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Posted by: massvet

I know of several remaining 97's that have received employmentg packets recently which required they be returned in early December. Is anyone aware of if the upcomming class will be filled with all 97 or will there be 96's.


Posted by: bosco109

I heard that it is unlikely that they will reach the 96's with this next class in June. However who knows.


Posted by: massvet

any of the 96's been informed if they have been selected to attend the 78th RTT?


Posted by: massvet

CORRECTION on the previous post. Any of the remaining 97's. Sorry for any confusion.


Posted by: mannysaba

I guess I am really out of luck, I scored a 95. There must have been at least 800 people with that score. I just turned 31 so I will most likely exceed the age limit by the time another test is given.


Posted by: jimmyjam

I heard that they were into the low 94's


Posted by: lancegoodthrust

Not to this 94. Manny keep your head up, I hear at least (not including this current class running right now) Two more classes.


Posted by: skimass

I Received a 96 and I got my letter today. They give you a choice to pick the 78th or to wait for an unfunded 79th.


Posted by: Wannabe1

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I Received a 96 and I got my letter today. They give you a choice to pick the 78th or to wait for an unfunded 79th.
Not really a choice. Accelerated process for a chance for the 78th...probably as an alternate. Thats how I took the letter. I the 79th isn't funded yet but lets pray that it gets funded. I think it would be kinda shitty if the state gave another test before taking the 96's for a class.


Posted by: Rock

I agree Wannabe.
Everyone make sure you call your congressman (or woman) and make sure this February class gets funded. Call the Gov. if you have to! I think that's our best shot with a 96.


Posted by: shawn8446

I don't know if this will help anyone, I called last Tues. the 22nd because I heard through the grapevine that they were dipping into the 96's. They told me they were sending the letters out to them. Since I didn't have my written change of address into them in time she faxed me the card but told me that the packages have to be in by Friday the 25th. I jumped through some hoops and hand delivered it to Framingham on Thursday the 24th. While there they told me not to plan anything between the 25th and April 1st. Now you all know as much if not more than me. Since I was just discharged from the Marines I am living off Iraq funds and running on the hardball till I hear otherwise.


Posted by: skimass

I turned in my information probably about 10 days ago, I haven't heard anything yet. I don't know why they would tell you not to plan anything from 3/25- 4/1. They have to make sure you pass your background first, which they do based on the info on your application. That would be a quick turnover.


Posted by: Kelgers

I believe if you are just handing in your first application you will have to go through a oral interview process first. As far as I know they start the weeding out in the initial oral interview, then if you make it through that they will start the process of a background. The certification unit is only so big. If you noticed on the application the process went... Entrance Exam - Oral Interview/PAT - Background - Hired.

I could also be way off, especially if they are doing an accellerated process for the 78th.


Posted by: CenterMass

One word of advice - Don't expect advance notice on any step of the hiring process.
My call came on a Friday confirming my Monday entrance to the SPA. Thankfully I was ready!
Good Luck potential trainees!


Posted by: Rock

So you got the weekend to get your s*** together? Wow. How do they get you your equipment with no real notice....PT stuff, uniforms, etc.?


Posted by: TJH

At the orientation the candidates for the 77th were told that 180 of them will be in the academy, and I want to say the rest of them, which was about 60 were on standby to come in for the start of the second week if needed. As far as I know they weren't told if they were in or on standby. They had a list of all the necessary basic gear they needed. ( skivvies, socks, hygeine, whatever ) the rest will be issued. My buddy, in the 77th now was also told, ( I want to say he got both a phone call, and a letter ?) on Friday saying that he was in for the Nov. 1 date.


Posted by: Tango

The common practice of giving one a last minute notice, is this something that they do intentionally to evaluate who will drop everything to go, or is it more that they have last minute changes in who is going/dropping before the start date? I assume things can get a bit hectic with so many people..


Posted by: mkpnt

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I Received a 96 and I got my letter today. They give you a choice to pick the 78th or to wait for an unfunded 79th.
Not really a choice. Accelerated process for a chance for the 78th...probably as an alternate. Thats how I took the letter. I the 79th isn't funded yet but lets pray that it gets funded. I think it would be kinda shitty if the state gave another test before taking the 96's for a class.
While at the Academy, doing the obstacle courses, this week... I was told that they didn't have enough 97's to fill the upcoming class and they would indeed be using some 96's.


