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Posted by: ralphmroz

Mass has the unusual system of "strong" chiefs (41/97) and "weak" chiefs" (41/97A). Yet I am having a heck of a time finding a resource that clearly defines the difference. Does anyone know of one? Thanks!



Posted by: Webster

I don't have a clear understanding of it but I believe the difference is who has direct control of the department. The strong Chief has appointing authority, the ability to remove for cause and developes appropriate rules and regs for the department. A weak Chief has to defer these duties to the Board of Selectmen.

The General Law governing Fire Chiefs (MGL 48, sec 42) seems a little clearer.

You may be able to get a thorough definition from Pat Rogers or John Sheft. The only other place you might be able to find the matter discussed may be in town meeting records of communities that have dealt with this issue.

Good luck, if I find something I will forward it to you.



Posted by: LenS

Since my first chief was a "strong chief" and our current chief is a "weak chief", I'll give a shot at defining what I know about it from a practical viewpoint. My first chief was a close personal friend, so he was the source of some of this practical info.

Strong Chief:
- Once appointed, in effect the appointment is for life. He has total control of the department and can only be removed for a very short list of egregious acts (e.g. felony convictions, etc.).

Weak Chief:
- Is appointed to a set term of office (per MGL can't be >3 years, but often times if the boss loves him, they ignore the law) and must get his contract renewed on a regular basis to keep the job. Reports to Selectmen or Town/City Manager/Administrator. He can be removed from his position for just about any reason that they can think of (just like in a regular job outside of gov't, aka "employee at will")! Generally it is easy to spot a Weak Chief due to propensity in having a brown nose, frequently seen following 10 steps behind their boss at any public meeting/function. and they are usually "unavailable" as they are always either on the phone with their boss or sitting in their boss' office meeting to discuss every little detail of running the department.

Needless to say, towns/cities really hate having a Strong Chief, as they lose the ability to micro-manage that person and department.



Posted by: SOT

Term limits are set for both at a max of <3 years unless the department covered under the rules as found in chapter 31 (civil service)

I think th e REAL difference is that in one situation if the chief makes a up a department rule, those rules automatically go into effect after 30 days, if no selectmen have input.
In the other instance the rules ONLY go into effect after input from the selectmen.

Now to that end wouldn't a civil service position be a "strong" position and any department that isn't civil service be a weak department...and then falling under that non civil service departments there would be the strong and weak departments?


I would liken this to a "strong" or "weak" mayor / town manager type of situation. One requires approval for every little thing, one can set certain direction of a given department.


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Originally Posted by LenS";p=&quot View Post
Since my first chief was a "strong chief" and our current chief is a "weak chief", I'll give a shot at defining what I know about it from a practical viewpoint. My first chief was a close personal friend, so he was the source of some of this practical info.

Strong Chief:
- Once appointed, in effect the appointment is for life. He has total control of the department and can only be removed for a very short list of egregious acts (e.g. felony convictions, etc.).

Weak Chief:
- Is appointed to a set term of office (per MGL can't be >3 years, but often times if the boss loves him, they ignore the law) and must get his contract renewed on a regular basis to keep the job. Reports to Selectmen or Town/City Manager/Administrator. He can be removed from his position for just about any reason that they can think of (just like in a regular job outside of gov't, aka "employee at will")! Generally it is easy to spot a Weak Chief due to propensity in having a brown nose, frequently seen following 10 steps behind their boss at any public meeting/function. and they are usually "unavailable" as they are always either on the phone with their boss or sitting in their boss' office meeting to discuss every little detail of running the department.

Needless to say, towns/cities really hate having a Strong Chief, as they lose the ability to micro-manage that person and department.




Posted by: LenS

SOT,

That might explain it!

The Strong Chief that we had was Civil Service.

Our current chief was NOT appointed under Civil Service. [Our PD went off CS for a number of years and is now back on it. But CS didn't come back until after the current chief was appointed.]



Posted by: Macop

Being a strong chief does not give the authority to appoint anyone, nor does it give a life long appointment, its is by contract just a weak chief. I know because I worked for a strong chief and the selectboard refused to appoint people he wanted to hire at first, but being the persuasive type he is he made an argument they could refuse. Point is that he could not just appoint us. Second he had a contract and did not have life long appointment.



Posted by: Mitpo62

I think that as long as an elected body is the appointing authority there will never be a true strong chief. If an elected body is involved, heavily, in the appointment process politics shall rule not qualifications or experience.



Posted by: chief801

The only difference between strong and weak chiefs is that the strong chief has control of the departmental operations i.e. scheduling, personnel, facilities, rules, policies, etc. In a weak chief situation, a selectboard can dictate some of those things, if they so choose. The chief is not the appointing authority in either case.

The reality of it is this...regardless of the designation, we are all at the mercy of the board of selectmen. If a board does not get along with a "strong chief", they just wait until the end of the employment contract and say, "Thanks chief, but we have voted not to renew your contract".



Posted by: RPD931

chief801 is right. Regardless of their appointment, they are still at the mercy of the Selectman. There are fewer and fewer towns that have civil circus chiefs.... but either way, their future rides on whether or not the board accepts their performance. The only real difference is the appointing authority of Officers -- but to be honest, currently I don't know of any town that does not have its Officers appointed by selectman.



Posted by: Macop

The appointing authority of officers is not different. The selectboard is the appointing authority. I know because a former strong chief I worked hired a few officers and the selectboard would not appoint them.



Posted by: NPD S3

These are more examples of why Civil Service is important for police officers.

I am by no means saying Civil Service does not have it's flaws, but it is certainly better than a police chief making his decision's based upon his popularity with the Board of Selectman.

Let's have the Chiefs worry about other things than if the Board of Selectmen isn't happy they won't get their contract renewed !

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