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Bill adds penalty for illegal gun at home

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Posted by: kwflatbed

August 2, 2007
Councilor at Large Michael F. Flaherty won unanimous support from colleagues yesterday for legislation that would apply the same penalty to illegal firearms found in homes as to those found on the street, according to his office. Boston's gun ordinance provides a minimum sentence of 18 months for anyone arrested with an illegal firearm, but has no minimum penalty for guns found in homes. The legislation will go to Mayor Thomas M. Menino, who has vowed to sign and send the bill to Beacon Hill.


Posted by: Wolfman

How will this affect those who might have family heirlooms locked away but no FID or LTC?


Posted by: resqjyw0

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
How will this affect those who might have family heirlooms locked away but no FID or LTC?
That's exactly what I was thinking. Good thing I don't live in Boston.


Posted by: 94c

how about getting the FID or LTC. If you can't qualify then you shouldn't have the heirloom.


Posted by: Wolfman

If you're a criminal who is legally precluded from possessing a firearm, fine - get busted and rot a while. That aspect is not what I'm arguing.

If you're a WWII vet who spent years in cold muddy battlefields and trenches in France and Italy and all you have to show for it is a bunch of dead friends and a Luger you got from some Kraut who was ging to kill you as well, why should you be treated as a criminal? Just because you would rather eat or buy your prescriptions than drop a hundred-plus bucks for a license to carry a gun you'll never take to the range anyhow?

Odd how you have to pay the state for a license to enjoy your Constitutional rights in the privacy of your own home.


Posted by: dcs2244

Nose in the tent. The marxists cannot create a "workers' paradise" with themselves in charge ('elites', if you will) if the proles have firearms...

They will do this one law at a time.


Posted by: Killjoy

What are you talking about? Boston is the workers paradise! Haven't you seen how well their socialism experiment is working out? Its so good there, they have to extort cops and city workers to stay....can you say Berlin Wall?


Posted by: pahapoika

They will do this one law at a time.

+1


Posted by: frank

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
Just because you would rather eat or buy your prescriptions than drop a hundred-plus bucks for a license to carry a gun you'll never take to the range anyhow?
I thought it was a discounted fee for the old timers; something along the lines of $25...or was that just for the renewals?


Posted by: KozmoKramer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
If you're a criminal who is legally precluded from possessing a firearm, fine - get busted and rot a while. That aspect is not what I'm arguing.

If you're a WWII vet who spent years in cold muddy battlefields and trenches in France and Italy and all you have to show for it is a bunch of dead friends and a Luger you got from some Kraut who was going to kill you as well, why should you be treated as a criminal?
Gotta agree with Wolf on this one.

94C - as God as my witness this is the absolute truth.
My uncle, a WWII Silver Star vet captured (single handedly) a congregation of German Officers. In the process he took a Luger off of one of the officers.
He took the Luger home (complete with leather holster) and it sat in his closet shelf for 50 years until he died and passed it on to his kith.
The only 2 people over the years that ever asked him to bring it out were my dad and I.
He never shot a round since the day of his discharge in 46'.
Should he have been labeled a criminal simply for not applying for a MA LTC while having an heirloom from WWII, with an inch of dust and not a round in sight?
There are few more supportive of law and order than I, but I disagree with this legislation.
It's low hanging fruit, and its not why Boston has a gun violence problem.


Posted by: Delta784

Quote:
Originally Posted by dcs2244
Nose in the tent. The marxists cannot create a "workers' paradise" with themselves in charge ('elites', if you will) if the proles have firearms...

They will do this one law at a time.
The very first thing every dictatorship does is ban private ownership of firearms, then they go after organized religion.

Does your city or town have a nativity scene?

Quote:
Originally Posted by KozmoKramer
My uncle, a WWII Silver Star vet captured (single handedly) a congregation of German Officers. In the process he took a Luger off of one of the officers.
He took the Luger home (complete with leather holster) and it sat in his closet shelf for 50 years until he died and passed it on to his kith.
The only 2 people over the years that ever asked him to bring it out were my dad and I.
He never shot a round since the day of his discharge in 46'.
My father had a WWII vet friend who passed away many years ago. His widow asked my dad to take his gun collection, which consisted of captured German small arms.

Luger - Check

P-38 - Check

Gewehr-98 - Check

Fully-auto Schmeisser submachine gun -

It's now in the possession of the Boston PD or got melted down, which would be a shame.

When I was in Gulf War I (1990-91), we captured shitloads of Iraqi small arms, which we of course turned over to the proper people. We eventually heard a rumor that some of the pogue brass were taking the semi-auto weapons (Makarovs, Dragunovs, SKS carbines, etc.) and secretly shipping them back home in conex boxes.

From that moment forward, we annihilated every semi-auto weapon we captured....we stuck Dragunov barrels into HMMV trailer hitches and jumped on the receiver until the barrel took a 45-degree turn. We stuffed barrels of SKS carbines with C-4 from Claymores, inserted a blasting cap, and made them look like Elmer Fudd's shotgun after he fired it with Bugs Bunny's finger in the barrel. We doused Makarovs with gasoline, set them on fire, then cooled off the charred skeletons in buckets of water liberally doused with MRE salt.

The fact that some brass were positively livid when we dumped off the first load of junk made me think there was some truth to that rumor.


Posted by: 94c

Quote:
Originally Posted by KozmoKramer
Gotta agree with Wolf on this one.

94C - as God as my witness this is the absolute truth.
My uncle, a WWII Silver Star vet captured (single handedly) a congregation of German Officers. In the process he took a Luger off of one of the officers.
He took the Luger home (complete with leather holster) and it sat in his closet shelf for 50 years until he died and passed it on to his kith.
The only 2 people over the years that ever asked him to bring it out were my dad and I.
He never shot a round since the day of his discharge in 46'.
Should he have been labeled a criminal simply for not applying for a MA LTC while having an heirloom from WWII, with an inch of dust and not a round in sight?
There are few more supportive of law and order than I, but I disagree with this legislation.
It's low hanging fruit, and its not why Boston has a gun violence problem.
Maybe I'm missing something here but, doesn't the law already require you to have an FID for a firearm in the home? All this proposes is to up the punishment.

Those that obey the gun laws are covered and those that dont, aren't.

Isn't that what gun laws are for?


Posted by: Wolfman

That's what the core gun laws are for, and they work just fine. All the "new" gun laws (one-gun-a-month, redefinition of "assault weapons") tighten the noose around the lawful gun owner for no other reason than to blow sunshine up the asses of the lemmings, remove people's ability to protect themselves and further the agendas of our elected officials. There is no proof anywhere the strokes of genius like more severe penalties and redefinition and banning of "dangerous assault weapons" have made any impact at all on the crime rates. The politicians who promote these idiotic laws are even more clueless than the people who voted them into office - one needs look no further than restictions on bayonets (we all know how many people are slaughtered every year with bayonets), handguards (if the bad guy's hand gets burned maybe he won't shoot as many people), pistol grips (how can you rail against indisciminate spraying of bullets if there is a device that allows one to shoot accurately) and flash hiders (hint: it's not a silencer and everyone can still see where the shots are coming from).

Need look no further than Carolyn McCarthy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

The threat of an armed victim is a far more effective deterrent against crime than the threat of a longer prison sentence.


Posted by: 94c

I've always been a proponent of stricter punishment. Not new laws.

There are way too many laws on the books as it is.

We all agree that when a politician wants to look good he comes up with another law that is already covered somewhere else. We end up yet with another statute that is cwof'ed, placed on probation, or dismissed.




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