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Posted by: firefighter39

http://www.middlesexsheriff.org/employment.htm

CORRECTIONS OFFICERS
Are you seeking a career in Law Enforcement?
Do you have what it takes to be a member of a professional public safety team?
Then the Middlesex Sheriff's Office may be looking for you.
Salary for Law Enforcement Correction Officer $39,384- $53,441

What is a Law Enforcement Corrections Officer? I saw this posting on the Sheriff's web page

Posted by: COto50

I beleive middlesex puts their guys through the reserve intermittent class while they are in the C/O academy. just fancy wording for correction officers who are deputies

Posted by: AdamJ1984

Yeah that's been on there for a while, tricky wording for a jail officer basically. Good place I think to work with alot of specialized units. People can say what they want about most Sheriff's departments, but DiPaola takes care of his people.

Posted by: BB-59

Oh no, here we go again!

Posted by: USMCTrooper

Two horses and THREE horses asses.......

Posted by: DodgeRam

^^^ Hahahahahaha Omfg

Posted by: rg1283

That Sheriff wastes so much money with his crap. He is a joke he should be the poster child for getting rid of the sheriff's.

Posted by: RPD931

While I am not a big fan of Sheriff's with ALL the toys, I do think it is VERY handy to have the "Counties" equipped with the various Command Centers and specialty vehicles as they are available to ANY town within the respective County. With today's municipal finances it seems more realistic that the Counties have this equipment AVAILABLE for use.

If a town were awarded grant funds to buy some fancy vehicle, who's gonna drive it? Who's gonna man it? Who's gonna pay for the man-power/O.T.? Most towns wouldn't have the payroll budget to handle such, at least at the with the county aspect you get the whole sha-bang.

Posted by: RCPD33

I recognize that place....... They are in Harvard Yard! Must have been a recent Commencement ceremony.

Posted by: C.O. I

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Originally Posted by RCPD33

I recognize that place....... They are in Harvard Yard! Must have been a recent Commencement ceremony.

Man that poor horse...Its knees look like their about to buckle.

Posted by: KozmoKramer

Yeah, what is it with the High Sheriffs and their, um, I'll be kind; portly physiques?
Dipaola, Cabral, McDonald, all 3 look like they spend a little too much time in the chow hall.

Posted by: kwflatbed

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Originally Posted by KozmoKramer

Yeah, what is it with the High Sheriffs and their, um, I'll be kind; portly physiques?
Dipaola, Cabral, McDonald, all 3 look like they spend a little too much time in the chow hall.

And the cons say the food is bad LOL

Posted by: 94c

That's one strange backstroke...

Posted by: bbelichick

"law enforcement corrections officer"=

oxyMORON

Posted by: pahapoika

as a side note , was checking out a fellow officer's patch collection and he pointed out that most of the old county patches said sheriff's "department" and the new patches say sheriff's "office"

don't know if it means anything , but haven't seen any that say "law enforcement" yet.

Posted by: AdamJ1984

Real quick question for those who work within this organization, do you like the overall work experience and if not, why? Also, is there available overtime and how is it picked up/distributed. I know the Cambridge jail is not operating so it seems it is now just BHOC.

Posted by: OPD05

Does anyone know how hard it is to get a K-9 job within the Sheriff's Dept?

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by RCPD33

I recognize that place....... They are in Harvard Yard! Must have been a recent Commencement ceremony.

Now you know why they call it "pomp and circumstance" or "dog and pony show" LMFAO!

Posted by: kwflatbed

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Originally Posted by OPD05

Does anyone know how hard it is to get a K-9 job within the Sheriff's Dept?

Just hold the sign and pay the money

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Paha,

I think the change from "Department" to "Office" has something to do with the removal of the word county from a lot of paperwork. When I left Essex, they were changing the letter head from "Essex County Sheriff's Department" to "Essex Sheriff's Office". I'm not sure why that is, or what the difference is, but that is when I noticed the change.

A few of the counties out west had "Law Enforcement Division" on their patches. Not sure if that is still the case.

Posted by: Edmizer1

The "Law Enforcement Division" still exists in Hampden County. You can join the "LED" by attending the Sheriff's annual clambake and donating a certain amount to his campaign fund. Some LEDs just get a badge and and id but some go to the R/I and can work details if the towns call them. The LEDs are not the COs from the jail. The LEDs wear tan uniforms. My favorites are when I stop a luxury vehicle and see that the address of the operator is from a rich neighborhood and the guy pulls out a sheriff's badge id'ing himself as from the sheriff's dept. They are called "clambake" sheriffs out west.

Posted by: pahapoika

Paha,

I think the change from "Department" to "Office" has something to do with the removal of the word county from a lot of paperwork. When I left Essex, they were changing the letter head from "Essex County Sheriff's Department" to "Essex Sheriff's Office". I'm not sure why that is, or what the difference is, but that is when I noticed the change.

talked to a county officer friday and his take on it was because "departments'' can be taken over or elimitated. and a 'office" cannot.

