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Posted by: fscpd907

Report: More drug use on and nearby campus

By: Matt Byrne

From dormitory dealers to curbside crackheads, violations of drug and alcohol laws have increased on and off campus, according to this year's annual public safety report.

The increased drug use is reflected in triple the number of arrests made on public property near Emerson's campus and an increase in on-campus drug violations, as reported by the college's annual public safety report, which aggregates crime statistics from 2004 through 2006 in Emerson's geographic area. It includes on-campus incidents to which the Emerson College Police Department responded and incidents on public property to which BPD responded.

Disciplinary referrals for both alcohol and drug violations made by ECPD to the Office of Housing and Residence Life and the dean of students increased dramatically.

Alcohol violations rose steadily between 2004 and 2006, peaking at 235 reported cases referred last year. On-campus drug violations that resulted in referrals for disciplinary action rose to 53 instances, up from 40 the previous year. In most of the other categories, on-campus crime declined or remained low.

As defined by the report, the campus extends onto the Common between the Boylston Street T stations, east onto Essex Street, and as far south as the Doubletree and Courtyard Marriott hotels serving as dormitories this year. Students weren't housed in those hotels during the 2006-2007 academic year.

The report also chronicled crime to which the BPD responded on public property close to Emerson's campus, including the Common, Boston's Public Gardens and the Boylston Street T stations. Drug law violations there more than tripled since 2005, totaling 171 offenses, up from 50 the previous year.

Noonan said this statistical leap was made possible by one BPD enforcement program.

The BPD's new permanent task force for patrolling the Common, Operation Common Cure, began in August after increased complaints from residents, said Captain Bernard O'Rourke, commander of the A1 district, which includes Emerson's campus.

"This one [program] here, we set up a safe street team, which is permanent, unlike before, where we targeted it with temporary directed patrols and overtime," O'Rourke said.

He said the 350 drug-related arrests made so far in 2007 on the Common are related mostly to crack cocaine and heroin use or possession.

The two drugs are separated geographically in the enforcement area; most crack cocaine activity was found near the intersection of Boylston and Tremont streets near Emerson's campus, while heroin dealers and users were found mostly in the Winter Street area, near the Park Street T station. Noonan said although Emerson Police have jurisdiction over the area between the Boylston Street T entrances, they would be no match for an armed drug dealer.

"It's not responsible to send unarmed officers to deal with drug dealers," he said.

He said arming the ECPD has been considered, but no action will be taken in the near future to add firearms to ECPD's arsenal.

Aggravated assault nearly tripled on public property, from 15 cases to 55, and gun possession crimes doubled to eight cases over the same period.

Noonan attributed the increased crime rate to the new hire of two dispatchers and a handful of new officers, along with the increased BPD enforcement plan.

But some students, who still often avoid the Common at night, said the situation on America's oldest public park is getting worse.

"It's definitely gotten worse between my freshman and junior year," said senior marketing major Derek Esposito, who lived at 100 Boylston St. his freshmen year and walked through the Common almost daily.

O'Rourke said that although the department now employs a squad of full time officers to target the Common, offenders have moved on to other parts of the city.

"We dealt with this in Chinatown, which is the good news," O'Rourke said. "The bad news is that [the offenders] moved to the Common."

After enforcement was ramped up there, O'Rourke said, some of the same delinquents moved toward Copley Square.

Danny Madden, a junior film major who lives in the Little Building, said police were more visible to him than they used to be.

"They're on bikes and horses out here," he said. "This is the center of Boston. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Sometimes there is sketchy stuff happening in the Common, but I'm so close to home it doesn't really phase me."

Other downtown residents, however, said they've seen the crime first-hand.

One alleged mugging victim, Jim Jonah, 46, lives on Court Street near City Hall. He said he walks through the Common almost every day and has been robbed twice in the last two months. The most recent incident he said occurred at around 11 a.m. on Oct. 5.

"It happened in broad daylight," Jonah said in an interview on the Common. "I was coming out of the Boylston T stop, and a guy confronted me and said he had a weapon, and wanted my money. So I gave it to him."

He said he passed through the Common again on his way home a few hours later and spotted the same man who took his $180 sitting on the retaining wall near the inbound Boylston Street T stop, and called police.

"On the Common, it's getting worse," he said. "All the people who sleep in there at night, some of them are harmless, but some aren't. It's most likely the crack-the desperation of that causes the extra threat."

Posted by: union1

Nothing in this article is new. Drugs have always been out of controll on that campus

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by fscpd907

Report: More drug use on and nearby campus

By: Matt Byrne

The increased drug use is reflected in triple the number of arrests made on public property near Emerson's campus and an increase in on-campus drug violations,
Alcohol violations rose steadily between 2004 and 2006, peaking at 235 reported cases referred last year. On-campus drug violations that resulted in referrals for disciplinary action rose to 53 instances, up from 40 the previous year.

"He said the 350 drug-related arrests made so far in 2007 on the Common are related mostly to crack cocaine and heroin use or possession.

Noonan said although Emerson Police have jurisdiction over the area between the Boylston Street T entrances, they would be no match for an armed drug dealer.

"It's not responsible to send unarmed officers to deal with drug dealers," he said.

Aggravated assault nearly tripled on public property, from 15 cases to 55, and gun possession crimes doubled to eight cases over the same period.

But some students, who still often avoid the Common at night, said the situation on America's oldest public park is getting worse.

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I Honestly can't see any reason for the campus police to be armed. YIKES!

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

Where is Boston PD. Its their juristiction, their park, thier city, =, their problem.The colleges should be looking into a proactive payed narcotic detail from BPD. They have the training, informats and the tools to handle the drug issue. They don't have the money. The college has more than enough money. Pay out for the added protection. Why not. Don't YOU work harder when you know your proformance effects your pocket. Com'on we all do! The more arrests BPD makes on the details, the more shifts they get!