Posted by: MC1010

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So you got the weekend to get your s*** together? Wow. How do they get you your equipment with no real notice....PT stuff, uniforms, etc.?
When I was hoping to get into my R.T.T. Class, I was notified, by GHQ, on a Tuesday afternoon around noon time. They gave me an hour to get to Framingham to pick up some paperwork and the list of items I would need. I was to report to the SPA for 8 am the next day (less than a 24 hour notice). I went to Framingham, got all the paperwork, went to my current employer, at that time, and turned in my resignation. I then went to the bank, withdrew about $1000.00 and headed to the mall to get all my required gear. I was at the mall from 5pm til 9pm when it closed. Went back home, got all my gear put together and put all appropriate markings on them, and was in bed for 1am. Layed in bed, wide awake for 4 hours, got up at 5am and started my trek to New Braintree. So yes, there are some people that will get less than a 24 hour notice. Its a serious gut check because it is hard to prepare with less than a 24 hour notice, but I, and others, have proven that it CAN be done!!!!!


Posted by: Rich6896

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I Received a 96 and I got my letter today. They give you a choice to pick the 78th or to wait for an unfunded 79th.
Not really a choice. Accelerated process for a chance for the 78th...probably as an alternate. Thats how I took the letter. I the 79th isn't funded yet but lets pray that it gets funded. I think it would be kinda shitty if the state gave another test before taking the 96's for a class.
While at the Academy, doing the obstacle courses, this week... I was told that they didn't have enough 97's to fill the upcoming class and they would indeed be using some 96's.
Just wondering…What was the course like? What kind of obstacles did they put in front of you? IE monkey bars, walls. I imagine there was no practice since bad guys don’t let you practice chasing them before the real thing.

Good Luck.


Posted by: mkpnt

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I Received a 96 and I got my letter today. They give you a choice to pick the 78th or to wait for an unfunded 79th.
Not really a choice. Accelerated process for a chance for the 78th...probably as an alternate. Thats how I took the letter. I the 79th isn't funded yet but lets pray that it gets funded. I think it would be kinda shitty if the state gave another test before taking the 96's for a class.
While at the Academy, doing the obstacle courses, this week... I was told that they didn't have enough 97's to fill the upcoming class and they would indeed be using some 96's.
Just wondering…What was the course like? What kind of obstacles did they put in front of you? IE monkey bars, walls. I imagine there was no practice since bad guys don’t let you practice chasing them before the real thing.

Good Luck.


There were 2 courses. The first one was based on chasing a suspect and making an arrest. It involved a tunnel, a set of stairs, a 3 ft wall, a sled push and a simulated cuffing of a suspect. You could not touch any railings and needed to stay inside the cones.

The second was similar except it was a 3.5 ft wall and a dummy drag at the end. It simulated a rescue situation.


Posted by: Killjoy

According to the Health & Fitness unit, only about 2% of people fail the obstacle course, yet about 20-25% fail the 1 1/2 mile run, so plan accordingly. Anyone in reasonable shape can pass these tests, so if you are potential trainee fatbody, do the MSP a favor and defer, work out and try for another class.....don't take a slot for someone who can actually hack it.


Posted by: j809

I have to disagree with you KillJoy. When I went to Weymouth MPOC there were alot of people that could not do the 1.5 mile run the second day of the acadeny when we had the evals. By week 10 we ran 10 miles and everyone had outstanding 1.5 mile run times at the end. If there was a 1.5 mile run requirement to get in there would have been aot of people that would not have been in there and these people are great police officers. Yes ,you should go in the academy physically fit but one of the purposes of the academy is to get you in shape, just like boot camp. I am sure that the 76th RTT had a great bunch of troopers that graduated and they did not have the 1.5 mile run requirement. to get in.


Posted by: Rich6896

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According to the Health & Fitness unit, only about 2% of people fail the obstacle course, yet about 20-25% fail the 1 1/2 mile run, so plan accordingly. Anyone in reasonable shape can pass these tests, so if you are potential trainee fatbody, do the MSP a favor and defer, work out and try for another class.....don't take a slot for someone who can actually hack it.
Fatboy? I don't remember posting my picture.


