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Posted by: fscpd910

What's 7, 8, 9?????????????????



Posted by: johncop

Hey guys i was checking my score and i'm confused how the scores go. I know the test was different this year and there were suppose to put people in bands. Can somebody tell me how the bands (scores go)

Thanks.



Posted by: soxrock75

Quote:
Originally Posted by johncop
Hey guys i was checking my score and i'm confused how the scores go. I know the test was different this year and there were suppose to put people in bands. Can somebody tell me how the bands (scores go)

Thanks.
Wow, I was just about to say something like "The scores aren't even out yet". But then I checked and they are. Apparently I got a ???? No idea what that means. Hopefully 9 is the highest civilian score while 10+ are the vets etc.? Any ideas?



Posted by: 94c

Hopefully not your score.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Doubt on the 10+ being vets etc. as one of my friends just checked, normal citizen with no added points, and he got a 10. Let the posts come.



Posted by: soxrock75

I got a 9.

I am hoping that there are score bands from 1-10, with 10 being vets, dvets etc. and 9 being the first band of civilians???



Posted by: AdamJ1984

LOL, let the pouring in of posts come.



Posted by: COto50

soxrock, sorry to burst your bubble but I am a regular civilian and I got a 10



Posted by: soxrock75

Quote:
Originally Posted by COto50
soxrock, sorry to burst your bubble but I am a regular civilian and I got a 10
No worries at all, it is what it is. If we could just figure out how the scores work, I think that would go a long way.....



Posted by: NBPD

df? what is a 9?



Posted by: wolf9848

Veteran here, got a 10. I was like "WTF!!!!!!?????" when I saw it. Relaxed alittle when I saw you guys post similar results.



Posted by: Capt. Kirk

From what I hear from those that took the Fire exam the explanation of the bands comes in the mail with your score.



Posted by: NFDNOTPD

guys,its pretty much the same as the firefighter test scoring system.for example,if you scored98-100 you would be in band 10, 95-98 you would be in band 9 and so on..not sure the exact numbers but hopefully that helped



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Yeah I got a 10 as well, non-vet, good to know, I am sure the actual mailed score will include guidelines for the banding and whatnot.



Posted by: Rocco39

I got an 8 which per the CS email means a score from 90 to 93 which kind of bums me out a bit, thought I did better.



Posted by: union1

Mine doesnt seem to be updated, am I the only one?



Posted by: Foxracingmtnridr

I got A 9 and I was like WTF how F'ing stupid am I. and then I looked here and had a lil' relief. Watch us all get f'd in the A$$ and all have crap scores

Scott



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Quoted from the Email:
"Your final score is a banded score. The scoring system for this exam consists of 10 score bands; they are listed in descending order on your exam score notification. For instance, if your notification indicates that you are at a score band of 8, it means you scored in the range of 90-93."



Posted by: Nightstalker

I got .3457. Should I find a new job?



Posted by: union1

n/m i got it... so would band 9 be 94-97? or 89-93???



Posted by: auxiliary22

Anyone know if people with a score of an 8 (90-93) have any chance of getting considered? Are there alot of 9 and 10s or is the 8 about average or below?



Posted by: Rocco39

Quote:
Originally Posted by auxiliary22
Anyone know if people with a score of an 8 (90-93) have any chance of getting considered? Are there alot of 9 and 10s or is the 8 about average or below?
I'd say you always have a shot, it depends on the city/town, numbers hired from the list, etc.

I too am an 8 but I'm also a Vet so that will put me in the first group considered, so as I understand it I'd be competing with a smaller pool than you would if you're a non vet.



Posted by: batedog

Depends on how many people above you are in 9 or 10. there could be a small group or a shit load.



Posted by: soxrock75

I think that the 9's were 96-100 for the last firefighter test. Which begs the question: What are the 10's? Superscores?



Posted by: Rocco39

Quote:
Originally Posted by soxrock75
I think that the 9's were 96-100 for the last firefighter test. Which begs the question: What are the 10's? Superscores?
That would make sense, probably a 10 is a 100 (or close to it) plus extra points for employment experience.



Posted by: 1234hey

I got a "". The flood gets are open, bring on the threads!



Posted by: blueline21

It depends on a lot of things, also I wouldn't beleive what everyone tells you they got... you just gotta wait til November and keep trying.



Posted by: rireserve

civillian 10



Posted by: muzakman

so 7 would be 90 and under in other words screwed



Posted by: auxiliary22

Alright, sounds good. Is there a list that comes out for the towns that one applied to that shows you where you rank? Or does that happen after interviews and such?



Posted by: blueline21

As stated in the Civil Service e-mail, the lists come out on or around November 9th.... which could mean 3 weeks after the way Civil Circus works. And yes, it will show you your rank for the towns you selected.



Posted by: Rocco39

Quote:
Originally Posted by auxiliary22
Alright, sounds good. Is there a list that comes out for the towns that one applied to that shows you where you rank? Or does that happen after interviews and such?
according to the CS email, the rankings will be posted in early november once the list is certified/released to the municipalities. I took that to mean you will be able to view the rankings online at that time.



Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

10 here civilian



Posted by: massbrandon

9 Here



Posted by: ViresEtHonorum

9, civilian.



Posted by: JLT770

i wonder what "old irish way" guy got?



Posted by: rlay84

"9" White male, non vet, Boston resident.



Posted by: LTSO16

same here, got a 9, white guy, boston resident. let the thread continue!!!!



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Quote:
Originally Posted by JLT770
i wonder what "old irish way" guy got?
Oh yeah, tough guy who was getting harassed at the test. Wonder if his score is not up to par he'll drop the gloves and fight for a better one?



Posted by: JaneDoe

9. w/f. non-vet. boston res.



Posted by: Nightstalker

I think what everyone is forgetting is that the test is only the first step of the 245 step program! Remember that even though people got a 10 doesnt mean that they are going to driving around on patrol in a month. Every single applicant still has to pass a PAT, an extensive background test, psych test, drug screen, etc. Those who didnt get a "10" still have a chance guys! For those who got a "10" congrats!!!! but sorry to say... that alone isnt going to get you the badge. Everyone needs to stay focused on the next step.