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Where is Boston PD. Its their juristiction, their park, thier city, =, their problem.The colleges should be looking into a proactive payed narcotic detail from BPD. They have the training, informats and the tools to handle the drug issue. They don't have the money. The college has more than enough money. Pay out for the added protection. Why not. Don't YOU work harder when you know your proformance effects your pocket. Com'on we all do! The more arrests BPD makes on the details, the more shifts they get!

Where is this "person" coming from?

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by mpd61

Where is this "person" coming from?

she's one of the original Charlie's Angels.

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

Typical men you don't have an intelligent answer to my remark so you just put me down. I know I'm not to call out the "RESPECTED" members of masscops, but come on i need to defend myself.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Typical men you don't have an intelligent answer to my remark so you just put me down.but come on i need to defend myself.

Where is this "person" coming from?

Boy, you just can't be gender neutral here no matter how hard you try!

And who are you calling "respected"?

Posted by: midwatch

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Typical men you don't have an intelligent answer to my remark so you just put me down. I know I'm not to call out the "RESPECTED" members of masscops, but come on i need to defend myself.

We don't have intelligent answers because your posts are insane. Buy you're kinda hot, so I'll let it pass.

Posted by: ecpd402

Emerson Had drug problems since I began working there in 2001. I left in 2005 and the drugs were still a problem. As for College Displinary action for the students, try none. The Dean of students at Emerson was as liberal as they come. We report drug and drinking violations to him and he did nothing about it. The worst thing a student got was to write a paper on the dangers of drug abuse.

Posted by: union1

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Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Im gonna get someone riled up with this one but I just cant resist. You ask where is Boston? I asked the same question every night I went to work at Emerson. Where was Boston when I and a rookie officer had a large stash of drugs and their owners detained under a bush for 30 mins? Where was Boston when Ralph and I were chasing two thugs through the common that had just pulled a knife on a student? Where was Boston when Tommy and I were wrestling with the dealer right outside our station? Where was Boston?.. it was a question that was asked EVERY day.

Ill tell you why Emerson does not hire a paid Narco Detail (Opinion forthcoming). Because the Emerson powers that be saw/see the usefullness of Boston PD and their performance on everyday issues so they figure why pay for a detail on guys who will show up late if at all, get some schmuck supervisor to sign their card 10 mins after getting to the detail and leaving and so on.

Now, im not picking on ALL Boston officers just MANY that I and former colegues have come into contact with.

Posted by: 94c

I take it Emerson doesn't have arrest powers?

Posted by: j809

Hey Union1, remember your old boss's saying "You're not a police officer, you're a special state police officer".

Posted by: union1

We had our powers but we never had more than two people on the road so we needed to rely on others for backup.

j809.... your right on that one. Kinda made your head spin pondering that one.

Posted by: CRASHPD

[quote=union1]Im gonna get someone riled up with this one but I just cant resist. You ask where is Boston? I asked the same question every night I went to work at Emerson. Where was Boston when I and a rookie officer had a large stash of drugs and their owners detained under a bush for 30 mins? Where was Boston when Ralph and I were chasing two thugs through the common that had just pulled a knife on a student? Where was Boston when Tommy and I were wrestling with the dealer right outside our station? Where was Boston?.. it was a question that was asked EVERY day.

Ill tell you why Emerson does not hire a paid Narco Detail (Opinion forthcoming). Because the Emerson powers that be saw/see the usefullness of Boston PD and their performance on everyday issues so they figure why pay for a detail on guys who will show up late if at all, get some schmuck supervisor to sign their card 10 mins after getting to the detail and leaving and so on.

Rob you are so right on most of what you say. There are many Boston Police Officers I've come into contact with over my years at Emerson and who I'm now working with. I just bleieve we tend to remember the bad more then the good that these guys do, we all know the troubles they have had just maintaining their low Officer Levels. But I believe for the most part that these guys can be counted on. I know Rob we have been let down before and it only takes one time for one of us to get seriously hurt or worse, dead!, while waiting for back up. But if we cant be everywhere all the time then same goes for them as well. and for somebody who as seen the ups & downs the last 7 or so years at Emerson. I can tell you that Drugs will always be a problem there amongst other crimes. And it's because of the urban setting, the homeless shelter and o ya the needle exchange bus that comes every morning on Lagrange St so the junkies can keep doing what their doing. Making the head lines in the Boston Herald every time one of them dies! So that program is working along with their get out of jail free card. So as the beg to arms continues for all colleges who wear their uniforms proudly keep up the good fight and may we all continue to go home to our families safely. Stay Safe Brothers & Sisters!!!!

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

Did it ever occur to you that Boston might have been too busy to respond? Maybe you should have called the State Police. They only have about 5 or 6 barracks located in the city that could have assisted you and guess what, they have full police powers state-wide, including Boston. Just a thought.

Posted by: CRASHPD

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Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Did it ever occur to you that Boston might have been too busy to respond? Maybe you should have called the State Police. They only have about 5 or 6 barracks located in the city that could have assisted you and guess what, they have full police powers state-wide, including Boston. Just a thought.

Hey just a thought!!! Did you read the 3rd paragraph were it says that everybody cant be everwhere at the same time? Just a thought! Why would you have to call the State Police to assist, when most of the time there on the states highways, response time wouldn't be any faster. So State Police have arrest powers State wide, I never new that thank you for the info. Its true what they say you truly can learn something new everyday! You kind of remind me this reponding Boston Police Officer who tried to yell at me when I was assisting a fellow BPD OFFICER when we caught a guy with a loaded 45 in which a struggle for my life and theirs ensude! She had no Idea what transpired and decided to rip me a new A@#hole when all I was doing was given a hand! Needless to say she had nothing but apoligies when I was done stating how I felt along with the BPD guys that were greatfull for the help from a Non-armed campus cop like myself. I guess you might be a true believer in Tombstone Courage!!!! Can do everything buy yourself and never need anyones help! I hope you continue to stay safe for as long as you can.

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

Response time for hot call from State House to Emerson College = less than 2 minutes. I'm not yelling at you like the female Boston cop did. I'm just urging you to think outside the box. Use your noggin homeboy.

