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Posted by: Chief Wiggins

I work for a small department approx 30-34 officers at any time. We work a 4 and 2 with straight midnights and a swing shift 2 4pm-12pm then 2 8am-4pm shifts, 48hrs off.

I am looking for departments who have the same schedule as mine as to how they distribute details. Many members do not want to utilize the "hours worked" distribution process or "charging" 8hrs for any detail refusal.

We recently started a detail rotation list, however, officers get bypassed if a detail falls on their 8-4pm shift.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Posted by: pahapoika

not PD and we have 5 and 2 set shift and days , but for what it's worth every officer gets to sign off on a quarterly list of shifts he/she is willing to work O/T. 3 refusals and their sent to the bottom of the list.

Lt/Sgt are allowed to work one rank up/down on the O/T list as well

Posted by: Motor23

We work off a rotation list. Working/Holiday/Vacation/ Personal day/ or already on a double means no rotation.If you refuse you go to the bottom of the list. this works well for my PD, as all officers get a fair shot at working.

Posted by: csauce777

Constant low man principle. Start a detail list or cards by seniority (or other manner) initially. Then as details are taken, the order shifts based on # of details worked. The people with the most details worked naturally rotate to the back of the list. The ones who dont work details always end up remaining on top in the event they do want one. However, if everyone else declines details, you can continue being a detail whore.

Posted by: soup

We have 25 guys. The initial list started by seniority years ago. We are listed on a sheet with three columns. 1. Shifts (To fill Vacation days, sick days etc. 8 hrs. 2. Road jobs (Department + Privately funded. 8 hrs.)
3. 4 hr details (Department + privately funded) The lists work independently of each other. If the officer takes any of these, he receives a checkmark next to his name and is bypassed until future details are offered to the ones without a checkmark and then to the ones with a checkmark. If someone gets two checkmarks it works the same way, first to the ones without, then to the ones with two and then three and so on. The list is re-written on the last night of the pay period with the ones with no check marks grouped together at the top and then the 2's and 3's etc. This works with very few problems. The "list" is called and nobody can be passed over until 4 hrs before the start time (unless special circumstances dictate) If someone is regularly scheduled to work they are not called unless they inform the desk officer that they will be available (maybe they took a vac day or have someone working their shift.) With this system it is possible to get 2 or three checkmarks ON EACH LIST in one pay period. The good thing is, it was all offered to the people without checkmarks first. I hope i explained this well enough. If you need anything clarified e-mail me.

Posted by: Macop

Senority, I think is not a fair way to do it. In my dept details/OT are on one list and when a detai/OT comes in at the last minute it gets paged out, after 30 minutes it will be awared to the Officer that called in that has the least amout of hours among the other Officers who put in for it. If a detail is sceduled, a notice is put up as far in advance as possible. People sign up for the detail and again whoever has the least amount of hours of the Officers who put in for it gets the detail and it locks in 48HRS before the detail/OT shift. It works well, it fair and everyone gets some.

Posted by: soup

I think that the initial list should be from low to high. The low man is probably making less on base pay. It's a good way to make friends with the senior guys too. On my job, the details and overtime can be called as early as possible, but nobody (unless they are regularly scheduled to work) can be bypassed until 4 hours before the start time. So, you stop calling if you get held up. The detail still goes to the guy with the least amount of time in at the time of the calling. It works extremely well. No penalty for refusing, just money for taking. The same guys consistently get 16 - 32 hrs a week at the bottom of the rotation.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by Macop

In my dept details/OT are on one list and when a detai/OT comes in at the last minute it gets paged out, after 30 minutes it will be awared to the Officer that called in that has the least amout of hours among the other Officers who put in for it. If a detail is sceduled, a notice is put up as far in advance as possible. People sign up for the detail and again whoever has the least amount of hours of the Officers who put in for it gets the detail and it locks in 48HRS before the detail/OT shift. It works well, it fair and everyone gets some.

What is your department?

Why do you refuse to reveal this.....are you embarrassed to tell everyone where you work?

http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39157

I heard that AAA Police Supply is having a sale on one-inch wide red pant striping; better get down there before they're sold out!!

Posted by: alphadog1

Macop is a fraud

Posted by: 94c

I pity the boss that has to sign off on his reports.

Posted by: pahapoika

Senority, I think is not a fair way to do it. (spelled seniority, as in senior man )

yah , who needs that s**t ?

who get's the O/T ?

everybody meet at the food court and buck up ?

paper, rock , scissors ?

Posted by: Macop

Naw senority should not dictate details and OT, its not a fair and equatable.

Posted by: mpr4601

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macop

Naw senority should not dictate details and OT, its not a fair and equatable.

