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Posted by: wordstew

I hear that Sheriffs will no longer be allowed into the reserve academy is this true???
Is this for all R/I academies in MA?

Give me the dirt please

Posted by: jackryan

I heard at In-Service a few weeks ago that there was a big "falling out" with the sheriffs dept. and the MCJTC or whatever it is they are calling themselves these days - I was told they are no longer welcome at in-service anymore - so I'm assuming that goes for the R/I Academy also.

"can't we all just get along"

Posted by: mpd61

Correct!

MPTC (Municipal Police Training Council) has BANNED Sheriffs and Campus Police from attending In service and specialized trainings at all sites.

Funny thing is many Campus agencies like U/Mass, BSC, and others are MPOC trained, but now they're cut off at the knees for anything further. I am convinced this is fallout from the MCJTC changing to MPTC, and moving to curtail the Sheriffs from any further "incursions" into traditional police roles. Unfortunately, many other police agencies are suffering because of this policy change.

Posted by: jo

This is nothing more than a waste of time. Deputy Sheriffs and Campus Police can train through their own certified instructors, train with the certified local police instructors, and most of which hold part time status on a local pd and can still attend the MCJTC on their part time police status.

Posted by: masstoazcop

Why doesn't this surpise me, why do people think campus officers are a threat to their jobs or training. Their is enough work/training out their that no one should feel threatened by a campus cop sitting in on an inservice class.

Posted by: pucknut

the mptc is now on the verge of being broke because of the ruling regarding sheriff's. The sheriff's guys (most of whom are FULL TIME c/o's) pay themselves to go to this tranining. They get the details that go unfilled from the local departments. Im told that if the Sheriff's department were not callled, these details would go to the town auxiliaries. Who would you rather have taking that unfilled detail, a FULL TIME law enforcement officer, or the guy who works an occasional detail, does a volunteer parade job once a year, all so he can get a pistol permit in the town he lives in?

So "jo" maybe you think it is a waste of time, but it certainly not a waste of money having deputies. Forgive the rant

Posted by: wordstew

Does anyone know what the official line is about barring Sheriffs from the Academy. Also, is this all R/I academies in MA.

This is gonna open a much bigger can of worms once the Sheriffs, Campus Officers etc. etc. etc... start to train themselves

Short of barring all part-time/reserve/Sheriff/Campus/Aux from working details or on the street the Police unions will always have a gripe.

Posted by: Gil

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Originally Posted by pucknut

the mptc is now on the verge of being broke because of the ruling regarding sheriff's. The sheriff's guys (most of whom are FULL TIME c/o's) pay themselves to go to this tranining. They get the details that go unfilled from the local departments. Im told that if the Sheriff's department were not callled, these details would go to the town auxiliaries. Who would you rather have taking that unfilled detail, a FULL TIME law enforcement officer, or the guy who works an occasional detail, does a volunteer parade job once a year, all so he can get a pistol permit in the town he lives in?

So "jo" maybe you think it is a waste of time, but it certainly not a waste of money having deputies. Forgive the rant

I seriously doubt that if the mptc is going broke it is because the lack of funds generated by the sheriffs putting themselves through this academy. Why knock on the auxiliaries? They too may work in some aspect of law enforcement on a "FULL TIME" basis. But since you asked, I would rather have one of our own auxiliaries working the details. 1 because I know them, I know the process they went through and 2 because they donate their free time and deserve a little kick back now and then to compensate them for the time and money they have already invested!

Posted by: j809

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Im told that if the Sheriff's department were not callled, these details would go to the town auxiliaries

Yeah right, I was an auxiliary and my department would rather have me work in my town then some freaking hack wanna be cop deputy nothing. Auxiliaries go to PT academy and guess what else, they work cruiser shifts in most departments vs. a CO that watches cons all day, no disrespect intended. And as far as the deputy hack sheriffs, I could care less for them. God help one of them if they ever flash me with a badge.

MPTC is doing very well and the academies are full because of self sponsored from Municipal departments. Nice try Fucknut, I mean Phucknut.

Posted by: frapmpd24

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Originally Posted by Gil

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Originally Posted by pucknut

So "jo" maybe you think it is a waste of time, but it certainly not a waste of money having deputies. Forgive the rant

Seeing how the academies wait until there are atleast 40 recruits to hold an academy and make the towns pay tuition for the officers to go, I doubt the MPTC it going broke, I am sure the cover their costs, or else the cost to send an officer will go up. And if there was an issue with the agency, they are funded by the state, I am sure there are means to supliment their budgit...