Posted by: 94c

I think she wants you to HOLLA BACK, homeboy.

Posted by: union1

Actualy after seeing the consistency of Boston I started calling the MBTA. Thankfully they showed professinalism EVERY time we called them.

"Emerson- Hey Boston, we got a guy with one of your warrants in the station, if you want him come pick him up.

Boston - We'll send a cruiser

Boston on arrival - Were going to transport him, you need to send two officers to do the report and booking

Emerson - No, you dont understand, its your warrant, we were holding him for you"

Boston - Well I dont want him

Emerson - you dont want him, hes got a warrant from your department, as a matter of fact, your station!

Boston - Well hes got your cuffs on him, you come and do the paperwork

Emerson - What the F&^%

Emerson- hey suspect, stand up

Boston - What are you doing?

Emerson - Im letting him go

Boston - You cant do that

Emerson - Watch me

Emerson - Suspect, stand up and turn around. its your lucky day

Suspect - Thanks! "Suspect leaves station infront of Boston"

Boston - "Leaves""

OR lets examine the next one

Emerson to new suspect - Your under arrest

"Boston officer rolls up asking whats going on"

Emerson- We are arresing this guy

Boston - Well we arent going to transport him

Emerson - We didnt ask you to transport, we can do it ourselves

"Boston proceeds to argue with my partner about the arrest"

My partner - Well fine, were going to book at the T

Boston - you cant do that!

Emerson - See ya!!

Again, not all Boston offcers are A$$holes but, MANY of the ones we came into contact with were just completely useless.

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Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Posted by: 94c

This may sound like a stupid question but, If you lock up a guy on a warrant, why can't you book him?

I have never heard of that in my life?

You make an arrest and call for someone to come do the work for you?

Posted by: DJM1968

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Response time for hot call from State House to Emerson College = less than 2 minutes. I'm not yelling at you like the female Boston cop did. I'm just urging you to think outside the box. Use your noggin homeboy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94c

This may sound like a stupid question but, If you lock up a guy on a warrant, why can't you book him?

I have never heard of that in my life?

You make an arrest and call for someone to come do the work for you?

I'm not sure which part of the MGL union1 operates under, but Boston Specials have to contact Boston for transport, then report to the station to do the 1.1 (for me, that's Rule 400a, Section 14B).

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by DJM1968

That might be so, if there's an incident by the Monument or by the Mall, or even by the Fountain; but I don't think the troopers up by the State House are going to clear their post to respond to a call all the way down by Emerson.

I'm not sure which part of the MGL union1 operates under, but Boston Specials have to contact Boston for transport, then report to the station to do the 1.1 (for me, that's Rule 400a, Section 14B).

I don't think he's a special. He works at a campus with police powers.

Posted by: HELPMe

Emerson College uses SSPO's. Not Boston Special powers. Atleast thats last I heard. Also arent the troopers at the state house part of the Govenor's Protection detail? I cant see them clearing from their post short of a officer down call.

Posted by: union1

Emerson uses/ed SSPO.

Posted by: ecpd402

Quote:

Originally Posted by union1

Actualy after seeing the consistency of Boston I started calling the MBTA. Thankfully they showed professinalism EVERY time we called them.

"Emerson- Hey Boston, we got a guy with one of your warrants in the station, if you want him come pick him up.

Boston - We'll send a cruiser

Boston on arrival - Were going to transport him, you need to send two officers to do the report and booking

Emerson - No, you dont understand, its your warrant, we were holding him for you"

Boston - Well I dont want him

Emerson - you dont want him, hes got a warrant from your department, as a matter of fact, your station!

Boston - Well hes got your cuffs on him, you come and do the paperwork

Emerson - What the F&^%

Emerson- hey suspect, stand up

Boston - What are you doing?

Emerson - Im letting him go

Boston - You cant do that

Emerson - Watch me

Emerson - Suspect, stand up and turn around. its your lucky day

Suspect - Thanks! "Suspect leaves station infront of Boston"

Boston - "Leaves""

OR lets examine the next one

Emerson to new suspect - Your under arrest

"Boston officer rolls up asking whats going on"

Emerson- We are arresing this guy

Boston - Well we arent going to transport him

Emerson - We didnt ask you to transport, we can do it ourselves

"Boston proceeds to argue with my partner about the arrest"

My partner - Well fine, were going to book at the T

Boston - you cant do that!

Emerson - See ya!!

Again, not all Boston offcers are A$$holes but, MANY of the ones we came into contact with were just completely useless.

I remember that day clearly. since we showed them. The MBTA was always are back up. As for the State Police They responded to help us on the old west campus. They also had their hand filled with storrow drive so they would recommend to us that we call boston

Posted by: Channy1984

Quote:

Originally Posted by HELPMe

Emerson College uses SSPO's. Not Boston Special powers. Atleast thats last I heard. Also arent the troopers at the state house part of the Govenor's Protection detail? I cant see them clearing from their post short of a officer down call.

I think they are supposed to stay posted at the state house. They're doing what used to be the old MA Capitol Police gig. If State was to get involved the response would probably come from those not posted there.

Posted by: Mikey682

www.mass.gov/msp has a detailed description of the responsibilities of each field services barracks. The state house is not the "Governors Protection Detail." It's a patrol barracks responsible for what used to be the Capitol Police's area, as well as other local areas.

Does Emerson not have a room or area where they can chain the guy to the wall while they do thier booking process, then drive the prisoner either to court or the nearest jail? Sure is simpler than driving the prisoner to another agencies' office with unfamiliar computer systems and practices.

Posted by: ecpd402

No booking area at emerson. He would be brought to the public safety office and we would run his BOP as well as a Q-5. The suspect would be transport to BPD or the MBTA via the mini van and booked at the PD station.

Posted by: union1

Booking at the MBTA also was ALOT more reasonable n time since we didnt have to write up that silly 1.1 form. It never made any sence to have to write that out since we werent Boston specials nor affiliated with them. MBTA, you booked then sianara! They even provided BLANKETS!! (inside joke)

Anyone working in Boston, for your safety call the T.

