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Posted by: Bish

I am a retired CPO after serving 34 years with the DOC. My son was hoping to follow in my foot steps. He majored in Criminal Justice and was on the Dean's List in college. He took the recent CPO exam and was interviewed on 8-7-07. The interview went well and the backround investigator came to the house 2 days later. There had been a problem with one of his references as she was a college professor and could not be reached. The investigator asked for another reference and he was provided with one. My son called the investigator back to make sure there were no problems. He was told "everything checked out." That was on 8-10-07. We received a letter dated 8-10-07 stating that he had been cleared to proceed to the next step of the pre-screening process. He was to report on Tues. 8-21-07 for his physical, PAT, Psy. test, and interview with psychiatrist. However, at 12 noon today he received a call from Human Resources not to report for his physical as "something came up" in his backround investigation. He has no criminal record, does not do drugs, and doesn't drink. He dropped $2,000 on a personal trainer in order to get in shape to pass the old PAT (Run, push ups, sit-ups). On the last CPO physical he missed by 2 push ups in 2005. He asked for an explanation and was told he would be receiving a letter from Human Resources. They wouldn't even tell me. He had worked at his previous job for a 1.5 yrs and was out only 2 days during that whole period. I realize it's impossible to always get along with everyone, but if someone did bad mouth him during the backround investigation, how damaging will that be for the future? It's the only real job he had since college. He left it in Jan. in the hopes of getting better pay. ( It was a non-profit) When he passed the Civil Service , he focused all his attention on getting in shape. He's devastated to come so close to his dream. He doesn't undestand why he was told he was approved to go to the next step only to have it pulled at the last minute. Human resources said he he could write a letter of appeal once he receives the letter from them. When he asked about the next class after Sept. he was told it's a seperate process. Any advice I can give him would be most appreciated.



Posted by: Sgt K

Bish,

Welcome to the list. Instruct your son to wait until the letter comes and then have him exercise his appeal. Additionally, after getting the letter, I'd have him reach out to the background investigator and see if he/she can provide some insight. Lastly, it's quite possible that your son didn't have anything negative "come up" last minute. It was the just the reason given to bypass your son so that they could get to some hacks relative later on the list. Attorney Brian Simoneau is on this board and he does an excellent job with these situations. Good luck.



Posted by: Bish

Dear Sgt. K
Thanks so much for taking the time to respond and offer support. My son and I are extremely grateful. He was given the impression that his name would remain on the list and that he could be called again if a need arises. He attempted to speak with the background investigator and the investigator stated he had forwarded his report. He still cannot understand why he was called by Human Resorces in regards to setting up an appointment for the physical and then receiving a letter from Human resources informing him that he is approved to continue the pre-sceening process of Physical, PAT, and psy test only to have them call back and inform him "something came up" in the background check. We were of the understanding that you don't go forward unless your background check is ok , and he had been informed earlier that everything checked out. Hopefully the letter will provide more insight. Thank you again



Posted by: Vindicated

Could it be his position on "the list"? There were 37 (out of 118 on the list) of us at the interview, and only 15 are being hired. Not sure if the list uses the same procedures as Police/Firefighter exams. Yesterday (Friday) was the last day for paperwork to be turned in for final review.

If they do go by "the list", and they go in order, that may be a large factor.



Posted by: Bish

Dear Vindicated,
Thank you for taking the time to respond. You certainly provide a valid explanation. I only wish that if what you state is true, they had explained their reason in that manner. To only refer their decision as "something came up in the background check" leaves you guessing as to what it could possibly be. Again, his BOP is clear. I know some people may be asking, his father worked 34 years and he can't get his son in? I never asked anyone in the DOC for any favors. All I ever wanted was the opportunity to go to work and do my job to the best of my ability. If my son is fortunate to be accepted into the DOC it's because of what he accomplished. There are many true professionals in our business, and I was honored to work amongst them. I hope and pray that all the new recruits entering the DOC remain safe and learn from the experience of the people they work with. Good Luck and again thank you for taking the time to offer support.