Posted by: Tango

What are the time cut offs for the courses? How about the run? I have heard a couple different times for the 1.5 run...any difference based on age or gender or all the same time?
Thanks


Posted by: CenterMass

Killjoy is right on the money. Don't waste a spot if you're not ready. If you're not in shape and you actually make it to the SPA, you WILL be encouraged to resign - One way or another.


Posted by: Rock

Just a heads up for any of you 96's still in the mix for the next SPA. I just got a letter today for my oral board. They are moving fast. Stay ready.


Posted by: Smig165

Same here Rock...do you know if this is the only oral board we'll face?? or is it just a preliminary one??


Posted by: soxfan

I also received a letter with a day and time for my oral board. Smig as far as I know this is the only oral interview during the selection process. Good luck to everybody in the mix.


Posted by: Rock

Not sure Smig. I'm guessing that would be the only one. They've got too many people to interview in a very short period of time. If there is a second interview I'd bet it would be after everything is done and just before the acadamy starts. Good luck


Posted by: Kelgers

Just to throw my two cents in about the selection process for the 78th RTT. I just received a conditional letter of employment to the 78th scheduling a psychological evaluation and a medical evaluation for mid April... It does state in the letter "Appointment to the Academy will be made based on your written test score. In instances where several candidates share the same written test score, the oral interview score will be used to rank candidates." So for you 96's, if you are fighting for a position in the 78th your oral interview will be a MAJOR factor as to possible appointment.
FYI The letter also states to be prepared for being assigned to the "western region" of Massachusetts for at least the first five years of your career.
I too am just a hopeful candidate on the learning curve myself, I am just sharing what I have learned so please don't swear by what I said.
Good Luck.


Posted by: mpdcam

Got my letter for my interview also. Good luck to everyone.


Posted by: Tango

For those of you who got interview notices, when are they? Im hoping to get one, as my mail is usually a bit slower (living in the boonies), just looking for an idea for planning purposes...

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!


Posted by: Rock

Tango, my oral boards are mid week next week.

Hey Kelgers, you said the letter said "be prepared for being assigned to the "western region" of Massachusetts for at least the first five years of your career." Was that specific for you? What part of the state do you live in?


Posted by: Tango

Thanks Rock..


Posted by: mkpnt

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Tango, my oral boards are mid week next week.

Hey Kelgers, you said the letter said "be prepared for being assigned to the "western region" of Massachusetts for at least the first five years of your career." Was that specific for you? What part of the state do you live in?

Rock, The statement, "be prepared for being assigned to the "western region" of Massachusetts for at least the first five years of your career."
was also on my letter. I live in the Boston area. I believe new guys head west until they put in enough time and someone is available to replace them. I'm thinking the western part of the state may be nice, Kelgers is going to show me how to survive in the hills. mkpnt


Posted by: Kelgers

Rock, I live in Western Massachusetts.. But No it wasn't just meant for me. It was part of the conditional letter of employment that was sent to all candidates in my position... The Sgt. who did my background also told my wife that they station all new recruits in Western Mass... To me, I don't care if I get stationed on the moon, I would be proud and lucky to be stationed and serve anywhere.

And Yes, Mkpnt, I will have your back and show you how to deal with the bears


Posted by: Rock

Well then I have some planing to do. Anyone want to buy a house on the Northshore?
I'll have to teach my kids how to hunt and ride a quad!


Posted by: Kelgers

Rock,
I think your kids would have more fun if you teach them how to trout fish and ride a snowmobile. The coyotes are getting all the deer and the property owners like snowmobiles better...


Posted by: Killjoy

Its not the job of the academy to bring someone up to standards; they should already be up to the MINIMUM standards. Sheesh, if someone can't take the intiative and work out a few days a week, they certainly shouldn't be a cop!


Posted by: mkpnt

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Rock,
I think your kids would have more fun if you teach them how to trout fish and ride a snowmobile. The coyotes are getting all the deer and the property owners like snowmobiles better...
Bears and coyotes, count me in.


Posted by: Kelgers

That came out of left field Killjoy... I agree, but I don't know what brought that out.
Isn't that why they implement the minimal standards for the PAT?


Posted by: skimass

I got my letter today, my interview is at 8am in New braintree. Anyone know of hotels in that area? I live down on the cape, so that would be quite the morning commute. I don't care where I end up in the state, as long as all goes well. good luck and congrats to all


Posted by: biged86

The nearest hotels are in the Sturbridge area. The Brookfields are closer, but I dont know if they have any hotels


Posted by: Kelgers

Might also have some luck around the Palmer area... Right of the pike.


