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Posted by: tms1989

I just had a meeting with the AF recruiter the other day, I did very well on all the preliminary tests, medical looks great, good grades in school, no criminal record. The only problem is my eyesight is not perfect, if I do well on my ASVAB test, is there any chance I can get a waiver for the vision requirements?

Specifically my eyesight is 20/20 in the stronger eye, 20/50 corrected in the weaker eye, 20/20 and 20/30 are the SF requirements,
I'm not color blind, and have no depth perception problems

Thanks

Posted by: dannymack

You know I don't think you will have a problem with the eyesight because some of the guys that I have worked with are damn near blind without their glasses and/or contacts.

I think the only thing is that you can't be color-blind which you say you aren't. As far as the ASVAB scores go it doesn't take a whole lot to get into this career field, it actually takes a higher score just to get into the AF than it does to be in SF. Also you should be aware if you are coming in to do LE stuff that part of our career is slowly wittling away as the mission is going to a more Air Base Defense role and backfilling the Army. PM me if you have any other questions.

-Dan

Posted by: Air Force Cop

5 years in SF here. You will do very little in LE. if any at all. Your better off going into a cushie office job where you can take classes at night and get your degree while you in for free, medical field or admin (plus the better woman are in those jobs). Active duty get 100% tuitaion ass. If you are a SF you worked screwed up shifts and wont beable to go to class. The training is fun but the job sucks. I spent 3 years in a weapon storage area reading maxium magizine and goofing off and the last 2 at a special assignment doing a semi LE/DV job, and getting deployed inbetween. The training you get a SF is great, but it will not help on the outside. During the hiring on the outside LE process it never really came up. As long as your a vet you will be all set. Get something eles with you time, go be a plumber or something interesting or get your education so when you get out you will have other options to fall back on, or to do on your days off when there are no details. The recruiter will tell you what you want to here.

Posted by: Kem25

Also you should be aware if you are coming in to do LE stuff that part of our career is slowly wittling away as the mission is going to a more Air Base Defense role and backfilling the Army.

I agree! I had many friends that were Security Forces and when they were separating they had no desire to continue with LE as a career because they were so fed up with SF. If you can go for EOD (Bomb Squad). Those guys work with local, state and federal law enforcement on a regular basis. Regardless of what career field you choose just be prepared to deploy as it is definite it will happen. Good Luck!

Posted by: NegroRotary

Anything but SF, you will be deploy a lot, SF are fast becoming the Air Force infantry.

Posted by: redsox03

All the SF Ive seen only did 4 month deployments. They just did traffic enforcement for the most part.

Posted by: mpd61

Not to be a wise guy...

You should probably consider the Coast Guard for anything like L.E. experience. I believe the previous posters may agree!

Posted by: NegroRotary

Coast guard only have LE in the reserve, don't know if that matter, just a FYI.

Posted by: AFchris77

if u want L.E. go coast guard. all we do in SF is deploy and backfill army and do air base defense. negrorotary's right. quickly becoming air force infantry. also we're up to 6 month deployments now plus training. if you want L.E. you'd have to be sent to a busy active duty base like lackland or something. other than that your in a security function unless you score K9.

Posted by: NegroRotary

FYI, K9 only on active duty as well, don't know if you want to go active or reserve, something to consider.

Posted by: tms1989

I heard that once you graduate form SF tech school, you have an associates degree in criminal justice, the same supposedly does for all other career fields as well, I just wanted to know if this is true or not

Posted by: redsox03

I dont think so.....

Posted by: dannymack

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Originally Posted by tms1989

I heard that once you graduate form SF tech school, you have an associates degree in criminal justice, the same supposedly does for all other career fields as well, I just wanted to know if this is true or not

Haha, no you won't get an AAS (Associate of Applied Science) in CJ you will get about 21 credits though. It takes about 64 credits to get an associates degree through the CCAF. They now have a deal with several schools that allow you to get a bachelor's and not have to do more than 60 credits. It's called the Associate to Bachelor's Program. Some of the other folks on here are right though if you want LE I would go Navy or Coast Guard. You can do AFOSI in the AF, but it is very competitive and you must first serve in another career field first. If you google it, the home page is the third link or so.

-Dan

Posted by: tms1989

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannymack

Haha, no you won't get an AAS (Associate of Applied Science) in CJ you will get about 21 credits though. It takes about 64 credits to get an associates degree through the CCAF.

