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Posted by: Delta784

http://www.gatehousenewsservice.com/...ws/x1681077538

BOSTON - The state’s public transit police say a shortage of resources and personnel are forcing them to use “smoke and mirror” techniques to give the public a sense of security.

Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority Transit Police representatives testified at a State House hearing Tuesday on a proposed merger with the State Police, saying they can no longer protect subways, commuter rails, buses, trolleys or boats from terrorist attacks or other threats without the help of their state counterparts.

“It’s a false sense of security,” Michael Flanagan, legislative liaison for the MBTA Police Sergeant’s Association, told a skeptical Public Safety Committee. “We had cadaver-sniffing dogs on the trains. People thought they were looking for explosives. I don’t think we had any dead bodies in the bags … but this is what we do to make people feel safe.”

Flanagan also said the 257 transit police officers are stationed at turnstiles and other strategic locations where the highest number of commuters can see them, instead of being able to patrol freely for problems.

The association estimates it needs an additional 500 new officers, which carries a $17 million price tag, to adequately police public transportation.

State Police firmly opposed the merger, estimating it would cost the state $23 million for equipment, training and salaries in the first year alone.

“While I can sympathize with my brother law enforcement agency, merging does not solve these problems,” said David Cortes, secretary of the State Police Association. “We do not have an additional 480 officers.”

State Police worried that merging the autonomous forces would create tension, seniority problems, and possible litigation over benefit changes.

Sen. Stephen Brewer, D-Barre, pointed to the absence of Public Safety Secretary Kevin Burke and Transportation Secretary Bernard Cohen as an indication that the MBTA police are reaching for solutions without the support of the administration.

Brewer suggested pushing for more money in next year’s budget to hire new officers.

Flanagan countered saying that despite graduating more than 100 officers over the past six years, the MBTA has only seen a net increase of 19 officers.

“This isn’t the best practices we’re looking for, we’re looking for serious protection for the transit system. We’re losing officers in droves,” Flanagan said, attributing the low retention rates to officers wanting to perform less security duty and more community policing.

The MBTA currently has one officer for every 5,058 riders, compared to the national average of one officer to every 1,759 riders.

MetroWest (Mass.) Daily News staff writer Lindsey Parietti can be reached at lindsey.parietti@cnc.com.

Posted by: Killjoy

Maybe they should look long and hard at their officer's salaries, benefits and the relationship of their command officers to the rank-and-file. An officer truly happy where he is will stay where he is...if your salary is not competitive or your work environment is crappy, don't be surprised if the officers "vote with their feet".

Many departments deal with retention problems....but they try to recruit new officers rather than whining about how they need to merge with a bigger agency. I find it hard to believe in this state that if the MBTA took serious steps to up their manning and hold a number of new classes, highly qualified candidates wouldn't be beating down their door.

Posted by: 187

Exactly Killjoy. Pay them a salary on par with the surrounding cities. Put them into the group 4 retirement pension system. If short staffed, hire more.

How could a merger add the 500 cops needed. Do they think that guys working other assignments will be re-stationed to the T? Wouldn't that leave their current assignment understaffed?

Don't you love this state? If it doesn't work, try it again.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by Killjoy

Maybe they should look long and hard at their officer's salaries, benefits and the relationship of their command officers to the rank-and-file. An officer truly happy where he is will stay where he is...if your salary is not competitive or your work environment is crappy, don't be surprised if the officers "vote with their feet".

The sad thing is, when I got out of the Army the T Police was the job to have. The base pay was excellent with almost unlimited OT & details, cutting edge equipment....guys were leaving town PD's to go there.

After Bratton left, the place got run into the ground to the point it's now a mass exodus. My wife used to be the secretary for the T Police Chief, and I was appalled at how many T cops just plain resigned from the department. Not laterals, they just up & quit.

Posted by: rg1283

I think a lot of it has to do with all of the above and the fact that the T Police are over looked. Ever been to NYC, not withstanding the NYPD merged the Transit police into the NYPD, the NYPD Transit police have officers actively patroling and at atleast every other station it seems, usually in groups of 2. On the T you would be lucky to see any officers throughout a long trip on the system. Its mostly management of the T Police and all of what the posters mentioned above in my opinion. Considering how many people use the T system everyday it is amazing that nothing bad has happened yet.

Another issue is the lack of Rail Road Police. Providence & Worcester Railroad have no police and the RR with the big building on the North Shore Boston and Maine or whatever has had deep cuts in the RR Police Depts. Whats needed is an inquiry on why these companies have cut their RR Police depts. and or outside DHS money to fund them.

Posted by: MM1799

Ugh, not this merger again.

tpr cortese spelled it out: The SP does not have 400+ extra troopers to spare. While the last 3 classes have done much to beef up staffing levels; it is temporary. Like every other class, generally after a few years the new recruits replace the retirees and veteran troopers who decide to move onto speciality units. The system works. You cannot possibly expect the State Police to keep up its staffing levels and provide the quality of policing the public expects if all of a sudden they need to start patrolling extra areas with the same numbers.

To add to Killjoy & Delta's comments, I am sure the rank & file would love to see their agency spend its time trying to resurrect itself and become diserable again instead of just wasting everyone's time by teasing the idea of becoming troopers.

Posted by: chief801

The T Sergeants' position doesn't make any sense. They are complaining about being strategically stationed at 257 locations of high visibility. That offers more security than randomly strolling around in pairs. People know where you are and can get you when needed. I'm not saying eliminate random patrol, but it has been proven time after time that random patrol does nothing to stop crime. Let's face it, if a crime is committed, wouldn't the exits/entrances be a good place to secure. The concept of containment anyone?