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightstalker
I think what everyone is forgetting is that the test is only the first step of the 245 step program! Remember that even though people got a 10 doesnt mean that they are going to driving around on patrol in a month. Every single applicant still has to pass a PAT, an extensive background test, psych test, drug screen, etc. Those who didnt get a "10" still have a chance guys! For those who got a "10" congrats!!!! but sorry to say... that alone isnt going to get you the badge. Everyone needs to stay focused on the next step.
Don't burst their bubble. They remind me of my kids on Christmas morning.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Obviously you are correct, as it is a long and arguous process that if selected you should cherish it. It just makes is a little, and I mean a little easier when you start off higher.



Posted by: Redleg13D

I'm almost blew a gasket when I saw "9" on my score until I checked this thread... I now think I should sue Civil Service for nearly giving me a heart attack!



Posted by: NBPD

lol



Posted by: 2-Delta

Could it be 8=80-89 9=90-99 and 10=100+ ??



Posted by: JLT770

a very disappointing 8 for me, very disappointing because i thought i nailed the actual knowledge part



Posted by: j809

I don't think this is good as almost all of you got 9s and 10s, which means that many others got the same, which means, good luck.



Posted by: okie317

I got an 8 also which according to the email from HRD is a score of 90-93, so I'm a bit disappointed cause I got a 93 last time and was hoping for higher but what I'm confused about is where vet preference and already being a cop factors in because so far all the people I have talked to that are in the 10 band are not vets.



Posted by: NFDNOTPD

hey guys. just remember that best person for the job not just how well they score,friend of mine got on to a pd over this other guy who was a vet with better score one of the reason was that through interview he did very well where the other did not..just trying keep this story short.missing more then anyone needs to know..=) good luck guys



Posted by: SC1374

Wolf9849 in a previous post is a vet with a 10 and I am a vet with a 9 so there goes that theory. I believe regardless of score if you dont bomb and you are a vet you have preference



Posted by: Rocco39

Thats my understanding too SC1374. 1st is son/daugther of deceased LEO, then Disabled Vet, then Vet then residents... so if you fit into one of the above and didn't bomb the exam, you've got a good shot...



Posted by: PBiddy35

As I understand it, the ranges are set so that a certain number of people are in each band. I scored lower than I had hoped but hey if Boston is hiring as much as previously stated, theres always a shot.



Posted by: POPCOP

I got a 9 and I am a Vet. Guess I'm screwed...



Posted by: mcpd704

I hate this banding crap!!!, I am a vet with police experience, full time academy and I got an 8...I miss the whole percentage style scoring, it is easier to understand and a lot less confusing!!! I will keep my fingers crossed and wait the 3 weeks or however long it takes for the actual list to come out to get a better idea of where I stand in this mess.



Posted by: Rocco39

Quote:
Originally Posted by POPCOP
I got a 9 and I am a Vet. Guess I'm screwed...
Huh? sounds like just the opposite to me PopCop.



Posted by: OciferpeteHPD3500

Here is the email I got. As soon as they said you can check on line I stopped reading and checked. I should of read the letter completely because I almost got a heart attack when I saw an 8 for a score!


Dear Police Officer Applicant:
Scores will be mailed to exam-takers on Thursday and Friday of this week and are now available for viewing on-line utilizing the HRD Standings & On-line Applicant Record Information System (SOARIS).
The eligible list is scheduled to be established on November 1, 2007.



The police officer examination that HRD administered on May 19, 2007 had a different format from those that had been administered in the past. Accordingly, the scoring system for this exam differs from those of previous years.

Your final score is a banded score. The scoring system for this exam consists of 10 score bands; they are listed in descending order on your exam score notification. For instance, if your notification indicates that you are at a score band of 8, it means you scored in the range of 90-93.

When your name is reached for appointment, it will appear on the list in a tie with all the other applicants in your score band within the communities you selected. On or about November 9, you will be able to view your rankings on your chosen municipalities’ civil service lists by logging into the HRD Standings and On-line Applicant Record Information System at: https://www.csexam.hrd.state.ma.us/standings/ .

If you have not already created an HRD account, you must register as a first-time user at: https://www.csexam.hrd.state.ma.us/standings/registration.asp .


Passing the civil service examination is only the first step in the hiring process. Once your name is certified to a police department or, if applicable, to the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority (MBTA), you will be required to complete an application process at the municipal level or at the MBTA, which includes an extensive background check and an interview. If you successfully complete the application process and are given a conditional offer of employment, you must pass a medical examination and the Physical Abilities Test (PAT) before you may be hired. Many police departments also require that you pass a psychological screening examination.

Please begin preparing to successfully complete the various selection stages of the hiring process, which includes training for the PAT. The PAT preparation guide may be accessed at:
www.mass.gov/Ehrd/docs/cs/publications/police_pat_prep_guide.doc . You may also view a video of the actual test events and obtain a copy of the medical standards at the HRD website, www.mass.gov/civilservice .

If you have any questions or concerns, please e-mail CivilService@hrd.state.ma.us or call the Civil Service Hotline, 617-878-9895.

I wish you success in your future endeavors.



Sincerely,

Sally A. McNeely
Director
Organizational Development Group




Posted by: MRC

This is the first CC test I've taken and got an 8 on it, lets see how this pans out in the long run.



Posted by: PBiddy35

mcPD, absolute preference for vets hasnt gone anywhere. congrats



Posted by: mcpd704

Thanks for the good news biddy!, I will keep my fingers crossed and hopefully I will soon be able to move onto bigger and better things!



Posted by: 94c

So a Department hiring 10-15 cops is going to get a list with about 20 or so ties? Maybe more?

If I read this correctly, the scores are out the window and it only matters what band you're in.

Talk about wide discretion in the hiring process.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Quote:
Originally Posted by PBiddy35
mcPD, absolute preference for vets hasnt gone anywhere. congrats
Gotta love that, not. OT and beaten like a dead horse, but it sucks for people like me who do better on the test. I guess every Vet who served, God bless them for that, is a better candidate than myself. Hope this system is abolished soon and those with absolute best OBJECTIVE score are given just as much a chance.