( i'm sure those sheriff's are up to something sneaky

)

speaking of K-9, one county C/O had enough of the politics and gave up his K-9 job. he kept his dog because they pay for them ( $4000)

said it was a great job , just too many politics

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by PearlOnyx

I think the change from "Department" to "Office" has something to do with the removal of the word county from a lot of paperwork. When I left Essex, they were changing the letter head from "Essex County Sheriff's Department" to "Essex Sheriff's Office". I'm not sure why that is, or what the difference is, but that is when I noticed the change..

Essex County as a government doesn't exist anymore; they were voted out of existence by the legislature several years ago, hence the word "county" not being there.

Posted by: BB-59

They change it to "Office" because a sheriff is an elected, not appointed position.

That is why a sheriff, in theory has the power, or the loopholes if you will to get grants where a single PD cannot. By claiming that they represent the county, they claim they can provide mutual aid over several or more juridictions.

Be more concerned if they ever put "Department of Public Safety" on that patch they wear. That, would open up a new can of worms for agencies to deal with.

Posted by: Vader

Where do these guys patrol? I am going to whip by one of them in my pc at about 140 and see what happens...

Posted by: MM1799

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Originally Posted by Vader

Where do these guys patrol? I am going to whip by one of them in my pc at about 140 and see what happens...

Make sure you identify yourself and watch as they run to their cruiser and magically disappear!

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Delta,

I'm aware of the abolishment of county government issue. However, the word "County" remained on all the paperwork and our patches until 2005 when I left. Evidentally took them awhile to change things up.

Posted by: Vader

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Originally Posted by MM1799

Make sure you identify yourself and watch as they run to their cruiser and magically disappear!

Who said I was going to stop....

Posted by: chiefwiggum

Say what you want, I've been saying for years these guys are going to start doing more and more. Now I see them every where. They have Warrant units in pretty much every City in Middlesex. Cambridge, Framingham, Lowell and I think Woburn. It's a matter of time before they start using more K-9s and stuff. I think they pretty much put themselves at the disposal of the City or town and don't try to run things and that's why the Local PDs are starting to utilize them more and more.
No one knows more than me that they are hacks (I used to work there) but at the same time most of the guys that are picked for these outside jobs are OK. It is tough defending a "Office" when you have that type photographic evidence though.
But from what I understand all of these guys in these specialty positions have been through a full time police academy and my experience working with these guys (Warrant Unit) hasn't been bad.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

Say what you want, I've been saying for years these guys are going to start doing more and more. Now I see them every where. They have Warrant units in pretty much every City in Middlesex. Cambridge, Framingham, Lowell and I think Woburn. It's a matter of time before they start using more K-9s and stuff. I think they pretty much put themselves at the disposal of the City or town and don't try to run things and that's why the Local PDs are starting to utilize them more and more.

Shame on the local cities and towns for allowing this. I would be raising holy hell if the sheriff's office did that in my city (although I don't have to worry about it) because that's an excuse for the PD to cut positions and slash the budget. The deputies who engage in these duties are quite simply scabs; they're endangering another union's job positions.

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Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

No one knows more than me that they are hacks (I used to work there) but at the same time most of the guys that are picked for these outside jobs are OK.

I'd bet my life savings that it's the ass-kissers who are "picked" for outside jobs, and their qualifications have more to do with their checkbook than anything else.

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Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

But from what I understand all of these guys in these specialty positions have been through a full time police academy and my experience working with these guys (Warrant Unit) hasn't been bad.

If these people have been to a full-time police academy and want to work outside the jail, then they obviously want to be police officers. The question of the day is;

Why aren't they police officers?

Posted by: chiefwiggum

As I said they are all hacks in one way or another everybody who works there knows some body or did when ever the were hired.
That being said their Dept. put them through the Academy so they could go to these units. They are not scabs because they are all in the Union I think the N.E.P.A. not 100% sure.
Don't get me wrong I think that I would much rather see the $ go to local Dept.s but it wouldn't make sense to purchase some thing for a million bucks that you would only use once in a while and the City or Town is not gonna have the dough. They have the toys/$$$ and are offering them and all I'm saying is a lot of Cities and Towns arer taking them up on it.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

That being said their Dept. put them through the Academy so they could go to these units. They are not scabs because they are all in the Union I think the N.E.P.A. not 100% sure.

I don't care if they're the next coming of Jimmy Hoffa; they're engaging in activities that endanger another union's existing work positions. If they pulled their crap with the IBEW or the tunnel workers, they'd end up with broken legs.

They are SCABS.