Translation: "We don't like standing at static posts." Where are the statistics supporting the ineffectiveness of the current tactics? Has there been an appreciable increase in crime on the T since implementation? News flash...walking around the subway in pairs will not stop a terrorist attack. Standing at the entrance and trying to stop someone from entering who may cause the attack will!

They also talk about how great Bratton was. Well, part of Bratton's success in NY Transit was precisely standing at the turnstyles!

Positions based on possibility versus probability are never very convincing...

Posted by: BrickCop

Some good points...that's like the Coast Guard complaining that they have to ride boats or Housing cops complaining that they have to work in the projects.

Posted by: wolf9848

I don't think i've ever seen any transit cops actually get out of there vehicle to do a foot patrol down in the subway. I always see them parked outside the station in the crusiers. MBTA was one of the Departments I put on my "wish list". Hopefully morale will go up with the new Cheif who took over.

Posted by: capesgt

Did Joe Carter leave after his new appointment by the Governor? Who is the new Chief?

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by capesgt

Did Joe Carter leave after his new appointment by the Governor? Who is the new Chief?

He did leave, they have an acting chief now.

Posted by: SinePari

Sgt Collura dusted off his letter from LAST YEAR, and reprinted it in the Trooper newspaper that came out yesterday. After training up the MBTA officers, issuing MSP gear, uniforms, and not to mention cruisers...(remember how the fleet suffered last time; clown-car commutes for 3 years), how will that save the state money?

(Paraphrasing the good Sgt's letter) You can see this in the works with Dan Conley appointing MSP to MBTA investigations on their property. (If there was a merger, I would want SPAM to request the roster from 1 year prior, just to make sure they don't all promote themselves before switching uniforms). Then they'll start heading into plum assignments, thus bumping junior troopers to stand at train stations.

Bailing out financially-strapped departments shouldn't be the burden of any department.

Posted by: Dane

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Originally Posted by Delta784

“We had cadaver-sniffing dogs on the trains. People thought they were looking for explosives.

Not true. Sgt Flanagan went before this committee citing rumor and he was very quickly called on it. The MSP did not send one cadaver dog in July 2005. The only MSP canines that assisted on MBTA property were explosives detecting dogs assigned to the Bomb Squad. One would think that a guy pushing for a decision that will directly affect the lives of a few thousand police officers would have his ducks in a row.

Posted by: j809

I don't see this merger happening ever. If anyone else would be close to a merger with MSP it would have been the EPOs. MBTA have a different retirement system, it would just create a clusterf*ck.

Posted by: chief801

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Originally Posted by j809

I don't see this merger happening ever. If anyone else would be close to a merger with MSP it would have been the EPOs. MBTA have a different retirement system, it would just create a clusterf*ck.

...and HPD Yimmie! They called and they want YOU!

Posted by: Tuna

MSP and the EPO's will never merge. The state doesn't have the money for that many new GREEN uniforms.

Posted by: j809

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Originally Posted by chief801

...and HPD Yimmie! They called and they want YOU!

I heard its the place to be.

Posted by: dcs2244

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Originally Posted by Tuna

MSP and the EPO's will never merge. The state doesn't have the money for that many new GREEN uniforms.

If the MSP had to merge, the EPO's are the likely candidates! They have a "speciality" and enjoy their chosen line of work. Most would stay where they are. The problem is not the EPO's, but the fact that they are the "private army" of whatever department they work for...much as the MDC and Registry folks were.

No bureaucrat gives up POWER willingly.

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Posted by: Macop

I doubt the EPOS would want to merge, the ones I know cry foul when ever I bring it up.

Posted by: HousingCop

The SP and the T will never merge, blah, blah, blah. I heard the same thing back in 1989 and 2 1/2 years later, viola'. Newly minted troopers.

While the Met's were the premier Law Enforcement within the Commonwealth, they dragged the MSP / RT's (add snicker here ) into the 20th Century. They had 800 MHZ radios that actually worked, MDT's in the cars, 2 brand new helicopters, boats, DUKW's, and a host of other stuff. They had all this stuff in the mid to late 80's.
They also brought a lawsuit and now everybody who was on in 1992 can stay till they are 100 or old & grey, which some are.

The SP won't want to ride the rails. They will get their pretty blues all grimy in the subway, their funny hubcap hats will get knocked off each time they step on a train, and they won't like the kick-ass 22 year pension the T provides. Oh, and they might actually see a crime commited.

Posted by: RPD931

Transit PD is in serious need of some revamping and morale boosting. Carter screwed that place up so much... he was the prime cause of the huge turnover rate and people just leaving even when they didn't have another job. The new/acting Chief needs to step up to the plate and make some positive changes. Does anyone know what the current acting Chief is like?

Posted by: Killjoy

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While the Met's were the premier Law Enforcement within the Commonwealth, they dragged the MSP / RT's (add snicker here ) into the 20th Century. They had 800 MHZ radios that actually worked, MDT's in the cars, 2 brand new helicopters, boats, DUKW's, and a host of other stuff. They had all this stuff in the mid to late 80's.
They also brought a lawsuit and now everybody who was on in 1992 can stay till they are 100 or old & grey, which some are.

Unless you mean the "most corrupt" and "inept" law enforcement agency, I'm not sure what you mean by "premier". Many mets didn't want to merge for the simple fact that it would put them under scrutiny. I have heard much about how for instance; the old Met station would run this area with a desk and 5 and the Troopers only run a desk and 2, so the Mets must have been better. Wrong, it might have said that on paper, but in reality you had one or two officers patrolling and the other three home, at the bar or with their girlfriend's. The only reason the Mets got better equipment then the MSP was the fact that Dukakis hated the MSP. He wanted to build his own private police force, and wasted much the taxpayers money on it. This made the Mets roundly hated by both the Boston Police and the MSP, quite a feat. When the Duke left, and the Mets ran out friends, everyone realized what a waste they were, they were merged. That brought us the glory of the "midnight promotions", and "instant officers", where dozens were instantly promoted and people with job titles like "crossing guard" suddenly found themselves in possession of a brand new MSP badge. As you noted, while with the MSP they have added such worthwhile things like the "never-ending career" and lawsuits so you can wear a beard (which failed).