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Originally Posted by ecpd402

No booking area at emerson. He would be brought to the public safety office and we would run his BOP as well as a Q-5. The suspect would be transport to BPD or the MBTA via the mini van and booked at the PD station.

Posted by: CRASHPD

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Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

It sometimes hurts to think outside the box especially when it so much safer inside one!!!

I knew of the State Police detail that is posted up there, but I truly believe he wouldn't be able to respond especially when they are there apart of the Govoner's protection team! I just hate seeing all of the slamming going on between departments. Every one of them has black sheeps, golden boys, lazy F#ck's, and hard working diffirence makers. It's unfortunate that we just all cant be a little more courteous to one another. I have to stop writing I just ran out of kleenex!!! Can't we just all get along??? On a different note I just safe 15% by switching my car insurance to Geko!!!! Like Seacrest Ralphie is out!!!

Posted by: 94c

MassCops is always such great entertainment after a hard day's work.

Here you have "cops" without guns or a booking area calling Boston PD useless.

Any Boston guys out there?

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

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Originally Posted by 94c

Ditto!!!

I worked at Bunker Hill College and the last department I would call is Boston. Its the only department I know who hate when other police departments arrest people HUMMMM Police=Criminals=Arrests thats what I thought we did in my Police 101 class.

MSP were always helpful jailing our arrests. However, I would never dump an arrest off on another department LOL are you kidding me first off thats not me second the trooper at the desk answering call after call would pull out his Sig and double tap me once in the head and the other in the back before I could even reach the door if I passed off an arrest LOL. PS he would be justified too!!

My questions to Union is, and I am not busting balls and feel your pain with Boston but you ran this guy, he came back with a warrant, why did you even run him when you were not going to do anything with him?? Second why did'nt you bring him to the MSP and book him there?? Once you know the system (when its working) its nice and quick.

A few months ago two officers in my department arrest a jackass on a straight warrant for 94c violations issued from Brockton PD. The two officers transported the shithead to Brockton PD Station. The officers made the reports out they needed and were ready to leave when some greenleaf behind the desk says hey Massasoit we are not watching your prisoner. Hey Asshole the warrant is from your department from Detective Friendly the paper work is filed and the report attached. Talk to Detective Friendly about it. They left, not before leaving a nice smelly fart for the rookie!!!

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

A few months ago two officers in my department arrest a jackass on a straight warrant for 94c violations issued from Brockton PD. The two officers transported the shithead to Brockton PD Station. The officers made the reports out they needed and were ready to leave when some greenleaf behind the desk says hey Massasoit we are not watching your prisoner. Hey Asshole the warrant is from your department from Detective Friendly the paper work is filed and the report attached. Talk to Detective Friendly about it. They left, not before leaving a nice smelly fart for the rookie!!!

Chris! OH MY GOD!!!! Did the guys clear the transport with Chief Akeke? Wait until Attorney Charlie Brown finds out! Remember You guys aren't real police. You have no jurisdiction "off campus" YIKES LMFAO

P.s. I heard Ann wants to go to K9 school

Posted by: j809

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P.s. I heard Ann wants to go to K9 school[/quote]
Why,so the dog can find her stash when she loses it?

Posted by: union1

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Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

My questions to Union is, and I am not busting balls and feel your pain with Boston but you ran this guy, he came back with a warrant, why did you even run him when you were not going to do anything with him?? Second why did'nt you bring him to the MSP and book him there?? Once you know the system (when its working) its nice and quick.

If my memory serves me it was a Ch 90 warrant but it was a long time ago. As a departmental rule, we did not take on Ch90 because the Legislature obviously didnt want us enforcing it so why serve a warrant on it. I do agree with that line of thinking. As far as booking there, Emerson I guess used to book there years before me but some horror stories occured and our supervisors didnt want to go back at any cost.

As far as 94c's comment about an unarmed dept without a booking area calling Boston useless.... I never said we were usefull!

Posted by: csauce777

Quote:

Originally Posted by union1

Booking at the MBTA also was ALOT more reasonable n time since we didnt have to write up that silly 1.1 form. It never made any sence to have to write that out since we werent Boston specials nor affiliated with them. MBTA, you booked then sianara! They even provided BLANKETS!! (inside joke)

Anyone working in Boston, for your safety call the T.

Rob,

I remember those days of doing those lame 1.1's down at A-1. Lt. Chin strolling back to check on things...I dont miss those days at all. What was better was calling for the wagon to transport an arrest only to have Lt. Chin call back and say they're too busy. Then we'd say, ok, we can transport ourselves. After a period of silence, we'd get "fine, bring two officers." It was always much better when we could call Kevin aka "Robocop" from BPD. He would swing by and request the transport for us. We'd be down, booked, and back in like 45 minutes.

Posted by: union1

well, now three different agencies confirming... 94c, wanna say were all full of it now?

Posted by: 94c

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Originally Posted by union1

well, now three different agencies confirming... 94c, wanna say were all full of it now?

Not saying you're full of it. Just saying if you want to be a cop then do your own police work. Not arresting on a Chapter 90 warrant because you don't do Chapter 90?
C'mon.

No place to book a prisoner?

Did you ever think that BPD is probably just saying screw you guys? They probably have more to do than to babysit you guys.

I know it's not your fault. But you guys are not even a police department.

Even Stop & Shop books their own arrests.

And what's this crap of "It's not my warrant, it's your warrant"

Your lucky Boston still shows up. I know of departments that would ignore you all together after a stunt like that.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

P.s. I heard Ann wants to go to K9 school[/quote]
Why,so the dog can find her stash when she loses it?

BAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA!

You have no jurisdiction "off campus" YIKES LMFAO

It was a passer by on our property but thank you for the reminder. "You can not respond to Brockton's calls even if they call you for assistence" Hey Scratchy how about a big NOT!!!!! and GFY.