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Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

Don't get me wrong I think that I would much rather see the $ go to local Dept.s but it wouldn't make sense to purchase some thing for a million bucks that you would only use once in a while and the City or Town is not gonna have the dough.

The $$ are coming from law enforcement grants stolen by the sheriff's departments that should go to legitimate police agencies.

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Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

They have the toys/$$$ and are offering them and all I'm saying is a lot of Cities and Towns arer taking them up on it.

As I said, shame on the cities and towns. Their police unions should be screaming from the highest rooftop about it.

Posted by: onetime

Delta - I can't believe I am even dignifying this with a response, but as far as your comment on the IBEW and the Tunnel Workers, have you ever heard of "travelers" I know personally of three guys from Local 103 who went out to San Diego to do some work while they were laid off back East. Now, I am sure you will pitch the argument that it was probably still within the IBEW out there, that may be the case, I'm not sure. But, I don't understand why anyone out here who feels so strongly the Sheriff's shouldn't be doing details (within their county) in a local pd's town, doesn't feel the same way when a State Trooper is also doing a detail in a local pd's town. I mean after all, I don't think any city or town PD in Massachusetts is a member of the State Police Union.

I know I am just perpetuating this whole argument, but I had to throw my two cents in. The bottom line is, no matter what happens, those of you who have such strong opinions about Sheriff's in Massachusetts will more than likely never change those opinions, but I do think anyone in the law enforcement community deserves a little more respect for what they do, than many on this forum give to the Sherrif's Dept/Office employees.

Remember there are hacks/kiss assess everywhere you go.

Posted by: kwflatbed

"State Trooper is also doing a detail in a local pd's town"

99% of the time when you see a trooper on a detail in a town it
is on a state road that runs through that town or it is a special
event like an airshow or expo.

Posted by: onetime

So again, on those very special circumstances such as an expo, or an air show, are the local police unions "screaming from the highest rooftop" I don't think so. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: pahapoika

on the individual level what you might be seeing is "white male syndrome" guys who couldn't get on their respective police departments because of affirmative action and after working a few years in the local jail see a chance to do police work.

i know one officer who worked inside ,tough street kid who got a chance to attend the BPD academy and now works apprehension for his county.

unfortunately this is not always the case and accountants, hair dressers , etc have been put out on the street by the sheriff's department.

guys here have told me to put down the crack pipe , but if the sheriffs department ever became that big of a threat why not be pro-active and unionize them ?

as a member of Teamsters Local #82 we would actively try and unionize any moving companies in the Boston area.

either that or get the local city and town cops on the same page and get legislation passed like BPD stating only one department is allowed to be the law in that city/town.

in all honesty i enjoy the extra money and chance to work outside again. we only take the stuff the cops can't fill. the sheriff's department has good resources for crowd control , search and rescue , fugitive apprehension , etc. so it's not all bad.

think the local PD's have to rally their members and make sure the politicians know their the #1 agency in that particular area

Posted by: kwflatbed

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Originally Posted by onetime

So again, on those very special circumstances such as an expo, or an air show, are the local police unions "screaming from the highest rooftop" I don't think so. I wonder why that is?

Not enough local manpower, use your common sense if you have any you
would have known the answer.Extra detail officers needed in my town
go to the local towns first if they have officers that can work.Then SP.

The only ones that seem to be screaming from the highest rooftops are
the HACK sheriffs that want to play COP.

Posted by: chiefwiggum

I think I should make myself clear. I'm not for the Sherriff's Dept working details in my City unless it was for a detail that was going unfilled anyway and if that's the case fill it with whoever wants it. The only place I see the Sherriffs Dept. doing details now is on the Highway. I don't have a problem with this. If the S.P. can't fill a detail and they want to call the Sheriffs thats fine with me.
If they want to assist with patrol (No bosses or management) or provide some of their equipment I don't have a problem with that eather. As long as the City or Town has the final say and the City or Town has a boss in charge.
The reality is they have the money right now and the toys and they seem to bend over backwards to help and not try to take over command they just want to be cops. The way I see it these warrant units wouldn't exist if the Sheriffs didn't put the resources into it in the first place.

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by onetime

So again, on those very special circumstances such as an expo, or an air show, are the local police unions "screaming from the highest rooftop" I don't think so. I wonder why that is?

You're wrong. We had that problem and dealt with it straight on. As far as secondary state roadways go the solution is simple.

You want to work the detail there? Then all calls for service get transferred to the MSP to handle. Someone wants to report a car break? Give them directions to the nearest barracks and tell them we sent you.

When cooler heads prevail, a workable solution developes.

You just have to get the higher ups to address the problem and reach a solution that is fair.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by onetime

So again, on those very special circumstances such as an expo, or an air show, are the local police unions "screaming from the highest rooftop" I don't think so. I wonder why that is?

Because the MSP also hires locals to do their Details when they can't fill them.