Posted by: OutOfManyOne

Also how is his credit report. That is a disqualifier for many law enforcement agencies.



Posted by: Bish

Dear Out of Many One
Thank you for taking the time to respond. He is consistently paying off his college loan which is the only debt he owes. If the reason given by Human Resources is one that could possibly be appealed, are many successful in the appeal process? He felt that he would be given a favorable reference from his past employer, but if that is not the case, and he doesn't understand why it wouldn't, how can you combat such a thing when Human resources has determined not to go forward?

Dear Vindicated
On an earlier posting you stated you scored quite high on the list and that your interview went well. Congratulations. Have you received your notice to report for PAT etc.? My son was pretty much in the middle of the pack when it came to the list. Despite that, he was still contacted and told to report for his PAT and physical believing that his background check checked out. I'm just curious if anyone else has had a similar occurance. If they cut off the hiring at a certain score, couldn't they just have indicated that rather than indicating "something came up in the background investigation" ? We are still waiting for the official letter from Human Resources what their reasoning was. No one would offer an explanation to my son over the phone.



Posted by: Bish

As a follow up to my son being told " something came up in your background investigation." No letter was received today from Human Resources. My son called Human Resources and was now told to fax or place in writing a request as to what their decision is based on. No one is willing to talk to him. He was also told that the investigator is under no obligation to explain to my son what he reported. My son has never been arrested, done drugs or drink. He had as one of his references the Chairperson of the Criminal Justice department at a Ma. State College. The investigator was unable to get in touch however. He also had high school teachers listed on his resume. He was an honor roll student in H.S and received a town scholarship at graduation. His 1st job was as a residential counselor for 3 months in a contract facility of DYS and he left because health insurance that had been promised after 3 mos did not come. He then worked as a residential counselor for 18 months in a facility with mentally handicapped individuals with criminal records. They only paid him $10.00 an hr. He left that job for a better paying job as a counselor at another house and gave only 1 week notice because he was under the impression the new place needed him rigt away. They were a close affiliate with his prior employment and they asked him to go back and work the 2nd week which he did. He remained at this new home for only a month and left along with his supervisor because they didn't feel comfortable with the way the house was being operated. He didn't put that 2nd home down on his application because it was only a month and his concerns were validated because the house is now closed. He scored an 80 on the CPO test. He was still given the impression all was ok and a letter was received for him to report for the final stage of pre-screening tomorrow (PAT, physical etc.) only to be called last Fri. and told something came up and not to report. Why can't they just let us know what it is?



Posted by: KozmoKramer

Hi Bish - just an FYI...
Don't fragment your replies into separate threads, you'll lose continuity that way and you wont maximize the input from the advising members.
Better to keep same topic issues in the existing thread.



Posted by: Vindicated

Hey Bish,

I finished the process last week, just waiting to hear one way or the other. I'd imagine with a target of Sept.10 start date, should be by the end of this week that everyone will be notified (just guessing).

Civil Service has never been one for efficiency, and chances are your son will have to go through the appeals process, where they WILL have to give a reason for not hiring him. Unfortunately, he'll already have missed the Sept. Academy. There were definitely people there that scored in the 70's (quick glance at list), so I don't think score is an issue here.

I will say there were people at the interview day "bragging" about how they "knew" people that worked in the DOC. There were even current DOC employees present interviewing for the CPO position. I can't say either way if that means anything as this is a new career opportunity for myself, and don't know the inner workings of the DOC.

Good luck...



Posted by: Bish

Dear Vindicated.
Thanks for the response and good luck to you. I wonder if the people in the DOC interviewing for the position were some of the 30 provisional CPO's who were hired after the previous CPO list expired? Also, were you aware that if you worked say for Spectrum Health Services ( Contract provider) conducting intakes on inmates and conducting risk management inquiries and decided to take the Civil Service test, they were given additional points on the test for experience. As far as knowing people is concerned. It counts for nothing. I called Human resources and asked if nothing else a little professional courtesy please and explain why at the last moment this happened to my son. They refused to talk to me. 34 years in this business and I asked 1 favor and this is what you get.



