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Main Page 75/25 Update
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Posted by: j809

A topic near and dear to most of our hearts, the 75/25 has been re-filed and is currently at the hearing stage of the process. This is very early in the process and has a ways to go, before it gets down to the nitty gritty of it all. One issue holding up the 75/25 is the current status of many retirement systems. A side note to keep on mind with the upcoming Presidential election. Last year the 75/25 was fast tracked through both the House and Senate and placed on Governor Romney's desk during his last week in office. It was considered the easiest way to get the bill passed with little opposition. Unfortunately Mr. Romney walked out on us and didn't sign the bill before leaving office. Just keep this little tid bit on mind should he be on the ballot when the time comes to vote.

Posted by: 94c

The reason this didn't pass last time was because too many other public occupations tried to jump on the bandwagon, ie. teachers

Posted by: alphadog1

For over twenty years the 75/25 has been kicked around. I don't think it stands a chance, once again for the above reason(s).

Posted by: mikemac64

MassCop has the Governer's ear. The Governer wants some sort of pension reform and is a big government guy.

Doesn't mean it will pass, but it is an added dimension. They could ask for something whacky in return like giving up details.

And don't forget, there was a 20 year provision in there.

Posted by: 94c

Correct me if I'm wrong:

This is according to our Union during the last push.

If we were to get 75/25 you would have to tell them right then and there that's what you plan on doing.

You couldn't just wake up one day and say "I'll take 75/25 now".

Posted by: tarc

94C,
I'm not sure if that was universal, or at the discretion of each PD. I did hear the reason it died last time and will probably every time is the teachers (as stated above). There are to many teachers to get on board w/that program.

Posted by: j809

Deval said that details and QUinn are not on his list of priorities to cut at all. He assured our union that very recently again, after all these attacks on details by the media. He does want pension reform. Maybe as a way to get 75/25 the towns/unions will agree to leave the county and/or other retirement systems and move them all under the state.

Posted by: irish937

Thanks for the update. Keep us posted.

Posted by: soup

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Originally Posted by j809

A topic near and dear to most of our hearts, the 75/25 has been re-filed and is currently at the hearing stage of the process. This is very early in the process and has a ways to go, before it gets down to the nitty gritty of it all. One issue holding up the 75/25 is the current status of many retirement systems. A side note to keep on mind with the upcoming Presidential election. Last year the 75/25 was fast tracked through both the House and Senate and placed on Governor Romney's desk during his last week in office. It was considered the easiest way to get the bill passed with little opposition. Unfortunately Mr. Romney walked out on us and didn't sign the bill before leaving office. Just keep this little tid bit on mind should he be on the ballot when the time comes to vote.

Also keep in mind that he did take the time to erase all of the laws pertaining to possession and disposal of needles. He is an asshole.

Posted by: alphadog1

Weld had overwhelming support of all of the group 4 unions in the 1990s. Everybody thought it was going to happen back then. The state was in trouble financially, and they wanted to get rid of the 5%s because they were costing the retirement boards. Didn't happen and I wouldn't count on this Governor.

Posted by: mikemac64

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Originally Posted by j809

Deval said that details and QUinn are not on his list of priorities to cut at all. He assured our union that very recently again, after all these attacks on details by the media. He does want pension reform. Maybe as a way to get 75/25 the towns/unions will agree to leave the county and/or other retirement systems and move them all under the state.

Just because Deval does not want to go after details and Quinn, does not mean someone else at the table won't propose it. It is my understanding one of the compromises proposed for 75/25 in the past was ending Quinn.

Deval's administration has also expended considerable effort on the pension issue.

Posted by: alphadog1

Why should we give up the Quinn Bill or details for the 75/25?

Posted by: Macop

The politicians know if they mess with Quinn or Details that they will be cutting thier throats.

Posted by: 7MPOC

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Originally Posted by soup

Also keep in mind that he did take the time to erase all of the laws pertaining to possession and disposal of needles. He is an asshole.

I believe most of that came because the crime lab is extremely overworked and were sick of dealing with dirty needles. Also, most of the courts were getting tired of people being charged with the needles with no drug charges.

Posted by: 94c

I've never known the crime lab to accept needles unless they were part of another more serious crime. In which case they'll accept them anyway.

Posted by: OCKS

I think in this day and age of public employee haters we would have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a 75/25. Law enforcement had a bump in populartiy after 911 but all you have to do is read the papers and listen to talk radio. They want to take away the Quinn bill,get rid of details, we all make to much, we do nothing, blah blah blah.

Posted by: soup

No, some idiots think that letting junkies buy clean needles will stop the spread of diseases. Obviously they thought the junkies would dispose of them safely, so they wiped out the whole chapter and section including improper disposal and or storage. They don't mind us having a greater chance of being stuck. The courts get tired of anything you charge people with, it had noting to do with needle charges with no drugs. The crime lab will not accept any needles unless you have a damn good reason, like someone died.

Posted by: 7MPOC

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Originally Posted by soup

No, some idiots think that letting junkies buy clean needles will stop the spread of diseases. Obviously they thought the junkies would dispose of them safely, so they wiped out the whole chapter and section including improper disposal and or storage. They don't mind us having a greater chance of being stuck. The courts get tired of anything you charge people with, it had noting to do with needle charges with no drugs. The crime lab will not accept any needles unless you have a damn good reason, like someone died.

They will accept needles is they are part of the crime. I had a fully loaded needle that I submitted and never heard a complaint. When I sent an empty needle up there to have the residue tested I heard back from the lab, STOP sending empty needles.

Posted by: soup

How long ago? Their policy changed, they will not accept needles unless there is a good reason for it.

Posted by: 7MPOC

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Originally Posted by soup

How long ago? Their policy changed, they will not accept needles unless there is a good reason for it.

It was earlier this year (priot to summer). However I dont think they forbid sending them but they did fax a prefered method vs the old method prior to the law being changed. Guys still do it, and personally if I grab someone who just used they are still getting charged with class A and I will continue to do it. Someone is not getting a free pass because they used there bag just before I rolled up on them and all I have is a needle with residue....let them complain or let the court dump it I say.....I did my job and thats all anyone can do.

Posted by: soup

I had a conversation today with our Det. Sgt. who is also the Drug Evidence Officer. The MSP lab will not test needles. You may be submitting them to your evidence officer, but he is either not sending them in or when he does send them in they are not tested.

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by soup

How long ago? Their policy changed, they will not accept needles unless there is a good reason for it.

it's been quite a few years for us.

Posted by: 7MPOC

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Originally Posted by soup

I had a conversation today with our Det. Sgt. who is also the Drug Evidence Officer. The MSP lab will not test needles. You may be submitting them to your evidence officer, but he is either not sending them in or when he does send them in they are not tested.

I know they were being sent so they must not be being tested at all unless there is good reason like you stated. Try this one on..... the lab wont test anymore and the courts wont accept officer's field testing because its non-binding, go figure...

Posted by: soup

The Plymouth County DA's office is going to introduce a new protocol when dealing with heroin overdoses. Most of them are treated as a medical call and the EMT's revive them with Narcan. That isn't going to be the case anymore. Let's see what the drug lab says to a judge's order to test the needle........................ who do you think will win that argument?

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