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The SP won't want to ride the rails. They will get their pretty blues all grimy in the subway, their funny hubcap hats will get knocked off each time they step on a train, and they won't like the kick-ass 22 year pension the T provides. Oh, and they might actually see a crime commited.

Well, we do run into some crime by accident, on occasion. And our campaign covers wouldn't fit to well on the orange line. The T's "kick-ass" pension is so good I notice the MSP deserting in droves to join the T police.

Posted by: nirtallica

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Originally Posted by HousingCop

The SP and the T will never merge, blah, blah, blah. I heard the same thing back in 1989 and 2 1/2 years later, viola'. Newly minted troopers.

While the Met's were the premier Law Enforcement within the Commonwealth, they dragged the MSP / RT's (add snicker here ) into the 20th Century. They had 800 MHZ radios that actually worked, MDT's in the cars, 2 brand new helicopters, boats, DUKW's, and a host of other stuff. They had all this stuff in the mid to late 80's.
They also brought a lawsuit and now everybody who was on in 1992 can stay till they are 100 or old & grey, which some are.

The SP won't want to ride the rails. They will get their pretty blues all grimy in the subway, their funny hubcap hats will get knocked off each time they step on a train, and they won't like the kick-ass 22 year pension the T provides. Oh, and they might actually see a crime commited.

Shit stirrer!

Posted by: kojack1

Posted by: HousingCop

Yeah, I like to take that stick out of my back pocket & stir the pot once in a while in here. Yeah, some Mets were corrupt as well as some MSP guys. You get the good & the bad in every pot. As for Boston cops hating the Mets, well they have certain districts hating other districts & specialized units. Being blacklisted by them is really a badge of honor if you ask me.

The MDC backed the Duke on his second spin at the corner office while the MSP backed an incumbant, King. Your guy lost, hence you got the budget shaft. Let's face it, the MSP guys were working off a low band with the whip antenna / circa 1925 radio with NO portables while the Metro guys had computers next to them. Mets were communicating on state of the art portables 800 MHZ radios while the MSP was sending smoke signals from barracks to barracks. After the merge, the MSP sold both Metro helicoptors which were almost brand new and had less hours flying than the Vietnam era Hueys that were donated by the Army to the MSP. That was REAL smart. Next time, spend the money and put some Gas Dry in your fuel tanks.
I never heard the "Crossing Guard" cum trooper story. Must be legend and lore as alot of the stories tend to be.

Getting back on track, if you start your career or lateral into the Transit Police, you pretty much know what you're getting into. Working for an Authority in this fair Commonwealth sucks because you've got people who know nothing about Police work micro-managing your department as if they were the cleaning crew / landscapers and they treat you the same way at the bargaining table. I can see their reasoning on why they want this to happen but if they give you lemons, you make lemonade, right? HC

Posted by: Dane

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Next time, spend the money and put some Gas Dry in your fuel tanks.

It takes some real seeds to shit on guys who died on the line of duty. You're a class act.

Posted by: BrickCop

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Originally Posted by Dane

It takes some real seeds to shit on guys who died on the line of duty. You're a class act.

Dane, I think HC will be taking that one back. It was thoughtless but I think it was more of a flippant remark aimed the respective agencies, not an attempt to dishonor the dead troopers.

Posted by: Robert35

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Originally Posted by BrickCop

Dane, I think HC will be taking that one back. It was thoughtless but I think it was more of a flippant remark aimed the respective agencies, not an attempt to dishonor the dead troopers.

He should read it before he Post it.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by HousingCop

Never been to Springfield or Holyoke, eh?

You certainly are a Supercop!

Posted by: dcs2244

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Originally Posted by HousingCop

Let's face it, the MSP guys were working off a low band with the whip antenna / circa 1925 radio with NO portables while the Metro guys had computers next to them. Mets were communicating on state of the art portables 800 MHZ radios while the MSP was sending smoke signals from barracks to barracks. After the merge, the MSP sold both Metro helicoptors which were almost brand new and had less hours flying than the Vietnam era Hueys that were donated by the Army to the MSP. That was REAL smart. Next time, spend the money and put some Gas Dry in your fuel tanks.

HC, the METS did not have 800 MC radios: they had 400 MC radios and were part of the BAPERN deal...which was a model of corruption, with several PD's being assigned the same freqs (additional freqs...MIT's main freq was a Newton PD tertiary freq.).

Too, the MDC did have new helicopters...which were unable to get airborne with the equipment the MDC spec'd...in effect, they couldn't do the job. As far as the MSP Air Wing was concerned...they did what they could with the funds provided. Was it right? No. But the troopers worked there regardless, knowing the risk. Was it right? No. Such is the dedication of individuals of the MSP serving the Commonwealth.

Further, I fail to understand why many believe that the 800 MC system is superior to the 40 MC band. The 800 MC system has limited range, thus the need for many repeaters. Especially in Troop B (terrain issue). The low band offered the most efficient/effective method of communication for a state wide agency. By the way, hand held radios were available for the lowband via vehicle mounted repeaters.

Other than that, how's it going HC? I haven't been around as my PC "essed the bed". Sorry to disagree with you, but even the BPD guys refer to the Mets as "squirrel-chasers"

"Make Way For Ducklings", everyone!

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Posted by: HousingCop

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Originally Posted by Dane

It takes some real seeds to shit on guys who died on the line of duty. You're a class act.