On the subject of the details...if the town has part-time/reserve, specials or auxillary officers they should have the option for details ahead of outside agencies and Sheriff's Department. Like Gil stated, many specials or auxillary are full-time in law enforcment elsewhere (courts, probation, etc...) or have served many years p/t. Hey, some are even academy trained trying to get experience etc... Departments should watch out for their own guys first.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

j809,

Are all Deputy Sheriff's "some freaking hack wanna be cop deputy nothing"? or just those who are politically appointed? I do not work details through the Sheriff's Department anymore, so I don't really have an interest either way, but the argument is interesting. As a full-time Deputy Sheriff, and a part-time Reserve Police Officer, I wonder if I am qualified to work a detail when I have my dark blue uniform on (police), but unqualified when I have my light blue one on (SD). No matter who I am working for, the training and the experience is the same. I wonder where the difference lies.

On a side note, I walked by our training board today, and there was a posting regarding an upcoming reserve class in Reading, inviting corrections officers to sign up. Who knows? Eh.

Posted by: Foxracingmtnridr

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Originally Posted by Gil

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Originally Posted by pucknut

So "jo" maybe you think it is a waste of time, but it certainly not a waste of money having deputies. Forgive the rant

Just as I was gonna put it!! Thanks Gil!! =D>

Scott

Posted by: mpd61

MPTC going broke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????

AH F*CKING HA HA!!!!!
They are so well funded by state and federal money. Check out their budget before you make statements like that YEESH! And what impact would deputies "paying themselves" have on budget anyway? Come on Pucknut!

Posted by: jo

Pucknut, when I stated "waste of time" I meant attempting to keep campus police and or sheriffs from training is a waste of time. They will be able to obtain training with or without the consent of the MCJTC. As I also stated a majority of campus police and sheriffs are part time police officers and can still attend the MCJTC training on the towns dime. As for J809 your responce to Pucknut was clearly un-called for. I would imagine that this site was not intended for coments such as that. Your post sounded more like you were looking for a fight after school than an intelligent opinion on the issue.

Posted by: Opie

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Originally Posted by Gil

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Originally Posted by pucknut

So "jo" maybe you think it is a waste of time, but it certainly not a waste of money having deputies. Forgive the rant

I'm gonna agree w/ Gil here too!

Being one of those Reserve/Aux. Officers who does work details regularly, I would much rather have another Aux Ofc. than a sheriff. You should see some of these guys walk in the door; I end up babysitting these guys when I'm in charge of a detail. They're a mess!

I know that we have to go through the Res/Int academy, then in-house training before we're even allowed on the streets. Then we must keep the up w/ the same departmental training that the regular ofc's do. You can't say there is a lack of training here. I've also worked w/ the Attleboro Aux in the past, some are more squared away than others, but as a whole they are a reliable bunch.

Sheriffs need to know their role in MA and accept it. Stop trying to take other PO's jobs.

Posted by: wordstew

OK guys,

I was just looking for the inside scoop as to why the Sheriffs are barred. That being said I think we are all dumping on these guys a little too much here. Remember they only get the details when you can't fill them. We all know there a alot of fine well trained officers out there in many different uniforms and all departments without exception have thier share of knuckleheads.

You want to barr them from training then the arguement is that they are not trained enough to be out there..... I don't get the logic behind that.

. Let's face it from what I have heard Chapt 90 is on it's way for most Sheriffs on the street. If they get barred from all POLICE sponsored training they may very well start with in house training and really try and make a presence on the street.

I hope the police unions have enough sense to sit down with them and come to some agreement as to the scope and nature of duties that everyone can live with

Right now LEOs are looking at the Law Enforcement Sheriffs as the red headed step child. But, when it comes down to it family is family.

At the end of the day if agree or not with the politics behind it. I give the Sheriffs all the respect and courtesy as I would any sworn Law Enforcement Officer. We can always have a healthy off duty arguement about the entire issue over a few beers

Posted by: jo

Wordstew, well said. We all have knuckle heads in every job. Many things could be solved with beer and hot wings. As it is tuesady night and our local pub is offering 10 cent wings and 32oz beers I will get started right away.

Posted by: JoninNH

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Originally Posted by jo

Wordstew, well said. We all have knuckle heads in every job. Many things could be solved with beer and hot wings. As it is tuesady night and our local pub is offering 10 cent wings and 32oz beers I will get started right away.