Posted by: popo

How come they are doing interviews and no PATs first this round. My cousin is in the 77th and he had his interview and physical the same day. I am going to try for the 79th. Good luck!


Posted by: Tango

You may find a hotel in Sturbridge, but Auburn is also a possibility..many right off Rt 290, probably about 40 min. to academy at that hour.
Good luck


Posted by: CenterMass

The Holiday Inn Express is right in downtown Sturbridge. Nothing fancy, but serves the purpose. I spent many sunday nights there to avoid the monday morning commute to the SPA.


Posted by: skimass

thanks for the info guys...


Posted by: massirishcop

Anyone know if the MSP will be getting into the 95 range for hiring?


Posted by: skicop12

I was told the 78th would consist of 97s and they would be dipping into the 96s.


Posted by: Rock

Have any of you had your oral boards yet? If so, what type of questions were they asking? I've been through these type of things with other agencies so I know there are a few different styles. Are they trying to stress you out or are they just generic backround and scenerio type questions?


Posted by: GARDA

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When I went to Weymouth MPOC there were alot of people that could not do the 1.5 mile run the second day of the acadeny when we had the evals. / Yes ,you should go in the academy physically fit but one of the purposes of the academy is to get you in shape, just like boot camp.
Who are these people that can't do 1.5 miles in the minimum time???!!!
Reminds me of Dewey "Ox" Oxburger from the movie "Stripes"...when he arrives at Army Boot Camp:
"In case you haven't noticed, I'm I little overweight"..."but, you guys have this eight week program right?, which will be great for me...I'll leave here a lean, mean, fighting machine!"

Nothing like showing up with your level of preparedness (or lack thereof) speaking volumes about YOU, and further exclaiming that your self-pride is sadly awaiting to be formed by a MCJTC or MSP Academy standard?


Posted by: TheFuzz357

Has anyone else heard that they are adding a corrections block to the 78th so that when they graduate they can go work at any of the HOC's if they need extra help?


Posted by: jedgarhades

i scored 95 on the test...im starting to think that im one point short. im not sure though because id imagine that the state spent a lot of money administering that test, so wouldnt they want to keep that list for a while? at least get more than 3 classes from it, assuming that the 79th does get funded. any advise?


Posted by: bbelichick

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Has anyone else heard that they are adding a corrections block to the 78th so that when they graduate they can go work at any of the HOC's if they need extra help?
That is definitely true. They also expanded the 911/Emergency Response portion so that the MSP can begin answering calls for service in LEC communities. That way, when the LEC's are out playing State Police, the State Police can play local Police. See, we can all get along!


Posted by: mpdcam

Can't we drop the LEC bashing in this forum? This forum is for the 78th.

Incase anyone is interested, there are 330 applicants with a score of 96 going for the 78th. The rest either said "no thanks" or deferred to the 79th. Keep your fingers crossed 95's. They might get to you....


Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

I was informed today that there are approx. 200 people with 96s that were sent letters to apply to the MSP and had their notices returned because they did not contact human resources to notify them of a change of address. If you are one of those people, I offer you my regrets... and my thanks. :P


Posted by: Pvt. Cowboy

On average, how many classes are pulled from an exam? I'm still hoping my 95 is good enough for the 79th.


Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

I don't know, but I do know there are 300 applicants for this class and only about 150 are gonna make it for the 78th. The rest are going to the 79th (that is, of course, everything else works out for them in the process). There were over 800 people with 96s, and the 78th is the first class that will have any 96s from the last exam. So that leaves about 650 people with a score of 96 to sift through for the 79th.


Posted by: jedgarhades

i think they put through 4 classes from the list from the previous test, which i think was around 1997 maybe??


Posted by: bbelichick

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i think they put through 4 classes from the list from the previous test, which i think was around 1997 maybe??
The test in 1992 resulted in the 71st, 72nd and 73rd RTTs. The following test was the 74th, 75th and 76th I believe.

3 Classes is usually the rule.


Posted by: CenterMass

what did you score dunngeon?