-Dan

Hmm, i guess my recruiter forgot to mention that

, but 21 credits are better than nothing

Posted by: redsox03

Thats funny, I thought recruiters always told the truth.

Posted by: dannymack

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Originally Posted by redsox03

Thats funny, I thought recruiters always told the truth.

My recruiter was down in Woonsocket and he was great. Didn't sugarcoat anything and did a pretty good job of preparing me for basic training. I don't recall him lying about anything.

Posted by: tms1989

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannymack

My recruiter was down in Woonsocket and he was great. Didn't sugarcoat anything and did a pretty good job of preparing me for basic training. I don't recall him lying about anything.

My recruiter is out of the Woonsocket office too

Posted by: dannymack

My recruiter has since PCS'ed, but what is the recruiter's name?

Posted by: tms1989

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannymack

My recruiter has since PCS'ed, but what is the recruiter's name?

Sgt Mike Clark

Posted by: NegroRotary

You can take clep test and you will get the AAS fast, i'm 10 credits away from getting it

Posted by: dannymack

Quote:

Originally Posted by NegroRotary

You can take clep test and you will get the AAS fast, i'm 10 credits away from getting it

Yes, you can essentially get your AAS without ever having to step foot into the classroom, by CLEP'ing all the subjects. 10 credits to go huh Negro? Good job, it took me 6.5 yrs to get my CCAF.

Posted by: NegroRotary

well I have college credits from another college, so that's how I got lucky, i'm enrolled in 12 credits this semester, so I should be done with it this Dec. Then working on Bachelor for the quin bill lol

Posted by: dannymack

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Originally Posted by NegroRotary

well I have college credits from another college, so that's how I got lucky, i'm enrolled in 12 credits this semester, so I should be done with it this Dec. Then working on Bachelor for the quin bill lol

I think an AAS also counts towards the Quinn Bill as long as it's in CJ and it's accredited.

Posted by: AFCOP

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannymack

I think an AAS also counts towards the Quinn Bill as long as it's in CJ and it's accredited.

An associates gets you something like 10 or 15% from the Quinn.... but it has to be from a college or university that is reconized by the state board of higher ed.... Which the CCAF is not....

http://www.osfa.mass.edu/quinnbill/approved_schools.htm

Posted by: NegroRotary

I think is has to be "accredited by the New England Association of Colleges and Secondary Schools or by the board of higher education, and shall be credited for the purpose of determining points under this section, notwithstanding the date of appointment of an individual to a position described in the first paragraph of this section", so CCAF doesn't count.

Posted by: DoD102

Definitly agree with the above posters. I just finished 21 years in the military, April 12th. 12 out of my 14 years in the USAFR was SF. There is no more LE. You will be the grunt of the AF. I'd go Coast Guard or Navy and try to get into NCIS. At least it'll carry over into civilian life if you don't make a career fo the military

Posted by: AFCOP

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Originally Posted by NegroRotary

I think is has to be "accredited by the New England Association of Colleges and Secondary Schools or by the board of higher education, and shall be credited for the purpose of determining points under this section, notwithstanding the date of appointment of an individual to a position described in the first paragraph of this section", so CCAF doesn't count.

Isnt that what I just said "yourya???" see you this drill weekend

-g

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Originally Posted by sarge439

Definitly agree with the above posters. I just finished 21 years in the military, April 12th. 12 out of my 14 years in the USAFR was SF. There is no more LE. You will be the grunt of the AF. I'd go Coast Guard or Navy and try to get into NCIS. At least it'll carry over into civilian life if you don't make a career fo the military

Or you could go AF and then cross-train to AFOSI... strop trying to lead the lemmings to other branches Sarge!.... trying to cross train myself to OSI but have to move from the air national garage to the air force preserves.... not such an easy process....

Posted by: NegroRotary

lmao!

Posted by: DoD102

Well eeeeexcuuuuuusssse meeeeeee. LMAO

Posted by: AFCOP

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarge439

Well eeeeexcuuuuuusssse meeeeeee. LMAO

You're excused... As you were and carry on etc etc..

Posted by: NegroRotary

Funny guy eeeeeeeeehh!

Posted by: mpd61

Silly AF fly-pussies!

Posted by: afpara

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Originally Posted by sarge439

...There is no more LE...

Then what the heck was I just doing at Beale. Every active duty base that I've ever heard of has LE. Otherwise I had no reason to write those 1805's and 1408's. And no reason whatsoever to be out there following up on domestics and such... Or are you talking about the ANG and AFR.