Ten cent wings and 32oz beers... sounds like a plan.

Posted by: 40th MPOC#309

I'm hopping on the Gil bandwagon. God bless the Sheriffs-but let our P/T, P/I and Auxies get in the fray first. Especially the poor pricks that do all the "Volunteer" shifts.......

Posted by: PearlOnyx

As a Sheriff, I would like to see every employee of the particular department which is hirng the detail get offered the job, before it goes out to the Sheriff's Department. Sheriff's should not be offered details, when there are capable employees from that department available.

JoinNH,

Where are you getting 10 cent wings? I'm there!

Posted by: Mortal knight

Quote from Dennis Pinkham, Exc. Diretor ofthe MPTC: " The Mass Chiefs want a training program specifially targeted to municipal Police officers. In the Pass the MCJTC would train every one from Municipal officers to Court Officers. The training that Mun. Officers need are not what CO, SO, Campus cops, or other agencies need for training."
They decided ( Mass Chiefs Assc.) feel that a 800 hour program directed and tailored to Muni-cops would be best in turning out better trained and qualified officers.

That is the story he gave my academy class. It not an attack on any particular agency or organization, but a shift of focus. It is the same philosophy behind allowing sponsered VS. Self-sponsered recruits being accepted. concentrate on muni-cops with jobs

Please don't kill the messenger

Posted by: wordstew

Just like Gil I also support using the local Aux guys first. After all they give alot a free time and service to that particular community and should be on the top of the list behind the full-time officers.

Let us be honest, so long as Police unions exist there will always be huge gripes if anyone other than full-time municipal officers do anything anywhere in MA.

But in all fairness, you can't blame anyone for protecting thier full-time employment.

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by Mortal knight

Quote from Dennis Pinkham, Exc. Diretor ofthe MPTC: " The Mass Chiefs want a training program specifially targeted to municipal Police officers.

Ya, so the past (current) curriculum was actually focused on who?

The training that Mun. Officers need are not what CO, SO, Campus cops, or other agencies need for training."

Ya because Traffic Stops-CH.90/209A/51A/265/266 violations and applications, etc. etc. either dont exist, or are sooooo very different when handled by Campus Cops.

So it's wicked cool that a dozen chiefs can make this decision to cut off other police agencies in their rush to take measures to keep CO's and Deputies within the purvue and scope of corrections.
WHATEVER!

Posted by: reno911_2004

New Hampshire has it figured out. Send everyone to the same training! State, Local, Campus, all trained together. Of course, that would bruise too many egos in this state.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by reno911_2004

New Hampshire has it figured out. Send everyone to the same training! State, Local, Campus, all trained together. Of course, that would bruise too many egos in this state.

Different jobs, all of them. They should have different training. A Trooper does not do what a local does. A Campus PO doesn't do the same either. Why would they all train the same?

Posted by: wordstew

When it comes down to it when the sh&^%t hits the fan you want the best trained officers comming to assist it it does not matter what they wear for a uniform.

But don't think going to a fulltime academy 10 years ago makes the officer better than the guy who went to the R/I academy. We all know you don't need to be a rocket scientist to get through either one of them. It takes smarts to be a good officer.

Experience, ongoing training, Staying in good physical shape, and not being a total lunk head all need to be factored in.

Academies by any means don't make the officer that's just the starting point.

The officer I worry about is not the Statie,Sheriff, Campus PO, Muni, Auux etc. etc. etc... It's the one who never takes the job or training seriously, now he a risk to all of us.

The final note: most guys in uniform would put thier own ass in harms way to protect a fellow officer so keep that in mind we all need to give each other a certain amount of respect no matter what our opinions. Don't make the thin Blue line any thinner.