Posted by: JLT770

sounds like Asshole Resources



Posted by: kwflatbed

"I am a retired CPO after serving 34 years with the DOC."

With that much time in I would say it would be time to call in a
few favors for your son just like everyone else does.

It is a shame but that is how the game is played in assachusetts.

This is JMHO.



Posted by: Bish

To all the people who took the time out to read and to respond I want to thank you for your advice and support. I'm new here, but w/o the opportunity to communicate the frustration level would probably kill me. I took kwflatbed's advice and called someone. It went against my grain to do it, but it is your kid. No promises were made, I just asked for an explanation. There are people looking into it, and person I spoke to stated at least someone would call. Again thanks to all who gave me the opportunity to vent



Posted by: nirtallica

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bish
As a follow up to my son being told " something came up in your background investigation." No letter was received today from Human Resources. My son called Human Resources and was now told to fax or place in writing a request as to what their decision is based on. No one is willing to talk to him. He was also told that the investigator is under no obligation to explain to my son what he reported. My son has never been arrested, done drugs or drink. He had as one of his references the Chairperson of the Criminal Justice department at a Ma. State College. The investigator was unable to get in touch however. He also had high school teachers listed on his resume. He was an honor roll student in H.S and received a town scholarship at graduation. His 1st job was as a residential counselor for 3 months in a contract facility of DYS and he left because health insurance that had been promised after 3 mos did not come. He then worked as a residential counselor for 18 months in a facility with mentally handicapped individuals with criminal records. They only paid him $10.00 an hr. He left that job for a better paying job as a counselor at another house and gave only 1 week notice because he was under the impression the new place needed him rigt away. They were a close affiliate with his prior employment and they asked him to go back and work the 2nd week which he did. He remained at this new home for only a month and left along with his supervisor because they didn't feel comfortable with the way the house was being operated. He didn't put that 2nd home down on his application because it was only a month and his concerns were validated because the house is now closed. He scored an 80 on the CPO test. He was still given the impression all was ok and a letter was received for him to report for the final stage of pre-screening tomorrow (PAT, physical etc.) only to be called last Fri. and told something came up and not to report. Why can't they just let us know what it is?
LIABILITY. Get a lawyer if you are that concerned because you are not going to get an answer otherwise. There is also an appeal process through civil circus.



Posted by: Bish

Appeal to Civil Service? Would he have Civil Service protection even though he has yet to be hired?



Posted by: jj1979

Bish,

there are certain civil service rules and regulations that govern bypassing people on the list. Your son might have a claim if they violated civil service rules and regs in the process. Your son should get a form letter and you can go from there.

good luck



Posted by: Bish

If it hadn't been for this web site, I never would have been able to speak with Atty. Bob Simoneau. He's a great guy fellas. He explained our options and what to do if in fact it has to go to the Civil Service appeal process. The fact that they sent a letter stating they were pleased to offer the opportunity to proceed in the pre- employment screening process dated 8-10-07 constitutes a conditional offer of employment. They pulled that offer on 8-17-07 and we are still awaiting communication from them as to why despite having faxed a letter to them asking for an explanation and supposedly havinfg people looking into the situation. Thank you for your support jj1979

If Vindicated is out there. Have you heard anything yet? I wish you well. We still have heard absolutely no explanation as to what is the reason behind their decision. The class is supposed to start Sept. 10th. My son was instructed to contact Human Resources by the individual looking into the situation. When he did, he was informed that if he did not hear anything by the end of next week ( Aug.31) to call back the following Mon. ( Sep. 3) which ironically is Labor Day. What is extremely frustrating is the background investigator informed my son on 8-9-07 he needed to complete his report by 8-10-07. On 8-10-07 we received a call from Human Resources scheduling the physical, PAT etc. on 8-21-07. If there were concerns with his background investigation, why was the letter sent? I'd really like to hear from you vindicated as how your process is going.