Posted by: NegroRotary

mpd we don't fly lol

Posted by: redsox03

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpd61

Silly AF fly-pussies!

Hey, those 4 month AF deployments are hard man.

Posted by: AFCOP

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsox03

Hey, those 4 month AF deployments are hard man.

4 month deployments for SF????? how do i get one of those????

Posted by: redsox03

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Originally Posted by AFCOP

4 month deployments for SF????? how do i get one of those????

All the AF SF I have seen did 4 months? All they did was give gun trucks a hard time. We would be going 10-15 over trying to catch up to the rest of the convoy leaving the wire. Its always fun when half your sqaud is a sitting duck outside the wire because an AF fobbit pulls your last truck over for speeding to catch up.
AF EOD had it rough though, they had to do 6 months. lol

Posted by: NegroRotary

Our guy did 6months, when I was in the Army I did one year tour.

Posted by: mpd61

Quote:

Originally Posted by NegroRotary

Our guy did 6months, when I was in the Army I did one year tour.

Jeezum,

I've got about two years under water without seeing the sun...any wonder why I am like I am?

And Af fly-pussies do fly, right to the top four club every afternoon!

Posted by: NegroRotary

Man that have to be tough, but I least you get to go places, don't you?

Posted by: screamineagle

Quote:

Originally Posted by NegroRotary

Man that have to be tough, but I least you get to go places, don't you?

yeah, he got to go under water for 2 years.

Posted by: afpara

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsox03

Last time I checked ALL Security Forces deployments were 6 months, unless you're Guard or Reserve. If I'm wrong, I'll be home 2 months sooner than expected!

Oh, and if you were ready to roll out when you were supposed to, you wouldn't have needed to catch up.

Posted by: redsox03

Quote:

Originally Posted by afpara

It's called traffic. We would all leave our motor pool at the same time, that didnt mean that we would all get to the gate at the same time. We should of been able to go through the stop signs so we could stay together. To bad you AF fobbits would bust our balls about that too. I dont blame you guys though, you've never been outside the wire. You guys dont know any better.
6 months off busting soldier's balls must be rough, how do u do it?

Posted by: afpara

It's actually a lot of fun, because I used to be one of you. And I dealt with it for 12 years! Now I'm on the other side

Anyway, if you were going on a convoy, they should have blocked all traffic so you could stay together.

Posted by: DoD102

Ouch!!

We're all on the same team now....aren't we?

OK I have to ask....where the hell is Klamath?

Posted by: redsox03

Quote:

Originally Posted by afpara

they should have blocked all traffic so you could stay together.

You would think they would do that........ Im sure they had a tough day, it is the AF.

Go pull a plane over.

Posted by: afpara

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsox03

You would think they would do that........ Im sure they had a tough day, it is the AF.

Go pull a plane over.

It's not as easy as it sounds. Them pilots think they're Army or something, give us the same disregard...

Posted by: AFchris77

lol dont worry about redsox03, he's just bitter about not having an asvab score high enough to cross into the blue yet :P and MPD is upset because he wasnt allowed to become an SF and join the 439th after umentionable details regarding dod policing....

someday gentlemen you'll be able to join the near beer regiments of the security forces. Where 6 month deployments become 8, and you get to fill in and cover for the Army's ass becuz of in lieu of missions.but dont worry lol we love to do it, where else are we gonna get combat pay? but dont listen to me im just that smart air force cop who wants to switch to the Army nat'l guard and join the 211th MP battalion in about 3 yrs when my agr contract's up heh. aint life great?

Posted by: redsox03

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFchris77

lol dont worry about redsox03, he's just bitter about not having an asvab score high enough to cross into the blue yet :P and MPD is upset because he wasnt allowed to become an SF and join the 439th after umentionable details regarding dod policing....

someday gentlemen you'll be able to join the near beer regiments of the security forces. Where 6 month deployments become 8, and you get to fill in and cover for the Army's ass becuz of in lieu of missions.but dont worry lol we love to do it, where else are we gonna get combat pay? but dont listen to me im just that smart air force cop who wants to switch to the Army nat'l guard and join the 211th MP battalion in about 3 yrs when my agr contract's up heh. aint life great?

Your just bitter because you don't have the balls to be all you can be. It's funny you should talk about ASVAB scores. It's ASVAB, not asvab. It's an acronym buddy. It's because, not ''becuz''. Also they are called capital letters, use them when you start a new sentence. Use the space bar after you complete a sentence. It's funny you get combat pay when you haven't seen a second of combat. My tooth brush has seen more combat than you. No, those pillow fights and naked wet towel fights you flyboys have in the shower don't count as combat.

