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NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA
INCORPORATED 1871
11250 Waples Mill Road - Fairfax, VA 22030

For Immediate ReleaseFor More Information, Contact: J.R. Robbins (703) 267-1415
NRA Launching Web Site
Devoted To Hunters' Rights
On November 1, NRA is launching a new Web site devoted to hunters' rights. All factors that affect your freedom to hunt, and the future of the sport itself, will be addressed at www.nrahuntersrights.org.
The site will not tell you how to hunt, where to put your tree stand or what the best guns and loads are for your favorite species. Many Web sites and magazines can already tell you all that.
The site will alert you about threats to hunting and NRA's efforts to combat them -- our direct lobbying efforts at every level, our hunter recruitment and instruction programs and our funding of conservation and range improvement projects.
Commenting on the need for this site, Kayne Robinson, Executive Director of General Operations, said, "Hunting is under attack in ways it has never been attacked before. Stifling regulations are overly complex and too often have nothing to do with game management. Anti-hunting groups with well-financed coffers and celebrity spokespersons grab every headline they can get. Nit-picking laws that turn inadvertent mistakes into criminal offenses are becoming common horror stories. Shrinking lands, dwindling numbers of hunters and other factors are combining to threaten the sport more and more."
But whether it's a proposed ban on hunting ammunition, the closure of public hunting lands, or regulations that are actually driving people out of the sport, NRA is at work on every front to ensure your continued right to hunt. The combination of NRA's political strength, hunting programs, grant funding and the sheer size of our hunting membership make us the most formidable defender of hunting there is.
The new site will give credit where it's due, too. If a new range opens in your state, if a season is extended or added, or if a youth mentored hunt is instituted, you'll read about it at www.nrahuntersrights.org. With limited time and resources, hunters need to know about every new opportunity, place to hunt, or new season available.
NRAhuntersrights.org will also provide many opportunities for hunter input and recognition. We'll be open to stories from you on a variety of topics, such as:
Trophy Gallery--Share your hunting photos with others.
Hunt Reports--Had a particularly good or bad experience with an outfitter? Let us know.
Gut Check--Your true stories of survival.
Unsung Heroes--Know someone in your state doing good work for hunters? Let's give that person some recognition.
Regulatory Issues--Is there a hunting law in your state you feel just doesn't make sense?
Guidelines for submitting all such material are available by sending an email to: huntersrights@nrahq.org. Just put "Hunters Rights Guidelines" in the subject line. Your questions and comments on the site are welcome at the same address.
Watch for monthly gift giveaways, too.

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Posted by: SOT

As it is siad in every state, hunting is a privilege

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Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

I was shock to find out a few days ago that hunters who use black powder rifles need no FID or LTC to carry or even to purchase such rifle here in Mass

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Posted by: 94c

shhhhhhhhhhh, be vewy, vewy kwiet.

All we need is the dugs on the stweet to find out about dis.

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Posted by: SOT

Yeah but they can't buy the parts that make them go BOOM without at least an FID.

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Posted by: Inspector71

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Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag I was shock to find out a few days ago that hunters who use black powder rifles need no FID or LTC to carry or even to purchase such rifle here in Mass

That's right Porky! You can order one on the internet and have them shipped to your house from out of state! The reason there exemt from most laws is because no criminal in his right mind is gonna attempt to use a single shot rifle that takes 30 seconds to one minute to reload, and is messy,smoky,cumbersome. (that why they classified as primative firearm)

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Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by SOT Yeah but they can't buy the parts that make them go BOOM without at least an FID.

Am I correct to assume that you're talking about ammunition?

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Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by SOT Yeah but they can't buy the parts that make them go BOOM without at least an FID.

That is true!

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Posted by: SOT

Any portion of the ammunition in fact. They can't even buy the bullets in MA without an FID. Granted there is no possession restriction that I know of.

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Originally Posted by 94c Am I correct to assume that you're talking about ammunition?

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Posted by: resqjyw0

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Originally Posted by SOT Granted there is no possession restriction that I know of.

You are right. There is no restriction on the possession of the pyrodex (or blackpowder), bullets, and primers (or percussion caps). You can buy and possess the muzzleloader without an FID and you can possess everything to make it go boom without an FID. You just need an FID only to purchase the projectile, propellant and w/e you need to ignite the propellant. As I stated recently in another thread (the one where the guy is a security guard and committed 3 felonies and wants to get an FID), it is legal to have someone else that has an FID to buy the stuff for someone that doesn't have an FID. You don't even need a trigger lock for it. You can leave it laying around he house, no trigger lock, out of a locked safe and still be perfectly legal.

But seriously, as Inspector said, who is going to commit a crime with something that is one shot, messy, smoky, extremely cumbersome and takes at least a minute to reload. The only way the guy could reload is if he was just standing there (to do it right). He really couldn't reload on the run. If the guy is talented enough to do so, it would take a lot longer than usual to reload. So the guy is screwed either way. Unless the guy has a new inline muzzleloader, they aren't all that accurate from a distance, accurate enough if your close enough, but still. The jackets for the bullets for the inline muzzleloaders make it a pain in the @$$ to start the bullet down the barrel (unless you are very skillful from experience), not so much with the older, more primitive, blackpowder guns that shoot the balls.

There are 3 reasons that people hunt with muzzleloaders. 1. some people don't have an FID to allow them to gun hunt 2. it is more challenging than hunting with a shotgun or rifle (to a degree, being you only have one shot) 3. it gives them more time to deer hunt having a primitive season where muzzleloaders are permitted (typically referred to as muzzleloader season) after the regular gun season for deer (which also allows the use of muzzleloaders), not to be confused with the primitive season that starts in October and is bow only. There really is no real reason beyond that why someone would use a ML. That is why the laws are lax with MLs. The tradition of hunting with MLs would be close to dead if they weren't.

The new inlines are accurate out to 250+ yds. But if someone is going to shoot someone from that distance, they do it to reduce the chances of being found. Using any type of muzzleloader is going to create a cloud of smoke screaming HERE I AM!!!

Inspector, I agree with everything you said, except who can reload a ML in 30 seconds? That guy would have to have everything already laid out and had to be pretty damn good at it.

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Posted by: SOT

I can easily reolar a muzzle loader in 30 seconds, especially the inline ones.
That being said there are no restrictions on muzzle loading pistols...and I know of at least on LEO here that has taken a black powder pistol off of a felon.
I think the laws are so lax with ML's because the federal laws are so lax with ML, and if someone in MA tried to get crazy on it, it would probably and finally motivate GOAL to get off their ass and do something.

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