Originally Posted by Wolfman

This from the same job that orders its officers to look the other way if they come across "alternative lifestyle types" bobbing for lap apples in the woods behind a pickle park.

Originally Posted by pahapoika

big deal , if he got his picture with mayor menio it would have been o.k. , but menio has fucked more people the Ron Jeremy

Originally Posted by npd_323

I fail to see the big deal here

Originally Posted by Delta784

Do you really think it's professional to start posing for pictures with celebrities at the scene of a traffic crash?

Originally Posted by screamineagle

or A member of the bruins?

Originally Posted by kwflatbed

Police Review Trooper's Behavior

BOSTON -- Massachusetts State Police are reviewing the conduct of one of its officers after he had his picture taken at an accident scene with a well-known pornographic movie star.

Originally Posted by Delta784

Do you really think it's professional to start posing for pictures with celebrities at the scene of a traffic crash?

Like I said...not a big deal, but I can see why the brass would be perturbed. It's the same as the time the MBTA motorcycle officer was chasing balls that came over the Green Monster during the Home Run Derby of the 1999 All Star Game. Nothing illegal or unethical, but unprofessional as all hell.

Originally Posted by CampusOfficer

Who the hell would want their picture taken with a member of the Bruins???

Originally Posted by screamineagle

What if it had been with Tom Brady? or A member of the bruins?

Originally Posted by BrickCop

They were both out in public at an accident scene. Is the trooper supposed to ask everyone what they do for a living before he gets within twenty feet of them (in case someone has a camera)?

Originally Posted by Delta784

Am I in Bizzaro World here???

When I was in the academy, I was taught to do the following at traffic crashes;

1) Render aid to the injured.

2) If necessary, establish an altered traffic pattern to divert traffic around the wreckage.

3) Interview witnesses.

4) Conduct the investigation.

5) Oversee removal of the wreckage.

I must have missed the part about posing for pictures with people, celebrities or not. I don't even entertain requests for directions while I'm working a crash, never mind pose for pictures.

When I was on the Mounted Unit, I had my picture taken hundreds of times because that was the job.....public relations. Working a traffic crash? As I said before, not the time or place. Extremely unprofessional.

Let me ask you experienced officers this; you're an FTO at the scene of a crash, and after speaking with the fire department crew for a second you turn around to see your trainee mugging it up for the camera with someone involved in the crash.

Would you really consider that acceptable behavior?

Originally Posted by DPD77

Brass is probably pissed off he didn't have his campaign hat on.

Originally Posted by TPRSERG

I'm not brass, or even close,

Originally Posted by BrickCop

Your point is well taken but I don't think it's a big deal in the grand scheme of things if the trooper took 3 seconds to pose for a picture.

Originally Posted by Delta784

Am I in Bizzaro World here???

When I was in the academy, I was taught to do the following at traffic crashes;

1) Render aid to the injured.

2) If necessary, establish an altered traffic pattern to divert traffic around the wreckage.

3) Interview witnesses.

4) Conduct the investigation.

5) Oversee removal of the wreckage.

I must have missed the part about posing for pictures with people, celebrities or not. I don't even entertain requests for directions while I'm working a crash, never mind pose for pictures.

When I was on the Mounted Unit, I had my picture taken hundreds of times because that was the job.....public relations. Working a traffic crash? As I said before, not the time or place. Extremely unprofessional.

Let me ask you experienced officers this; you're an FTO at the scene of a crash, and after speaking with the fire department crew for a second you turn around to see your trainee mugging it up for the camera with someone involved in the crash.

Would you really consider that acceptable behavior?

Originally Posted by Delta784

However, I always go back the FTO scenario; if you'd be pissed that your trainee did something, then you shouldn't be doing it yourself.

Originally Posted by MM1799

You're not seriously comparing those two, are you?
He didn't stop the bus for a photo. He was working and while talking to the people someone snapped a photo. Big f'n deal. He was just "living" a little. Contray to popular belief, we aren't robots.

To those of you who read the tpr newspaper, the commentary on the SP by Tpr Joyce (p 10) sums up my exact thoughts on this "incident".
I don't normally reference something that not everyone reads, but the article fits perfectly. (Sorry to those who don't get it.)

Originally Posted by SOT

If a tree falls in the woods and hits a porn star, is that the money shot?

Originally Posted by Rock

As many of us are aware, life as a "Trainee/boot" is not the real world. You can't use that as a measuring stick especially if you broke in in D Troop. Lighten up Francis.