Posted by: afpara

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Originally Posted by sarge439

Ouch!!

OK I have to ask....where the hell is Klamath?

20 miles from the California border.

Posted by: okie317

Unless things have changed a lot since I got off active duty that info is false. Also FYI a CCAF doesn't mean crap on the outside, especially in Mass if you want to be a cop elgible for the Quinn Bill.

Posted by: DoD102

WOW!! Getting nasty here. Klamath....thanks. 20 miles from the Cali border but what State or Country

?? And by the way. Army MP's can out shoot, out manuver and definitly out soldier AF "cops". PLUS...and here's the BIG one folks. The Army takes better care of it's people. An NCO put's his troops first in the Army, not him/herself first like in the AF SFS! Anyway, I probably should stop now before I PO Gil.

And okie you are right. As far as I know that CCAF degree is not transferable. I might be wrong though.

Posted by: okie317

Sarge, the ccaf is non transferable. The only credits that transfer are ones fron actually going to class, the credits you receive from military training do not count as credits (although some colleges count boot camp as pt and will give you a few credits towards electives for having military experience) You are also dead on about AF NCO's it's all about the stripes and the money but most seem to forget the responsibility that should come with the rank. I cannot speak for all units, but all the Security Forces units i was assigned to lacked any kind of camaraderie.

Posted by: okie317

Sarge, you are correct it's not transferrable as a whole. Some colleges will give you PE credit for boot camp and also some credits towards electives for having military experience but lets face it no college is gonna give you a degree in CJ just because you were a SP in the Air Force!!! You are also dead on about AF NCO's they are just out for the $$$ and don't take seriously the responsibility that comes with the rank. I also think this is in part to the AF promotion testing. People are promoted because of a test not because of how well they do their job. I wasn't even in 4 years when I made E-5 and there were other E-5's that had been in for 10+ years who knew there jobs and had served in times of war, the guys that you would trust with your life. I felt like an idiot for being the same rank as them just because I was a good test taker!

Posted by: afpara

Alright Sarge, I'm from Oregon. A quick Google search for Klamath Falls would show you that.

Sarge and okie, I agree that Army NCO's are better at taking care of the troops. As it is, I was an E-6 in the Infantry before transferring to AF Security Forces. Having said that, let me put together a team from my squadron and put it up against a team from your beloved Army MP unit, and we'll smoke the hell out of you!!!

Comeraderie in the AF is nothing like in the Army. And doesn't even come close to that shared in the Airborne. Even after 10 years, I still talk to many of my platoon mates. But I will say we are better taken care of. I went on a two week exercise to Canada and stayed at a 4-star hotel at a golf resort

Posted by: NegroRotary

wow, what happened here? the great debate!

Posted by: billb

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsox03

All the SF Ive seen only did 4 month deployments. They just did traffic enforcement for the most part.

The Air Force deploys in 4 month rotations (true), AF SF do not. We deploy in 6, 9 and 12 month rotations. Our time between deployments can be as little as 6 months but is "supposed" to be 12-18 months.

We do take on L&O (Law & Order) missions and work for the local Provost Marshall, Detainee Operations and Force Protection Missions. Force Protection is the patrolling of the battle space 5 to 13 klicks outside the perimeter. This patrolling function used to be limited to 5 klicks but has been expanded due to the Army no longer providing that function for us.

"In Lieu Of" missions are mostly what we are performing right now. Those are mission we perform "in lieu of" the Army or Marines. The Army is 30,000 people smaller than it wants to be and what it's opstempo dictates... so we are filling in. I returned recently from a 9 monthh deployment where I was working with the Iraqi Police in and around Tikrit. Mounted and dismounted combat patrols was the every day norm.

As far as not working LE (Law Enforcement)... it depends where you are stationed and your rank. I work at Hanscom and our sole mission is Law Enforcement (when not deployed).

As far as the Army vs Air Force crap...

I was an Infantryman (11B) for many many years... I got out of the Army in '94 and came back in the Air Force after 9-11... got stationed at Hanscom to be close to home...

Sounds like a bunch or reservists whining at each other about things they have very limited scope...

Here's my two cents... I have seen outstanding Army units and lousy Army units... I have seen outstanding AF units and lousy... I have met great NCO's
in the Army and Air Force and have met ass clowns from both.