Hey Great Dane, show me where in my post where I shit on guys killed in the line of duty? I am getting to a point where the Administration shitcans 2 perfectly good helicopters because they aren't MSP issued. You're an asshat to try to connect my comment with those 2 guys dying. I happened to have delivered papers for 6 years to the Mattaliano family in the 70's and knew them pretty well. So..... GFY.
I am not taking my comment back BrickCop. You are right on the money though. it's a remark aimed at the agency, not the cops involved. If Dane & Robert35 choose to read into it that I am dishonoring ANY cop that has sacrificed in the line of duty, then they must not know how I roll, and are complete crankers. I stand by it because in the end, that's what happened. They used shit gas with water in it that froze up when they went airborne. It's not their fault, it's the administrations fault for being Cheap Charlie and running a million dollar operation on a 250K budget.

If I were on the T, I'd know in advance what it's all about and stay there. Plenty of crime on the T and plenty of advancement. At least they have a retirement age of 70, not 100.

Posted by: Killjoy

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I never heard the "Crossing Guard" cum trooper story. Must be legend and lore as alot of the stories tend to be.

No...absolutely, 100% true. I have met two individuals who worked with the crossing guard, who was promoted to Met officer (with no police training), who was then promoted to trooper. Long since retired, but she carries a retired trooper ID. Another victory for the sham organization called the Mets.

Posted by: Delta784

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Originally Posted by dcs2244

The Mets did have 800mhz radios, the Motorola STX portables with the "sword" antennas.

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Originally Posted by dcs2244

Further, I fail to understand why many believe that the 800 MC system is superior to the 40 MC band. The 800 MC system has limited range, thus the need for many repeaters. Especially in Troop B (terrain issue). The low band offered the most efficient/effective method of communication for a state wide agency. By the way, hand held radios were available for the lowband via vehicle mounted repeaters.

800mhz is great if you have proper repeater coverage, which is difficult even in a city. When I was with the Boston Housing PD we went to 800mhz, but they have since gone back to the UHF band.

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Originally Posted by dcs2244

Other than that, how's it going HC? I haven't been around as my PC "essed the bed". Sorry to disagree with you, but even the BPD guys refer to the Mets as "squirrel-chasers"

That's nothing, you should hear what they call you guys.

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by HousingCop

the MSP guys were working off a low band with the whip antenna / circa 1925 radio with NO portables while the Metro guys had computers next to them. Mets were communicating on state of the art portables 800 MHZ radios while the MSP was sending smoke signals from barracks to barracks.

I've never had a computer and the 800Mhz doesn't work for shit in 1/2 of C Troop and 3/4 of B Troop, and still find a way to make it home at night. Guess what? Tomorrow's payday!

3 rules that most guys never figure out:

SHOW UP
SHUT UP
GET PAID

Posted by: chief801

Wouldn't this all be very easy if everyone could figure this out? WE DO A BETTER JOB AT MAKING THIS JOB SUCK THAN ANYONE ELSE DOES!

Posted by: Dane

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GFY

Obviously, a trooper is banging your old lady.

Posted by: HousingCop

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Originally Posted by Dane

Obviously, a trooper is banging your old lady.

I don't have an "old lady". Me & my partner share yours.
Oh, and a "Yo'Momma' so fat" joke may be coming next, so watch out. Putz.

Posted by: nevrehc

Housing Cop -

First, F U!

Second, you do not have the background or knowledge to speak about our tragedies. F U for even hinting that dry gas would have prevented four lives from unnecessarily dying that tragic day.

You rant as if you are some seasoned veteran of all that is police. You have no idea what it is like to walk in the field boots of an MSP trooper. You assume, slander, divide and shun the work of many excellent troopers. We succeed, conquer and continue on in spite of piss ants like you.

Just because we have not stepped over a piss soaked, crack smoking, needling junkie on our way to the office every day does not mean you are in a position to get on a soap box an lecture us about our JOB.

C- (The big C) , as I will call you. You have no idea what the world is like outside your misaligned brick walls.

Anytime, anyplace, at any location in the great state of MA I would love to educate you on the day to day ops of a MSP Trooper. If you want to climb a mountain in search of remains of a plain crash, search for a lost hiker, walk as a decoy in Roxbury (or any city or town), bicycle on a DCR path or beach, handle a hazardous explosive device, then render said device safe, investigate a arson fire, buy drugs while undercover, arrest a suspect for murder, protect a LNG tanker both under water and above water, answer a domestic in a rural area without backup, radio or cell service, provide Presidential escorts in a snow storm on bikes, arrest a felon for murder, take a 209A victims statement on a holiday weekend, provide tactical responses any time any where in the state, extract crucial microscopic evidence at a murder scene, photograph all evidence at any scene, interrogate a murder suspect, arrest a murder suspect for murder, even respond to the noise complaints in the parks, beaches, highways, towns and cities of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. (I know I left out the other half of the MSP, sorry; angry, late and P O!)

So, that being said I think you are wrong; we have the credibility to request an apology. If you do not respond with one I request you forever be removed from this board as you are not a COP!!! Furthermore I request you remove yourself as being a cop, you are not one of us. The cops I know protect each other as much as we protect the public!!

Any time you want to meet for a coffee and be educated about my job I would be more than willing to travel and buy the coffee!!

I will see if I can get you a ride in the bird, I'm sure you would love it! Especially since it's not below freezing yet! We could ride over all your A O R and try to help you do your job, in spite of your anti MSP retoric.

Posted by: OutOfManyOne

HousingCop is just a stressed out individual that seems to know everyone and everything about every PD in the Commonwealth but seems to have a hard time getting on any municipal or state PD.

Posted by: Redleg13D

Different agencies with different missions... wouldn't this be similar to merging the Air Force [back] into the Army? or merging the Sox to the Pats?

