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Posted by: kwflatbed

By ELLIOT SPAGAT, Associated Press Writer

SAN DIEGO - A Marine drill instructor has been charged with 225 criminal counts connected to abusing recruits, a Marines spokesman said Thursday.
In one incident, Sgt. Jerrod M. Glass allegedly ordered a recruit to jump head-first into a trash can and then pushed him further into the container, according to court documents cited in The San Diego Union-Tribune. He is also accused of striking recruits with a tent pole and a heavy flashlight.
Two other drill instructors, Sgt. Robert C. Hankins and Sgt. Brian M. Wendel, face special courts-martial in the case, the Marines said. Arraignment dates have not been scheduled for either Marine.
A fourth drill instructor, whose name was not released, was disciplined and reassigned to administrative duties.
Glass postponed making a plea during a court appearance at San Diego Marine Corps Recruit Depot, where he worked, said spokesman Austin Mansfield. The charges include 91 counts of assault, 90 of failure to obey lawful orders and 27 of cruelty and maltreatment.
The charges cover about 110 alleged incidents between Dec. 23, 2006 and Feb. 10, the Marines said in press release. No member of his platoon was seriously injured.
Glass, who had worked as a drill sergeant for less than a year when the alleged mistreatment occurred, was relieved of duty as a drill instructor in February. He is scheduled to go to court-martial Nov. 8.
In court Wednesday, Glass did not speak except to answer basic questions from the judge, Lt. Col. Jeffrey Meeks. Defense lawyer Capt. Patrick J. Callahan asked that all counts be read aloud.
Callahan did not immediately respond to a phone message for comment Thursday.
About 17,000 recruits graduate each year from the San Diego depot. Newly enlisted Marines train there and at Parris Island, S.C.
Last year, four Marines at the San Diego depot were charged in the drowning of a fellow drill instructor during a water survival training course. Two were acquitted of wrongdoing in the case. Charges were dropped against a third Marine and a fourth received nonjudicial discipline.
Gary Solis, a former Marine Corps prosecutor and judge who teaches law of war at Georgetown University Law Center, estimates that on average about six drill instructors, or DIs, are charged nationwide each year with abusing recruits.
"These kids are helpless before DI's," Solis said. "The DI is God and they have no immediate recourse."
Abuse charges against Marines have become less common since six recruits drowned during a training exercise at Parris Island in 1956, Solis said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070824/...structor_abuse

Posted by: wgciv

What a damn shame. I am curious if it were the recruits who made these allegations. These knucklehead recruits have no idea what it takes to be a Marine. The DI is simply trying to teach them. Although it is not immediately evident, they will later understand that the actions of that DI were not malicious. Instead, those actions are lessons.. lessons that will keep them alive when they go on their little vacation across the way (Iraq). The unfortunate thing is that other Marines who didn't whine like little B*!@%S and were properly trained will be stuck with these little whine bags to their flanks. It is these undisciplined cowards that the properly trained Marines will be relying upon to help get out of there alive. I shed a tear for every step backward the Corps takes from the Supreme Fighting Force that it once was, still is, and always should be. Semper Fi.

Posted by: mpd61

so...what if it wasn't recruits who brought these incidents to light? just suppose some other marines, maybe even fellow D.I.'s with integrity spoke up? Just trying to be objective.

Posted by: wgciv

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Originally Posted by wgciv

I am curious if it were the recruits who made these allegations.

I wondered the same thing (see above). However, I have seen the change in the Corps over the past several years. They strive for political correctness and concern themselves with the views of mothers of America. It is encouraged more and more that recruits and junior Marines drop dimes if they feel they are being mistreated. It is no secret that these DI's stray from policies and guidlines. As these policies tighten, they are forced to in order to put quality Marines in the fleet. These kids are being trained for war and in order to achieve success, they must be properly trained. We are not talking college fraternity hazings here. These kid's lives depend heavily upon the training they receive, starting from day one.

Posted by: kwflatbed

Pussified Recruits
The new breed of mommycuddled children that can't take the training.

Posted by: SOT

Look i was in the Army, and I got the shit beat out of me ONCE by a DS. I was acting the idiot and it was well deserved...and this was back in the late 80's when they weren't supposed to do that. At the end of the day...I appreciate what he did for me. It really made a difference.

The problem is more and more parents and teachers and "do gooders" are codling these flipping kids and they are basically untrainable. What a sad state of affairs when some bolo/no-go gets his ass handed to him and then makes a case against someone who is actually looking out for that recruits best interest.

Posted by: TacEntry

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Originally Posted by wgciv

What a damn shame. I am curious if it were the recruits who made these allegations. These knucklehead recruits have no idea what it takes to be a Marine. The DI is simply trying to teach them. Although it is not immediately evident, they will later understand that the actions of that DI were not malicious. Instead, those actions are lessons.. lessons that will keep them alive when they go on their little vacation across the way (Iraq). The unfortunate thing is that other Marines who didn't whine like little B*!@%S and were properly trained will be stuck with these little whine bags to their flanks. It is these undisciplined cowards that the properly trained Marines will be relying upon to help get out of there alive. I shed a tear for every step backward the Corps takes from the Supreme Fighting Force that it once was, still is, and always should be. Semper Fi.