Posted by: COto50

Thats one of the reasons why they changed the format. Towns wanted more discretion when hiring. The got tired of hiring the resident or veteran that got a 70 and overall preference. They want to be able to eliminate those people.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

And how is that being done when the poster above mentioned that Vet Preference still resides as the major factor in selection?
What I want is equal weight, such as all Vets. do not make great officers nor do those who do the best on tests. If this test rations those fairly and equally, I have no qualms, but I have fear that is does not.



Posted by: COto50

Vets still get preference, but the new scoring format allows the town to pass over them and pick someone else without an explanation.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

COto50, thanks for the clarification. So say I get a 10 and a Veteran gets an 8, they are no means a lock for the position because of the preference? If so, then that does sound more fair than it has been in the past. I knew their was a reason behind all of this madness of a new test format.



Posted by: COto50

Right the only people that you should have to worry about are the vets that got 10s. When a town pulls the list that will get all the names in the 10 band for example and not the other bands. so only the only people you are up against are the people in your score band.



Posted by: Rocco39

Quote:
Originally Posted by COto50
Right the only people that you should have to worry about are the vets that got 10s. When a town pulls the list that will get all the names in the 10 band for example and not the other bands. so only the only people you are up against are the people in your score band.
COto50 did you get this from the CS website? I'm curious about where you got this info.



Posted by: COto50

I know a department that will be hiring once the list is certified. The hiring source filled me on how he believes the process is to work. He is still not sure he has it 100% because it is new to him too. This test is suppose to make it easier to pick the best possible candidate.



Posted by: okie317

No one said every vet is better for the job. It's just a nice little plus for giving years of your life to your country.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Ahh excellent, now that is more like it. I can see in a city that has more than a few openings, a regular citizen like myself has more of a chance now.



Posted by: Rocco39

Quote:
Originally Posted by COto50
I know a department that will be hiring once the list is certified. The hiring source filled me on how he believes the process is to work. He is still not sure he has it 100% because it is new to him too. This test is suppose to make it easier to pick the best possible candidate.
Yeah, I'm not so sure of that. I too have a buddy who said it's still vets 1st, not to say a vet is an automatic hire, but he says they've got first shot, regardless of whether a higher banded non vet is on the list. In short he said the preferenced candidate, i.e. the vet, has gotta be a complete screw up to not get the first shot. But like you said, neither one of use know for sure how this gonna play out yet... good luck to all of us though!



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Quote:
Originally Posted by okie317
No one said every vet is better for the job. It's just a nice little plus for giving years of your life to your country.
If that matters so much in LE why not in every other area of work? I myself am a finance major and I have a near 4.0 GPA and will so when I graduate. So you mean to tell me that because you serve the country that a top financial firm would take you over me when say you had a cumulative 3.2? I think not, for I know many people who are in the armed forces and they would make for horrible officers. So to say that is extra incentive, what about those who study hard, stay out of trouble, and would sell their left leg for a position?



Posted by: COto50

okie I have no problem if a vet gets a little preference. In most states they get between 5-7 points added right to their score and that works for me. I am against the all out preference where a guy can score a 70 on a test and leap over everyone.



Posted by: okie317

Adam, I said not every vet is better for the job, and I didn't say that every job should take vets first but this one just happens to and that is what I'm talking about. In the end I believe it comes down to your character.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

okie, I understand your logic, and true, it does come doen to character and how you show yourself. Also, BI will come up with alot of junk if it is there. I just want the chance to show my face, instead of being a number on a list.



Posted by: misconceived

And so it begins....



Posted by: okie317

COto50, I think thats bs too, but then again having the whole exam changed and getting put at the top of the new list because of your skin color is also bs. Guess thats just the way our state woks.

Adam, you will get your chance. I know plenty of guys that are on the job that aren't vets.



Posted by: DrShredz

9 non-vet here.



Posted by: BPD110

Quote:
Originally Posted by j809
I don't think this is good as almost all of you got 9s and 10s, which means that many others got the same, which means, good luck.
Damnit Yimmy. I got a 10 and was hoping you'd get me on in the "caster" with you.



Posted by: JLT770

so in theory, no town would ever pull the list of 8's only 9's and 10's?



Posted by: PBiddy35

Questioning VET STATUS is an argument for a different thread. As far as I have read/ heard DVets, Vets, Parent loss candidates will be in like SUPERBANDS in that just like before a vet with a 7 will get a card over a Nonvet with a 9. They didn't reinvent the civil circus ferris wheel here. The idea is with 20 people tied, they can look at all 20 and choose the people they want without having to bypass because its not a bypass if the candidates have teh same score. I asked a question like that at the CS exam info session at city hall to one of the hrd ladies and got somewhat that answer.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

PBiddy, you say those with preference with be in the superband, as it has been before. So like you state, Vet 7 will get a call before a Non-Vet 9. So where does the 20 tied candidates come into play because they are bypassing, who, the 10, 9, and 8 Non-Vets who took the same test they did and face it, did better. I think, and if this is what you meant, it should go for each band they look at the preferences and go to the non's afterwards. For those above me would only be 10-vets, dis. vets, parent loss, then me resident preference.



Posted by: JLT770

this is going to get off topic here, but i heard something from a friend of mine who said he saw something on tv on how they don't choose people who scored over a 93 on the intelligence test because police work would be mundane for them and they would lose interest, and do a lousy job? any input on this?



Posted by: paulgta

what cities you guys put down???



Posted by: MPDReserve

I don't mean to be a party pooper or anything as I can see how exciting this thread has gotten over the past few hours alone, but some of you are trying to get information from people that, in actuality have no more information than you yourself. Even hiring departments are still unsure of how the new scoring bands will be working out. With that in mind, all the "I got a buddy that says this..." is probably not entirely accurate either. Perhaps it might have been a good idea to read the e-mail in its entirety and you would have noticed the following quote which would probably help in answering most if not all questions:

If you have any questions or concerns, please e-mail CivilService@hrd.state.ma.us or call the Civil Service Hotline, 617-878-9895.