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

HousingCop is just a stressed out individual that seems to know everyone and everything about every PD in the Commonwealth but seems to have a hard time getting on any municipal or state PD.

Ed is apparently stressed-out I'll agree. He's also known for being verrrrrry straight forward in relating his views. I certainly don't agree with them all.
Just stay out of the reach of his chain-collar and he won't be able to bite you!

Posted by: MM1799

Yikes..

Excellent post nevrehc! However don't even waste your time awknowledging HC. He likes to search for State Police threads and make incendiary remarks and tries to back them up with ludicrious assumptions and stupid comments. He enjoys seeing an informative thread turn into a shit-slinging thread or just an anti-MSP thread. It's some sort of stupid crusade for the little guys he is on. We don't need to explain or defend our job to some hero behind a computer.

I suspect he's just angry because he missed the boat on the Clerk-to-Trooper success story!

Posted by: HousingCop

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Originally Posted by OutOfManyOne

HousingCop is just a stressed out individual that seems to know everyone and everything about every PD in the Commonwealth but seems to have a hard time getting on any municipal or state PD.

Pefectly happy where I am here. As for commenting on certain jobs, topics, discussions, yes I have strong opinions. Who in Law Enforcement doesn't? I never said I was an expert on anything in here. Seems to be ALOT of experts on this board though, but in my experience, there is no such thing as an expert. Only people with varying degrees of ignorance. And some of you on here (including me on occasions) fly the "Expert" flag very proudly.

nevrehc,
Your job and mine, while similar in nature, differ tremendously. Seems there's a small group of troopers on here who think their job is the end all of Law Enforcement. Some agree, some disagree. I just happen to be in the latter. What good is a discussion board if we can't have differences of opinion?

Some of you see my comments as a slander at officers who have died in the line of duty. Nothing further from the truth. Read back my statements if you can't comprehend where I am going, and where I have come from.

Now, as to getting back on topic, which alot of you seem to get away from, the T shouldn't merge. It's a distinct agency with a different agenda dedicated to a certain mission. They get the job done, and then some. They just need the right Police leadership with a hands off from the MBTA Administration. Let them be and let them take care of business. Give them a contract that is deserving of their services and you won't see the high turn over rate. My hat is off to them. HC

Posted by: Dane

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I don't have an "old lady". Me & my partner share yours.
Oh, and a "Yo'Momma' so fat" joke may be coming next, so watch out. Putz.

"Putz" and momma jokes. You're really cutting to the bone now, kid. Shaking in my field boots here. Another keyboard warrior sniveling in mom's basement. Tell us again about what kickass cop you are, how you've seen more action than anyone else on this board. Tell us how the suckball Troopers with the silly hats would never have the stones to walk your beat in the projects. Face it, your schtick is getting pretty old around here. Nobody gives a f*ck about how salty you think you are. You've proven over the years that you're NOT one of the boys. Just some malcontent loser whose greatest victory is to belittle other cops without consequence on an anonymous message board.

Don't think for a second that you can come on the State Police board and throw rocks at deceased Troopers who gave their lives doing their jobs and not have a few of them bounce back at you. I'm all for crticism and some interagency ribbing, however your crap has just plain worn thin. I have a ton of respect for a guy like Delta because he has a tougher job than most (union president working under an anti-union chief), and can point out an agency's shortcomings and back it up with facts. You are just a bitchy whiner whose opinion has proven worthless around here. And for chrissake, learn how to turn off the bold type.

And hey, your incessant fellating of the Mets is just plain weird.

Posted by: HousingCop

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Originally Posted by Dane

You've just proved my point Great Dane, some on here think it's their "State Police Board" and treat it as such. Last I heard, this was Masscops, not your own personal message board where you & you ilk can give each other pats on the back for a job well done. You're the one who started slinging the bows & arrows over "old lady's being boned by troopers" and the crap you spew is just too funny.
Yeah, I walk a beat. I meet people and deal with some situations other cops will never see. As I will never see some of the weird and eclectic things other cops in different agencies will see.

I never came on here & threw rocks at deceased troopers. You guys inferred from my remark that I did. I knew one of them before and during the time he was a trooper. Take a reading comprehension course, re-read what I have wrote, then come back to me. When somebody throws a rock at me on this board like you did, I throw a brick back. That's where I work and got plenty of ammo here.

Now how about staying on topic in your response?

Posted by: Wolfman

Are we done here yet guys?

Posted by: BrickCop

See HC...I'm not the only one annoyed by the bold type. I doubt the student body at the Perkins School for the Blind logs on here, shut it off will you please?

Posted by: SinePari

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Originally Posted by nevrehc

Housing Cop -

First, F U!

Second, you do not have the background or knowledge to speak about our tragedies. F U for even hinting that dry gas would have prevented four lives from unnecessarily dying that tragic day.

You rant as if you are some seasoned veteran of all that is police. You have no idea what it is like to walk in the field boots of an MSP trooper. You assume, slander, divide and shun the work of many excellent troopers. We succeed, conquer and continue on in spite of piss ants like you.

Just because we have not stepped over a piss soaked, crack smoking, needling junkie on our way to the office every day does not mean you are in a position to get on a soap box an lecture us about our JOB.

C- (The big C) , as I will call you. You have no idea what the world is like outside your misaligned brick walls.