Posted by: Irish Wampanoag

The DOC may have him on a reserve list an will sent him a condition of employment a week before the academy starts and tell him to show up at Shirley on Sept 10th. I have heard and been a victim of many agencies doing this. Its called lets screw with the screw.



Posted by: Bish

Dear Irish Wampanoag,
Thank you for taking the time to read and respond. It has been one helluva week since DOC called and told us not to report for the physical etc after sending a letter telling us they were pleased to offer my son the opportunity to proceed with the pre-screening process by going for the physical etc on 8-21-07 then calling on 8-17-07 and informing him on 8-17-07 that something came up in his background check that caused someone to determine that he is not to go forward despite having a clean BOP. I assume you have read the other postings and therefore I'm assuming you are aware of the frustration.
My wife is having a very difficult time in trying to understand why this is happening. Yesterday, it was confirmed that Human Resources finally put a letter out to my son. Hopefully it will explain what their reason was. I have heard of people being called at the last minute, but to report to the traing class w/o having passed a physical, PAT, and psy test, is that possible?



Posted by: federal officer

Simoneau ! it must run in the family !!!
I know R. Simoneau here and he is a stand up guy as well



Posted by: Bish

I meant Atty. Brian Simoneau. Sorry



Posted by: BartA1

Bish,


If your son has not completed all the steps in the process. I doubt he will be starting in september. If I am not mistaken if he goes through the bypass process with Civil Service and they find that the appointing authority violated the rules and regs their ruling will be that your son be placed first on the list and hired at the next interval. I would verify this with an attorney. I hope it works out for you

Good Luck



Posted by: Bish

Thank you BartA1 for taking the time to offer advice and support.
He's just asking for an explanation as to why they informed him he could proceed, and then remove him from consideration w/o offering any type of explanation other than the "something came up in your background check." Well, what was it because it is a complete surprise to him It's been a week and supposedly they sent a letter to him on Fri. with an explanation as to what the something is, but it took the intervention of several people within the DOC to get their Human Resources just to respond in writing. 2 people were looking into it and were going to get back to us. When nothing happened by this past Fri. he was told to call Human Resources which he did. When he did, they told him to stop calling but to call back on 9-3-07 which is Labor Day. He called the person back who told him to call in the 1st place. This person called him back around 4PM on Fri and informed my son that Human Resources will finally be sending their letter with hopefully an explanation out that day. It's been awhile since I took a Civil Service test but will he be able to remain on the certified list for consideratiion for the next class, or will he have to prove he was bypassed? Human Resources can say what they want to justify their position, but the only true evidence in hand is the letteer they sent out on 8-10-07 telling my son they were pleased to offer him the opportunity to proceed in the pre-screening process consisiting of physical ,PAT, etc. then puling it with the phone call on 8-17-07 stateing "something came up" , and not to report. Thanks again to everyone who has taken the time to respond.



Posted by: JLT770

Persistence is key, ever hear of a man named Andy Dufresne?



Posted by: PBiddy35

All it takes is time and pressure.



Posted by: Vindicated

Hey Bish,

Sorry to hear about all the stuff going on. I'm done with the process, have been for over a week now. Just checking the mailbox these days for confirmation, one way or another. Fingers crossed, as this hopes to be my final career resting place...



Posted by: Bish

Dear Vindicated.
Hang in there. I can't understand why they're being so difficult. They have career days at local colleges and job fairs trying to recruit people for a very difficult job When they get people willing to make the sacrifices necessary to do the job and commit to the job. they string you along. I was once one of those guys trying to recruit people at Northeastern.