Posted by: FRA0073

Anybody know if you will be able to change your cities/towns after the lists are put out in November?



Posted by: paulgta

the results are out what cities you guys put down???

im in taunton, raynham, bridgewater and middleboro



Posted by: AdamJ1984

JLT, I remember somewhere I saw that, as I saw it just recently.



Posted by: bgwin

21 white male non vet, 9 here

Pretty proud of myself, first time ever taking this test



Posted by: FordMustang

I got a 10. Non vet. 21/m, caucasion. But I'm still moving to Florida in 20 days cause no matter what you score it doesn't mean jack in this state.



Posted by: wryman

Sounds like with this band scoring, there will be more ties = more interviews for towns...Instead of a list with 99, 98, 97's its just scored as a 10. There could be 100 canidates for a town that wants to hire 2 officers...



Posted by: j809

Quote:
Originally Posted by BPD110
Damnit Yimmy. I got a 10 and was hoping you'd get me on in the "caster" with you.
You're a lifer in the Box, why did you take the test anyway?



Posted by: SinePari

Damn! This thread is only 13 hours old and has almost 100 posts. I predict 1000+ by the time the lists are posted in November.

BTW, do you munies already on the job take the test every 2 years "just in case" you want to move on to another department? And if so, does the Chief treat you differently? A few guys I work with got black-balled once the boss found out they took the MSP exam.



Posted by: redsox03

10, Vet.

I got a dumb question. Would I be higher on the list than a vet with a 9 or are all vets banded together?



Posted by: Gradyhater

The scores are finally out. Congrats to all who did well, and better luck next time for those that didn't. The score band explanation is detailed below. My guess is that each band has a breakdown for D-Vet, Vet, Civilian.

Police Officer 2007 Exam Score Band Explanation

What my 2007 Police Officer score means. Your score is a banded score. The scoring system for this exam consist of 10 score bands.

Score Bands:
10=97-100
9=94-96
8=90-93
7=87-89
6=83-86
5=80-82
4=77-79
3=74-76
2=70-73
1=Below 70

Exam passing score is 70% or band 2



Posted by: SC1374

If you go to the on line standings you can now click on your score and it breaks down all the bands.



Posted by: Rocco39

I tried calling the CS to get an answer about the banding and how it applies to special status/Vets, unfortunately they're not taking any calls till later today. I'm sure I'm not the only one on the boards wanting to clarify how that aspect works.



Posted by: RookiePO

Police Officer 2007 Exam Score Band Explanation What my 2007 Police Officer score means? Your final score is a banded score. The scoring system for this exam consists of 10 score bands. Score Bands:10=97-1006=83-862=70-739=94-965=80-821=Below 708=90-934=77-797=87-893=74-76Exam passing score is 70% or band 2



Posted by: AdamJ1984

We kind of knew already about the score bands, what the major question it seems like it how the Veteran's Preference comes into play, which I am sure we will know very soon.



Posted by: Boston24

9 here...so fucking relieved!!!!

Congrats to ALL!!!



Posted by: redsox03

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamJ1984
We kind of knew already about the score bands, what the major question it seems like it how the Veteran's Preference comes into play, which I am sure we will know very soon.
Combat Vet > College Boy

BTW, How did you do on the Nashua test?



Posted by: Southside

Non vet and a 9



Posted by: Rocco39

I called CS and got through for clarification on what seems to be a hot topic, rankings of Vets and non-vets. Basically the lists are as most of us thought. Here is a excerpt from the Certification order of lists section of Certification Handbook.


"Candidates are generally listed on the certification in the following order. Candidates determined eligible for resident preference are certified first, if the community has adopted applicable statutes regarding resident preference within that community. Within the resident category, disabled veterans, veterans, and non-veterans are listed in that order, based on the preferences provided in MGL Ch. 31. Within each of these groups applicants are listed in descending order by score. The names of non-residents are then certified. Again, within the non-resident group disabled veterans are listed first, followed by veterans and non-veterans. Disabled veterans are identified by two asterisks; veterans by one asterisk...."


So, if your on the list in a town that has 10 vets on the list, they would come first in descending order based on their scores going from highest to lowest. IF more than one person, Vet or Non Vet, has the same score as others on their respective list, they go in alphabetical order from A-Z....



Posted by: shannon

I see alot of 9's and 10's out there... Congratulations! I received an 8 (90-93)which I am still pretty happy with...



Posted by: PBiddy35

Wow did not know that about the alphabetical. Finally some pay back for always being the first to be called on in class.



Posted by: michaelmarshall

9 Vet here what are my chances honestly.



Posted by: Esoteric77

Alright, I have a question that maybe someone can answer. Does anyone know if you get extra points for having a EMT license OR does this just help if the hiring Dept. is looking for EMT's? Didn't know if this might bumped me up to the 10's.

I got a 9 ..... 29/m ,USMC Vet,EMT-B



Posted by: misconceived

No points for EMT. Dept's get a list showing who has what certs.
So, it can help you in the loooong process of getting hired.

I started the hiring process for my dept in Jan. It's now October.
I'm in an academy, have completed all tests, but civil circus still has their thumbs up their asses.
As soon as they give the go ahead, we get sworn.

For all you guys that think you are going to get hired right away...


Good luck to all.



Posted by: michaelmarshall

Quote:
Originally Posted by misconceived
No points for EMT. Dept's get a list showing who has what certs.
So, it can help you in the loooong process of getting hired.

I started the hiring process for my dept in Jan. It's now October.
I'm in an academy, have completed all tests, but civil circus still has their thumbs up their asses.
As soon as they give the go ahead, we get sworn.

For all you guys that think you are going to get hired right away...


Good luck to all.
So your Dept is paying you not to be sworn in. What are you doing all day washing cruisers



Posted by: misconceived

Where in the post did I say I was getting paid?

Can't work until we are sworn.

I wish I was getting paid, I've already spent over $1000 on the whole process.



Posted by: michaelmarshall

Quote:
Originally Posted by misconceived
Where in the post did I say I was getting paid?