Posted by: Pvt. Cowboy

Actually Dunngeon, I heard... whether this is accurate or not... that they were planning on starting the 78th with 225 recruits. This way they don't have to call as many alternates because another 75 sallies drop out because the big bad DI's are making them cry. Can't remember where I heard it from... but it heard it.


Posted by: Rich6896

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Actually Dunngeon, I heard... whether this is accurate or not... that they were planning on starting the 78th with 225 recruits. This way they don't have to call as many alternates because another 75 sallies drop out because the big bad DI's are making them cry. Can't remember where I heard it from... but it heard it.
Of the estimated 75 "sallies" that quit are a majority of them usually civilians? My guess is the military guys have been through this before, and know what they are getting themselves into, and few if any of them quit.


Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

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what did you score dunngeon?
96


Posted by: Kelgers

I may be a little confused here but with 150 being considered for the 78th (96's that is) than that only leaves 75 being 97's. I am a 97 that is taking my last hurdle this Friday with the psychological. Now when I went for my PT redo a few weeks ago I was under the impression that there were far more then 75 people with 97's... I was under the assumption that that the class was to be made up of primarily 97's and a "few" 96's. 150 96's sure sounds like the majority.
I just find it hard to fathum that they would wait until the last couple months to start the selection process on 96's if they needed to fill the majority of the class with them.
There were 734 people that got a 97+ and 877 people who scored a 96 at least that is what my notice dated 2002/09/19 states.
Now, like I said, I am a hopeful candiadate for the 78th. I don't have any buddys who are troopers, I don't know anyone that works at the academy, my neighbors sisters uncles babysitter does know someone but I personally don't have an inside source to support my "assumptions".
I have also heard that eventhough we are going through the medical evaluation and the psychological eval's that we still may have not passed our backgrounds yet. I had my background integrity interview in late December '04 and still haven't heard yeah or neigh. Does anyone within the MSP know if this is a good sign that they are continuing the process or is this standard to go through everything before findiing out about the background?


Posted by: popo

I got a 97 and I deferred twice and waiting for the 79th. There are many with 97s and 98s because of the updated vets points. I know four more officers on local pds with 97s that are waiting for the 79th through deferement.


Posted by: TheFuzz357

PoPo,

If this test expires (they give a new test) you are SOL by deferring. Are you out of country?


Posted by: CenterMass

96, good luck dungeon!
If you make it to the SPA, how will this site sustain????


Posted by: j809

I heard that the 79th will be picked off this test as well. It makes sense as the test was given in 2002, only three years ago. My buddy went to the 76th and that was something like 5 years later after the test.


Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

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96, good luck dungeon!
If you make it to the SPA, how will this site sustain????
Thank you very much! And gee, I don't know... I guess my groupies will have to find a way of making it through the week without me somehow. Maybe you could take over for me... how does your finger look?


Posted by: Dogma20001

I had the oral yesterday and yes the 79th will mostly be made up of 96's and still alot of 97's that defferred. There was only 330 96's who didn't deffer, 200 who didn't give the change of address and got dropped automatically. Quote " They find me, I don't find them, their addresses are written down, and taken of the list".. Those who didn't deffer have a 1 in 2 shot of getting in this one, those who showed for the 78th this week and don't make the 78th will have preference over everyone else for the 79th. This is what we were told yesterday. Hope this clears it up a little


Posted by: popo

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those who showed for the 78th this week and don't make the 78th will have preference over everyone else for the 79th.
Does that mean they will have preference of people with 97s that deferred for the 79th?


Posted by: Pvt. Cowboy

So pretty much us 95's are a day late and a dollar, or a point, short... That's great, aspiration of the 79th crushed...


Posted by: Rock

Good question Popo because I was there yesterday also and that is exactly what they said to us. I can't believe over 200 people were sloppy enough to not give a forwarding address and then be dropped just like that. Good for us....bad for them.


Posted by: Dogma20001

As far as I know, anyone who asked to defer to the 79RTT,96's 97's ,98's, 99 's , will be taken after those who showed for the 78RTT but weren't taken.


Posted by: skimass

I had my oral boards yesterday, and a guy left while they were taking pictures. I guess he couldn't handle it. Three guys showed up 1/2 to an hour late, I was surprised they let them in. How serious of candidates could they be? Looking around the room, I ithink there might be some people that fail the PT test. They are so far from being in good shape that it would be nearly impossible for them to pass that on the 25th of April. I also heard a trooper got kicked out of the academy a couple of days ago, imagine that 1 week from graduation.... I just want to be the 78th reply in this forum for good luck


Posted by: j809

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I also heard a trooper got kicked out of the academy a couple of days ago
Wow, another one. i heard one got kicked out a week or so ago for being deemed not trainable.