Posted by: Bish

The letter was finally received from Human Resources. He had worked only 2 jobs since leaving college both as a residential counselor for non-profit agencies earning $10.00 per hour while awaiting to take Civil service exams. His 1st job was only 3 months and he left over a dispute over health insurance which was promised but never came. Most people probably wouldn't have put that down on the application, He did and his honesty cost him as they gave a negative reference. His 2nd job was 18 months. He left there giving only 1 week notice because he was under the impression this new job neeeded him right away. The new job was a close affiliate of his 2nd job and asked him to go back and work the 2nd week. He did and the 2nd job said he could come back if it didn't work out. He worked only a month at the 3rd job. His supervisor and the person who hired him quit after his 1st week. He did give the 3rd job 2 weeks notice. He didn't put this down on the application because the home closed down after he left and no longer exists.
The letter stated he is not being offered the CPO A/B position due to unfavorable background investigation ( 2 negative employment references) and that he can appeal the decision to Civil Service. Following receipt of the letter, he called the facility where he worked 18 months and spoke with the person he used as a reference. The person confirmed he spoke with a represenative from DOC and that he in fact gave my son a FAVORABLE reference. He also told my son that he would be willing to take him back today. Obviously he will try to appeal, But is his career over before it really gets started? The form included did not state his name was taken off the certified list but the letter stated they could no longer offer him the appointment. Thanks to all who took the time and gave us support



Posted by: C.O. I

Bish, I Didn't think it was legal for a former employer to give a bad reference. I would get a lawyer involved. I can't believe the HRD is being so picky. The DOC is such short staffed that we need all the help we can get. Not to mention they are having a hard time finding people to actually join the department. Good luck to your son.



Posted by: Bish

Thank you C.O.I
I don't know if it's legal or not myself. Atty. Simoneau is looking into it for us.
With the exception of putting down a job he worked at for 3 months and left in a dispute over health insurance, he's not stupid. He honestly thought he would receive a favorable reference from where he worked for 18 months. This job paid him $10 an hr and provided him experience with working with a very difficult clientle while waiting to take Civil Service exams. Hell, the pay wasn't more than working at Dunkin Donuts. Would DOC say no if he had put too much sugar in your coffee?



Posted by: KozmoKramer

Hey Bish - how far back does the DOC go for employment references? 5, 10 years? The Cradle?

Quote:
The only thing a former employer (in Mass., anyways) can do is confirm the dates that you've worked for them.
C.O. I - FedUp - that is a gross misnomer concerning employment law that I hear all too frequently.
There are no specific laws in any state that I have ever come across which prevent furnishing a truthful negative reference.
Anytime an employer adopts that philosophy it it almost always based on internal policy decisions of the employer.
And at the very least a reference can and usualy does include:
Any acts of violence, theft, harassment, or illegal conduct which are documented in the employees personnel record and have resulted in legal action and \ or disciplinary termination.
Now that being said, almost all (if not all) states states do have legal protections making it illegal for an employer to intentionally provide false information about you.
Please do not be fooled into thinking an ex-employer cannot provide honest negative information about you if it is demonstrably true.
If anybody has a concern about an ex-employer, I would at the very least request a copy of your entire personnel folder.
Usually any red flags (if any) will be in there, but your boss can also editorialize (especially on a telephone), and if it is true; good luck fighting it in court...



Posted by: Bish

Thank you for all the information provided. I suppose he will have to obtain his folder. He left both jobs on his own accord. Not giving 2 weeks notice certainly has come to haunt him. He didn't on one and went back and completed the 2nd week on the other. He was never terminated or disciplined.
As far as going back in employment history is concerned, they asked for employment dating back 5 yrs. He was a full time college student and worked only summer jobs while in school. Can anyone tell me if he still remains on the certificaton list for possible consideration for later hire? They did not check off his name as being removed from the eligibility list. The letter stated he was no longer being considered for appointment due to unsatisfactory background investigation., and that he can appeal to Civil Service. Ok , you appeal, but it's a he said they said affair. The bottom line is that it always boils down to how the background investigator interprets the info and incorporates it into his report. Some are of the opinion that if someone can't cut it, it will be fairly evident within the training academy and he will wash out. Also, if there is some doubt, let him prove his mettle at the academy. I know of many good people who at first were thought that no way could they make it thru the academy. Throught their hard work and commitment, they did, and became assets to the department.