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Wordstew,

Great point about the blue line, becoming thinner. I read all the comments on here, and even the name calling, and I think "Will this guy appreciate me helping him out when his life is on the line?", and then I give them all a little less weight than before. A lot of the things we all argue about on here are issues that are out of our control, but often they become highly personal, and really shouldn't.

bbelicheck,

While I do understand that we all do different jobs, I think in essence, they are all basically the same. I think the intention of a basic police academy, is to teach just that, basic skills of a police officer. When I think of a guy who starts out as a campus police officer, transfers to a municipal department, and then to the state police, throughout his 20 year carreer, and has to go to three different full-time academies, which essentially teach the same thing, I cringe. There is something to be said for individualized training, but I'm not sure if it is the best solution both time and financial wise.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by PearlOnyx

bbelicheck,

While I do understand that we all do different jobs, I think in essence, they are all basically the same. I think the intention of a basic police academy, is to teach just that, basic skills of a police officer. When I think of a guy who starts out as a campus police officer, transfers to a municipal department, and then to the state police, throughout his 20 year carreer, and has to go to three different full-time academies, which essentially teach the same thing, I cringe. There is something to be said for individualized training, but I'm not sure if it is the best solution both time and financial wise.

Truthfully, they are not the same. Trust me on this. It is well worth the Campus Cops time to attend the MSP Academy if they want to be a Trooper, etc...

It is absolutely not a waste of time.

Posted by: jo

Bbelichick a Trooper out east may be all chapter 90 and motor vehicle accidents, however a Trooper in western mass covers alote of small towns that do not have a full time police department. This would mean less chapter 90 and more investigations, 911, calls for service 209A and more court time. A Deputy Sheriff assigned to the road will often check to see if that local officer in a rural area or at night is all set with a car stop. He may be serving a search warrant, criminal warrant or civil warrant. He may stop that erratic operator or the BOLO that was put out by county dispatch per the request of a local pd. The campus officer has no glass bubble to keep the bad guys out. He too will respond to calls, arrest for those OUI's 209A and other police related matters. He may even back town police on a nearby call. My point is that we all may have a different title but perform similer duties. We should be training together and sticking together.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by jo

A Deputy Sheriff assigned to the road will often check to see if that local officer in a rural area or at night is all set with a car stop. He may be serving a search warrant, criminal warrant or civil warrant. He may stop that erratic operator or the BOLO that was put out by county dispatch per the request of a local pd.

I've never seen that in almost 10 years.

Posted by: HousingCop

Oh, please forgive all us yokels who haven't attended YOUR academy bbelichick. As well know here in Mass, a murder is a murder, no matter where, when or how it occured. It's still the same basic elements, if being investigated by a local cop or a CPAC or a Homicide Unit.

As Reno_911 stated, New Hampshire has it right. You also have a valid point since all LE jobs require a different perspective and different prioritization of specialized training. There is no need for a campus cop to do 40+ hours in an academy for accident reconstruction.

If the state was really on the level with training, all academies would be a certain length with the same broad based curriculum and then after graduation, you attend a certain number of weeks for specialized training in your field of occupation. While some would go straight to the street with the basic training recieved, others would stay in the classroom for specialized training and then graduate.

But as Reno_911 stated, too many ego's in the state and in here especially.

Posted by: rreno11

I have a few things to say.

A few of us out there were once CO's, AUX's and/or RES.'s. have some respect for all of us in the LE world. We deal with dirt bags everyday weather we're on the street or in the cell block. The fact of the matter is, no matter what your title you are still working in the LE field and when your getting a beat down on the side of the road who is going to stop and help you? exactly The deputies, CO's and RES's. The ones who know what its like to be out there in the real sh*%. Remember this, about 30% of the part time police officers in MA are full time CO's or DEP's.

Posted by: mpd61

Hey!

Housing touched on a valid point. Agencies could attend a basic course and then attend agency-specific training and FTO time later. Guess what? The feds do it at FLETC Glynco, GA. There is a basic 13 week course after which agents go off to more focused training as part II. Even the GS-083 Police have a similar set up. The VA and some DOD are autonomous, but it seems to work.

bblechick.......You would probably get the "Troopers best, F*ck the rest" Award hands down! Unfortunately jo's comment about "deputy sheriff assigned to the road" left that opening for you to exploit. Jeezus! some people won't drop that piece of rancid meat.

Merry F*cking Christmas Y'all

Posted by: BigDog15

Posted by: Otto

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Originally Posted by bbelichick

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Originally Posted by jo

I've never seen that in almost 10 years.

Many nitwits come to visit at the jail who have warrants. We arrest them. Many nitwits try to smuggle contraband in. We arrest them. Often times they default. We arrest them again.

We often learn of criminal activity in the community by monitoring inmate phone calls, mail, etc... We hook up with the local PD and often work it with them. It is called co-operation.

We often go on "deadbeat dad" sweeps and arrest 10-15 in a night. Most have criminal records, many have been in and out of jail, some have outstanding criminal warrants also.