Is this guy for real? You must be most leastest on the senority, as you are not equatable.

Posted by: 40th MPOC#309

For details we have a rotating list. You take one-you move to the bottom then migrate to the top as people take them that are ahead of you on the list. Fulltime has own list, Permanent/Intermittents next, then Retired Specials. We use the IMC system for OT. It is based on hours. Court, comp time and OT all get thrown in the mix. The more hours of OT comp or Court you accrue, the lower you are on the list to get called. It is very fair in the distribution of OT, since Detectives and other specialists get plenty of OT/comp/Court.

Posted by: soup

Does the IMC system have something that tracks OT that simply?

Posted by: hupd451

Court and comp time should not be included.....

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macop

Naw senority should not dictate details and OT, its not a fair and equatable.

Is that how it works on your "department"?

Exactly what is your department, Ma"cop"? Why do you refuse to answer that question? What do you have to hide?

http://www.masscops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39157

Posted by: 94c

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macop

Naw senority should not dictate details and OT, its not a fair and equatable.

I just figured out why you don't use spell check.

Your computer would overheat and explode.

Posted by: Macop

Am I for real, are YOU for real. Just because people have less senority doesnt mean they should get screwed on making money. Details and OT should be on a separate list. Also 40thMPOC's dept has a pretty good system. I do agree with HUPD, Court and Comp should not apply, so everyone has a chance to make some money, god forbid they are low on the list and should not be able to pay thier bills.

Posted by: soup

If you are starting a new system, you have to start somewhere. It doesn't matter if you pick the names out of a hat, it doesn't have to be by seniority. EVERYONE rotates through the list from that point on. Everyone has a chance to work equal hours and make a good living. I have not taken any roadwork for at least the past 2 years and I am going to be in the low 80's. (I could make about 25k more, but I prioritize and spend time with my family.)

Posted by: Macop

Good point.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macop

Good point.

Hi Macop! Nice to see you agreeing with my REAL good friend 40thMPOC#309 who works for a REAL Southeast Municipal department. Their REAL fair system is similar to my REAL former department. I'll bet you never thought when you REALLY went to R/I and SSPO, and finally the MPOC, that some "real" experts out here would start stamping their feet like little CHILDREN, because you disagreed with them and won't reveal where you work.

In any event, I feel compelled to point out that when Deltoid and others so vehemently and continually rant against others, this forum de-evolves to pure garbage. Sure, I don't have to read it, and I can go elsewhere and do something else. I just lament the fact that 94c and others can call me a liar and think that's cool. I'm not trying to speak from some high moral horse, but lately I think Masscops is being overtaken by some individuals who need to take a minute to smell the fresh air. YIKES!

Posted by: pahapoika

when you REALLY went to R/I and SSPO, and finally the MPOC,

big deal. i've been through 2 academies and if i wanted to make less money starting as a rookie i'd go through a 3rd.

insulting other members here and not having the guts to at least admit their in law enforcement is weak.

advocating anything but seniority in a civil service job is just stupid.

as we like to say inside , get some time in !

Posted by: Macop

Listen pahapoika, he was not even addressing you, so I am not sure why YOU would take offense, unless you are one of deltoid bitches. And I don't have to admit didley, what is the penalty if I don't, you guessed it, NOTHING. I am glad to offend when ever possible.

As far as your senority statement, its nice to see if someone disagrees with you they are stupid. Were you born a fascist or did you learn it working for the ACLU?

Scotty, well said. But you know, these guys make great entertainment. You can't get shit this good anywhere else, (well the cop hating web sites are a little more fun). I wonder why Delta hasnt asked me his silly question yet. It was suppose to be after every post I made, he has already missed a few, I am actually diappointed.

Oh brucie.........................where are you.................

Posted by: redsox03

Wow, your asking for it. LOL

Posted by: 94c

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

I just lament the fact that 94c and others can call me a liar and think that's cool.

care to refresh my memory?

Posted by: Macop

Yes sir, may I have another.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94c

care to refresh my memory?

"He comes up with bullshit answers to questions he knows nothing about."

"He'll get tenure and then find a way to sue the place or go out injured. Things he hasn't been able to do in the half-dozen PD's he has claimed to work for."

"Guaranteed he's only getting hired because the department needs minorities or he's a she."

Actually it was more Pahahoika than you 94c. However you're alluding to those of us who stated he is a cop, as being LIARS. Thanks dude!

Posted by: 94c

AHHHH, We've gone from calling you a liar to alluding.

It all makes sense now.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94c

It all makes sense now.

Actually it's all so convoluted and full of backpeddling here and in other threads that I might as well just admit it...

You win, yours is much bigger than mine. But you know so much about me anyway it no surprise being I'm Irish.

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