Army MP units usually train more for deployed missions than the Air Force do... the Air Force units have to maintain home base security responsibilities that the Army doesn't... thus Army MP units will operate at a higher level at the initial phase of a deployment... AF units usually have to develop and mature into it over a longer period.

As far as Police work... the AF and Navy cops have a lot more authority to investigate and operate as law enforcement... it's not the soldiers fault... but Army and Marine doctrine places a lower threshold on when MPI or CID has to get involved.

Army and Marine MP units have more specialized units... like traffic investigation... all AF cops have this responsibility and will have accident investigators assigned to the shift, as patrolman or supervisors... any who... there are differences but having worked both sides I can say both sides of this argument are wrong, and are not as educated about "the other side" as you need to be.

'nuff said, continue on with your inter-service rivalry.. it is entertaining.

Posted by: afpara

You're right billb maybe I'm not qualified, I only spent 12 years in the Army, as a combat engineer, 11H and 11B. Plus my first duty station was an Airborne assignment. Now that I'm in the Air Force, and have seen both sides, I think I'm quite qualified in the matters of this debate...And I'm sure you and I aren't the only ones!

My point is this. Based on the time I've spent in the Air Force and the NCO's I've dealt with, they are seriously lacking in the support of their troops. There is too much emphasis placed on LOR's, LOC's and such whereas in the Army it was all about corrective training, i.e. push-ups, sit-ups and everyone's favorite, THE FLUTTER KICK!!! There is also a serious lack of esprit-de-corps compared to the Army. Hell, if it wasn't for the excellent digs on deployments, I'd have gone back to the Army instead of re-upping on the other side!

Posted by: redsox03

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Originally Posted by afpara

THE FLUTTER KICK!!!

1 2 3, 1 2 3

My fav to use though..............Front, back, GOs!!!!!!

Posted by: billb

Quote:

Originally Posted by afpara

You're right billb maybe I'm not qualified, I only spent 12 years in the Army, as a combat engineer, 11H and 11B. Plus my first duty station was an Airborne assignment. Now that I'm in the Air Force, and have seen both sides, I think I'm quite qualified in the matters of this debate...And I'm sure you and I aren't the only ones!

My point is this. Based on the time I've spent in the Air Force and the NCO's I've dealt with, they are seriously lacking in the support of their troops. There is too much emphasis placed on LOR's, LOC's and such whereas in the Army it was all about corrective training, i.e. push-ups, sit-ups and everyone's favorite, THE FLUTTER KICK!!! There is also a serious lack of esprit-de-corps compared to the Army. Hell, if it wasn't for the excellent digs on deployments, I'd have gone back to the Army instead of re-upping on the other side!

I guess we will agree to disagree. I am under the impression you are in the AF reserves or National Guard... although I have seen what you refer to I have also seen plenty of "hands-on" leadership. My troops receive wall to wall counseling before they receive paper work and Im not the only one. However, your observations do have merit... but that will also change when the AF starts training and deploying as whole units... that is where the espirit de corps you are talking about will come back... anywho... I have deployed to Iraq and patrolled the streets of Tikrit with Airmen... my 45 Airman Detachment was assigned to an Army MP Battalion and I was not impressed by them (the Army MPs) at all... we performed better... we actually conducted WARNORDs, OPORDs and AARs... we actually conducted re-hearsals prior to departing... this does not mean I think all Army MPs are incompetent jack-holes...

Posted by: NegroRotary

Lets the debate continue!

Posted by: tacpup82

Ok, I was security forces for 5 years..I am damn near blind, and I still did the job. Be aware, that this career field is no longer doing alot of law enforcment with the exception of a few units. They are now working with the army, and doing infantry style work. SF does the army rotations if they get army orders...dont know where people are getting this 4 month crap. Thats the rest of the AF. The cops tend to get kicked around...you are not the mission, just the support. I camein befoer 9-11, served though it, and have see all the changes. I still have close ties with alot of people who are still in. If you are looking for a job where you will get all the overtime in the world and not get paid for it (prepare for 20 hour days), lose your holidays, and get to play army soldier, then this is the job for you. I enjoyed my time in, but I had some sweet assignments with the presidential squadron and out in Germany, did my tours in the sandbox and loved it, but when you are in a career field with the highest suicide rate, that should tell you something.... let me give yous ome advise..DONT GO SF...do something worth while like intelligence or something like that. The SF doesnt prepare you for civillian law enforcment, and the only edge youll get is the fact you can put that you were military on your resume.

Posted by: sherifflittle

damn a blind SFS...