Anytime, anyplace, at any location in the great state of MA I would love to educate you on the day to day ops of a MSP Trooper. If you want to climb a mountain in search of remains of a plain crash, search for a lost hiker, walk as a decoy in Roxbury (or any city or town), bicycle on a DCR path or beach, handle a hazardous explosive device, then render said device safe, investigate a arson fire, buy drugs while undercover, arrest a suspect for murder, protect a LNG tanker both under water and above water, answer a domestic in a rural area without backup, radio or cell service, provide Presidential escorts in a snow storm on bikes, arrest a felon for murder, take a 209A victims statement on a holiday weekend, provide tactical responses any time any where in the state, extract crucial microscopic evidence at a murder scene, photograph all evidence at any scene, interrogate a murder suspect, arrest a murder suspect for murder, even respond to the noise complaints in the parks, beaches, highways, towns and cities of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. (I know I left out the other half of the MSP, sorry; angry, late and P O!)

So, that being said I think you are wrong; we have the credibility to request an apology. If you do not respond with one I request you forever be removed from this board as you are not a COP!!! Furthermore I request you remove yourself as being a cop, you are not one of us. The cops I know protect each other as much as we protect the public!!

Any time you want to meet for a coffee and be educated about my job I would be more than willing to travel and buy the coffee!!

I will see if I can get you a ride in the bird, I'm sure you would love it! Especially since it's not below freezing yet! We could ride over all your A O R and try to help you do your job, in spite of your anti MSP retoric.

Dude, are we in the same department? Cause that's alot of baseball, Chevys and apple pie there. I stood at attention while reading it

Posted by: Sniper

I would rather jerk off with a handful of rusty thumbtacks than read any more of that douchebags posts........... I ALSO thought he was disrespecting those dead MSP guys and I did not read into the post.......

and btw DB, those guys never said this was a State Police board. last I checked though you were posting your verbal diarrhea in the STATE POLICE forum.

Gil, can you please make an "almost a municipal cop" forum so that HC can post blender recipes for other people his age who need to blend their steaks to ingest them.

Posted by: j809

You guys are too funny. Got to get together for a pow-wow.

Posted by: 94c

I guess we're ahead of last year's pace.

It usually takes 20 degree weather, no details, no overtime, before we get to this stage.

gonna be a loooonnnngggg winter.

Posted by: j809

It has been very slow on details.

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by j809

It has been very slow on details.

Not for us...the hotly contested mayoral election has supplied us with a whole bunch of road paving projects.

The mayor can't make the trains run on-time, so he'll pave your street.

Posted by: SinePari

Quote:

Originally Posted by j809

It has been very slow on details.

H Troop gave one to an EPO on 495 last night. Our guys shouldn't be bitchin' this winter. Have car, will travel.

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

A little birdie told me the DIs at the T academy were quite vocal towards their T recruits about the state police during the 1st week of the academy. Any truth to the rumors?

Posted by: WaterPistola

chic what is wrong with you? do you win a big bet if they do merge or something? just let it die

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Any truth to the rumors?

WTF????????????

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

No dur, I just heard the T DIs were bad mouthing all the local academies and the State Police Academy. They were saying that thier academy was the best and all others sux.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Shit Stirrer

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

Not a stirer I just repeating what my friend told me when he came home from day one MBTA

Posted by: MM1799

You're an idiot.
End of story.

Posted by: fightingsolveseverything

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevrehc

Yes, you did forget a few. After that amazingly moving jack nicholson'ish-few good men- rant i was truely shocked to see that they'd have time to do this as well.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...y_for_big_dig/

i heard a trooper is going to be pitching relief for the sox's this year,,kicker,, he'll be on duty at the time.. they really can do it all.

i'd love to meet for a free cup of joe, if that's an open offer.

you need to loosen the tie a bit it's cutting off circulation. you're starting to embarrass the organization you seem to love so much. FSE

Posted by: RodneyFarva

someone please get rid of her...

Posted by: 78thrifleman

exactly what kind of badge do you carry? because with the penchant for drama that you have, I shudder to think that you might actually carry a gun

Posted by: badgebunny

Quote:

Originally Posted by 78thrifleman

exactly what kind of badge do you carry? because with the penchant for drama that you have, I shudder to think that you might actually carry a gun

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgebunny

BB! We ALL know that you went to New Braintree and can take any T-Fag graduate with your right arm tied to your tail!

Posted by: badgebunny

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

BB! We ALL know that you went to New Braintree and can take any T-Fag graduate with your right arm tied to your tail!

So true, so true mpd!!! No one will ever beat "bunny"!!!

Posted by: MM1799

Quote:

Originally Posted by fightingsolveseverything

you need to loosen the tie a bit it's cutting off circulation. you're starting to embarrass the organization you seem to love so much. FSE

That is easily the funniest thing I've read here in a LONG time. "nevrehc embarassing the MSP."
If you knew anything you'd realize how idiotic that statement really is.
Stick to threads you actually have a clue about; you are starting to embarrass yourself.

Posted by: Hb13

I am going to go ahead and second RodneyFarva's motion to get Chicwith"badge" the hell out of here all that idiot does is stir the pot and it is getting really f*cking annoying.

Posted by: RodneyFarva

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hb13

I am going to go ahead and second RodneyFarva's motion to get Chicwith"badge" the hell out of here all that idiot does is stir the pot and it is getting really f*cking annoying.

Thank you sir, lets put it to a vote.

Posted by: WaterPistola

in favor

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

I vote "NAY" boys. Don't like my attitude, deal with it. I could beat up Badge Bunny w/ one hand tied behind my back, and I felt like it.

P.S. I heard the "Route 1 Alliance" is in charge of Route 1 until 2:00 when the MSP takes over.

Posted by: badgebunny

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

I vote "NAY" boys. Don't like my attitude, deal with it. I could beat up Badge Bunny w/ one hand tied behind my back, and I felt like it.

P.S. I heard the "Route 1 Alliance" is in charge of Route 1 until 2:00 when the MSP takes over.

Listen you troll....you could NEVER beat me up...I don't care if you tie a hand behind your back or not...and ALL of the members will back me on this one!!!