Posted by: midwatch

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Originally Posted by Irish Wampanoag

I'm not busting your balls because I know we all have tough jobs regardless of responsibilities, so I try not to discriminate based on organization.

That being said, I don't quite understand the "it's your warrant" angle. Just because an agency issues the warrant doesn't mean that they are forever responsible for him. Also, I wouldn't want responsibility for your arrest either. I'm pretty sure that I was taught that once you grab someone you essentially own him. Holding prisoners presents a liability issue and I can understand another organizations resistance to taking possession of your prisoner.

Hypothetically speaking, what would you have done if Brockton refused to accept your prisoner or even allow you into the building?

Posted by: j809

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Originally Posted by midwatch

Hypothetically speaking, what would you have done if Brockton refused to accept your prisoner or even allow you into the building?

Well first off the officer at BPD has no idea that MCCPD has an agreement with them. When I worked there and we had a guy with warrants and no bail I would NEVER drop them off at BPD. Plymouth County Sheriff has a lockup that would take all prisoners and they would transport them to the approriate courts. MAde trips there numerous times and everyone was happy.

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Hypothetically speaking, what would you have done if Brockton refused to accept your prisoner or even allow you into the building?[/quote]

Look under MGL ch40 sec 37 "Thats why they will accept our prisoner" enough said!

Under MGL 276 sec 23A its my warrant!, However when it is issued through the department its their warrant and prisoner!

And yes they dropped off many jackasses before my time here at Massasoit. "Old sparky" the chair just doesnt cut it brother!!!

Posted by: CRASHPD

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Originally Posted by 94c

You know I am sick of hearing people like yourself saying, "Your not even a real police department". So as not to infringe upon your 1st amendment right which is showing your a complete jackass!!!. Please come down to our campus and see the shit was have to deal with on a daily basis! Better yet come on done on a Friday or Saturday night and deal with the shit we deal with, especially when Emerson ownes the leases to the Gypsy Bar and Liqour Store clubs, amongst the drug dealears and prostitutes who swamp our campus. While you are here you can see our station, police cruisers and our uniforms, I know that Holloween is around the corner but I assure you come Novemeber 1st, I'll still be wearing my Police Bage, Duty gear and all the other cool stuff they let us play with, it's wicked awsome!!! Where do you work? Are you just a pissed off I didn't make it any-wear? Its obvioulsy you didn't read in between the lines. Now I've worked with Rob for almost 5 years and it was just his way of F@#king back with Boston after he had been F#@ked with more then he has fingers and toes! SO as I continue working at Emerson I'll continue to count my blessings evertime Boston gives me hand. For the record, there are many BPD Guys/Woman I've gotten to know over the years and they all kick ass!!! But like I've already said every department has there loosers who think there better then everyone in this world! Stay safe everbody!!!! LOL Stop and Shop!!! Books their owne arrest, please, now I know were you work!!!, I bet you transport them too!!! I think you meant pre-book!!!!

Posted by: csauce777

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Originally Posted by 94c

Even Stop & Shop books their own arrests.

FYI...no they dont.

Stop & Shop is one of the few companies with stores in Boston that doesnt authorize its employees to become "specials." Some of the Boston stores hire BPD details officers, and when there is no detail officer, loss prevention calls BPD if they want someone hooked up. When they arrive, they generally arrest. However, it is up to the officer. BPD books them and holds them like any other arrest. It's not the same as Specials who go to the station and book and do paperwork.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRASHPD

You know I am sick of hearing people like yourself saying, "Your not even a real police department".

CRASH...ignore him. I spent 5 years in the "zone" dealing with the same shitbags you guys do. We know what goes on in your neighborhood. You dont have to justify yourself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by j809

Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone transports to Brockton for a warrant. Massasoit should be able to photo and print someone, or even call BCI for a "mug and print" and then Massasoit can transport to PCCF for a safekeep. Brockton shouldnt have to hold them.

Posted by: 94c

I do recall saying "it's not your fault". I wasn't attacking any individual just the manner the department is run.

I apologize if it came across as a personal attack.

It sounds like there is a serious jurisdictional problem going on up there.

How else can you explain one Police Department getting screwed over by another Police Department.

You hear about it sometimes between State, Locals, and Deputies. Again it boils down to questions of jurisdiction.

Outside of an Officer in trouble or in specialty assignments like SRT, Crime Scene Services, etc. There should be no overlapping of anything between two departments.

Posted by: CRASHPD

Csauce777, thanks for the support!!!

94c, Apology accepted. I just sometimes take it personally when I read stuff like that. The area around emerson can suck at times, but I do love the job and the people i get to interact with on a daily basis.

I hope you all stay safe out there and me we clinch the World Series tonight and may the Pats stay undefeated. Go Boston Colloge see you in the National Champion-ship!!!!

Posted by: union1

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRASHPD

Its obvioulsy you didn't read in between the lines. Now I've worked with Rob for almost 5 years and it was just his way of F@#king back with Boston after he had been F#@ked with more then he has fingers and toes! SO as I continue working at Emerson I'll continue to count my blessings evertime Boston gives me hand.

7 yrs Dick..

. But I do miss the place as $hitty as it is/was.

Posted by: CRASHPD

7 years, dam was it that long dude? I'm only a dick because I worked with one for that long, no pun intended.

Call Eric if you miss it that much they seem to be having opening every other day!!!

I dont think you have the balls to come back and be under my supervision, better yet don't come back you will get me in trouble!!!!!

Posted by: union1

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRASHPD

7 years, dam was it that long dude? I'm only a dick because I worked with one for that long, no pun intended.

Call Eric if you miss it that much they seem to be having opening every other day!!!

I dont think you have the balls to come back and be under my supervision, better yet don't come back you will get me in trouble!!!!!

Maybe when you guys get armed

Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Chic is NOT wrong, but that doesn't mean Emerson shouldn't be armed. I cannot stress enough, a former Asst. Dir. of Public Safety (back in the days when they actually trusted Campus Cops to run the place instead of retirees) had total support of the faculty, staff and students to arm. The Director of Public Safety at the time was a bit of a tool who so irked the President of the College on other matters, the whole issue was deep 6'd. Pretty sad. If the current Director has any concern for his people, he will use this story to arm them once and for all. But again, Chic makes a valid argument, give her a break, eh?