Our external perimeter security patrol often backs up local officers. We are actually friendly toward each other.

Maybe you haven't seen it, but it happens.

Posted by: Otto

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Originally Posted by bbelichick

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Originally Posted by PearlOnyx

Truthfully, they are not the same. Trust me on this. It is well worth the Campus Cops time to attend the MSP Academy if they want to be a Trooper, etc...

It is absolutely not a waste of time.

I think the point Pearl was trying to make is that much of what is being taught was already learned in the other academy. That is what wastes time and money. I don't think he means the academy itself is a waste of time. It would be more efficient to just teach what hasn't already been learned.

Posted by: bbelichick

I wasn't referring to Deputy Sweeps, etc...

I was talking about being backed up by a Sheriff. Never happened.

Posted by: jo

Bbelichick I work for a Sheriffs Office and I am assigned to the road. Mostly serve criminal warrants for probation violations. Our county is small and most state, epo, railroad, local and sheriffs officers know each other well and are friends outside the job. We even drink, now get this, beer together. We may even be seen at some of the same parties talking to each other. I graduated from the 18th mpoc in agawam around 1992 and yes, I even have that dirty word "chapter 90". Now I will expect someone to highlight that and get off on a tear, so I'll say it again, chapter 90 boo

ha ha ha chapter 90 boo

got ya again. Now why would I not stop to make sure my fellow officer is all set? I would deserve nothing less than an ass beating if I just drove by and later found out that the officer I ignored got hurt or even worse shot.

Posted by: tellyour

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Originally Posted by jo

As it is tuesady night and our local pub is offering 10 cent wings and 32oz beers I will get started right away.

Hey jo, where exactly are these 10 cent wings and 32ozs??

Posted by: jo

Charlies in Amherst. Next to the amherst pub. Starts a 2100 . Tuesday was always a big cop night, however it has started to slow down over the years. In speaking with the owner he was talking about sending out flyers to local departments in an attempt to get things rolling again.

Posted by: dcs2244

I remember back in my "salad days", a dozen wings and a pitcher of Genny Cream or Beer for $3 american at Esthers in Rochester, NY (the 0800-1000 hours "happy hour"...after that it was off to O'Dell's, down the street and across the Ridge for the $0.25 dogs and $2 pitchers, 1000-1600 hours!). The wings looked like they came off a turkey. Your choice of flavors: plain, mild, hot, and catatonic! Extra sauce was available in a "crockpot" with a "skull-and-cross-bones" icon!

Not to mention the "Esther-burgers", arguably the best burgers in Ro-cha-cha at the time!

Remember, "Buffalo Wings" are never breaded, and the sauce is made with "Frank's Redhot". Anything else is artifice! Accept no imitations!

Posted by: jo

Yup, went from Give Me The Dirt Please (reserve academy) to this. Got to love it.

Posted by: bbelichick

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Originally Posted by jo

Charlies in Amherst. Next to the amherst pub. Starts a 2100 . Tuesday was always a big cop night, however it has started to slow down over the years. In speaking with the owner he was talking about sending out flyers to local departments in an attempt to get things rolling again.

Charlie's was fun back in the day.

Posted by: jo

I just called Charlies. DJ will be in after 2030. They have been talking about a reunion now for a while. 10 cent wings, 32oz beers, a good after hours

, followed by a half bottle of advil and a sick day. Ah the good old days.

Posted by: tellyour

I knew it had to be Charlie's! Great place. You should try their "Tower of Power" \

Posted by: JoninNH

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Originally Posted by tellyour

I knew it had to be Charlie's! Great place. You should try their "Tower of Power" \

For those of us who've not yet had the pleasure... what is the "Tower of Power"?

Posted by: tellyour

The "Tower of Power" is basically a self service tap. I forget how many ounces it holds but it's a lot. I have seen a place in Boston that has a similar drinking device. It's great because you don't have to order as many drinks from bartender.

Posted by: JoninNH

Alright! Where is this place?