As for you being banned from here, don't think the "boys" (as you say) will back you...they don't like you and neither do the female types. All you do is stir up s*** and have never said anything that was useful or that you could back up with fact. You must have the thickest skull ever because you don't understand that...either that or you are just ****** (fill in the blank)

I feel sorry for the guys/gals that work with you...what a nightmare it must be to have you as backup....YIKES!!! How the hell did you ever become a cop? And as far as you having a gun...wow I don't even want to think about that!!!

I am sooo done with you and your dumbass comments and posts...time for you to leave!!!

Posted by: resqjyw0

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

What are you still doing here?

Looking at your rep, from what I've seen you have by far outdone any other registered member on this site, ever. That speaks wonders... So take the hint and get out of here.

Posted by: sluggie371

Knowing HC and knowing how many times he has been banned for being a shit stirrer. It suprises me A: that long time members responded to his off the wall comments and B

n what other job other than the T can you have less that 8 yes 8 years on the job but not only be the former T patrolmans union president but also have the time to make SGT. and move right into another union position like Mike Flannagan aka honor grad of the 7th MPOC

. This forum is just susepitable to Shit stirrers. Be they Housing Cops who wished they stay with the Muni's ie I WOULD BE A BOSTON COP NOW or a fustrated T cop who has worked him self into a position were he is nice and comfy and wants all the perks with out earning it. AND that will end my 1 am rant. GOD I LOVE WORKING MIDS.

Posted by: USMCMP5811

Quote:

Originally Posted by sluggie371

Knowing HC and knowing how many times he has been banned for being a shit stirrer. It suprises me A: that long time members responded to his off the wall comments and B

Ok Mr 9 post wonder, who in the blue hell are you to be slamming T cops, or any other cop for that matter to come off with your retoric here?

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by sluggie371

This forum is just susepitable to Shit stirrers.

Pot? Kettle? Black?

Posted by: wgciv

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCMP5811

Ok Mr 9 post wonder, who in the blue hell are you to be slamming T cops, or any other cop for that matter to come off with your retoric here?

Based on the fact that his join date is less than 6 months ago, yet claims to know much about the site and how many times HC has been banned... I'm guessing he's a former unfavorable member of the board who recently purchased one of those new .50 screen names from Snipe.

Posted by: USMCMP5811

Quote:

Originally Posted by wgciv

The Mall Ninja now has a following......

Posted by: sluggie371

There is always those who think just because you don't have rank it means you don't know what is going on. Remeber if no one replies to you comments then you just talking to your self. Even this love fest runs on comment from the likes of my self. And I payed Snipe a $1.00 so I guess I got screwed.

Posted by: j809

If you learned to spell and improve your sentence composition skills, then you might be able to be a police officer someday.

Posted by: Hb13

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

I vote "NAY" boys. Don't like my attitude, deal with it. I could beat up Badge Bunny w/ one hand tied behind my back, and I felt like it.

It has nothing to do with your attitude. It has to do with the fact that you're an absolute idiot shit stirrer who in making a post on this site usually does so in an attempt to start some sort of fight and or issue with other members.
As for beating up badge bunny. I personally think she'd mop the floor with you.

Posted by: Q5-TPR

I put my money on Badgebunny on this one. I saw her fight at the SPA. Girl got mad skills yo.

Posted by: badgebunny

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hb13

Thanks Hb...you know it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Q5-TPR

I put my money on Badgebunny on this one. I saw her fight at the SPA. Girl got mad skills yo.

Q5-TPR...thanks...you would def win that bet!!!

Posted by: USMCMP5811

Cat Fight in the quad!!!!!!

Posted by: kwflatbed

My money is on BB

Posted by: USMCMP5811

HaHa, Thanks Hary, and I agree with your prediction

Quote:

Originally Posted by Q5-TPR

I put my money on Badgebunny on this one. I saw her fight at the SPA. Girl got mad skills yo.

Posted by: badgebunny

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwflatbed

My money is on BB

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCMP5811

HaHa, Thanks Hary, and I agree with your prediction

Thanks guys!!!

Posted by: andy0921

Once again posting this for BB

;

Posted by: lofu

Judging by these posts it looks like we might be having the best meet and greet this spring.

Posted by: CHICwithBADGE

I'll be there at the meet & greet this spring. Bring it on! I can't wait for a face-to-face with Badge Bunny. As for having the lowest rep scale ever on Masscops, I thought that distinction belonged to Mechanximan.

Posted by: wgciv

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

I'll be there at the meet & greet this spring. Bring it on! I can't wait for a face-to-face with Badge Bunny. As for having the lowest rep scale ever on Masscops, I thought that distinction belonged to Mechanximan.

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mechanixman

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***NOTE the last activity vs join dates.

Posted by: badgebunny

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy0921

Once again posting this for BB

;

Thanks Andy!!!

...you are killing me....

Posted by: kwflatbed

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHICwithBADGE

Yup the perfect pair

Posted by: KozmoKramer

It is interesting that ChickWithB, Sludgie, Mecanixman all share the same IP.

Posted by: resqjyw0

Quote:

Originally Posted by KozmoKramer

It is interesting that ChickWithB, Sludgie, Mecanixman all share the same IP.

Nothing suspicious there...

Posted by: sluggie371

Just in from the State House no casino's then no money for the merg. Thank you MR. SPEAKER. You have my vote any time.

Posted by: USMCMP5811

Quote:

Originally Posted by KozmoKramer

It is interesting that ChickWithB, Sludgie, Mecanixman all share the same IP.

Hmmm also kinda funny that the CWB user name was created 2 days before mecanixman got the boot. now all of a sudden this shit stirrer sluggie shows up and they're all from the same IP address......hapenstance or coincidence????

Posted by: sluggie371

I love you too BIG BROTHER.