Posted by: Killjoy

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They are so far from being in good shape that it would be nearly impossible for them to pass that on the 25th of April. I also heard a trooper got kicked out of the academy a couple of days ago, imagine that 1 week from graduation.... I just want to be the 78th reply in this forum for good luck
Welcome to the SPA, why do you think so many people drop out the first few weeks? I think that many peope are under the false impression that showing up on day 1 entitles you to the boots, breeches and cruiser keys.....wrong you EARN the right to wear this uniform. And Skimass, bite your tongue, he was not a TROOPER, he was a TRAINEE, and whether you are day 1 or day 180 you remain a trainee until they pin that badge on you!


Posted by: Officer Dunngeon

Well, as I expected, I didn't score high enough on the oral boards, so I'm out for the 78th. I'm not out for good, but just for this class.

*Note to self: next time take a vacation day if I have to work the night before and don't say "and stuff" 600 times!


Posted by: 5-hole

Dunngeon, sorry to hear that. Dont count yourself out, you never know what will happen with the #s with the PAT and background to come...we 96s learned not to lose hope in the process (ie 78RTT)

Just curious, did you already get a letter or notification of some sort letting you know of your board score? Best of luck


Posted by: Tango

Off. Dunngeon- bummer

I havent heard either way, but feel like I may have blown my chance with a poor interview performance. Keep your head up for the 79th- (who knows, maybe late 78th)..did you hear in the mail already? Thats fast..


Posted by: Dogma20001

I'm out, at least till Feb. Good Luck to those who are continuing in the process


Posted by: Wolfman

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If you don't know the question, how can you seriously sit there and "rate" my answer.
Because they're on the other side of that desk - that's all that's required. Should not be a reason to get frustrated, it's motivation to try harder..


Posted by: fscpd907

A quick question for the guys that had interviews last Tuesday & Wednesday. Did they give an academy start date ? I would think it would have to be sometime before July 1st ? Thanks


Posted by: popo

The way I see it ,you have to be competitive. You can't just go in there with a HS diploma or a couple of years of college and hope to get selected. There are just so many candidates out there and they can pick and chose from the best. You have to compete against former military, cops, master's and law degrees and it won't be easy. I know three local officers that got the conditional offer letters, but they are extremely competitive. I know one guy, Ex-Marine Force Recon, local cop, master's degree and a whole bunch of extra training. If you didn't get selected, improve yourself and take the next exam, do good and show them you are the best candidate for the job.


Posted by: soxfan

June 27th was the start date we were given on Tuesday.


Posted by: Rock

I got my letter on Sat. and was invited to take the next step.....Physical agility next week, psych test the end of that week and the medical the following week. They're moving fast. I could have sworn he said the start date was June 20.

As far as being competitive is concerned: Experience only gets you so far in this field. I've had some excellet experience for atleast 8 years and I'm just getting my shot now. I am only half way to my masters but I'm a local cop now, was a probation officer and an investigator at the DA's office (anyone know me??????). Take the best job available and hope it pays off. Everyone has to put their time in. Very few people get lucky at a young age.....especially in this state.

If you didn't get the news you wanted this time keep your chin up. Your time will come with persistance. What ever you do.....DON'T LISTEN TO KILLJOY or some of the other neigh sayers on this site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Posted by: Wolfman

If you get in, you'd better start listening to Killjoy. He's a realist, not a naysayer. Candycoating facts doesn't make things any easier.

-You want answers?
-I think I'm entitled to them.
-You want answers?
-I want the truth!
-You can't handle the truth!



Posted by: Rock

If and when I get in I don't want it to be easy just like I know it won't be easy. That being said who is asking for sugar coating? Facts are what they are they don't need to have a negitive or positive spin put on them. Act like an adult and the truth should not have to be altered either way. Anyone that needs that is in the wrong field.
And yes, he is a negitive "NAY sayer" not a realist. I'm still fairly new to the site but I think I've figured out the attitudes of some of you.....both good and bad.