Posted by: Macop

Its time to use some common scence and arm these guys!

Posted by: rg1283

Emerson is in the former combat zone area. Which from the looks of it still has some serious crime problems, all though not as obvious. Emerson owns almost blocks of buildings, in one of the less obvious shitty areas of the city (But still shitty, shootings do happen in that area). This coming from me an outsider who was visiting the Emerson campus. Emerson PD do maintain good visability. They should be armed period. Emerson and Suffolk University PD are the 2 PDs in Boston that really need to be armed ASAP. But political BS will prevent that. Pretty much any department that has Police Powers should be armed. I recently took a trip to California, every PD is armed, even some mall security officers are armed.

Posted by: HELPMe

I walk through that area almost every week. I cant go a day without smelling pot in the common or seeing bums fight over spare change or gang bangers hitting on college girls as they try to make it to class. Emerson needs to be armed. Those guys get my deep respect.

Posted by: union1

Im going to go out on a limb here. Under certain direction yes Emerson should be armed. Im just not so sure under the direction they have they need to be or even should be. Before anyone goes bashing me, im disregarding the statement "if your in a police uniform" because obviously the admin dont give a rats A$$ about that. Unless something has changed, its frowned upon by most of the heirarchy to do any police type work. When your job consists of only requiring you to "lock a door and unlock a door" and taking the occasional report that says it all about your expectations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HELPMe

I walk through that area almost every week. I cant go a day without smelling pot in the common or seeing bums fight over spare change or gang bangers hitting on college girls as they try to make it to class. Emerson needs to be armed. Those guys get my deep respect.

Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:

Originally Posted by rg1283

I recently took a trip to California, every PD is armed, even some mall security officers are armed.

Sadly, that isn't really true. We recently found out that SF Community College isn't and that's a top notch department in an extremely liberal, yet dangerous city. (Extremely liberal AND dangerous. I guess that's redundant) plus most of the private colleges have no police, or Peace Officer authority and don't carry, but they look good and seem to work towards real professionalism.

I check out A LOT of college websites. I have lots of time on my hands.

But rg, you make a great point in your post and I agree. Had the previous chief made ANY real attempts to arm his people, I have a strong feeling they would be, but as I've said, one of his first days on the job, he stated quite clearly, "No guns, no sheriff's powers." Had one of the current lieutenants gotten the chief's job this go around, I'm sure there would be an actual effort to correct this grievous error.

Just theory on my part of course.

Posted by: ecpd402

[quote=union1]7 yrs Dick..

. But I do miss the place as $hitty as it is/was.[/quote

As for me I miss the officers not the job. The old 2nd shift officers. And to quote a great officer "Fifty dollars is far too much sir." Inside joke. Personally I would love to work for Sgt Raaaaaaaaalph

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

What about tasers? Don't we want to progress in society, not go backwards?

Posted by: andy0921

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macop

Its time to use some common scence and arm these guys!

Roger on common scence.

Posted by: 94c

why wood you expict hem too put a sintence togethir withoot spilling misteaks?

Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:

Look under MGL ch40 sec 37 "Thats why they will accept our prisoner" enough said!

Under MGL 276 sec 23A its my warrant!, However when it is issued through the department its their warrant and prisoner!

PART I. ADMINISTRATION OF THE GOVERNMENT

TITLE VII. CITIES, TOWNS AND DISTRICTS

CHAPTER 40. POWERS AND DUTIES OF CITIES AND TOWNS

LOCKUP

Chapter 40: Section 37. Accessibility of lockup to police; penalty for refusing access

Section 37. Such lockups shall at all reasonable hours be accessible to the state police, sheriffs, constables and police officers for any legal and proper use; and a keeper thereof neglecting to keep it so accessible, or refusing to said officers the use of the same, shall be punished by a fine of not less than five nor more than twenty dollars.

Sorry, but Emerson SHOULD have simply transported the guy. I recall the days when if you locked someone up on a warrant from that department, you got to take a ride and always hoped it was some far off department that WANTED him. Nowadays, the agency finding the warrant is responsible for the arrest and confinement until the next court session. When in Boston, it's just a nice thing that if it's a Boston Warrant, you are dumping the clown on the same agency. But it's still the responsibility of the arresting agency.

But that's not to say that the BPD are an awesome bunch who are always in the right. We've ALL got horror stories, but overall, especially in more recent history, so many of them were on our side of the street, it's a little easier in dealing with them.

First and foremost however, as we all know, it's an individual thing. There are loads of turds and loads of terrific people, it's just sad how often we get the turds...and I'm one very lazy S.O.B. so, I can almost always forgive a lazy cop, but fer krissakes, do your damn job to SOME degree.

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

I'm just saying if they don't want them armed, then give them tasers for some form of protection.

Posted by: CRASHPD

You go girl! Exactly, The more tools the better when it comes to options one might need when it come's to safety!!!!

To everybody, enjoy the holiday Season! Bah-humbug!!!

Peace out, Like Seacrest Ralphie's out!

Posted by: Kilvinsky

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

I'm just saying if they don't want them armed, then give them tasers for some form of protection.

I can almost hear the opinion of the college liberals, "What a ghastly thought! We allow them to have some mace (they don't know it's out of style) and maybe one of those horrible clubs, guns are very bad, but tasers are just so inhuman. Absolutely not, never."

Then a hostage situation or active shooter event happens and the admin will start screaming for guns because when the Emerson cops arrived on scene, they stood outside for the 3 minutes awaiting Boston, doing 'nothing'.

DON'T TAZE ME BRO! hee hee hee. I nominate it for funniest quote of the year.

Crash is right, HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON!
(specific holidays will be mentioned later.)