Posted by: Foxy85

Security Forces used to be Security Police....From the Security Police there were 2 different groups you could join....Security Police (Security division) and Security Police (Law Enforcement Division).....Somewhere along the lines they merged the two into Security Forces. Security divsion use to guard air fields, and basically do nothing but look pretty, while alot of the LE guys did the civilian police type job. Both jobs had their perks, but it depended what you wanted to get out of it.

When I enlisted, my recruiter told me I could be patroling a base like normal police officers, or I could be guarding a missle silo out in the middle of no where. There is no more specific LE division....

My father was an SP in the AF for 20 years, and worked up in Loring AFB for the last five years it was open. He was told to make rank to MSgt. or take a Clinton buy out....So he did what any enlisted man would do if someone waved a $70,000 dollar check in front of there face and got out. This was the Clinton era when he decided the military needed to be downsized. Not sure why I told you my father got porked out of his retirment except for the fact that my hatred for Clinton is still strong!

Anyway like they all said, the mission of the SF has changed over the years...I joined the Air National Guard, and had a blast with it, but its no where near civilian LE. Had to work the gate with the DoD guys a bit, and drive around the base doing nothing ALOT. Its a great job, great traiing, reat guys, but really not LE....

My father was an AF recruiter for a little while....He told me the only recruiters you could trust were the Air Force and the Marines....I am still a fan of that statement today....

BTW your eye sight won't hurt you, but get ready to wear your BCG's, wear em' proud...I did...lol!

Posted by: Big K

I was SF for 26 years, good career if you have no family or home life !!

Posted by: xxafspxx

I've been in for 8 years now. And I'm stuck in the box (Central Security Control) and playing flight chief! Not really bad but being deployed almost every year since I've joined I love it! But like everyones been saying this job isn't for everyone. Been to some cake sites but also been to some really crappy ones where we lived like the army for months. And our guys have been gone for 6 months. And who ever said 4 months needs to read a little more so they know that we stay longer than most AF personnel. So just look into some other jobs and see what you would really like to do. Hope this gives you a little insight.

Posted by: OPD05

Having seen two different sides, 2 brothers is AFSF, AFOSI is the LE way to go with the Air Force.

Posted by: Q5-TPR

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Originally Posted by xxafspxx

Been to some cake sites but also been to some really crappy ones where we lived like the army for months. And our guys have been gone for 6 months.

Awwwwwwwwww

Posted by: AFCOP

It's people like xxafspxx that make us sound like a bunch of weenies when he says sh!t like "live like the Army"..... is that like the Navy saying we had to live like the "Marines?"......

Posted by: redsox03

Well, the AF does live better than everyone else. Just sayin........

Posted by: wolf9848

The AF sure does have it good, i'm actually thinking of going air national guard. 3-6 month deployments, AF Chicks, live in trailers, what more can you ask for? The only downside is wearing the tiger-stripe patterned uniform.

Posted by: AFCOP

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf9848

The AF sure does have it good, i'm actually thinking of going air national guard. 3-6 month deployments, AF Chicks, live in trailers, what more can you ask for? The only downside is wearing the tiger-stripe patterned uniform.

the grass is always greener on the otherside

i dont know who told you 3-6 month deployments but they lied.... if youre an SP you'll be gone for a minimum of 6 months...until you get in the AOR and they change your orders on you

or youre doing an ILO mission for the Army.....

Posted by: Kem25

I always thought that if the AF did not have the best bases when deployed then people were not doing their job. Unless you are going to a bare base....which is great by the way, then the base has been there for a while and has had a chance to be built up. Security Forces is one of the few career fields in the AF that do longer than the standard AEF rotations so if someone is thinking of joining they should consider that.

Posted by: wolf9848

Do we have any members of the Security Forces unit out of Otis here? I'm looking at possibly joining the unit and have a few questions.

Posted by: sherifflittle

i agree

Posted by: militia_man

wolf0848,

What do you want to know about Otis?

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About MassCops, the home for Massachusetts law enforcement.

The Massachusetts Law Enforcement Network opened in 1998 and is now a part of the New England Police Network The site is a pro-police discussion forum intended for sworn police officers and civilian law enforcement officials as well as those interested in pursuing a career in law enforcement here in Massachusetts.

The goal of The Massachusetts Law Enforcement Network is to provide an informal network of law enforcement officials here in Massachusetts for educational and informational purposes.

The forum covers many topics such as Police Related News Articles, Agency & Profession Discussions, Police Training as well as Law Enforcement Career Information.

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