Posted by: Vindicated

Kozmo is right here. An employer has to provide truthful/factual information, which in this case, will obviously be presented during an appeal process. It's called and "Adverse Action", if what the employer stated is false, and it is a narrow scope. During discovery up to your appeal date with Civil Service, it may behoove you to look into an employment lawyer, as well as a Civil Service attorney.

Anyways, received a "conditional offer". Apparently they haven't finished everything, my only guess is the drug tests have not come back. Otherwise, I had to send paperwork back to say I still want the job, and they will confirm with a phone call. In any event, they stated to be prepared to show up in Shirley, on the tenth(10th) of September.

Good luck to you Bish.



Posted by: C.O. I

Bish, Not for nothing, but I actually failed the interview process during the hiring process. Apparently I didnt give the right answers to the interview board, So I sat back and waited and I actually got another chance. Tell your son not to give up and keep fighting the fight. If he wants to be a screw that bad he can try the feds or even County for they are always hiring to. good luck.



Posted by: Bish

Good Luck to you Vindicated. I wish you well. I supervised many CPO's over my years, and it sounds as if the Department got a good one in you. You gave us a great deal of support and I'm grateful. If I can be of any help or offer advice along the way, please ask away. Thanks again

Thanks C.O. I for the encouragement. It's greatly appreciated. When that happened to you did you receive the same type of letter stating that they were no longer able to offer you the position? I'm trying to explain to my wife that this may be just a bump in the road, and he might be called back for the next class. I don't know if that's the case considering they told him he could appeal to Civil Service. Again they said the reason was due to unsatisfactory background investigation. Reason being negative employment references That was what was checked off. They did not check off that his name was removed from the eligibility list. You stuck with it C.O.I Your perseverance paid off. I told my wife about what happened to you. She asked , Really? Yes.
It was the first time we cracked a smile in a week. Thanks again.



Posted by: csauce777

Quote:
Originally Posted by KozmoKramer
Hey Bish - how far back does the DOC go for employment references? 5, 10 years? The Cradle?

C.O. I - FedUp - that is a gross misnomer concerning employment law that I hear all too frequently.
There are no specific laws in any state that I have ever come across which prevent furnishing a truthful negative reference.
Anytime an employer adopts that philosophy it it almost always based on internal policy decisions of the employer.


And at the very least a reference can and usualy does include:
  • Dates of Employment
  • Compensation and Wage History (including increases \ decreases)
  • Job Description including Responsibilities and Duties
  • Training and Education provided by the employer
  • and MOST IMPORTANTLY:
Any acts of violence, theft, harassment, or illegal conduct which are documented in the employees personnel record and have resulted in legal action and \ or disciplinary termination.


Now that being said, almost all (if not all) states states do have legal protections making it illegal for an employer to intentionally provide false information about you.
Please do not be fooled into thinking an ex-employer cannot provide honest negative information about you if it is demonstrably true.
If anybody has a concern about an ex-employer, I would at the very least request a copy of your entire personnel folder.
Usually any red flags (if any) will be in there, but your boss can also editorialize (especially on a telephone), and if it is true; good luck fighting it in court...
Not to mention that anyone seeking this type of job, or any for that matter, likely signed a background release form with language that authorizes the investigator to obtain any information, from anyone, about you. Unless you could prove false information was given with the intent to slander you, the argument sounds fruitless in my opinion.