Posted by: mpd61

What the MPTC needs to require now is 80 hours of practice in the dark.
We all need to be able to pull without looking at, and transition back and forth between; Firearms, baton, pepper, taser, cuffs, sneezing powder, surefire, etc. The more sh*t we put on that duty belt makes it easier to get hung up on the doorhandles!

Posted by: annadad71

Sorry I almost missed this one! I have a question for chicwithabadge, are you a police officer? As far as Emerson goes I understand the frustration because I was a Boston Special for about 5 years and I know how much they "love cooperation with others". I am also a State special and in the past having talked with the guys over at North Eastern they transport to D-4 or atleast used to and never used the Sate Police for anything that I was aware of, (I work as a Deputy p/t and one of my partners is retired from there thats how I get my info). As far as stating "State Police have authority through out the state", they really don't but for some reason it is never challenged. M.G.L. chapter 22C/12 states clearly as far as traffic enforcement and arrest of misdemeanors they only have jurisdiction on state property or roads adjacent to such. So if you are on a dead end road in Halifax and there are no State buildings or roadways adjacent to such street........ I think if arrested by a State trooper for a misdemeanor or civilly cited under M.G.L. 90 you could beat it in court.

Posted by: Kilvinsky

Wow, I wonder if the Colonel knows this? I also wonder if, strictly interpreted how that might effect all us SSPOs.

I'm sure there's another statute concerning a State Constabulary or some such thing, but you raise a VERY interesting question.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by annadad71

I am also a State special and in the past having talked with the guys over at North Eastern they .

Therein lies the problem;

1. You are First and Foremost, a Police Officer under CH73/s18 and CH15A/s22.
2. You and I know you don't need to be a "state special" to perform your current duties.
3. Your talking with the folks at Northeastern is not always going to be relevant to your jurisdictional issues since they are a private school.
You've had these conversations before. You brought them up to Trooper Pimental also, and we know how that turned out.

As long as the School and our "brothers" at AFSCME keep renewing SSPO warrants then the BS will continue. You could have had two brother cops back at work a long time ago. Instead everybody sits back and watches as the school uses the State Police as a mechanism to terminate them. When did you say it was, in April?

Between the above mentioned Statutory Police Authority and CH90c/s1,
you can tell the MSP to mind their own CH22C business.

Posted by: annadad71

Hey kiddo! Good to hear you chime in as I had a feeling you might (just Kidding who loves ya more than me?). I agree that we are sworn under 73/18 and are written into Chapter 90 now but here in lies the catch. Under 73/18 we can control movement and parking of vehicles on Campus and set reasonable fines thereof. And in the new wording under Chapter 90 we can most certainly obtain ticket books through the registry and issue citations for violations which are committed, however......... Both are silent as to how this gets done. What do I mean you say? Well, the old Blue lights thingy again. Under Chapter 90/7E it clearly states Municipal Police amongst other specifically mentioned professionals can use them, but for campus police it clearly states "campus police officers sworn under 22C/63." This Chapter does not state a campus police Officer can use blue lights in any other way than being licensed under22C/63. Now if we ignore this rule then we are now failing to obey the laws we fought so hard to be able to enforce. So....with out being sworn/licensed under M.G.L. 22/63 we can not use the blue lights, (due to no other independent statutory authority) to make stops and thus we are pretty much useless here at a commuter college with an all time high enrollment of around 10,000 people. I know we could "flag cars over but I don't think that is really the safest thing to do here where people don't pay attention to what they are doing anyhow....LOL~! 73/18 says "yes you are police" and thus the Chapter 90 bill says "yes you can write them"! But only 90/7E says "yes you can light em up"! Not to mention what if you have to get to an expedited 911 Emegency? So 73/18, the new Chapter 90 wording and 22/63 work in a symbiotic relationship. Remember, nothing is implied for us look at the Mullens case, although he stoped the subject outside his jurisdiction for a civil infraction, the S.S.C. was more focused on whether we could enforce a chapter 90 violation and stated , We do not have the independent statutory authority to enforce chapter 90 civil offences. The day before this ruling came down I bet no one saw this coming. You stated you knew a campus cop form (Framingham I believe) who arrested a Drunk Driver and it got tossed because at the time he did not posses a ticket to process with the arrest Even though the Statute states "same power as police officers on through out the property". (O.U.I. is criminal)!!! If it can't be backed with state law, such as 90/7E it will probably go South in court.... God Bless Brother hit me up when you can! Later

Posted by: union1

Quote:

Originally Posted by annadad71

they really don't but for some reason it is never challenged. M.G.L. chapter 22C/12 states clearly as far as traffic enforcement and arrest of misdemeanors they only have jurisdiction on state property or roads adjacent to such. So if you are on a dead end road in Halifax and there are no State buildings or roadways adjacent to such street........ I think if arrested by a State trooper for a misdemeanor or civilly cited under M.G.L. 90 you could beat it in court.

wow... I cant say much else.

Posted by: Kilvinsky

Holy Frijole! I hope to God no smart lawyers read this thread, we're all screwed, private school guys, public school guys AND TROOPERS!

really this is some deep shit here. My head is swimming in a pool of legalities and interwoven laws and detached statutes, sections and...whatever. Somebody call a legislator you can trust and see if ANY of this can be straightened out.

annadad, damn FINE job on your part.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by annadad71

Under Chapter 90/7E it clearly states Municipal Police amongst other specifically mentioned professionals can use them, but for campus police it clearly states "campus police officers sworn under 22C/63." This Chapter does not state a campus police Officer can use blue lights in any other way than being licensed under22C/63.

No, Please... Stop, take a breath and relax. You are clearly reading way too much of your own interpretation into this. You're even misquoting;

MOTOR VEHICLES

Chapter 90: Section 7E. Display of red or blue lights on vehicles; permits; revocation; violations

Section 7E. provided, however, that nothing in this section shall prohibit an official police vehicle from displaying a flashing, rotating or oscillating red light in the opposite direction in which the vehicle is proceeding or prohibit fire apparatus from displaying a flashing, rotating or oscillating blue light in the opposite direction in which the vehicle is proceeding.
As an appointed Police Officer, driving a marked police vehicle(Official) with official commonwealth plates, I would say this applies directly to you.