Can't work until we are sworn.

I wish I was getting paid, I've already spent over $1000 on the whole process.
Wait so you went to the Academy and didnt get paid for it and still not getting paid. Was this a full time academy and if so what town was this in so I dont put them on my list. I have family and friends who are cops and they all got paid during the academy



Posted by: ProudAmerican

Quote:
Originally Posted by misconceived
No points for EMT. Dept's get a list showing who has what certs.
So, it can help you in the loooong process of getting hired.

I started the hiring process for my dept in Jan. It's now October.
I'm in an academy, have completed all tests, but civil circus still has their thumbs up their asses.
As soon as they give the go ahead, we get sworn.

For all you guys that think you are going to get hired right away...


Good luck to all.
Forgive my ignorance, but I always believed you could not attend the academy until you got hired. Also, how is it that they are allowing you to attend the academy without pay?



Posted by: misconceived

I am in the Academy now, it's a Reserve Academy. You don't get paid.
Fulltime you do.

That's another thing a lot of people don't realize.
Certain departments only hire you part time.
In order to go Full time you must be on the active reserve list, it all depends on the department wether or not it's a good thing.

I don't want to drag this thread too far off topic. Search the site and you'll find all this information is talked about.



Posted by: michaelmarshall

Oh well hell Reserve is a horse of a different color. You dont have to take the CS Exam to attend a Reserve Academy you only need to be sponsored. Most people on here are looking full time. God only knows why you took a part time gig.



Posted by: misconceived

Quote:
Originally Posted by misconceived
In order to go Full time you must be on the active reserve list
This is for most Civil Service towns.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

I too would be interested in what others have besides their town/city of residency.



Posted by: batedog

How the hell did they factor in the psychology questions in the score?



Posted by: JLT770

Quote:
Originally Posted by batedog
How the hell did they factor in the psychology questions in the score?
two words....very carefully

no, i believe with my collegeboy experience in psychology it was based on something called the MMPI scale where they look for certain traits of successful officers and test for that and give grades on that?



Posted by: jmac572

marshfield, MBTA, plymouth, weymouth



Posted by: xterra55

Brockton, Boston, Quincy, MBTA



Posted by: wolf9848

Boston, MBTA, Quincy, Somerville



Posted by: Foxy85

8>>>>> White male non-vet...

I think it all depends on what towns you people selected.....If you have anything below a 10 for places like Worcester or Boston, I would say you probably have no shot, as all the vets/d-vets/residents....etc. will be selected first, and ALOT of people put down Worcester....

Just an example....

Anyway, if you do your homework on certain towns....maybe ones that don't pay that well, or ones that Hire Reserves only then make you work a year or two as a reserve first to create a pool of applicants.....

For instance, so not to give away my Stategy.... I applied for X-Town....they pay they're part-time officer's $10.00 and hour, no shift differential...Pretty crappy...BUT if you put your time in a for a year or two, then you are practicully garunteed a full time spot in which the town pays in the mid 40 thousand range....Again its all what you want...if you're looking for strictly Full Time Police jobs, then that narrows down the towns you will be looking at, and thus those looking to start off PT, narrows down our competition.

Also, with this new system, it allows a LITTLE bit of politics to come back into play for the Civil Service towns. If you score in a 10 band, and they are starting interviews for that 10 band. They can jump right down to your name, even if you're on the bottom, because there are nobypass rules with the banding...So you're in band 10, and you're at the bottom with no expereince but flipping burgers. Guy at the top of the same band has his masters and 20 years on as a FT police Officer, they can skip down to the burger flipping guy because the Chief recognizes that name.<<<another thing to think about!

To end my rant....Did anyone pay an extra $75 to be put on the Town of Dudley's list?



Posted by: Bleakeas

can someone start a new thread where you only put your score, if your a vet or not and your city of residence

thanks



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxy85
So you're in band 10, and you're at the bottom with no expereince but flipping burgers. Guy at the top of the same band has his masters and 20 years on as a FT police Officer, they can skip down to the burger flipping guy because the Chief recognizes that name.<<<another thing to think about!
you just caused a bunch of guys to change their last name to McDonald.



Posted by: Keepitreel

Well put.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FordMustang
I got a 10. Non vet. 21/m, caucasion. But I'm still moving to Florida in 20 days cause no matter what you score it doesn't mean jack in this state.




Posted by: davejoyce2000

When will the candidates who took the September 29th Exam going to get their marks?



Posted by: bgwin

weymouth, boston, quincy and brockton



Posted by: DrShredz

i think people should put their town/cities and their score so people can get a better idea.

9 non-vet. scituate, norwell, pembroke, framingham, and boston.



Posted by: Foxy85

I selected Worcester, Worcester, Worcester, and Worcester...... I heard it increases your chance of getting an interview if you have it selected more than once...



Posted by: JLT770

I feel like i have little to no shot with an 8...so why bother putting town what my towns were



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by JLT770
I feel like i have little to no shot with an 8...so why bother putting town what my towns were
You'd be surprised how many names a larger department can piss through.

Some of you eager guys wouldn't believe how many people, a year from now, have changed their minds for whatever reason.



Posted by: Foxy85

Do a little homework, and it will pay off.... DOn't just select a P.D. for the sake of saying its a nice town.... No sense of selecting a town if they're going to hire 3 guys and there are 300 guys on the list....unless of course you're at the top of that list....

DO YOUR HOMEWORK!! If you want the job, you'll get it....

You have to start somewhere....

As for the little chance with an 8...I disagree, I think you'll be fine.....There are a lot of people out there with records or things that they did, that they think won't be found......Then there are plain morons out there, that may test well, but interview horribly.....Before you know it....they're interviewing guys in the "8" band.....

Don't get discouraged now....keep your head up.....(<<<<Thats what she said!) LOL!



Posted by: Rocco39

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
You'd be surprised how many names a larger department can piss through.

Some of you eager guys wouldn't believe how many people, a year from now, have changed their minds for whatever reason.
You could'nt be more right. I scored a 98 over 12 years ago (yeah I'm old) and got the card in the mail but never even replied b/c of personal reasons (my wife). Don't get down on your self.



