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Question about academy.....

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Posted by: Hoss1868

Quick question for everyone.....If I get sponsored to go to the full academy and pay my own way, what advantage will I gain as far as finding a job? As far as getting a job in a municipality in Mass, you need to be on the civil service list. Therefore, the only jobs that having a full time academy would be those jobs listed under Mass employment listings that require a full time academy. The reason I ask all of this is I do not want to end up sponsoring myself to go to the academy and then not get a job out of it. I'm guessing theres still not guarentee of a job because the town that would be sponsoring me would not be offering me a job. Any information you guys can provide, will be much appreciated.


Posted by: jyanis

If you go through on your own dime you are basically saving any hiring PD the cost of sending a recruit to the academy and the overtime to fill the vacated shift (also the equipment/clothing). Some PDs find this desirable as it saves them a ton of money and time. While it does not guarantee you a job, it does make you a first round draft pick if you will. You would still need to pass the PAT and a background as well.


Posted by: Delta784

For a civil service department, there's not much of an advantage because that's not a valid reason to jump someone. For a non-CS municipal department or a campus PD job, it could work very much in your favor.

If you can afford to self-sponsor it can only help you, unless your goal is to go to a department where you have to attend their academy regardless (Boston PD, MSP).


Posted by: 94c

I know of a case about 5 or 6 years ago where the sheriff's department sponsored someone to a full-time MPTC training academy. HRD said that since he was going to a civil service department he had to go to the academy all over again.

So this guy went to 2 academies in a span of about 3 years.


Posted by: Hoss1868

I appreciate the feedback everyone....THANKS!


Posted by: Motor23

If you can get on a CS department on a part time status as a fully trained officer you can transfer to a full time postion. I know a few towns that are not CS that love taking academy trained officers. This saves the departments huge amounts of money.


Posted by: csauce777

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
I know of a case about 5 or 6 years ago where the sheriff's department sponsored someone to a full-time MPTC training academy. HRD said that since he was going to a civil service department he had to go to the academy all over again.

So this guy went to 2 academies in a span of about 3 years.
I'm not calling you a liar, but, do you "know" this to be the case? It makes no sense. How can HRD order you to attend the academy you just attended, simply because you were appointed to a CS department?

Here's a case that I know of personally, and it just finalized two months ago. A UMASS police officer with the full time academy is hired on a Non-CS PD as a full time patrolman. 6 months later he gets a card from a CS department and is subsequently hired, and is immediately placed into field training. No further academy is required (naturally, because he attended the FT academy).

Under your story he should have gone to the academy again right?


Posted by: COto50

I don't believe the sheriff's in this state can sponsor someone for the full time MPTC. The only people that the sheriff's sponsor are their deputies that go to the Reserve Intermittent academy.


Posted by: soxrock75

Quote:
Originally Posted by COto50
I don't believe the sheriff's in this state can sponsor someone for the full time MPTC. The only people that the sheriff's sponsor are their deputies that go to the Reserve Intermittent academy.
Boston PD regularly accepts Middlesex County Deputies into their academy. I believe there are a few in the current class right now.


Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by COto50
I don't believe the sheriff's in this state can sponsor someone for the full time MPTC. The only people that the sheriff's sponsor are their deputies that go to the Reserve Intermittent academy.
I'll bet you a box of donuts it's happened.

Quote:
Originally Posted by csauce777
I'm not calling you a liar, but, do you "know" this to be the case? It makes no sense. How can HRD order you to attend the academy you just attended, simply because you were appointed to a CS department?

Here's a case that I know of personally, and it just finalized two months ago. A UMASS police officer with the full time academy is hired on a Non-CS PD as a full time patrolman. 6 months later he gets a card from a CS department and is subsequently hired, and is immediately placed into field training. No further academy is required (naturally, because he attended the FT academy).

Under your story he should have gone to the academy again right?
He lives, he breaths, he's a cop.

He was a political hack who saw the errors of his ways. He was sponsored to a full-time academy and worked Internal affairs for the Sheriff's Dept for a few years. He then took the civil service exam and was hired.

It might even have been around the time they switched from the Ma. Criminal Justice Training Council to the Ma. Police Training Committee. (don't hold me to that one though). It was definitely longer that 5 but less than 10 years ago.

I know the guy personally and I can get the exact excuse he was given. He just did what the hiring department wanted him to do and HRD went along with it.

HRD didn't make the demand. The department did. HRD just agreed.


Posted by: COto50

It may have happened, but not in awhile. Two years the MPTC tried to avoid certifing sheriff's and college police. Even though we worked for the sheriff's Dept. we had to have a town in our county sponsor to go to in-service.


Posted by: csauce777

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
He lives, he breaths, he's a cop.

He was a political hack who saw the errors of his ways. He was sponsored to a full-time academy and worked Internal affairs for the Sheriff's Dept for a few years. He then took the civil service exam and was hired.

It might even have been around the time they switched from the Ma. Criminal Justice Training Council to the Ma. Police Training Committee. (don't hold me to that one though). It was definitely longer that 5 but less than 10 years ago.

I know the guy personally and I can get the exact excuse he was given. He just did what the hiring department wanted him to do and HRD went along with it.

HRD didn't make the demand. The department did. HRD just agreed.
I see. Like I said, I wasnt calling you out on it...just doesnt make any sense. Why would any department want to pay for the academy when someone recently completed the same one, regardless of the sponsoring department? Well, as long as it wasnt his dime the second time, and he wanted the job bad enough, all's well that ends well.


Posted by: 94c

If he had gone from one Police Dept. to the next he probably would have been all set. His "follow up" activities with the Sheriff's Dept. wasn't seen as police work so the powers that be decided that although he had an academy under his belt, he never performed police duties for several years.

That's the excuse given.




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