A(i) a vehicle used solely for official business by any police department of the commonwealth or its political subdivisions
[or college or university police department whose officers are appointed as special state police officers by the colonel of state police pursuant to section sixty-three of chapter twenty-two C]
As a state employee of a political subdivisionof the commonwealth (BHE) appointed under CH73/s18 and CH15A22, you are authorized under this section to use blue lights. The very next sentence in red emphasis on "or", logically was written for private schools who need to operate as SSPO's for their police authority. Your quoting "campus police sworn under" isn't even accurate wording seen anywhere in 90/7e.

Look, I don't see EPO's and VA cops mentioned either. They use blue lights and haven't lost cases based on bad stops, or running through traffic anywhere in the commonwealth. Funny I didn't see sheriffs either. Did I miss it? I implore you to stop worrying about inconsequential details and encourage you to get out there and be a cop. You can do it dude! I've seen you many times.

Posted by: annadad71

Well Woody I am sorry to tell you but I think you are wrong on this one. " A vehicle used solely for official business by any police department of the Commonwealth or its political subdivisions" would mean the State Police and Environmental Police. And "political subdivisions" would be towns and counties. That is why you did not see E.P.O's because it speaks to them in whole with the "police department of the Commonwealth". As far as the V.A. police go they would not need to be covered in this statute because they are Federal (you should know that,as you are one now) and the laws governing them are under fedeal guidelines.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by annadad71

Well Woody I am sorry to tell you but I think you are wrong on this one. " A vehicle used solely for official business by any police department of the Commonwealth or its political subdivisions" would mean the State Police and Environmental Police. And "political subdivisions" would be towns and counties. That is why you did not see E.P.O's because it speaks to them in whole with the "police department of the Commonwealth". As far as the V.A. police go they would not need to be covered in this statute because they are Federal (you should know that,as you are one now) and the laws governing them are under fedeal guidelines.

1. Political subdivision as defined in 950 CMR 32:00 : "any department, office, commission, committee, council, board, divison, bureau, or other agency within the Executive Branch of the Commonwealth...it shall not include the legislature or judiciary."
Now as an employee of the Board of Higher Education, appointed as a Police Officer by the Board of Trustees, you are a certainly an agent of a political subdivision of this commonwealth.

2. The V.A. Police are arresting and prosecuting in Brockton District Court for state laws under concurrent jurisdiction since 1976. They are not operating blue lights under any specific Federal Laws. Trust me. They operate different colors in different states, to comply with state practices.

In any event, objective discussion is a positive aspect of these forums and an excellent way to share information. I learn from many people and accept different views, opinions, and facts presented. In this particular instance, we seem to disagree. You're an intelligent guy, nobody can take that away from you. I sometimes think you might be happier going to law school, than being a cop though...Peace!

Posted by: sgt128-13

That would just be too funny if it were to be exploited or tested and found to be true...

State college PD's can have Ch 90 cites but can't have blue lights to stop cars.

Private college PD's can have blue lights, but can't have Ch 90's powers or stop cars.

Yep, makes sense... we're in Massachusetts alright!

Like I've always said, one encompassing law defining police officers in this state is overdue.

Posted by: Kilvinsky

I'm so impressed with both mpd61 and annadad that I'm about to shit myself. Both of you guys are very impressive in your ability to look up and deconstruct the laws of the Commonwealth. I can see the right and wrong in everything you're both saying. But, I am NOT going to specify-I don't feel qualified nor do I have the energy to do the homework in order to properly wade into this one. I am fully enjoying the back and forth/give and take however. Keep it up guys, this is wonderful.

And sgt128, I understand that another old Wampanoag translation of Massachusetts loosely means, Catch 22. I read the book years ago and believe there was a veiled reference to our Commonwealth in there somewhere.

Posted by: mpd61

Jim!
Thanks for your candid remarks. Sometimes we need to cut to the bottom line. The facts presented in the strict language of the law seem undisputable. Of course they are subject to interpretation. (opinions) I think that annadad needs to continue to act as a police officer, put on his blue lights, and when and if any of his actions make for case law...Great! Then we'll have an answer.

His agency is a political subdivision of the commonwealth though. Can't concede to that point

Posted by: Inspector71

Holy theoretical slugfest!!!

Annadad71, you raised some good points in your arguements. I especially liked your examples for the explanation of your conclusions. people here blow smoke and get emotional and sling mud. You guys give good lip though.
MPD61, I gotta hop over to your side of the fence because you quote more specific laws that more convincingly counter annadads opinions. Good clean fun for once!
=D>

Posted by: FAPD

Give me a break!
MPD61 can cut and paste any laws he want. It doesn't make him right. annadad is right to be cautious and ask questions. He's the one that is thinking. Only fools rush in. Face facts, some of you people never accept that campus police cannot do anywhere near what municpal/state police do every day.

Posted by: Kilvinsky

The healthy exchange of ideas is one of the main purposes of this site (if I read things correctly). Some folks do over analyze things to death. You can't take everything as Gospel, because even laws are reinterpreted regularly by the courts.

I say, keep up the dialogue and we'll all keep the sceptical grains of salt nearby, just to be safe.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAPD

Face facts, some of you people never accept that campus police cannot do anywhere near what municpal/state police do every day.

Jeezus!
What planet are you from? It's ironic that annadad71 has gone out and served his own arrest warrants in Brockton, yet now tries to convince us his use of blue lights would be illegal? He needs to stop looking for every little excuse not to do his job YIKES!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: sgt128-13

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAPD

Face facts, some of you people never accept that campus police cannot do anywhere near what municpal/state police do every day.

And some people can't accept the fact that alot of campus PD's are more active (in a law enforcement sense) than alot of municipalities

I'm glad I can't do what the state does every day... I'd have carpul tunnel syndrome from the ticket writing

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