Posted by: JLT770

thanks guys, just all the people posting their 9's and 10's had me discouraged. just more waiting until i see where i stand on the list...and ill keep on taking tests thanks again guys



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Hey Foxy, as far as departments hiring a certain amount on people, do you suggest just contacting them to get an estimate? Obviously I have no choice with my residence, but as far as the other towns/cities, what do you recommend as a course of doing HW on them?



Posted by: Redleg13D

All the score really seem to say is how far away the light at the end of the tunnel might be... however, since this is MA, you never know when a ceiling panel will crush you anyway.



Posted by: davejoyce2000

Now that you folks who took the May 19th Police exam finally received your scores. When will us candidates who took the recent September 29th exam receive our scores? Do we have to wait another 5 months to receive our scores?



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg13D
however, since this is MA, you never know when a ceiling panel will crush you anyway.
I laughed my ass off when I read this, just out of nowhere, but don't think I feel the same about the victims.



Posted by: Foxy85

Adam,

I have to say, for me its a bit easier than the average person.....I work for the Trial Court, and as such I have 6 Towns assigned to my court house, which means 6 P.D.'s bring prisoners and paperwork to court everyday. This allows me interaction between myself and other officers, and to "gossip" about their P.D.'s projection for hiring....

I also have a buddy on Shrewsbury P.D. who is pretty up to speed on the surrounding departments....

My advice....Make some phone calls.....Keep an eye on this site, and you'll do fine....

When calling ask for a Sgt./Supervisor...if hes busy, just leave a message with your name and number, and usually they get back to you.....Just be polite and you should have no problems.....Ask him if hes busy, or if there is a better time to call....if he says he can talk, then ask if you can pick his brain about the department for a few minutes......if you have the time...visiting the departments of interest in person always helps.....it always helps to put a face to your name....

Things to inquire about.....

<<How many officers they plan on hiring in the next year or so...
<<When they plan on hiring them....
<<If they employ Part-timer's...
<<What the rate is that the part-timers earn....
<<Inquire about the current roster, and se ehow many guys they are short....
<<Educational requirements that the department might have....
<<Expected retirments of any officers.....ANY....if the the Chief retires even...because then it creates a shock wave of guys getting promoted....


I can't stress this enough...BE POLITE AND RESPECTFUL when talking to these guys...be thankful and greatful for their time they take to talk to you....

Most departments will call you back...some won't.....Just be persistent, without being a pain in the ass.....you'll do fine....



Posted by: redemption05

Ayone know if its possible to find out your exact score?



Posted by: massbrandon

I was wondering the same thing about finding out my exact score. When we get our letters in the mail will they say our scores?



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Wow Foxy, thank-you for the awesome reply. I will definitely heed your advice and see where this road takes me. I am unsure if you have heard about the black cloud circling the Methuen Police Department, but with that going on, I hope things will turn out OK.



Posted by: Foxy85

No, I mainly keep up with Wocester Area P.D.'s and Blackstone Valley area P.D.'s....I only know what I see on this board about internal affairs of departments around the state....


About inquiring with P.D's.....just remember, once you've got that FT academy, you're free to go about anywhere you want.....So if you start out as a part-timer making shit money for a year or two, make it up with some details here and there, but really show the Chief you want the next FT slot, it'll pay off in the end. Even if the FT job doesn't pay well, GET THAT ACADEMY!!!!......you can always lateral out to somewhere else.....

Sacrifice now, will pay off later.....And get in while you're young and retire early.....

Good luck!



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamJ1984
Wow Foxy, thank-you for the awesome reply. I will definitely heed your advice and see where this road takes me. I am unsure if you have heard about the black cloud circling the Methuen Police Department, but with that going on, I hope things will turn out OK.
Better yet, all departments have a training officer. Some full-time and some as part of their many duties. Most of those guys enjoy what they're doing and may be more approachable and available.

Just my opinion.



Posted by: andy0921

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94c
Better yet, all departments have a training officer. Some full-time and some as part of their many duties. Most of those guys enjoy what they're doing and may be more approachable and available.

Just my opinion.
I agree...You're better off calling the departments training officer rather than calling up the street supervisor and asking him a million questions...



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Great guys, I am going to contact someone who is closely related to the hiring department within the department as well as a training officer. Thank-you for these tips as I want to be noticed in this very large field.



Posted by: Foxy85

To each his own....I'm around smaller departments, so superviser is best for me, but for the larger P.D.'s I would agree with 94C and company... Either way remember....POLITE and RESPECTFUL....



Posted by: shawn617

I am in the 8th band on the scoring and I was wondering if points for a second language are already added to your score that you were given or are they given on top of that score.



Posted by: shannon

Glad to see that someone else got an 8... Would someone with a score that was within the 6 or 7 band be considered for employment? Just curious...



Posted by: xterra55

This might open up another can of worms but what if you are a minority. That person would have an advantage if they call for a minority list. No? Or what about if the person speaks a secondary language.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrShredz
i think people should put their town/cities and their score so people can get a better idea.

9 non-vet. scituate, norwell, pembroke, framingham, and boston.




Posted by: redsox03

Anyone think I got a shot at Worcester or Boston? I dont have residency in either. Im a vet in the 10 band. Do they ever get to the non-residents? If I had to guess I would say Worcester no and Boston Maybe? Not sure though. I dont think the town I have residency in is going to be hiring. Any guys on here get hired from a city they didnt have residency in?



Posted by: Trifecta

First, I would love to say that this new scoring systems is ridiculous.
Second, my friend took the exam on the may 19 date and when he went to check his results it informed him there was no information at this time. I am just wondering how some of you already have your test results...



Posted by: PVD24

Police Officer 2007 Exam Score Band Explanation What my 2007 Police Officer score means? Your final score is a banded score. The scoring system for this exam consists of 10 score bands.