Posted by: Wolfman

Glad you figured it out, and in a whole month at that. Killjoy has been wearing the boots for a lot longer than you have been in the application process and works where he sees this EVERY DAY. You call it naysaying, I call it a reality check for those who would go to the Academy and expect to find U-COP campus. If not for false expectations, how do you explain the numbers who walk away from the Academy during the first two weeks?

Every person who does not belong there is occupying a slot that could be filled by someone who DOES belong there, plain and simple. How many on this site have missed being called up and get pissed off when they hear about those washing out in the first 6 hours?

If and when you get in, you may find the sentiments of many of the staff to be similar to Killjoy's. Be sure to express your opinions to your DI if you think their spin is negative; I'm sure they'll appreciate your feedback. In the meantime (seeing as how you seem to be close to getting in ) it may be prudent to have a nice cup of STFU and get to the gym than to be online critiquing the communicative skills of those who may be charged with your training in a few short months...


Posted by: Rock

Thanks for the motivation Wolfman. No disrespect to you or Killjoy...just my opinion. This is America right? Don't get all upset and break your keyboard. We all have our own ways of motivating or informing others. I work better with a positive attitude, thats just me.
I do see your point on those who fill slots that shouldn't be there. I'm just glad they wash out. As far as the gym is concerned......if you knew me, you'd realize how funny that is. Best of luck. I have to get back to my STFU soup.


Posted by: BIG IRISH

I rec'd my letter Sat. and it also said to continue to the next phase. A buddy of mine got kicked to the 79th. He's not happy but thats the way it is I guess. Good luck to everyone else! Hope to see you in June! Please post on and be safe


Posted by: stm4710

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman";p=&quot View Post
Glad you figured it out, and in a whole month at that. Killjoy has been wearing the boots for a lot longer than you have been in the application process and works where he sees this EVERY DAY. You call it naysaying, I call it a reality check for those who would go to the Academy and expect to find U-COP campus. If not for false expectations, how do you explain the numbers who walk away from the Academy during the first two weeks?

Every person who does not belong there is occupying a slot that could be filled by someone who DOES belong there, plain and simple. How many on this site have missed being called up and get pissed off when they hear about those washing out in the first 6 hours?

If and when you get in, you may find the sentiments of many of the staff to be similar to Killjoy's. Be sure to express your opinions to your DI if you think their spin is negative; I'm sure they'll appreciate your feedback. In the meantime (seeing as how you seem to be close to getting in ) it may be prudent to have a nice cup of STFU and get to the gym than to be online critiquing the communicative skills of those who may be charged with your training in a few short months...
Im not MSP, dont want to be MSP and I do highly respect MSP. That is some of the best advice I have ever heard regarding ANY trainee going to ANY academy. Take it to heart.


Posted by: Killjoy

Like Wolfman says, I'm not being negative, just a realist. I see it every day at the SPA, there are no indicators for success here. People who were corrections, police officers, federal agents, Marines, Army, Navy, Air Force have all dropped out. People who were marathon runners to weightlifters have also dropped out. People who had Masters Degrees and Juris Doctorates have dropped out. There is no test we can give you, no medical exam that can determine the amount of HEART you have. It's hard to get here, but extremely easy to leave. If you potential 78th trainees are out there, take this very seriously, this is not just a change of PROFESSION this a change of LIFE. Work out, save your pennies, and keep a low profile if you are in the running for a slot here....and GOOD LUCK!


Posted by: soxfan

Killjoy. thank you for your sage advise it really helps put everything in perspective. To everybody left in the running best of luck I'll see you at SPA next week!


Posted by: mpdcam

Hoo Rah!!!! 78th


Posted by: edodf

Has anyone gotten results for their psych eval or medical test? Or is no news good news?


Posted by: Rock

For those involved with the 78th RTT.......Any new news on selection? How's it going so far...PAT, Medical, Psych and backround.......For those remaining 97's, did you guys get a call or a letter saying that you have a spot for sure?


Posted by: Mikey682

PAT's are today and tomorow for the expedited candidates (96's) that passed the oral boards last week.


Posted by: SinePari

I was also served some STFU soup/coffee/juice or whatever when I first came to this board. I got spanked just like everyone else. I sat back, read -but never posted- until AFTER April 21st. Remember, it's a SMALL community...