Posted by: Bish

Chapter 149 Sec. 52C of MGL claims that any organization employing 20 or more people must maintain personnel files. Certainly any discipline or any supervisory notes pro or con should be included in that file. The employer must provide the files within 5 days upon written receipt. Now it has come to our attention that these past employers claim that in their opinion , he could not perform the duties of the job. This is for a CPO position. He is a college graduate - Dean's List. He certainly can research and obtain necessary information for the preparation of classification reports. He is computer literate so he can certainly research criminal histories and had done so in his capacity as a student intern in a juvenile probation department of which he received a letter of recommendation. Physically, upon learning his score, he invested in a personal trainer and has been training 4 days a week despite having been told the PAT has been drastically reduced. He has passed mock physical tests under the old format and the background investigator contacted the trainer who confirmed this . If he had applied just out of college, I wonder what the decision would have been? 2 employers commenting that in their opinion he could not do the job. If he was such a bad employee, why wasn't he terminated or disciplined? How much do they actually know about the job? I believe a better indicator as to whether an individual can do the job is basically 3 fold. You are interviewed by professional correctional staff who undoubtedly are familiar with the qualifications of the job. If you pass the interview process, your physical fitness is tested to measure you up against the rigors of the job. If you pass that component, your mental stability is tested by the Psy. test and the interview with the psychiatrist. I'd always put far more emphasis on the outcome of those tests. (After all, why do them in the 1st place) rather than the opinions of others who are not familiar with the requirements of the job, and may have personality issues against you. Also, why is there a probationary period? I guess it's because we are human and apt to make mistakes and maybe those in control are not too sure about the people they choose. We are supposedly rehabilitating inmates and giving them a second chance at life. It's a shame that someone who desperately wants to get in this business, and invested so much of his young life in preparing for this opportunity can't get a 1st chance.



Posted by: Vindicated

I hope they are not using a two weeks notice as an excuse on your sons background. As they are giving CO/CPO's less than that, official calls and notices went out yesterday to put in our notices with our current employers. My math says thats 10 days...



Posted by: Bish

Congratulations again Vindicated. We all wish you the best. He called the reference of the job he left and went back for the 2nd and final week. The reference stated he gave a favorable reference and confirmed he would take him back. Supposedly, these 2 employers gave the impression that he could not do the job of a CPO. The expertise of the staff at the Training Academy are better qualified to make that evaluation than anyone. Dean's List in Criminal Justice . Reference from the Chairperson of the Criminal Justice Department of his college. Letter of recommendation from the probation department which he served his student internship. Honor roll student in high school. Awarded town scholarship at graduation. Yet he goes to 2 jobs, one for 3 months working overnight as a residential counselor with the only requirement a H.S diploma or GED. Leaves when health insurance that was promised never comes. Failed to properly give 2 weeks notice and should not have used them on his resume but he did because he was too damn honest.
Second job was also as a residential counselor working with mentally handicapped individuals taking them to hosp. appointments, volunteer work, etc and recording logs. Again, only requirement was H.S. or GED. Both paid $10 an hr. He wanted to gain experience working with a diifficult clientle before joining DOC. When he was offered a better paying job and was given the impression they needed him right away, he left giving 1 week's notice. When asked if he could come back and give 2nd week, he worked it out with the new job and he went back. Now it has come to light that the specifics of the unsatisfactory evaluation stems from these employers giving the impression that he could not do the job of a CPO. We have been in touch with an attorney and have 60 days to file an appeal with Civil Service. Again thank you to all who have taken the time to read and respond



Posted by: invince

Bish what was the outcome after that extensive process ? Did your son ever make it in ? Im going through the process myself right now . Due to your son listing employers which he didnt give his two weeks . I wont even put them down on my resume as I have five of them from ages 17-21 . I wonder if they look into your past employment record some how . Oh well Im going to put all my good employers down and see what happends . Well hopefully all is well .





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The Massachusetts Law Enforcement Network opened in 1998 and is now a part of the New England Police Network The site is a pro-police discussion forum intended for sworn police officers and civilian law enforcement officials as well as those interested in pursuing a career in law enforcement here in Massachusetts.

The goal of The Massachusetts Law Enforcement Network is to provide an informal network of law enforcement officials here in Massachusetts for educational and informational purposes.

The forum covers many topics such as Police Related News Articles, Agency & Profession Discussions, Police Training as well as Law Enforcement Career Information.

The Massachusetts Law Enforcement Network and The New England Police Network (NEPN) and it's network sites are privately owned websites/domains and are not affiliated with or endorsed by any government association or agency.

MassCops (masscops.com) and (masscop.com) are privately owned are not affiliated with or endorsed by the Massachusetts Coalition of Police (masscop.org)



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