Posted by: wgciv

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCMP5811

Just as with the transition from Mechanixman to Chicwithadick, he is feeling the heat and sensing the demise of Chicwithadick and therefore created Sluggie in order to continue his nonsense. Koz, is there a way to ban an IP address???

Posted by: KozmoKramer

There is WGCIV, but unfortunately the IP segment those 2 nitwits are logging in from would mean we would also be baning the IP's of legitimate members.

So we'll keep an eye out and sic Harry on em if they re-reg..

Posted by: resqjyw0

Quote:

Originally Posted by wgciv

Koz, is there a way to ban an IP address???

Some people's IPs change on a frequent basis depending upon ISPs.

I know verizon does every once in a while. That would suck if you end up getting assigned a banned IP someday down the road and you can't access this site for a few weeks.

Posted by: rokurmthr61

Quote:

Originally Posted by wgciv

the admin can see the IP which if your good with computers you can track them down to where they are. can't you see the email hes using? if so lets find out who he is. haha

Posted by: USMCMP5811

Quote:

Originally Posted by KozmoKramer

There is WGCIV, but unfortunately the IP segment those 2 nitwits are logging in from would mean we would also be baning the IP's of legitimate members.

So we'll keep an eye out and sic Harry on em if they re-reg..

Unfortunately Koz, I think they already have spare name registerd. Just waiting to stir the pot some more.

Posted by: KozmoKramer

Those who come here just to stir the shit and be jackasses (like those 2) almost always use a free-mail account. So it's not worth the bother.
Much easier to simply let em' make a horses arse of themselves, let you folks slap em around a bit and then ban or delete the account.

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCMP5811

Unfortunately Koz, I think they already have spare name registerd. Just waiting to stir the pot some more.

Well DD put on your best ass-kickin boots and let the games begin!!

Posted by: USMCMP5811

Quote:

Originally Posted by KozmoKramer

Those who come here just to stir the shit and be jackasses (like those 2) almost always use a free-mail account. So it's not worth the bother.
Much easier to simply let em' make a horses arse of themselves, let you folks slap em around a bit and then ban or delete the account.

Well DD put on your best ass-kickin boots and let the games begin!!

HaHa, well then, Pass the Popcorn and the beer.

Let'sssssssss get readyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to ruuuuuuuumbellllllllllllllllllllll

Posted by: rokurmthr61

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCMP5811

HaHa, well then, Pass the Popcorn and the beer.

Let'sssssssss get readyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to ruuuuuuuumbellllllllllllllllllllll

ill bring the beer haha

Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokurmthr61

the admin can see the IP which if your good with computers you can track them down to where they are. can't you see the email hes using? if so lets find out who he is. haha

One IP is from the State; the e-mail is a Yahoo address. I have a good idea of who it is.

Posted by: Hb13

My IP is from the state (i'm assuming) and my account is yahoo. Are you guys talking about me?

Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

Yes.

Posted by: Hb13

Have I started that much trouble? Didn't mean to well maybe just a little.

Posted by: kttref

Yahoo email addresses are always used by shitbags....er...maybe not.

Posted by: rokurmthr61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hb13

Have I started that much trouble? Didn't mean to well maybe just a little.

Yeah im sure you didn't! its kinda sad that you have nothing better to do then cause trouble on here!

Posted by: Hb13

I don't come on here to start trouble, I was joking. I was annoyed with Chicwithbadge because of her constantly stupid posts.

Posted by: rokurmthr61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hb13

I don't come on here to start trouble, I was joking. I was annoyed with Chicwithbadge because of her constantly stupid posts.

shut up go blow smoke up someone elses ass your probably a pro at that

Posted by: MM1799

What are you two talking about?

Posted by: JMB1977

I must have missed something

Posted by: Rock

Is it me or has this gone slightly off topic?

Posted by: afd414

wow I was interested in this topic, but now im interested in selling this thread to mgm or WB probably a good movie. you've got the technical twist with the ip thing, a split personality with the multi username thing, a girl fight and the always innocent guilty person.

Posted by: KozmoKramer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock

Is it me or has this gone slightly off topic?

Absolutely Rock, but doesn't it provide some comic relief?

Quote:

Originally Posted by afd414

wow I was interested in this topic, but now im interested in selling this thread to mgm or WB probably a good movie. you've got the technical twist with the ip thing, a split personality with the multi username thing, a girl fight and the always innocent guilty person.

Very good observation! Now for your next assignment, who would make a good cast for the major characters?

Posted by: afd414

Leonardo Dicaprio with the personality issues. Roseann Arnold for chick with badge because shes loud, Angelina Jolie as Badge Bunny

, and maybe Tom Cruise only because he is a scientologist thats gotta add something

Posted by: Delta784

Quote:

Originally Posted by MM1799

What are you two talking about?

Lover's quarrel.

Posted by: badgebunny

Quote:

Originally Posted by afd414

Leonardo Dicaprio with the personality issues. Roseann Arnold for chick with badge because shes loud, Angelina Jolie as Badge Bunny

, and maybe Tom Cruise only because he is a scientologist thats gotta add something

afd...thank you...I absolutely LOVE Angelina Jolie!!!

Posted by: Hb13

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokurmthr61

shut up go blow smoke up someone elses ass your probably a pro at that

What are you even talking about? I've been here for what two and a half years, you've been here for 15 days give or take and you are already attemtping to start more problems then I have the entire time I've been here.
Also I only have one account here, If you haven't read my post in MBTA Stomping rights 2 you will know my feelings on people having two accounts here or anywhere else for that matter.
Anyways I really wasn't attempting to start anything with anyone. Just putting my opinion out there on a real pot stirrer.

Posted by: chuckfarley

Be careful for what you wish for...

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