by: jndaniel

He plead out to around two years probation

Posted by: Inspector71

Quote:

Originally Posted by jndaniel

He plead out to around two years probation

So that case was United states v. __________?

Posted by: jndaniel

No, District of Columbia v ?. What's the interrogation tactics for? Ya'll making this a big deal for nothing.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by jndaniel

No, District of Columbia v ?. What's the interrogation tactics for? Ya'll making this a big deal for nothing.

Probably because you made it out to be a "big deal" or something.

Posted by: mpd61

Coming soon to a national disaster near you (under the BE&P Police) the ultimate federal police agency:

Posted by: Inspector71

jndaniel?

Where are you? guess you're out kicking ass all over, too busy to hang anymore?

Posted by: mpd61

Jndaniel is a phony.
The Federal Reserve System "police" are not federal officers by any stretch.
They are private police working for a Board of Governors. They do have arrest powers within the "footprint" of the federal reserve building. You won't find one carrying legally under H.R. 218 either. Enough said?

Posted by: jndaniel

Sorry I haven't responded lately. I had a month and a half of "use or lose." It's been a while. Since they are not considered federal police then you need to go tell OPM that because they are under the impression with a 0083 classification and the authority to 1. carry firearms 2. have arrest authority (no matter how limited) 3. be employed as an entity of the government 4. conduct investigations (even though they maybe limited) not only qualify as federal officers, but also cover the criteria of HR 218 even though their agency may not want them to. If the equity act ever passes congress and the president signs it they even cover the criteria of getting 6(c) retirement.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by jndaniel

Sorry I haven't responded lately. I had a month and a half of "use or lose." It's been a while. Since they are not considered federal police then you need to go tell OPM that because they are under the impression with a 0083 classification and the authority to 1. carry firearms 2. have arrest authority (no matter how limited) 3. be employed as an entity of the government 4. conduct investigations (even though they maybe limited) not only qualify as federal officers, but also cover the criteria of HR 218 even though their agency may not want them to. If the equity act ever passes congress and the president signs it they even cover the criteria of getting 6(c) retirement.

Ahhh....
Nice try with the GS-0083, NOT !!!!!!

And BTW, remember you said BE&P was going to absorb the MINT P.D.?
I gotta say Bullsh*t!!!!!

"Uncivil Service" -
The Federal Reserve as a Workplace
The Federal Reserve isn’t just a unique and powerful economic institution. It’s also a large employer -- and has a unique approach to labor relations with the thousands of clerical and security workers it employs. In a recent publication, the Financial Markets Center (a nonprofit research and educational group) offers a case study of what happened when protective officers at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York tried to form a union.
In our hands is placed a power
Among other responsibilities, the 120 protective officers at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York watch over the biggest repository of gold anywhere in the world. A New York Fed publication boasts about the uniformed protection force that guards its gold vaults:
In the spring of 1997, a group of guards began a concerted campaign to organize a bargaining unit affiliated with the Fraternal Order of Police. Most were already FOP members in an associate capacity -- the group operates as a social club and community service organization as well as a union.
Over the next six months, the New York Fed resisted fiercely, hiring one of the country’s best-known union-busting firms to guide its efforts and insisting that a union would betray members’ interests. Eventually, the counter-union efforts paid off. In December, the first representation election ever held at a Federal Reserve Bank ended in a 58-58 deadlock -- a victory for the employer, since the union failed to garner a majority.
At first, the FOP tried to overturn the election results through a series of steps peculiar to the Fed’s labor relations system. The union filed an objection to the election before the American Arbitration Association, which had overseen the polling, as well as filing unfair labor practice charges with the Fed.
In these filings, the FOP claimed that guards received no privacy as they filled out their ballots and that irregularities marred the handling of ballot boxes after the election. The FOP also charged that New York Fed officials had attempted to intimidate the guards and illegally reward them for voting against the union.
Specifically, union supporters say that guards were given an eight percent pay raise after the election deadlock, and that 39 guards were promoted -- none of them union backers. The local FOP president also contends that the New York Fed retaliated against union supporters by suspending or firing them for infractions that drew less severe penalties for anti-union employees. Bank officials have publicly denied the union’s charges.
Different from day one
The bitter New York Fed campaign illustrates just how starkly the Federal Reserve differs from other federal workplaces.
In large measure, Congress established those differences in the 1913 Federal Reserve Act, which excluded Fed employees from the civil service and granted the central bank carte blanche powers with respect to hiring, pay and related matters.
In addition, the Federal Reserve Act contains language that empowers Reserve Banks to dismiss their employees on an "at-pleasure" basis. Though Congress may have intended this provision to apply only to high-ranking officials, courts have interpreted it as authorizing employment-at-will treatment -- the constant threat of summary dismissal -- for maintenance and support staffers at Reserve Banks.
Unprotected by civil service status and exposed to the employment-at-will doctrine, Federal Reserve employees have never been covered by a collective bargaining agreement. Indeed, the Fed has experienced very few unionization efforts in the past. In the 1960s, guards at the New York Fed made their first attempt to organize a union, according to the Fraternal Order of Police, which was not involved in that effort. In 1977, the Teamsters unsuccessfully sought a representation election for 35 guards at the Board of Governors in Washington.
In recent years, however, the Fed has been busier resisting unionization. As the Federal Reserve Bank of New York thwarted its guards’ organizing effort in 1997, the Board of Governors was fending off a "reinventing government" initiative to place the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) within the Fed, telling the General Accounting Office that it wasn’t "prepared to inherit BEP’s 18 unions."

Jndaniel, You're owned!

Posted by: jndaniel

Study GAO reports more in depth!!!!

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by jndaniel

Study GAO reports more in depth!!!!

Good vague reply

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