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Bellicheck,

Someone clarified it for me, but I want to put it out there myself. I am not saying that the academies or the jobs are exactly the same, but the basics are the same. I think something similar to the federal system of a standard basic academy, and then a specialized training to follow up would be more reasonable.
As far as a Deputy backing up, or at least checking up on a Trooper, or other Officer, It's not common but it does happen. My good friend happened to pass by a Trooper on Route 1 last year, who was by himself with two suspects on the side of the road at gun point, after a brief chase and guardrail crash. No backup was in visiable or audible range at the time he stopped to assist. Just because you have never seen it happen, doesn't mean it doesn't. I've never seen a volcano erupt, but I'm sure they do. When I was traveling regularly in a marked vehicle (assigned to hospital details), I always made a point to at least look to ensure that an officer out on a stop was safe. This is common courtesy, not matter who you work for. I'd accept backup from a Deputy Shellfish Warden if I needed it, and I hope you would too.

Posted by: PhilipD

It is true that Sherrifs, Campus PO's, Muni-PO's, SPO's, and other LE agencies don't all do the same job per se.

However, many of the same laws, procedues, etc apply to all of us.

A potentially good way of solving this is creating a state-wide BASIC police academy for ALL LE officers (new troopers included).
This policy acdemy would cover the acadmic topics mostly, that pertain to ALL LEO's.
This would create a baseline, and a common ground that we could all share with eachother. From that point, specialty academys with their own training requirements that focus on their particular specialty, i.e. one for campus PO's, one for muni PO's, Sherrif deputies, CO's, ProbationOfficers, etc

The benifit to this is all new LEO would have the same law and academic foundation, and wouldn't have to go thru a complete new academy to switch specialties (i.e. campus to muni)... but rather only go thru a partial police academy to cover topics that are relatated to their job.

Also this would reduce training expenses for towns, agencies, etc. with regards to cross-training personel.

Posted by: tellyour

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Originally Posted by JoninNH";p=&quot

Alright! Where is this place?

Right in downtown Amherst on North Pleasant St.

Posted by: 660

All you untrained Town Cops really kill me. The Deputy's at the WCSO are more trained then you so called Cops, that wait for alarm calls all night long and write citation for stop sign violations... The Deputy's are sent to training all over the Country, The buget at the SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS 35 MILLION AND your little department have budgets of 100,00.

Posted by: soxrock75

OUCH!!!

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by 660";p=&quot

All you untrained Town Cops really kill me. The Deputy's at the WCSO are more trained then you so called Cops, that wait for alarm calls all night long and write citation for stop sign violations... The Deputy's are sent to training all over the Country, The buget at the SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS 35 MILLION AND your little department have budgets of 100,00.

Ahhhh.......

maybe remedial math should be in the WCSO training budget. what is 100,00??????? Nice try at inciting a little flame, though all that shows is a little bit of unignitable flatulence

Posted by: 660

How much does a Deputy Chief from Brockton/Canton make ? I bet only around 32,000!!! You should probably get off the computer, and start working some details to make a real living or may be you can get at the Sheriff's Dept.

Posted by: reno911_2004

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Originally Posted by 660";p=&quot

How much does a Deputy Chief from Brockton/Canton make ? I bet only around 32,000!!! You should probably get off the computer, and start working some details to make a real living or may be you can get at the Sheriff's Dept.

May be he can get what at the Sheriff's Dept.? What the hell are you talking about?

Posted by: mpd61

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Hee Hee, Ho ho,

As a patrolman I make $31K Base salary. I do work details in Brockton, East Bridgewater, Abington and other towns. Why in the heck would I want to "get at" the Sheriff's Dept.? Should I drive down to Plymouth and heckle Joe McDonaugh as he leaves office? Just what point(s) are you trying to make?

Posted by: 660

I was just wondering! When I was working at the Sheriff's Office. I was making 35k & about 20K in details. Does your Town have the Quinn bill?

Posted by: mpd61

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Originally Posted by 660";p=&quot

I was just wondering! When I was working at the Sheriff's Office. I was making 35k & about 20K in details. Does your Town have the Quinn bill?

Oh now just cut it out............You know I don't work for no stinkin town. speakin of stinkin, heres the latest look at you!

Posted by: PearlOnyx

Hey Crew,

The original topic was about the Reserve Academy shutting out campus police and sheriff's. We're now talking about wings and having a little personal battle, and posting a picture of "god" knows what. It's fairly obvious that this topic has run it's course. This topic is closed.

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The Massachusetts Law Enforcement Network and The New England Police Network (NEPN) and it's network sites are privately owned websites/domains and are not affiliated with or endorsed by any government association or agency.

MassCops (masscops.com) and (masscop.com) are privately owned are not affiliated with or endorsed by the Massachusetts Coalition of Police (masscop.org)

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