Score Bands:10=97-100
9=94-96
8=90-93
7=87-89
6=83-86
5=80-82
4=77-79
3=74-76
2=70-73
1=Below 70

Exam passing score is 70% or band 2





Posted by: mikeyd1313

Everyone here seems to have gotten an 8, 9, or 10. Just out of curiousity, did anyone get a lower score? I have not heard of anyone from this board or people I know personally get below an 8. It should be interesting when it comes to hiring if nobody got below an 8.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

Below is the breakdown of the Score Bands for the 2007 Police Officer test.




Score Bands for 2007 Police Officer Test
10 = 97-100
9 = 94-96
8 = 90-93
7 = 87-89
6 = 83-86
5 = 80-82
4 = 77-79
3 = 74-76
2 = 70-73
1 = BELOW 70



Written exam pass score band: 2






Posted by: ProudAmerican

Quote:
Originally Posted by shawn617
I am in the 8th band on the scoring and I was wondering if points for a second language are already added to your score that you were given or are they given on top of that score.

You do not receive additional points for being fluent in a second language. However it does help you get hired in a town that you are not a resident of. I'm not a resident of Somerville, but I was called off the language list and am now in the hiring process. I'm also a combat vet, but that really doesnt go far unless it's the MBTA or the town you're a resident of.



Posted by: Trifecta

Is the test results posted because my friends informed me the website tell him there is no new information on the test results.



Posted by: redsox03

Have him call HR then.



Posted by: L4G81

I got a 9...white female here.

You guys have to remember as well how many people are out there who got 7's, 6's and so on and so fourth that just don't have the courage to post their scores on this thread because of embarrassment to the 9's and 10's. I know a good six people in my area already who just got a 7. So don't fret...it "may" seem like everyone and their mother got a nine or a ten at this point....but that is far from the truth.



Posted by: redsox03

Quote:
Originally Posted by L4G81
I got a 9...white female here.

You guys have to remember as well how many people are out there who got 7's, 6's and so on and so fourth that just don't have the courage to post their scores on this thread because of embarrassment to the 9's and 10's. I know a good six people in my area already who just got a 7. So don't fret...it "may" seem like everyone and their mother got a nine or a ten at this point....but that is far from the truth.
Good point.



Posted by: Foxy85

I would think that Bands 8,9,10 should have a decent shot at getting on somewhere.....as each is a 90 or higher.......

Remember not everyone will be applying to towns that start you off PT, so the competetion will be limited......I just inquired with a seargent that is on a town I selected, and he said that if you passed the test and put our town down, you will get an interview.....not many people put down his town....So when it comes time to change around your selections, if they're still going to allow that.....look into towns with a short list...



Posted by: davejoyce2000

Has anyone received their score yet for the September 29th Civil Service Police Exam held at North Quincy High School? Please let me know and reply by private message if you prefer.

Thank You



Posted by: okie317

Quote:
Originally Posted by redsox03
Anyone think I got a shot at Worcester or Boston? I dont have residency in either. Im a vet in the 10 band. Do they ever get to the non-residents? If I had to guess I would say Worcester no and Boston Maybe? Not sure though. I dont think the town I have residency in is going to be hiring. Any guys on here get hired from a city they didnt have residency in?
I'm not 100% positive about the last two classes but before the 2005 exam the head of the WPD Academy said they had never hired a non-resident.



Posted by: davejoyce2000

Did anyone receive their score yet for the September 29th Civil Service Police Exam held at North Quincy High School? Please let me know ASAP and reply by private message if you prefer.

Thank You



Posted by: ProudAmerican

I took the military make up exam on that day as well. I don't know when we'll get our results. I hope it's soon.



Posted by: copcar65

Everyone should keep optimisitc. I got hired with an 86. It was many years ago but the dept had five people lined up for an academy. One backed out and they started calling through the list looking for someone. Two others who got 86 and I were interviewed and I got the job.
A score by itself tells you nothing.
Don't get depressed and stay positive.



Posted by: 94c

Timing is everything. I know departments that have exhausted entire lists. By the time you get to the low 80's and high 70's these guys have a tendency to bring some baggage with them.



Posted by: 94c

This recent exam gets certified on November 1st. You would hope they would have the scores out by them.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

So do you guys think that there is really no chance for a person to get into another department besides the one they reside in? For instance, my residency is Methuen, but my other choices were Lawrence, Andover, and Lowell. I earned a 10 on the exam, that is all though, no other special preferences here. Would you say my chances are 0 to negative in getting on one of those other departments?



Posted by: PBiddy35

I think what people are going to tell you is THEY DON"T KNOW. There's always a chance that there aren't enough suitable candidates above you. Thats not to say its close to a 50/50 chance you'll have a job though. When the lists come out, you'll know where you stand a little bit. Maybe you'll get a card and maybe you won't. You've done everything within your power as you've scored as high as possible. Do like me and put it in the back of your mind. I know I do so by applying to 1000 pds in New England. You're up North, have you taken NHSP?



Posted by: FordMustang

Departments don't see if you are PT/Reserve certified right?



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by FordMustang
Departments don't see if you are PT/Reserve certified right?
No. Pt/Reserve may help if you are applying for the same department you are a reserve in. Outside of that it's pretty much useless since the reserve academy doesn't count towards a civil service police job.

You have to go to the full-time academy just like everyone else.



Posted by: COto50

If you want to get on a department where you aren't a resident then you should have Boston down. I know for a fact that they sent out cards to non residents last year. They didn't hire any because they took transfers instead, but there is still a chance you could get a card.



Posted by: ProudAmerican

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamJ1984
So do you guys think that there is really no chance for a person to get into another department besides the one they reside in? For instance, my residency is Methuen, but my other choices were Lawrence, Andover, and Lowell. I earned a 10 on the exam, that is all though, no other special preferences here. Would you say my chances are 0 to negative in getting on one of those other departments?
Unless you are fluent in a foreign language it is usually damn near impossible to get a card from a town you're not a resident of. However, I've heard of smaller civil service town with relatively short resident lists. Perhaps you might want to look at those.



Posted by: COto50

Proud American you would be surprised. I got hired as a non resident for a small town.



Posted by: JaneDoe

You all should know by now, you cant predict anything in this line of work. I have a good friend who is in the Boston academy now. she was a non res. until couple weeks prior to academy start date. anything is possible, no point in trying to predict it.