Unless you were there, I would'nt stick up for this guy. I'll agree recruits need tough love and training gets "softer" as the years go by, but there are bad apples in every bunch and the days of beating the crap out of recruits is over by at least 20 years now. Just because this guy was a DI doesn't mean he can do no wrong and didn't illegally assault recruits. Mentorship and Lead by Example is "Proper Training" not Humiliation and Brutality. It's crappy leadership like that the type shown here that creates crappy leaders. I'll equate it to child abuse and the vicious cycle that creates.

Posted by: kwflatbed

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Originally Posted by TacEntry

Twenty years ago they trained them to be men,today they train them to complain
and be cry babies. (JMHO)
In my day you could not quit and go home if you did not like it.

Posted by: TacEntry

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwflatbed

Twenty years ago they trained them to be men,today they train them to complain
and be cry babies. (JMHO)
In my day you could not quit and go home if you did not like it.

I completely agree - I joined the Army 19 years ago and the Drill Sergeants would send "wake up calls" to "problem" trainees with a chest bump, shoulder blow or a peck of the Drill Sgt Brim to the nose - all very useful at the time, at a time when you weren't "supposed to" touch the recruits. Unfortunately those days are LONG GONE. We are now deep into an all volunteer (and were when I joined) military and have to be smart and get the message across somehow without whaling on the newest wave of X-Box Generation Kids. Remember, in VietNam we had a draft, (Join the Army or go to jail etc..) We have been "At War" for almost 6 years and kids are still signing up, that does say something about todays recruits. My .02 cents.

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by mpd61

Just trying to be objective.

OH the hell with it. Is it really "beat the piss out of them" or "baby them" that works? I'm sure it's neither, but what the hell do I know?

I do know nobody here advocated being p.c or babying recruits. I saw a logical discourse of the shifts in training doctrines and the reasons for them since my Brother went to P.I. in 1967. (I watched him graduate!) I also heard wcgiv lament the loss of the"real" beloved marine corps he remembers. I'd be interested how long ago he went through, and how far the recruit training program has slipped since then. YIKES!

Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

Abuse charges against Marines have become less common since six recruits drowned during a training exercise at Parris Island in 1956, Solis said.

I wouldnt call them cry babies they are signing up and serving just as heroically like the the generation/s before them maybe even more since they dont know the enemy their fighting. We dont need to kill our soldiers before they serve our country. I see that abuse charges have become less common since 1956 so that would make cry babies??? We dont even know if it was them that complained, their watched 24 / 7 where would they find the time.

Oh Ya : I still dont believe they should have preference for civil service jobs

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Posted by: wgciv

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Originally Posted by mpd61

I'm not even going to stoop to your level again so I'll just let this slide. But one more outburst from you and it is no holds barred.. consider yourself warned.

Posted by: CJmajor27

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Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by wgciv

I'm not even going to stoop to your level again so I'll just let this slide. But one more outburst from you and it is no holds barred.. consider yourself warned.

If I took your threat seriously, I'd pay Rocksy the going rate to slap your ass around some. Thanks again for your mature and articulate thoughts.

Posted by: wgciv

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

so...what if it wasn't recruits who brought these incidents to light? just suppose some other Marines, maybe even fellow D.I.'s with integrity spoke up? Just trying to be objective.

I corrected your spelling error.

Posted by: mpd61

Sweetheart...

I have the honor of working with real "MARINES" everyday. Funny thing is they don't act like "Young Marines."

Posted by: wgciv

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Originally Posted by mpd61

Sweetheart...

I have the honor of working with real "MARINES" everyday. Funny thing is they don't act like "Young Marines."

Ahhh.. good one. =D>

Posted by: Redleg13D

If it were 1 or 2 counts of abuse, OK, maybe we are dealing with whiny recruits.

But 225? thats basically a whole company's worth of them.

Posted by: Inspector

SAN DIEGO -- A drill instructor accused of abusing recruits at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego was arraigned Tuesday on charges of dereliction of duty, maltreatment, assault and other counts.Sgt. Robert C. Hankins had his special court-martial scheduled for Jan. 7.In a hearing before military judge Maj. Brian E. Kasprzky, Hankins reserved his right to enter pleas to the charges and also reserved his right to choose between a trial by judge or jury. Hankins is charged with three counts each of orders violations and dereliction of duty and maltreatment; two counts of making a false official statement; one count each of destruction of property and assault; and seven counts of concealment of a felony committed by another. This is the first of at least two DI's at the same Maine Station who will be charged as recruits come forward with complaints of poor treatment from their DI's.

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