Posted by: masscopguy

The use of the word office or department is interesting. Most Sheriff's use the word office. Yet, Plymouth, Suffolk, Hampden and Nantucket still use the word Department.

I wonder if it is up to the Sheriff?

Most counties have eliminated seperate county governement where an Board of County Commissioners were elected along with a Treasurer.

However, some county government still operates like in Plymouth and Dukes County. In addition to funding from the state most counties functioned on revenue from the transfer of real estate deeds. Now that money goes directly to the state which then sends it back to the county.

Even though Middlesex County government was abolished, we still elect people to serve as Sheriff, Superior Court Clerk, Register of Deeds and Register of Probate.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by onetime

Delta - I can't believe I am even dignifying this with a response, but as far as your comment on the IBEW and the Tunnel Workers, have you ever heard of "travelers" I know personally of three guys from Local 103 who went out to San Diego to do some work while they were laid off back East. Now, I am sure you will pitch the argument that it was probably still within the IBEW out there, that may be the case, I'm not sure.

If you're not sure, then you probably shouldn't be using that as an example. In any case, it doesn't matter. If you put the wrong bumper sticker on your car at election time, the IBEW shuns you and you don't work. Imagine what they would do to someone stealing their work.

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Originally Posted by onetime

But, I don't understand why anyone out here who feels so strongly the Sheriff's shouldn't be doing details (within their county) in a local pd's town, doesn't feel the same way when a State Trooper is also doing a detail in a local pd's town. I mean after all, I don't think any city or town PD in Massachusetts is a member of the State Police Union.

I wasn't referring to details, I was referring to the psuedo-police gigs like the warrant teams.

But since you brought it up; the state police and local police understand how it operates. I was doing a detail on a city street that was going to go out onto a state road, and I refused to let them move the equipment until our detail officer got the okay from the state police. I'm sure there is a state law or DCR regulation that requires state troopers for details on DCR roads.

Likewise, if a detail was 100% on a city street the state police wouldn't take the detail unless we couldn't fill it. We have city ordinance that requires city police officers for details on city streets.

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Originally Posted by onetime

I know I am just perpetuating this whole argument, but I had to throw my two cents in. The bottom line is, no matter what happens, those of you who have such strong opinions about Sheriff's in Massachusetts will more than likely never change those opinions, but I do think anyone in the law enforcement community deserves a little more respect for what they do, than many on this forum give to the Sherrif's Dept/Office employees.

I have all the respect in the world for deputy sheriffs who know their role and stick to it; the care, custody, and transport of inmates.

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Originally Posted by onetime

Remember there are hacks/kiss assess everywhere you go.

Common sense will tell you there are many more hacks in a place where the boss is elected and there is no mechanism for hiring other than the boss hires you.

Posted by: MPDReserve

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Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

The only place I see the Sherriffs Dept. doing details now is on the Highway. I don't have a problem with this. If the S.P. can't fill a detail and they want to call the Sheriffs thats fine with me.

In a case like this, do the SP call on the locals to see if they want it first? I have never seen a local on the highway, except NH. Just curious.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by MPDReserve

In a case like this, do the SP call on the locals to see if they want it first? I have never seen a local on the highway, except NH. Just curious.

We've been called many times for details on the highway that MSP can't fill. We usually have to say no because they require a cruiser, and our chief is a dink who won't let us use cruisers for details.

Posted by: MPDReserve

That's what I was thinking.

Posted by: GodblessThearmy

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Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

We still use MSP.

Posted by: resqjyw0

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Originally Posted by chiefwiggum

If the S.P. can't fill a detail and they want to call the Sheriffs thats fine with me.

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Originally Posted by Delta784

I was under the impression that if MSP couldn't fill a highway detail, they call the EPOs and if they can't fill it then it goes to the local PD. If its a state road like Rt. 20 and Rt. 9 then the MSP (if the job was given to them first) would call the local PD.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Resq,

MSP has in the past used the counties to fill details pretty regularly on 128, Route 1, 95, and 495 on the North Shore.

Posted by: resqjyw0

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Originally Posted by PearlOnyx

Resq,

MSP has in the past used the counties to fill details pretty regularly on 128, Route 1, 95, and 495 on the North Shore.

That's too far east from the areas I frequently travel through.

Thanks for filling me in though.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by MPDReserve

In a case like this, do the SP call on the locals to see if they want it first? I have never seen a local on the highway, except NH. Just curious.

What you're seeing in NH is a figment of your imagination. Remember; the Boston Herald says that Massachusetts is the only state with police details, right?

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Originally Posted by resqjyw0

Could be; I have no idea who they call (if they do) before us.

Posted by: MPDReserve

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Originally Posted by Delta784

What you're seeing in NH is a figment of your imagination. Remember; the Boston Herald says that Massachusetts is the only state with police details, right?

Of course, how silly of me...

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