Posted by: 4198

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamJ1984
So do you guys think that there is really no chance for a person to get into another department besides the one they reside in? For instance, my residency is Methuen, but my other choices were Lawrence, Andover, and Lowell. I earned a 10 on the exam, that is all though, no other special preferences here. Would you say my chances are 0 to negative in getting on one of those other departments?

You got a decent score, "minorities" and females, vet's etc will come first, but resident preference will be a huge factor for many even getting the chance to interview. I would say (you) and anyone with a score of 10 will get an interview if their paperwork is in order, anyone below that better keep looking and dont wait for this to become anything more then a experience and (I am saying that with my band score of 9).

The way things are now a days, if your white you need a band score of 10 or to hold vet status, or be a female, otherwise your pretty much screwed like me. Sit back and watch, this is only the beginning.



Posted by: hawkeyz77

Got a 10 and have a master's degree will this help? Got Taunton, Brockton and New Bedford.



Posted by: AdamJ1984

So basically I should pack my bags and move out of state? That is the vibe I often get, it's very ironic because in most of the other areas within the country, they can't get enough applicants. This state just seems to be very political and very competitive, although getting on would prove that tides moved in the right manner.



Posted by: Dreamer

For people that scored very high on the test, you cant figure out what your number means online? If you actually just click the number of you score a little grid comes up and gives you the outline for the scores! 10=100-97 and so on. Good luck everyone, civil circus sucks.



Posted by: DrShredz

Quote:
Originally Posted by PBiddy35
I think what people are going to tell you is THEY DON"T KNOW. There's always a chance that there aren't enough suitable candidates above you. Thats not to say its close to a 50/50 chance you'll have a job though. When the lists come out, you'll know where you stand a little bit. Maybe you'll get a card and maybe you won't. You've done everything within your power as you've scored as high as possible. Do like me and put it in the back of your mind. I know I do so by applying to 1000 pds in New England. You're up North, have you taken NHSP?
I hear you bro. I am in the NHSP process as we speak which started in August. My background is done and now I am waiting on whether or not I am going to get a conditional offer of employment.



Posted by: misconceived

I get a kick out of all the heart broken people that end up on these threads. The scores came out days ago people.

It is a looong process. There may be some that get jobs off of this list, there will be a hell of a lot more that don't. If it's your first time taking the exam, you have a long road ahead of you. Don't fret over other people getting hired because they say they have a "9 or a 10" on some website.

There are also going to be alot of guys on here that say they "know" their department of choice is going to hire because so and so has family or friends on the department. They know dick. I have ALOT of family and friends on different departments and they tend to have no fuckin clue when these cards are going out.
When I walked into the station with my card last January everyone jumped on their phones to get the word out that the day had finally arrived. 2 Exams later than I was expecting I might add. Yes I had a high score. I was number 4 on my list for 2 damn years to no avail because of budgets. I took the exam again, and I can finally see the light on the horizon.

To end my rant just keep doing what you can to prepare for the career. Run your asses off, study up, and take as many exams as you can. Oh and stay the hell out of trouble!



Posted by: wryman

Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeyz77
Got a 10 and have a master's degree will this help? Got Taunton, Brockton and New Bedford.
Unless your a Vet...NO and NO...



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by wryman
Unless your a Vet...NO and NO...
Wrong.

He's applying for three pretty good shitholes. Society's norms say that many of these applicants with residency bring with them some baggage. Many departments can piss through a lot of residents and get to the non-residents. You just have to be willing to move into the city upon taking the job.

Naturally the bigger the department, the bigger the turnover and thus more hiring.

The big thing is domestic violence. Even without a conviction, have some domestics and old restraining orders on your BOP and you just might be passed over.

It'll be up to you to fight it as the department continues on it's hiring process.



Posted by: redsox03

Im sure it's hit and miss. Some 8s will get hired and some 10s will never even get a card in some cases. It will all depend on your picks, resicency, ect.



Posted by: L4G81

What about 7's? My fiance got a 7....non vet status, residency, white male. Just curious IF he has a chance at all or is he stuck at the Sheriff's Department....



Posted by: COto50

If you get a 7 it will definately depend on the town. Big towns/cities probably small towns probably not.



Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by L4G81
Just curious IF he has a chance at all or is he stuck at the Sheriff's Department....
I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. At least he realizes that so there is still hope



Posted by: HPD22

Quote:
Originally Posted by COto50
If you want to get on a department where you aren't a resident then you should have Boston down. I know for a fact that they sent out cards to non residents last year. They didn't hire any because they took transfers instead, but there is still a chance you could get a card.
That is incorrect. They hired non-residents and took laterals.



Posted by: ProudAmerican

Quote:
Originally Posted by HPD22
That is incorrect. They hired non-residents and took laterals.

I heard the same thing, but the group of non-residents they hired was off the language list. At least that's what I was told.



Posted by: HPD22

Quote:
Originally Posted by ProudAmerican
I heard the same thing, but the group of non-residents they hired was off the language list. At least that's what I was told.
It was off the regular list. They "exhausted" the resident list and hired non residents, However recruits had to establish residency before the academy started.



Posted by: redsox03

That is good to know.



Posted by: OPD05

Non-vet white male with a 10...ready to wait. Anyone know of good reserve departments south of Boston hiring in the meantime? Alreday hove reserve academy and 2 years exp. -thanks!



Posted by: Macop

I remember the days of floping around like a fish, wanting to get on so bad I could taste it, man, it sucks to be you guys.



Posted by: redsox03

Quote:
Originally Posted by Macop
I remember the days of floping around like a fish, wanting to get on so bad I could taste it, man, it sucks to be you guys.
That taste in your mouth was semen.



Posted by: Foxy85

Bwah ha ha ha



Posted by: Macop

Well you always were a rather maly man. Hey Foxy what r u laughing at, we all know if you get on how youll be climbing the ladder.



Posted by: OfficerBeyotch

I scored a 10, non-vet, chose residency.



Posted by: Foxy85

Sucking ass straight to the top baby.....haha





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