Originally Posted by nirtallica

MM, I did read it but I can't seem to understand what he said out of school to receive that kind of discipline?

Originally Posted by Delta784

I'm not a trooper, so I didn't break in at D Troop or any other troop. This may come as a shock, but many other police officers besides state troopers have standards of professionalism. Too bad your home team bias is allowing your judgement of this incident to be clouded.

It was a dumb move, and you know it.

Originally Posted by TPRSERG

that he didn't have his cover on.

Originally Posted by Rock

I still don't think it's the end of the world.

Originally Posted by PBC FL Cop

That is the only unprofessional thing I've observed. WHERE IS YOUR COVER!!!!

Originally Posted by snapbox

Maybe it was a mistake, maybe it wasn't... but who are we to judge? We don't employ him.

Originally Posted by sparky

I wonder if it were a sheriff's department employee how many staties would be on the Sheriff's thread bashing the crap out of him.

Originally Posted by Delta784

As Massachusetts taxpayers, we most certainly do.

Originally Posted by snapbox

and on a stop when the driver tells you that they're your boss because they pays the taxes, is that still your stance?

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Seems like the only place left that's making a big deal out of this is right here.

Originally Posted by Delta784

The user "sparky" asked a very cogent question....what would be the reaction of this website if a deputy sheriff were photographed posing with an adult film star? The condemnation and ridicule would be positively breathtaking for both its volume and viciousness, that's what would happen.

So, why should anyone's reaction be different for a state trooper?

Originally Posted by Delta784

As Massachusetts taxpayers, we most certainly do.

Originally Posted by bbelichick

Now you're just getting ridiculous. You really can play both sides, huh? If some rat you were dealing with gave you the "I pay your salary" line, you would probably rip him out his window.

Originally Posted by MM1799

The LE community (as Wolfman said) would be more concerned as to why he is booking a crash on the big road.

Originally Posted by sparky

Exactly the problem I have with people like you MM. "The public would probably chuckle and get on with their lives because it's the sheriff's department". Why, because your profession is so much more respected. I don't think so. Maybe there should be a mutual respect for those professions because they both provide a valuable service to the public. Believe it or not, Sheriff's department employees are under a microscope just as much as the troopers or locals for that matter. The public doesn't like the salary structure, overtime, details, benefits and mostly our pension. You are no better than us MM.

Originally Posted by sparky

You are no better than us MM.

Originally Posted by MM1799

Actual police officers using the old "I pay your salary" or wondering what it would be like if it was a sheriff? Give me a break.

Originally Posted by MM1799

I've said my peace about the actual action about 3 pages ago. My point is you both say there would be a huge difference in reactions, as if because he is a trooper he is getting a free pass.

Publicly (got that sparky?) This incident, had it been a local or sheriff, would be seen as an officer just taking advantage of a one time moment and a good example of community policing.
Because it was a trooper and the public perception of the SP is not community-oriented or (gasp) "casual and friendly"; it is seen as a trooper getting paid to take pictures and not doing his job.

Originally Posted by MM1799

In the LE circles it would be seen differently.
The reaction to a local would probably be the same. Those in the department would brush it off (right or wrong) and others would call it unprofessional but not a big deal.
Had it been a sheriff, it would be a big deal. Forget the picture -- why is he booking crashes?
Had the deputy taken a picture at a parade or something else, the majority of LEOs could care less. Probably a "wtf?" but I doubt any different from the reaction on this very thread to the trooper. The fact remains since they shouldn't be working accidents, that would be the question not why he took a picture.

Originally Posted by Delta784

The public reaction would be the same, regardless if it was a deputy sheriff, state trooper, municipal officer, campus officer, whatever. The great majority of the public tends to lump as all together, in case you haven't noticed.

Originally Posted by sparky

MM, us is who I represent, a sheriff's department. I work for the essex county sheriff's department. And when you say that people would chuckle and move on because it is ONLY a sheriff's department, you make it seem like being a trooper is more important. It is not, just different. Troopers go on the "sheriff" thread on a regular basis and jump on the trashing band wagon for issues that sheriffs have. I was just asking a question, would it be the same to staties if it were a sheriff's employee. I'm no rookie either MM, and I too have earned respect. The problem is people like you think corrections is a second class job to the high and mighty troopers. My comments are directed at you and those who think like you, not the class act troopers that understand that local departments and corrections deserve the same respect that your department does. Stop the bashing and understand that all agencies are equally valuable.