As a graduated member of the 77th RTT, heed all of the advice from the BTDTs. STFU, save your money, run, run and run some more. BTW, we had people getting heat exhaustion in NOVEMBER, so I would prepare myself to be in there during the summer months.


Posted by: Rock

Congrats Sinepari,
By the way, what is "BTDT's"?


Posted by: billj

BTDT= Been There Done That


Posted by: Killjoy

Been There, Done That


Posted by: 5-hole

Is the SPA orientation day open to family members?

Thanks


Posted by: Rock

Don't know but when is orientation?


The Coo-coo test was today (atleast for a bunch of us). Anyone that took it.....did you answer "true" to the question "You had thoughts of dating your mother"


Posted by: mpdcam

No, but I couldn't finish because those voices in my head were telling me to stop...


Posted by: 5-hole

speaking of psych exam, will we hear if we "passed" or is it no news is good news?


Posted by: Rock

I'm thinking no news is good news. I hope.....since I haven't heard a thing. I know they are doing the face to face Dr. meetings with 1/3rd of the people that took the psych test. That might (or might not) weed a few people out.


Posted by: Killjoy

For the psych test, no news is definitely good news....


Posted by: Mikey682

I was checking out my buddy's MSP Academy Fitness prep guide, and on the weekly PT schedule example it had a PT test during one of the beginning weeks. Are there PT "tests" during the academy other than the PAT?
Are they p"erformance improvement" tests or do you have to meet a certain standard or get bumped out..?


Posted by: Rock

Don't know if you can be bumped for not improving or not but the Tpr. at the orals that runs the PT said that he is looking for steady improvement. He also said he's not looking for anyone to bench 400lb's but can't run a 12 min mile and he also doesn't want guys that run 5 min miles and can't bench their own weight.
That being said, anyone who doesn't improve every month just isn't putting in the effort. There is no way you can run and do strength excersise every day and not get better. If the effort is their then you'll improve whether you like it or not.
A bigger concern for me is getting off coffee! No coffee for 6 months...ouch. I'll start breaking the habit on June 1st.


Posted by: dcs2244

The early test is to establish a "baseline" by which your progress can be measured. In the "old days" you could be assigned to the "Farouks'", a motivation platoon for the "weight-challenged". And then bounced for non-performance. I don't think this standard applies today...because the "metabolically challenged" are a "federally recognized victims group".


Posted by: Pvt. Cowboy

I believe this is about the end of the line for the 174 recruits...


Posted by: IceBreaker

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pvt. Cowboy
I believe this is about the end of the line for the 174 recruits...
Congrats 78th!!!


Posted by: Sniper

Looking forward to being in their shoes next August !!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: Dane

They haven't graduated yet. Still time for more washouts. ;o)


Posted by: RPD931

Nice job for the 174 soon to be "Troopers"


Posted by: badogg88

6 months goes by pretty fast when you're NOT secondarily involved!

Congrats to the 78th!


Posted by: Bigape9

[ What time is gradguation for these fine lads today anyone know


Posted by: Dane

The fun starts around 10 am at the DCU Center (The Worcester Centrum).


Posted by: MSP75

78th RTT grads, it isn't over yet. Keep the salt in the box. Your FTOs are waiting for you. The cruiser needs a lot of washing in the winter time. A hot Medium Regular will be great.



Posted by: michaelbos

Jazz


Posted by: MSP75

Good luck to the new troopers going to OIF (Iraq).


Posted by: stubrie

Brimfield does resemble iraq, in so many ways.
Too many glenlivits for you partner.
As poor as your trainning was.....I do however, commend you.....


Posted by: Wolfman

I think he meant the guys that just graduated but are being deployed overseas.

"Poor training" - this from the guy who said:
Quote:
Yea, maybe I'll get the chance to be there one day......
And If I do- and god forbid I ever get injured, I'll never fucking quit, no matter who hates me.



Posted by: MSP75

You are correct. I meant the new troopers w/ the 24th MEU.


Posted by: Mikey682

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSP75
You are correct. I meant the new troopers w/ the 24th MEU.
These guys are the cream of the crop of the 78th, good luck to Trooper Bandini, Trooper Fiorello and Trooper Williams, we'll miss ya, come home soon and watch your back over there!


Posted by: wsc109

Mikey glad to see you made it through. Congratulations and good luck out west. I know you will do a great job when you have the desk.




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